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Boxerglocker
09-16-2012, 09:09
Yesterday afternoon after shooting our monthly IDPA match and running back and forth to grab some lunch. Nice sunny, warm for the time of year at 79* and gentle calm breezre to keep you comfortably cool.
I returned to the rifle range to get my new to me Nightforce NXS 8-32 scope dialed in after only being able to do a quick and dirty parallax / focus adjustment and zero a few days before.
I needed to slightly adjust the mounting getting just the right eye relief and remove a couple shims from underneath my Triad cheek pad to completely eliminate any ghosting.
http://images5a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp635%3A7%3Enu%3D68%3C5%3E%3A47%3E254%3EWSNRCG%3D3465429%3A34345nu0mrj

Well as you see the results speak for themselves. I beat my previous personal best and broke the .3 MOA mark at .281. Load is 24.8g H-335, Nosler 55g Ballistic tip at 2.220 OAL, Remington twice fired brass 0.02 neck tension, Federal Match SRP
http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp734%3A3%3Enu%3D68%3C5%3E%3A47%3E254%3EWSNRCG%3D3465429%3A35345nu0mrj
Point of aim was the lower left corner of the adjacent red box. I did readjust my elevation turret one click (1/4 MOA) to the right in order to re-zero the dials out at the end of the day.

shotgunred
09-16-2012, 09:44
Looks like you are ready for a trip to Yakima to bust some groundhogs.

Zombie Steve
09-16-2012, 09:56
Very cool.

What's that soup can hanging off your bolt?

:dunno:

Boxerglocker
09-16-2012, 10:11
Very cool.

What's that soup can hanging off your bolt?

:dunno:


KRG Bolt Lift

http://www.kineticresearchgroup.com/products/boltlift.php

http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=38529

F106 Fan
09-16-2012, 12:14
Very nice shooting!

I'm in the market for a high end scope. Maybe I'll take another look at the Nightforce. There are certainly a lot of shooters using them.

Richard

Boxerglocker
09-16-2012, 12:47
Very nice shooting!

I'm in the market for a high end scope. Maybe I'll take another look at the Nightforce. There are certainly a lot of shooters using them.

Richard

I got a smoking, could not refuse deal on this one for $1k. It's 2 years old with no zero stop and just standard turrets, not the rapid adjust. It sports their NP-R2 reticle, 2 MOA elevation hash marks and 5 MOA windage.

Great scope, extremely clear and gathers lots of ambient light, the illuminated reticle isn't even required until it's absolutely dark outside. At 200 yards and 32 power the target is right in your face, too much in fact. I have to back off to 20x or less at 100 yards which is what shot this group at.

PCJim
09-16-2012, 13:18
Nice groupings!

itstime
09-16-2012, 13:50
Someday I'll say I can do that. Ha.

F106 Fan
09-16-2012, 14:21
I got a smoking, could not refuse deal on this one for $1k. It's 2 years old with no zero stop and just standard turrets, not the rapid adjust. It sports their NP-R2 reticle, 2 MOA elevation hash marks and 5 MOA windage.

Great scope, extremely clear and gathers lots of ambient light, the illuminated reticle isn't even required until it's absolutely dark outside. At 200 yards and 32 power the target is right in your face, too much in fact. I have to back off to 20x or less at 100 yards which is what shot this group at.


I have been vacillating about scope power. I have been thinking about a fixed 10x but I really want to shoot bullseye out to, say, 300 yards. I'm ok with shooting silhouette out at 500m with 10x - that makes sense. The target is huge!

The new scope will be to replace the Swarovski (Kahles) 6x fixed BDC scope that came with my SSG (.308). It's a great scope but those 1-1/2" red dots are a bit small.

I'm considering the Nightforce 3.5-15x56 (because the 56 is in stock and the 50 isn't - at Midway) with the MLR reticle and 1/10 mil turrets. I don't want to get into the mixed mil reticle and MOA turrets and I want very much to be able to use the scope for ranging at any power so I am looking at the F1 (first focal plane) model.

It's about twice what you paid for yours!

Maybe next month... Unless I buy that Savage BA-110 .338 Lapua first! Then I will definitely want more than 15x...

Richard

Fwdftw
09-17-2012, 11:28
Everytime i post a thread about scopes and .223 i get flamed for high magnification. Everyone says 14 is to much.. So i commend you! lol Bad ass NF and bad ass Rifle Boxer!

Don H
09-17-2012, 12:00
Very cool.

What's that soup can hanging off your bolt?

:dunno:

:rofl:

Boxerglocker
09-17-2012, 14:04
Everytime i post a thread about scopes and .223 i get flamed for high magnification. Everyone says 14 is to much.. So i commend you! lol Bad ass NF and bad ass Rifle Boxer!

It just depends on the application. Remember this is a precision rifle. I want to be able to shoot bug holes and the downside is at 100 yards and set at 20X my FOV is about 10 inches. I intend to shoot this thing out to 600 yards, 800 once I go with a new barrel and .223 AI chamber. I'll need the magnification for sure at those distances. Right now once my dope is set out to 300 clays are easy to bust off the berm. This rifle will do inside 1 inch without trying out to 300 yards.

A fighting rifle like a AR, I would rarely shoot beyond 200 and even at that distance my objective is head shots at a IDPA target at best and usually just ring 6 inch steel plates out to 300.

norton
09-17-2012, 14:29
Yesterday afternoon after shooting our monthly IDPA match and running back and forth to grab some lunch. Nice sunny, warm for the time of year at 79* and gentle calm breezre to keep you comfortably cool.
I returned to the rifle range to get my new to me Nightforce NXS 8-32 scope dialed in after only being able to do a quick and dirty parallax / focus adjustment and zero a few days before.
I needed to slightly adjust the mounting getting just the right eye relief and remove a couple shims from underneath my Triad cheek pad to completely eliminate any ghosting.
http://images5a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp635%3A7%3Enu%3D68%3C5%3E%3A47%3E254%3EWSNRCG%3D3465429%3A34345nu0mrj

Well as you see the results speak for themselves. I beat my previous personal best and broke the .3 MOA mark at .281. Load is 24.8g H-335, Nosler 55g Ballistic tip at 2.220 OAL, Remington twice fired brass 0.02 neck tension, Federal Match SRP
http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp734%3A3%3Enu%3D68%3C5%3E%3A47%3E254%3EWSNRCG%3D3465429%3A35345nu0mrj
Point of aim was the lower left corner of the adjacent red box. I did readjust my elevation turret one click (1/4 MOA) to the right in order to re-zero the dials out at the end of the day.

If Jack were here he would suggest you made those holes with a pencil. Or a very personal appendage.

j/k. Nice shooting

shotgunred
09-17-2012, 21:56
Everytime i post a thread about scopes and .223 i get flamed for high magnification. Everyone says 14 is to much.. So i commend you! lol Bad ass NF and bad ass Rifle Boxer!

A lot of people can't use high magnification. At 12x I can watch my heart beat move the gun. As my eyes suck I like big scopes.

F106 Fan
09-17-2012, 22:02
^^^^ Exactly!

I have a Leupold 40x Benchrest Scope that I can use to see the grain in the paper at 100 yards.

But at 300 yards, the scope is useless after about 9:00 AM when the mirage picks up. It is sometimes hard to even see the backboard. I'm hoping that 15x will be adequate for precision shooting at 300 yards.

The nice thing about the high magnification is that it is there when you need it. The unfortunate part is that the low end is usually more than about 3 or so which might be a good magnification to use for close-in shooting. Better field of view...

Richard

wallacefan
09-17-2012, 22:41
off topic

what is a good 3x-12x or above for ar-15

around 200 dollars?

Boxerglocker
09-17-2012, 23:11
off topic

what is a good 3x-12x or above for ar-15

around 200 dollars?

The minimum I would shell out for in a variable 3-9X42mm is a SWFA SS about $500, for $300 for you could go with a fixed 10X42mm SWFA SS

http://swfa-ss.com/index.htm

wallacefan
09-17-2012, 23:16
even just for target 100 to 200 yards?

Boxerglocker
09-17-2012, 23:29
A lot of people can't use high magnification. At 12x I can watch my heart beat move the gun. As my eyes suck I like big scopes.

That group was shot at 20 power. I agree you really have to focus at high magnification relieve as much tension off the rifle as possible.
I always use a rear bag (squeezing to adjust elevation) to keep my pulse of the gun. I do not grip my fingers around the rifle stock grip just place my finger tips against the front pulling the stock butt into the pocket of my shoulder and keep my thumb on the right side of the grip, loading the bipod forward. By using this technique I found you don't even have to time your breathing and can just shoot more naturally.
I hate to sound like a fanboy, but I learned this and lots more from the teachings of Todd Hodnet in the Magpul Dynamics precision rifle DVD in addition to the Sniperhide.com training series.
Right now I'm all self taught but using the principles I learned there obviously it's working. I'm signed up to take a couple classes next year. This precision stuff has me hooked :supergrin:

Boxerglocker
09-17-2012, 23:33
even just for target 100 to 200 yards?

It's all about clarity of the glass, at the price range your looking at you might as well save another $100 and go with a fixed 10x42mm SS. Good glass for the money, MOA or MIL adjustments. For a range gun at the magnification range fixed is the better in my opinion, you already know you distances.

The 10x42mm SWFA SS was the scope I first started with on my gun. I'll be hanging onto it and getting a QD scope mount to run on my AR-15.

wallacefan
09-17-2012, 23:49
i might shoot less than 100 or 200 depending on the range 10x might be a bit much

any other suggestions?

Boxerglocker
09-18-2012, 00:50
i might shoot less than 100 or 200 depending on the range 10x might be a bit much

any other suggestions?

None in a variable 3-9 range that I would personally recommend. You could go 1-4 but that bumps you up budget wise yet again. I have a Vortex 1-4 PST on one or my ARs. Then there is always the red dot option. All depends on what you want to achieve.

Fwdftw
09-18-2012, 07:23
It's all about clarity of the glass, at the price range your looking at you might as well save another $100 and go with a fixed 10x42mm SS. Good glass for the money, MOA or MIL adjustments. For a range gun at the magnification range fixed is the better in my opinion, you already know you distances.

The 10x42mm SWFA SS was the scope I first started with on my gun. I'll be hanging onto it and getting a QD scope mount to run on my AR-15.

Imho best one for the money

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F106 Fan
09-18-2012, 08:17
even just for target 100 to 200 yards?

It really depends on what you want to achieve. There are certainly scopes in the low cost range that will let you shoot to 200 yards but what you see in the scope will not be as bright and clear as what you will see in a high dollar scope.

Something in the area of 10x (say 3-9x) will be prefectly adequate to shoot out to several hundred yards as long as the target is fairly large. I have shot 5 gallon paint cans at 800 yards with a 3-9 scope of dubious heritage. I don't have that particular scope any longer but it had some kind of reference ticks on the Y axis that were NOT related to mils but could still be used for holdover. It turns out that the lowest line was just about perfect at 800 yards. But it was just luck...

For load development where I am trying to shoot little bitty groups, the scope may not be able to resolve the tiny target and there's no way to shoot better than I can see. Target design may also be a factor. There are some "sight in" targets that have X and Y axis lines to help align the scope. They may be much better than a simple 1-1/2" orange dot.

Better scopes will have better glass. The objective lens will be larger to allow more light. There will be a parallax adjustment (preferably turret mounted versus objective ring). The turrets will be very precise and repeatable. The reticle may have some kind of ranging capability (Mil Dot or other). There might be reticle illumination for use a dawn or dusk.

You will notice that low end scopes and hunting scopes don't have a parallax adjustment. What difference does a couple of inches of parallax make on a practical sized target? Not much!

However, for load development, all of a sudden the parallax issue becomes a larger determinant of bullet spread than the load variations. There's no way to judge ammo loads when the scope moves all around the target when you move the position of your eye.

Scopes are like a lot of things. You won't get more than you pay for. There's a reason that Schmidt and Bender can charge a fortune for their scopes. Somewhat more reasonable are Nightforce and Vortex. Leupold Mark 4 LR/T scopes are fairly pricey but nothing like S&B!

Here's a scope the US Army is using:
http://www.snipercentral.com/mk4brown.htm

Richard