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PurpleAngel
09-16-2012, 12:17
Of the three calibers (9mm, .40, .45), which holds the best accuracy for distance?

tcruse
09-16-2012, 12:24
My initial response would be 9, since you could use a light fast bullet. However, I think that the particular ammo and gun would have a much greater effect than caliber.

cowboy1964
09-16-2012, 12:55
What kind of distance? 50 yards, 100, 200?

TattooedGlock
09-16-2012, 13:25
You can shoot any of them at distance once you know where a particular ammo will hit with your particular setup. Might not have any power, but are we talking about targets or people?

fastbolt
09-16-2012, 13:29
I don't shoot my handguns any farther than 100 yards nowadays (range limitation), and most of the time I don't go out much past 50 yards when I simply want to assess skillset basics (grip, sight picture/alignment, trigger control).

All of my 9's, .40's & .45's seem capable of demonstrating similar practical accuracy at those distances, using assorted ammunition & bullet weights.

Some folks might experience a preference for the recoil characteristics & felt recoil when shooting one or another of the pistol calibers, though. Just depends.

Back when I did more distance shooting with handguns, meaning 200+ yards and further, I preferred to use .44 Magnum or .41 Magnum.

PurpleAngel
09-16-2012, 14:31
What kind of distance? 50 yards, 100, 200?
I guess which bullet would drop the least over a maximum possible range. But as I have no idea on what is a maximum effect range for pistol ammo, not sure what distance to state.

PurpleAngel
09-16-2012, 14:40
You can shoot any of them at distance once you know where a particular ammo will hit with your particular setup. Might not have any power, but are we talking about targets or people?.
I guess more of a military situation, so people not targets. I did not say in my thread starter because talking about "shoot people from a distance" might give the wrong impression on why I'm asking in the first place.

cowboy1964
09-16-2012, 16:49
Personally I think they're all relatively the same, accuracy wise. Of course the slower bullets will drop faster but that can be compensated for, it's just a little tougher.

bac1023
09-16-2012, 16:52
I guess which bullet would drop the least over a maximum possible range. But as I have no idea on what is a maximum effect range for pistol ammo, not sure what distance to state.

Out of those, I would say 115 grain 9mm will shoot the flattest.

Tiro Fijo
09-16-2012, 17:19
With a defensive handgun, and a competent shooter at the helm, the two factors that come into play at longer distances are the quality of the ammo in usage and good sights. Unfortunately, most people don't have match grade sights on a defensive handgun.

Of course, once we factor in the other guy shooting at you this all goes out the window. :supergrin:

RWBlue
09-16-2012, 17:30
I don't think accuracy is going to be the biggest issues in getting hits, drop is.

avenues165
09-16-2012, 19:49
How much would moving through the transsonic range affect pistol accuracy? Seems like subsonic ammo or ammo that stays supersonic to the target might have better accuracy. I am probably overthinking the question.

I shoot all the different pistol cartridges equally poorly, so I know for me ammo moving through the transsonic range won't make a difference.

PaulMason
09-16-2012, 19:55
Personally I think they're all relatively the same, accuracy wise. Of course the slower bullets will drop faster but that can be compensated for, it's just a little tougher.

This.

Don't forget the people killed or injured by falling bullets.

SPIN2010
09-16-2012, 19:56
Glock 23 At 230 Yards - YouTube

230 yards with a G23 ... the man himself. :supergrin:

janice6
09-16-2012, 19:57
"Ed McGiven's book FAST AND FACY REVOLVER SHOOTING.

There is a section where they were shooting a 357 at 600 yards on a police Sil type target. They have pictures of guys hitting 39 out of 75 rounds. We're talking iron sights."

RWBlue
09-16-2012, 20:56
How much would moving through the transsonic range affect pistol accuracy? Seems like subsonic ammo or ammo that stays supersonic to the target might have better accuracy. I am probably overthinking the question.

I shoot all the different pistol cartridges equally poorly, so I know for me ammo moving through the transsonic range won't make a difference.

If we were talking pistol cartridge in a precision rifle...(Tc Encore bull barrel), then maybe it would make a difference.

But the biggest accuracy issues with all my pistols is me.

Clutch Cargo
09-16-2012, 20:59
A +P+ 9mm would seem the logical load to shoot flattest.

NEOH212
09-16-2012, 22:34
I'm no bullseye shooter but I haven't seen any practical difference in accuracy with any handgun caliber at long distances. For me, they all group with about the same shotgun pattern on the body at 200 yards!

They don't have a nice tight group but are all tactically effective hits.

The only difference is where I have to hold to hit a man size target at that distance.

Now if we were talking about putting these three calibers in a Ransom rest or in the hands of a competent match shooter at those distances, we may see a difference.

Otherwise......

NEOH212
09-16-2012, 22:36
Of course, once we factor in the other guy shooting at you this all goes out the window. :supergrin:

For sure! :supergrin:

fredj338
09-17-2012, 00:08
If you are talking slinging lead from a service pistol, they are all pretty much the same, the gun will matter more. The 357sig runnign hard will have an edge in drop past 50yds, but they are all dropping pretty fast past 100yds. Drop can be figured, your ability to hold for shots beyond 100yds is far more important. It's not that hard to get hits on a man sized target w/ even a "slow" 45acp out to 100yds.

Chuck54
09-17-2012, 07:25
For head shots under 500 yards I think they are all about the same.

Short Cut
09-17-2012, 08:00
Out of those, I would say 115 grain 9mm will shoot the flattest.

I concur.

Another flat shooter you didn't mention is 10MM. Even the 200 grain XTP from DoubleTap only drops 8" at 100 yards and has more power at 100 yards than the typical .45 has at the muzzle. A 165 grain hot 10MM is dropping 6".

9mmdude
09-18-2012, 11:40
Underwood 135 .40 out of a Glock 35 is a kick at one hundred yards on steel.

PurpleAngel
09-18-2012, 18:35
Would using a 12" barrel make a difference (9,.40,.45) for distance?

RWBlue
09-18-2012, 19:36
Would using a 12" barrel make a difference (9,.40,.45) for distance?

What powder and can we push the pressure limits?

If I can push the pressure limits to the extreme...

avenues165
09-18-2012, 21:46
If you are talking slinging lead from a service pistol, they are all pretty much the same, the gun will matter more. The 357sig runnign hard will have an edge in drop past 50yds, but they are all dropping pretty fast past 100yds. Drop can be figured, your ability to hold for shots beyond 100yds is far more important. It's not that hard to get hits on a man sized target w/ even a "slow" 45acp out to 100yds.

I can get hits at 100 yards on a man sized target. I enjoy taking my G24 out beyond 50 yards now and then. I did it during one range session with a .380 from a 3.5" barrel and a 357 sig from a 6" barrel, difference in arrival time of bullet to target between the two cartridges is noticeable. Took me a while to get a hit with the .380, think it was luck more than anything. With the G24 shooting 357 sig I hold at the center of the target and get regular hits (~2 out of 3, not the best, but I am getting better).

barth
09-18-2012, 22:00
Of the three calibers (9mm, .40, .45), which holds the best accuracy for distance?

I have all three and would choose option four - 357 Sig.

Wolf Spyder
09-21-2012, 13:58
I use to have a bullet drop chart that covered most of the most common cartridges using a 25 yard zero. I don't know where it is at the monent.

For what it is worth, I am getting about 3 to 3.5 inches of drop out of my Glock 20 with full power 10mm ammunition at 100 yards.

Larry Vickers has done drills with a 10mm Glock 20 where he starts at 50 yards walks back to 100, 150, 200 and so on. He makes hits on steel out to 250 yards. Of course I saw a video where he bends over at the waist and shoots between his legs and hits steel at 100 yards. So I guess even though the 10mm will get out that far you need to have the skill to make it happen.


Here is the video;
10mm Human sized target 250 Meters - YouTube

SCmasterblaster
09-22-2012, 15:07
A +P+ 9mm would seem the logical load to shoot flattest.

That is one of the reasons that I carry WW 9mm 115gr JHP +p+ loads. They start out at 1400 FPS out of my G17. :shocked:

SDDL-UP
09-23-2012, 14:37
First off let me state it's not a "bad thing" to be able to hit a man sized target at 100+ yards with a handgun, but let's be honest - you're using the wrong tool for the job at that point.

I understand you may not always have the right tool, but the effective range of a handgun is sooooo far down the list of things to worry about.....

fredj338
09-23-2012, 17:41
I'm no bullseye shooter but I haven't seen any practical difference in accuracy with any handgun caliber at long distances. For me, they all group with about the same shotgun pattern on the body at 200 yards!

They don't have a nice tight group but are all tactically effective hits.

The only difference is where I have to hold to hit a man size target at that distance.

Now if we were talking about putting these three calibers in a Ransom rest or in the hands of a competent match shooter at those distances, we may see a difference.

Otherwise......

Well a good shooter w/ a 6"-8" bbl 44mag can do some impressive shooting out to 220yds & beyond. We used to shoot the chicken target for shoot offs in met sil, open sights. Effective hit area is less than 8".:dunno:

SCmasterblaster
09-27-2012, 18:21
Even though I have a very hot load in my G17, I still don't trust it past 50 or so yards.