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alecat88
09-18-2012, 20:48
I was looking at a Dan Wesson 1911 tonight so anyone out there have any experience with them? Are they worth it? Quality good? Right now i have a few Kimbers, colts , springfields.

glock2740
09-18-2012, 20:51
Great guns. :thumbsup:

bac1023
09-18-2012, 20:52
I think they're very good 1911s.

That said, I'd sooner buy a Les Baer for the price of some of them.

jfost11
09-18-2012, 21:02
My father-in-law has had a bobtail for quite some time. It's a great gun. He has a couple of Kimbers and prefers the DW to both.

Tallahassee
09-18-2012, 21:08
I think they're very good 1911s.

That said, I'd sooner buy a Les Baer for the price of some of them.

I agree. I just picked up a used CBOB for a good price, and it looks like it's been shot very little. I don't think I'd get a new Dan Wesson right now, though. The new Valors around me are +/- $1600 and that's close enough to push me towards a Premier II.

I haven't shot my CBOB yet, but it is the first 1911 I've had that requires a bushing wrench. It's built very tight. The only thing I'm not wild about is that there are visible tool marks on the barrel bushing.

I guess my comments boil down to, if you can find a good used Dan Wesson for a good price, go for it. A new one? They are still great guns, but I think there are better options for only a little more money (if that even).

bac1023
09-18-2012, 21:20
I'm not real big on the new DW pricing.

Bow Commander
09-18-2012, 23:52
It seems like years ago, pre-CZ, CBOBs could be easily found in the $900 range. They sure are beautiful pistols IMO.

Rinspeed
09-19-2012, 07:44
I think they're very good 1911s.

That said, I'd sooner buy a Les Baer for the price of some of them.





Dan Wessons are better than Les Baers these days. I know I read it on the errornet.

bac1023
09-19-2012, 07:45
Dan Wessons are better than Les Baers these days. I know I read it on the errornet.

:animlol:

CigarandScotch
09-19-2012, 07:49
The one I got to shoot recently was a Heritage. I fell in love with it immediately; felt better than any 1911 I have ever used, although I have only fired about a half dozen or so. At 10 yards I made a one inch hole without really trying.

DRJ1911
09-19-2012, 08:18
I have a vbob and it is a very nice pistol. Very accurate and no problems of any kind.

Doyle

glock_19guy1983
09-19-2012, 08:21
I think they're very good 1911s.

That said, I'd sooner buy a Les Baer for the price of some of them.

but Baers come in a cardboard box.:rofl:

bac1023
09-19-2012, 09:08
but Baers come in a cardboard box.:rofl:

:animlol:

That was a thread for the ages. :supergrin:

alecat88
09-19-2012, 18:03
i saw a photo of a glock 1911 , model G1911. they had a Ed brown i few weeks ago and i was going to trade in a few to get that but it sold and saw they had a bunch of dan wesson's, thanks eveyone for your input.

rv4driver
09-19-2012, 18:24
I picked up a CBOB that was a mfgr's rep demo gun. Excellent value. Great gun. It's a keeper. I doubt I could get the same deal today, but two years ago, it was amazing.

Do it.

[URL="http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p112/jhallrv4/gun/dwcbobflare.jpg"]

SauerChoi
09-19-2012, 20:30
Didn't know you can get a Les Baer for the same amount of money but I love the stainless VBOB that I have and have no regrets.

Paul7
09-19-2012, 21:59
I have a SS Valor I got off GB for $1,350 delivered, fantastic gun, super accurate and runs 100%. One of the best looking 1911s out there, IMHO.

bac1023
09-19-2012, 22:05
Didn't know you can get a Les Baer for the same amount of money but I love the stainless VBOB that I have and have no regrets.

For the black Valor you can.

bac1023
09-19-2012, 22:06
I have a SS Valor I got off GB for $1,350 delivered, fantastic gun, super accurate and runs 100%. One of the best looking 1911s out there, IMHO.

It's certainly a beautiful 1911. :cool:

ArmoryDoc
09-20-2012, 01:55
I own the Dan Wesson CCO. Great gun - wouldn't trade it. :)

FLglockdude
09-20-2012, 10:58
I love my VBOB :cool:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb159/06RedfireGT/f2f2d77d.jpg

samuse
09-20-2012, 12:16
I had a VBOB briefly last year.

I put about 1K rounds through it and gave up. It ran a 2-3% fail to feed with factory ball and was always rusting.

matt_lowry123
09-20-2012, 12:23
I have one of the black valors when they first came out years ago. Since then I've bought a commander, heritage, and a SS valor. I like them alot!!! I'm also not an expert when it comes to 1911's, but I do think they're worth the money.

Paul7
09-20-2012, 12:49
Someone mentioned Les Baer a while back, this guy did an extensive comparison and found the DW to be more accurate:

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321236

Personally, I can do without the front serrations on the Baer.

Nakanokalronin
09-20-2012, 13:12
I really like my Valor :cool:

Fit is still as tight as the day I bought it, 100% reliable, high quality parts, one or two non critical parts are cast and very accurate.

http://imageshack.us/images/blue/menu_bg.jpghttp://imageshack.us/images/blue/menu_bg.jpghttp://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg826/scaled.php?server=826&filename=valorsa.jpg&res=landing

michael t
09-20-2012, 23:32
Mine is a 2007 CBOB great shooting pistol. Makes me look go when shooting. That said I got mine when they were priced about same as a Colt . Now I believe their to much money. I would go with a Baer or Brown.

GermanyBound
09-21-2012, 05:45
I have a DW Heritage. Love it. Great trigger, accurate, no malfunctions in 600+ rounds.

venenoindy
09-21-2012, 11:14
I have a SS Valor and IMO I got a lot for my money ($1250.00 out the door).

sns3guppy
09-21-2012, 12:53
I have several Dan Wesson 1911's. I like them. All were bought before the big price increases. The last one I got was a CCO, and it was just under nine hundred, I think. I'd buy more, if they hadn't gone up so much. They were the unsung bargain at their asking price. Now the song has been sung just a bit too much.

They're still great pistols, just priced too high to make them a great bargain, any more.

Polak
09-21-2012, 14:28
I love my 9mm Guardian.

TACLOAD
09-21-2012, 14:46
Duty treatment VBOB no issues here.

TrueGunNut
09-21-2012, 18:38
ummm... they are amazing. I LOVE my Dan Wesson Valor 1911. It is a first generation with the cerakote black finish. Les Baer quality gun!

SauerChoi
09-21-2012, 19:11
For the black Valor you can.
Ah okay. :cool:

bac1023
09-21-2012, 21:40
Didn't know you can get a Les Baer for the same amount of money but I love the stainless VBOB that I have and have no regrets.

For the black Valor you can.

Ah okay. :cool:

Take a look.


http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=307633153

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=307579328

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=306509296

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=306871871

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=306809691

alecat88
09-23-2012, 12:17
I went down to the range today took my Beretta and SW 3916. After shooting I had to hold a valor and gotta say very nice craftsmanship. They have two in stock one in stainless and one in black, The black one had a blemish on the slide. Now what to trade in

MikeG36
09-24-2012, 01:16
I agree with the others about Les Baer. I have a CBOB and love it but, if I could buy a LB for the same price, I'd go LB in a heartbeat.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/Mike16610/CBOB_1.jpg

Paul7
09-24-2012, 19:25
Mine is a 2007 CBOB great shooting pistol. Makes me look go when shooting. That said I got mine when they were priced about same as a Colt . Now I believe their to much money. I would go with a Baer or Brown.

There were improvements with DWs that went along with the price increase, including a much better finish. IMHO they are well worth it.

deadite
09-25-2012, 14:52
The two I have have been great.
http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/122.jpg

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/deadite_photos/guns%20with%20new%20camera/115.jpg

deadite

TonyT
09-26-2012, 19:35
Dan Wesson 1911's are absoluiely firt rate guns. I have an early blued DW Pointman in 45ACP, another with 2 sets of uppers 9mm & 40 S&W and a newer stainless PM-9 in 9mm. Outstanding fit and finsih for the dollar.

bac1023
09-26-2012, 21:11
Dan Wesson 1911's are absoluiely firt rate guns. I have an early blued DW Pointman in 45ACP, another with 2 sets of uppers 9mm & 40 S&W and a newer stainless PM-9 in 9mm. Outstanding fit and finsih for the dollar.

That dollar has gone up quite a bit over the last couple of years though. :shocked:

GVFlyer
09-26-2012, 21:46
While I truly like my Valor, when I objectively compare it to my 1911s by Baer, Brown, Wilson, et al., it was appropriately priced at the <$1300 it cost new at the time of my purchase.

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/GeneralAtomics/213.jpg

bac1023
09-27-2012, 13:42
While I truly like my Valor, when I objectively compare it to my 1911s by Baer, Brown, Wilson, et al., it was appropriately priced at the <$1300 it cost new at the time of my purchase.

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/GeneralAtomics/213.jpg



Very nice.

I like my 2008 Valor as well. I got it for $1200 new.

Granted the new models are better, but prices are ridiculous now.

Rinspeed
09-27-2012, 16:25
Someone mentioned Les Baer a while back, this guy did an extensive comparison and found the DW to be more accurate:

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321236

Personally, I can do without the front serrations on the Baer.




Personally, I can do without the meaningless put 300-400 rounds through each and call it a extensive comparison. :dunno:

Paul7
09-27-2012, 17:57
Personally, I can do without the meaningless put 300-400 rounds through each and call it a extensive comparison. :dunno:

OK, if you've got a more extensive comparison let's see it.

jokeruh
09-28-2012, 16:04
Personally, I can do without the meaningless put 300-400 rounds through each and call it a extensive comparison. :dunno:

So if shooting is not the best method to determine accuracy, what method should be used?

Paul7
09-28-2012, 16:25
So if shooting is not the best method to determine accuracy, what method should be used?

:popcorn:

jokeruh
09-28-2012, 16:37
I am currently trying to decide between a low end Baer and a Valor. I don't have the opportunity to shoot either one so I have to resort to reading and the comparisons that others make.

First thing that I found is that many people compare pre 2010 Valors to low end Baers (and other brands). While this is fair if a person is trying to compare $1100-1200 pre 2010 models to $1800-1900 Baers, I think most would concede that the Baer, which costs about $600-$700, would be a better gun.

Second, I am shopping for 2012 models (because I will buy NIB) so I am comparing the differences between the new Valor and Baer.

Third, in my judgment, it is only fair to compare the prices of the SS Valor to Baer. The SS Valor is about $1400 street compared to Baer at about $1900.....a $500 difference. The "Black" is a $300 metal-bonding finish that can be added to any pistol. So, if you want to compare a Black Valor to a Baer with a similar treatment, you have to add $300. That leaves you with Black Valor: $1800; and Baer with treatment: $2200. No doubt you could leave the Baer untreated, but based on my research, the finish is not very durable if it is used for carry or not handled very carefully. Additionally, the Baer is not as rust resistant.

Other than those comments, this is what I have learned (these are relative comparisons to ONLY low end Baer and Valor):

Valor:

Pros: Stainless (might be a con for some since many prefer carbon), no MIM or cast parts, lighter trigger, cheaper, no FCS (personal preference), excellent accuracy, excellent fit and finish

Cons: Stainless only (no carbon options), only 5 year warranty, lacks the prestige of the higher end guns, relatively new manufacturer

Baer:

Pros: Carbon (or stainless if you prefer), "hard fit" barrel, excellent accuracy, known durability and reliability, excellent reputation, excellent fit and finish

Cons: Relatively non durable finish, about $300-$400 more than Valor, FCS (personal preference), has cast parts (personal preference though it bothers some)



There are probably some more pros and cons for each, but these are what come to mind. If you don't like my comparisons, then that is fine. I don't own either one so I don't have any personal biases or first hand experience. I do know that - especially when it comes to this much money - people get emotional and subjective. I have simply listed the items that are commonly reported from many different people

Quack
09-29-2012, 11:44
The grip safety on Valor is cast.

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Paul7
09-29-2012, 13:06
The grip safety on Valor is cast.

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Yes, that's an Ed Brown part. Don't know that it matters, but Wilson, LesBaer, and Ed Brown use cast thumb safeties, DW is forged.

Quack
09-29-2012, 13:08
For one of the Valor Pros, joker has no cast yarts, so I'm just stating that it does ha e a cast part.

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jokeruh
09-29-2012, 21:07
The grip safety on Valor is cast.

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Thanks. I didn't know that.

jokeruh
09-29-2012, 21:14
Has anybody ever heard of durability problems with a cast part grip safety?

I assume that the grip safety is probably one of the least stressed parts.

I am not sure which manufacturer's grip safety this is, but I did find this interesting: https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Durability.html

The reason I ask is because reliability and durability are my most important criteria as I shop for a 1911 in this price range.

Quack
09-29-2012, 21:21
Has anybody ever heard of durability problems with a cast part grip safety?

I assume that the grip safety is probably one of the least stressed parts.

I am not sure which manufacturer's grip safety this is, but I did find this interesting: https://severnscustom.com/Hard_Hat_Durability.html

The reason I ask is because reliability and durability are my most important criteria as I shop for a 1911 in this price range.

Not really, a majority of them are cast, with the exception of EGW and the Wilson Hardcore parts. There may be more, but those are the 2 I can think of that aren't cast.

Up until the last year or 2, the lower end Wilson's were cast. Ed Brown safeties are cast.

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jokeruh
09-29-2012, 21:31
Thanks again

GVFlyer
09-30-2012, 00:29
I am currently trying to decide between a low end Baer and a Valor. I don't have the opportunity to shoot either one so I have to resort to reading and the comparisons that others make.

First thing that I found is that many people compare pre 2010 Valors to low end Baers (and other brands). While this is fair if a person is trying to compare $1100-1200 pre 2010 models to $1800-1900 Baers, I think most would concede that the Baer, which costs about $600-$700, would be a better gun.

Second, I am shopping for 2012 models (because I will buy NIB) so I am comparing the differences between the new Valor and Baer.

Third, in my judgment, it is only fair to compare the prices of the SS Valor to Baer. The SS Valor is about $1400 street compared to Baer at about $1900.....a $500 difference. The "Black" is a $300 metal-bonding finish that can be added to any pistol. So, if you want to compare a Black Valor to a Baer with a similar treatment, you have to add $300. That leaves you with Black Valor: $1800; and Baer with treatment: $2200. No doubt you could leave the Baer untreated, but based on my research, the finish is not very durable if it is used for carry or not handled very carefully. Additionally, the Baer is not as rust resistant.

Other than those comments, this is what I have learned (these are relative comparisons to ONLY low end Baer and Valor):

Valor:

Pros: Stainless (might be a con for some since many prefer carbon), no MIM or cast parts, lighter trigger, cheaper, no FCS (personal preference), excellent accuracy, excellent fit and finish

Cons: Stainless only (no carbon options), only 5 year warranty, lacks the prestige of the higher end guns, relatively new manufacturer

Baer:

Pros: Carbon (or stainless if you prefer), "hard fit" barrel, excellent accuracy, known durability and reliability, excellent reputation, excellent fit and finish

Cons: Relatively non durable finish, about $300-$400 more than Valor, FCS (personal preference), has cast parts (personal preference though it bothers some)



There are probably some more pros and cons for each, but these are what come to mind. If you don't like my comparisons, then that is fine. I don't own either one so I don't have any personal biases or first hand experience. I do know that - especially when it comes to this much money - people get emotional and subjective. I have simply listed the items that are commonly reported from many different people

Nice summary, but my Valor comes in third when I compare it to my two Baers.

jokeruh
10-01-2012, 21:52
Nice summary, but my Valor comes in third when I compare it to my two Baers.

Which Baers do you have? Also, what year is your Valor?

Thanks!

tim12232
10-01-2012, 23:03
Love my 2011 Dan Wesson CBOB, only thing I took back from CA that I love! The CBOB in 2010 started using the forged frames like the Valors. I almost sold it for a black VBOB, but when I looked at it, the polished flats and blasted top and bottom were just too pretty to get rid of. So now I am just saving for a black VBOB!
BTW 2k plus rounds through my DW and not a single failure since the first 10 or so shots when brand new! "break in"

GVFlyer
10-02-2012, 02:34
Which Baers do you have? Also, what year is your Valor?

Thanks!

Premier II

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/GeneralAtomics/LesBaerPII.jpg

Thunder Ranch Commanche Special

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/GeneralAtomics/006-2-1-1-1.jpg

Late 2009 Black Valor

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/GeneralAtomics/211.jpg

http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq166/GVFlyer/GeneralAtomics/194-1.jpg

bac1023
10-02-2012, 06:59
Not really, a majority of them are cast, with the exception of EGW and the Wilson Hardcore parts. There may be more, but those are the 2 I can think of that aren't cast.

Up until the last year or 2, the lower end Wilson's were cast. Ed Brown safeties are cast.

Sent from my ADR6425LVW using Tapatalk 2

Liebenberg uses forged grip safeties. They're made in house.

bac1023
10-02-2012, 07:01
I am currently trying to decide between a low end Baer and a Valor. I don't have the opportunity to shoot either one so I have to resort to reading and the comparisons that others make.

First thing that I found is that many people compare pre 2010 Valors to low end Baers (and other brands). While this is fair if a person is trying to compare $1100-1200 pre 2010 models to $1800-1900 Baers, I think most would concede that the Baer, which costs about $600-$700, would be a better gun.

Second, I am shopping for 2012 models (because I will buy NIB) so I am comparing the differences between the new Valor and Baer.

Third, in my judgment, it is only fair to compare the prices of the SS Valor to Baer. The SS Valor is about $1400 street compared to Baer at about $1900.....a $500 difference. The "Black" is a $300 metal-bonding finish that can be added to any pistol. So, if you want to compare a Black Valor to a Baer with a similar treatment, you have to add $300. That leaves you with Black Valor: $1800; and Baer with treatment: $2200. No doubt you could leave the Baer untreated, but based on my research, the finish is not very durable if it is used for carry or not handled very carefully. Additionally, the Baer is not as rust resistant.

Other than those comments, this is what I have learned (these are relative comparisons to ONLY low end Baer and Valor):

Valor:

Pros: Stainless (might be a con for some since many prefer carbon), no MIM or cast parts, lighter trigger, cheaper, no FCS (personal preference), excellent accuracy, excellent fit and finish

Cons: Stainless only (no carbon options), only 5 year warranty, lacks the prestige of the higher end guns, relatively new manufacturer

Baer:

Pros: Carbon (or stainless if you prefer), "hard fit" barrel, excellent accuracy, known durability and reliability, excellent reputation, excellent fit and finish

Cons: Relatively non durable finish, about $300-$400 more than Valor, FCS (personal preference), has cast parts (personal preference though it bothers some)



There are probably some more pros and cons for each, but these are what come to mind. If you don't like my comparisons, then that is fine. I don't own either one so I don't have any personal biases or first hand experience. I do know that - especially when it comes to this much money - people get emotional and subjective. I have simply listed the items that are commonly reported from many different people

I MUCH prefer carbon steel for 1911s. Its the way to go for the tightest tolerences. Baer won't even give you their best accuracy guarantee on a stainless gun.

Rinspeed
10-02-2012, 07:50
I MUCH prefer carbon steel for 1911s. Its the way to go for the tightest tolerences.






Me too and I MUCH prefer hard fit carbon Kart barrels over drop in 416 SS barrels.

Paul7
10-05-2012, 11:06
Me too and I MUCH prefer hard fit carbon Kart barrels over drop in 416 SS barrels.

According to this comparison, it doesn't much matter:

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321236

G schütze
10-07-2012, 10:31
Personally, I can do without the meaningless put 300-400 rounds through each and call it a extensive comparison. :dunno:


The guy that did the comparison is a well respected gunsmith that happens to sell BOTH lines of guns. So there is no bias between DW and Baer on his part.

Too bad you can't do extensive testing because your Kimber won't make it 300-400 rounds without a malfunction! :rofl:

sns3guppy
10-08-2012, 22:54
My Kimber CDP Pro Compact hasn't had any problems. Perhaps I've just been lucky.

I've been quite happy with my Dan Wessons. I haven't run them through comparisons, but they factory triggers have been excellent. I have a Heritage that was one of their lower-end models, but which is absolutely (but not too) tight. The slide really feels nice; very smooth, very different than some of my other 1911's. For a low-end production pistol, it's quite good.

DaveFJ80
10-11-2012, 22:51
I've been looking into getting a current Valor in black, but they're expensive ($1900-ish for CA SSE prices). I considered a Les Baer, but what really turned me off was the finish on them and how they wore rather quickly, from what I've personally seen.... it's a peeve of mine to have a durable black finish that won't wear fast.

However, for a few hundred bucks more I'm currently now considering an EB Special Forces, or even comparable to that a LB SRP. While I like the fit & finish of the Valor, I'm wondering if it's worth it to spend a little bit more on the EB SF or LB SRP.

Paul7
10-13-2012, 19:05
I've been looking into getting a current Valor in black, but they're expensive ($1900-ish for CA SSE prices). I considered a Les Baer, but what really turned me off was the finish on them and how they wore rather quickly, from what I've personally seen.... it's a peeve of mine to have a durable black finish that won't wear fast.

However, for a few hundred bucks more I'm currently now considering an EB Special Forces, or even comparable to that a LB SRP. While I like the fit & finish of the Valor, I'm wondering if it's worth it to spend a little bit more on the EB SF or LB SRP.

I got my SS Valor for $1,350 shipped.

HAIL CAESAR
10-14-2012, 19:41
Mine was right at 1,300.

MD357
10-14-2012, 20:39
I've seen Nowlin Barrels do less than 1" groups @ 50 yds all day long. Nobody could shoot this so I don't think makes a bit of difference as far as accuracy goes. I will say that Karts are generally less expensive but that doesn't matter in this comparison. To me, how could you go wrong with either?