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SARDG
09-20-2012, 15:57
I, and a bunch of other folks, are already in town so I thought it would be as a good time as any to get started.

Post your match (and pre-match) stories and photos here. :wavey:

DannyR
09-20-2012, 18:46
I'd like to see a great photo of Dr Rod shooting the Gunny Match.:wavey:

SARDG
09-20-2012, 21:07
Dinner with Scott and Ed (emtjr) tonight, then all back to my room to check out the racer and dry-fire.

Going in mid-morning tomorrow and shoot with the ROs.

Maybe I'll actually see the Gunny Challenge this year.

emtjr928
09-21-2012, 04:51
Enjoyed Dinner and the conversation with Scott and SARDG! Scott even wanted to eat "Southern Cookin' ". Not some Organic tofu something or other.
:phew:

Melissa5
09-21-2012, 07:36
Dinner with Scott and Ed (emtjr) tonight, then all back to my room to check out the racer and dry-fire.

Going in mid-morning tomorrow and shoot with the ROs.

Maybe I'll actually see the Gunny Challenge this year.

Have you gotten your racegun reloads straightened out? I sold my Lee Loadmaster and have been using the Lee classic turret. Now all of my rounds are passing the case gauge check. I'm hoping for better results tomorrow.

SARDG
09-21-2012, 08:40
Have you gotten your racegun reloads straightened out? I sold my Lee Loadmaster and have been using the Lee classic turret. Now all of my rounds are passing the case gauge check. I'm hoping for better results tomorrow.
I' m squared away I think.

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SARDG
09-21-2012, 08:41
735 preregistered.

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ede
09-21-2012, 09:46
I'd like to see a great photo of Dr Rod shooting the Gunny Match.:wavey:

I'd like to see a photo of me there, either shooting, working, or relaxing but it isn't going to happen. I feel bad for not making it, not so much for me but for Bama having to cancel his trip because I won't be able to load his mags or carry his bags for him from stage to stage while he shoots the match.

fotog54
09-21-2012, 14:42
I registered and shot the course today. I wanted to beat the crowds and the heat, I was #741.

Amat Civ = 82.29

2.3 seconds better than I did in Griffin. I still could not get a clean run on the plates, argghh!

Chromepulse
09-21-2012, 17:59
What time does registration open tomorrow?

DannyR
09-21-2012, 18:05
9am, but get there a little early because the lines will be long.:wavey:

SCC
09-21-2012, 21:22
will someone ask the gunny if he will be there on sunday for me and then post if he will be ? thanks alot

PM720
09-21-2012, 21:32
Had a great first day of shooting. I shot 4 divisions today. 77.88 in Master Stock, 82.09 in Competition, 88.80 in AmCiv and a dismal 191.16 in Unlimited. Had a few issues with Kitty's racer but we figured out it was my damn California mags! :faint: The other 3 times are all personal bests. :supergrin: Working the match tomorrow and shooting 3 more divisions on Sunday. MAN this is fun!! :supergrin:

Scott

SARDG
09-21-2012, 22:00
I shot through all 5 of my Divisions and RO'ed. There were a LOT of people shooting there today - more than just ROs. I am dog-tired.

On one positive note... Scott G. and Mark R. made the rounds at the bays that had double CoFs in them and adjusted the timers so everyone could run simultaneous shooters. That immediately doubles the number of shooters we can get through in a given time.

This year the new bays are open and there are an increased number of stages set. Between more stages, being able to shoot 2 shooters at once, and getting quite a few shooters through today, we should be in good shape if the entries climb to 1200+.

SARDG
09-21-2012, 22:02
will someone ask the gunny if he will be there on sunday for me and then post if he will be ? thanks alot
I will.... if I don't have to stand in line to ask him - but I can't imagine that being the case.

DannyR
09-22-2012, 06:52
My teammate arrived at 8am--15 folks already in line.

8:30am--about 100 folks in line awaiting the opening of registration. It's going to be a record attendance day.:wavey:

dseder
09-22-2012, 07:32
The Friday activities were the first I've been at a GSSF shoot. I was going to shoot on Sat with everyone else but found out my son had a t-ball game, so Friday was my only chance. Let me just say, it was a blast! I didn't do the best, but really had a great time meeting folks, sticking pasters on the targets, and of course shooting my Glock.

Thanks to all you ROs who let me shoot with you yesterday! I stuck around to help as long as I could, and didn't get to say goodbye to each one. You all were a great example of patience with me ... and I appreciate the time some of you took to answer my questions and give me some pointers.

... and man I really wanted to stick around and see Kitty shoot that blue gun ;o)

SCC
09-22-2012, 08:02
The Friday activities were the first I've been at a GSSF shoot. I was going to shoot on Sat with everyone else but found out my son had a t-ball game, so Friday was my only chance. Let me just say, it was a blast! I didn't do the best, but really had a great time meeting folks, sticking pasters on the targets, and of course shooting my Glock.

Thanks to all you ROs who let me shoot with you yesterday! I stuck around to help as long as I could, and didn't get to say goodbye to each one. You all were a great example of patience with me ... and I appreciate the time some of you took to answer my questions and give me some pointers.

... and man I really wanted to stick around and see Kitty shoot that blue gun ;o)
thats what GSSF is all about ...
glad you had a great time

mike g35
09-22-2012, 13:56
Congrats to Butch Barton of Team Carver Custom for winning the Gunny Challenge yet again!!!!!! Great job Butch!!!!!! :wavey: :supergrin:
(wish I'd have been there to see it :crying: )




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SARDG
09-22-2012, 14:10
Breaking news...

Butch Barton wins Gunny Challenge
... again.

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SARDG
09-22-2012, 14:15
Congrats to Butch Barton of Team Carver Custom for winning the Gunny Challenge yet again!!!!!! Great job Butch!!!!!! :wavey: :supergrin:
(wish I'd have been there to see it :crying: )




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Dang... you're in WV and I'm in Conyers. News travels fast.



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mike g35
09-22-2012, 14:21
LMAO I got friends in low places LOL Had a live feed from the match LOL OR......maybe someone told me via text message. LOL




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DannyR
09-22-2012, 14:34
Who finished 2nd and who finished 3rd and who finished 4th?

coondog22554
09-22-2012, 14:56
Who finished 2nd and who finished 3rd and who finished 4th?

Jay Shebuski finished third.

lethal tupperwa
09-22-2012, 15:10
so NOW will the trophy be named THE BUTCH BARTON TROPHY?

wilhelm51
09-22-2012, 16:06
Drove down from Charlotte this morning and got there about 10:30. Finished shooting 2 divisions at 3:00 and headed to motel. I'll drive home tomorrow after licking wounds tonight. May stop by in morning and watch a little. Would have liked to have shot better but I may be expecting too much too soon. I have only been shooting since March.

wilhelm

SARDG
09-22-2012, 16:06
will someone ask the gunny if he will be there on sunday for me and then post if he will be ? thanks alot

He'll be here - I asked him personally.

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SCC
09-22-2012, 16:13
He'll be here - I asked him personally.

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THANK YOU !!! I have a buddy that want to met him .. :wavey:

Melissa5
09-22-2012, 17:45
This match was awesome and I would like to thank GSSF, South River Gun Club, and all of the RO's who volunteered their time. I also want to thank the Carver Team shooters who gave me good advice about the care and feeding of my racegun.

Last year at Conyers was my first GSSF match and I've really enjoyed shooting and meeting a bunch of very nice people over the past year. I still suck, but am continuing to improve. Today, I shot a G17 in Civ, a G34 in Comp, and my G17 racegun in UL. I only had 2 mikes and left 7 plates standing. That's pretty good shooting for me. My lowest time was with my racegun - 137.xx. I know that's not great for UL, but I am still happy with it. I did one plate run in 4.20. Then, my racegun jammed up tight with a case stuck in the chamber. So, I finished the last 2 runs with my stock 17. If I could get my reloads right and get some good practice with the racegun, I might actually break 100 one day. LOL

misunderestimated
09-22-2012, 18:34
Where are the pictures

MrVvrroomm
09-22-2012, 18:41
Where are the pictures
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/560450_4246380872775_648088295_n.jpg

Way to go Butch!

Team Chuck Norris
09-22-2012, 18:46
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Way to go Butch!


Absolutely fantastic for Butch! I think he practiced less this year than ever. It must be his secret.

But, who finished 2d, 3d, and 4th?

Doc Holiday
09-22-2012, 19:14
your private message box is full.
still have not added up scores.
just got home.
have an event to attend.
sorry.
jim

SARDG
09-22-2012, 19:35
This match was awesome...

...If I could get my reloads right and get some good practice with the racegun, I might actually break 100 one day. LOL
Nice seeing you again Melissa. Drink the blue Kool Aid. To paraphrase Tommy Lee "get rid of that red-painted sissy loader and get yourself a Dillon." :)

Justin1911
09-22-2012, 19:36
Gunny match
1-butch barton
2-Justin shurley
3- jay shebuski (sp?)
4-David knight

Congrats to butch, again!

SARDG
09-22-2012, 19:38
your private message box is full.
still have not added up scores.
just got home.
have an event to attend.
sorry.
jim
Jim- you can e-mail me by clicking on my screenname at the left. I pretty much discourage PMs by not even clearing out my box. E-mails always welcomed.

Kitty

weagle
09-22-2012, 19:48
What a great day. Thanks to everyone who came by to see us at the Ed's Public Safety tables.

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weagle
09-22-2012, 19:51
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09-22-2012, 19:53
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weagle
09-22-2012, 19:56
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weagle
09-22-2012, 19:58
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09-22-2012, 20:01
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09-22-2012, 20:05
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Butch
09-22-2012, 20:07
Hey everyone! I'm finally back at our motel (they were closing the range down....had to leave).

Second place was Justin Shurely, third was Jay Shebuski, and fourth was David Knight.

We shot Gen4 9mm's, a G17, a G19, and a G26.

The hard shots were using the G26 on a bowling pin sized pepper popper at about 40 feet!

It was a heck of a match, everyone shot very well, and Justin and I went the whole five strings in the championship round!

Thanks all!

weagle
09-22-2012, 20:08
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09-22-2012, 20:11
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09-22-2012, 20:13
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Butch
09-22-2012, 20:13
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Way to go Butch!
Thanks!

Also, the hairy guy in this pic is my youngest, Cale. They had a charity raffle (Gunny's choice of charity) and Cale won the drawing! He got to shoot against Gunny on the challenge course!

weagle
09-22-2012, 20:16
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09-22-2012, 20:19
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SARDG
09-22-2012, 20:35
The following is quoted from the "# of rounds, Glock the Plates" thread:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19435134#post19435134

what if the next stage over has someone that takes a long time to shoot?

And your stage is alternating with them....

That's another pet peeve of mine and one of the reasons it takes so long to get shooters through these stages - alternating shooters, or even strings!

I'll stick my neck out and say that >90-95% of the time that wouldn't be necessary at all if the timer sensitivities were properly adjusted and the RO held the timer pointed at the muzzle of the gun they are timing.
I have no idea if "Glock/GSSF" reads this forum - they always deny it! But today was perhaps the absolute best GSSF RO briefing I've ever attended. It was timely and relevant. They have to get 1000+ entries through in the same period of time that some matches get 150 entries through and increasing the number of bays isn't going to do it alone. You have to utilize those bays and shoot in them - not wait for any other CoF in the bay to finish so the next may begin.

Yesterday at the RO shoot, and continuing today, the timers were set to a sensitivity of "6" and we ran simultaneous shooters (WITH NO BAFFLES) in a single bay. The ROs were briefed on doing that. It worked wonderfully in our bay - and should have been working in other's with multiple stage sets in a bay.

They also started the brief with 'squadding' while the ROs were still paying attention, and gave a good explanation. I'd be curious to know if there were any perceived squadding problems around today - there shouldn't have been.

Mark R. and Scott G. also covered reshoots (FOR ANYTHING ANY REASONABLE OR MAYBE SLIGHTLY UNREASONABLE PERSON COULD THINK OF), and went over the 2 correct ready positions and trigger finger issues.

The most annoying and most often overlooked gotchas seemed to be covered this morning, with no added fluff.

SCC
09-22-2012, 21:52
The following is quoted from the "# of rounds, Glock the Plates" thread:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=19435134#post19435134




I have no idea if "Glock/GSSF" reads this forum - they always deny it! But today was perhaps the absolute best GSSF RO briefing I've ever attended. It was timely and relevant. They have to get 1000+ entries through in the same period of time that some matches get 150 entries through and increasing the number of bays isn't going to do it alone. You have to utilize those bays and shoot in them - not wait for any other CoF in the bay to finish so the next may begin.

Yesterday at the RO shoot, and continuing today, the timers were set to a sensitivity of "6" and we ran simultaneous shooters (WITH NO BAFFLES) in a single bay. The ROs were briefed on doing that. It worked wonderfully in our bay - and should have been working in other's with multiple stage sets in a bay.

They also started the brief with 'squadding' while the ROs were still paying attention, and gave a good explanation. I'd be curious to know if there were any perceived squadding problems around today - there shouldn't have been.

Mark R. and Scott G. also covered reshoots (FOR ANYTHING ANY REASONABLE OR MAYBE SLIGHTLY UNREASONABLE PERSON COULD THINK OF), and went over the 2 correct ready positions and trigger finger issues.

The most annoying and most often overlooked gotchas seemed to be covered this morning, with no added fluff.
thats good to know !! sunday should be great :supergrin:

emtjr928
09-23-2012, 04:08
The Friday activities were the first I've been at a GSSF shoot. I was going to shoot on Sat with everyone else but found out my son had a t-ball game, so Friday was my only chance. Let me just say, it was a blast! I didn't do the best, but really had a great time meeting folks, sticking pasters on the targets, and of course shooting my Glock.

Thanks to all you ROs who let me shoot with you yesterday! I stuck around to help as long as I could, and didn't get to say goodbye to each one. You all were a great example of patience with me ... and I appreciate the time some of you took to answer my questions and give me some pointers.

... and man I really wanted to stick around and see Kitty shoot that blue gun ;o)

Well, The Smurf Gun was drawn in anger.... The target was on of the biggest ants you have ever seen... luckily Scott took it out with his boot before Kitty had to. :laughing:

misunderestimated
09-23-2012, 05:55
Hey everyone! I'm finally back at our motel (they were closing the range down....had to leave).

Second place was Justin Shurely, third was Jay Shebuski, and fourth was David Knight.

We shot Gen4 9mm's, a G17, a G19, and a G26.

The hard shots were using the G26 on a bowling pin sized pepper popper at about 40 feet!

It was a heck of a match, everyone shot very well, and Justin and I went the whole five strings in the championship round!

Thanks all!

Congratulations

I would want to go just to watch this competition.
Great Job

DannyR
09-23-2012, 06:10
It is an amazing competition to watch, with about 32 Matchmeisters using the same pistols and ammo, one-on-one single elimination. Pairings are drawn for each level.

lethal tupperwa
09-23-2012, 06:32
wait --what happened

Kitty was Happy with the RO brief:shocked:

Chris North
09-23-2012, 06:59
wait --what happened

Kitty was Happy with the RO brief:shocked:

LOL


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Glockrunner
09-23-2012, 07:03
wait --what happened

Kitty was Happy with the RO brief:shocked:

Because it all fell together! We shot and had plenty of time to watch the Gunny Challenge this year. Missed the AmeriGlow booth tho, I admit it was my bust.

The Express Bays (specifically for the contestants with more than 3 catagories) were not well marked and I signed up in two of these. It all ran smoothly and in a timely manner even for those of us that just shoot a couple catagories.

GSSF Crew and the South Bend River Club out did themselves this year! Smoothest match I have attended in years and with the added shooters.

This should go down as a feather in their cap!

Njanear
09-23-2012, 07:19
I shot the match yesterday and used the EXPRESS section (I shot 3 guns back-to-back while my buddy shot 4). We got there very early, so there weren't a lot of people at the start BUT when you have some shooters going back-to-back with 7 guns each, it still takes some time to work yourself up the tree. There was only a single lane for Glock M and the plates, and 2 set up side-by-side for 5 to Glock (although it was typically staffed to only run one at a time). I thought it went very well - all 3 were staffed with very nice and informed ROs (the nice lady at the EXPRESS steel plates was extremely helpful to everyone and deserves a special shout-out for her enthusiasm and spirit - if you are on the forum, here is something for you: :yourock:). :wavey:

I shot about par in AmCiv and AmComp (not winning anything the hard way :) ), and tried out Heavy Metal for the first time (I have got to work on that one :embarassed:).

It was a great match, with perfect weather and awesome ROs. Thanks, GSSF.

Glockrunner
09-23-2012, 09:31
A shot from Friday night dinner gathering.
Good food and conversation but no spilled beer (Don) :supergrin: this year.

frankt
09-23-2012, 11:35
I shot the match today. Picked up my score card stickers at 9:00, finished shooting at 11;15 and that was with taking some breaks and chatting with friends we ran into there.
Good Job GSSF, RO's,Volunteers and SRGC.

legacy38
09-23-2012, 12:00
We shot the match today, and I had a good run of 63.70 in Guardian and a 78.54 run in Heavy Metal. I was hoping to keep it under 75, but didn't do as well on the plates as I should have.

The wait times weren't too bad, and the squadding was done correctly at each bay we shot. The ROs did a good job with the commands, and I would like to especially single out the RO that we had on the 5-Glock. He was very consciences to the point of asking the shooter to verify that the correct score sheet was being used, and he did great job of keeping things moving without rushing the shooter. I wish I had gotten his name.

There was one issue concerning the express bays. GSSF sent out the following:

EXPRESS BAYS: Members shooting 3 or more divisions will have the opportunity to shoot all their divisions back to back in bays 13, 19, & 20 (GSSF Annual Shoot XIX Map). Members with less than 3 divisions are also welcome to shoot in these bays with the understanding that the usual squadding rules of ‘shoot 2, then step back’ do not apply.


This was not the case on the range. When we arrived at the 5-Glock, we were told it was an express bay and that we had to leave because we were only shooting two divisions. There were no shooters waiting to shoot. We pointed out the above from the email, but one RO was adamant that we couldn't shoot there. Finally, common sense prevailed, and we were allowed to shoot.

Then we walked over to the neighboring Glock-M where we were told it was a no go. We decided not to argue the point again and moved to another bay. There were two shooters at the bay where we were told we couldn't shoot. There were two complete trees at the bay where we moved.

I did speak with several GSSF staff members who stated that the ROs were doing as they had been told, but this was clearly contrary to what GSSF sent out in the email.

The express bays are a good theory, but why on earth should shooters be turned away when there are no shooters in line only to have to go to another bay where its starting to back up? Letting shooters shoot on the express bays would have kept the other bays form backing up.

We only shot two divisions due to time constraints. We could have been done in under an hour had we shot three or more divisions as there were no lines at the express bays; however, shooting two divisions took us just under three hours.

Other than the express bay thing, it was a very pleasant day. The weather was wonderful, and the other parts of the match were nicely handled.

Justin1911
09-23-2012, 12:44
I shot 4 divisions Saturday in about 3.5hours. Minimal wait times considering this is the biggest match of the year. Also noticed that squading was done correctly at all bays I shot, squading in general has been much better this year I think. Shot well in master stock and HM, not so well in comp and subcompact. Big thanks to all the ROs and Gssf staff for a great year as this is my last pistol match until griffin next year! Going to take some time off, do some plinking and long range stuff. It gets old having to practice for a match every time I go to the range

Noponer
09-23-2012, 13:18
I shot 4 divisions Saturday in about 3.5hours. Minimal wait times considering this is the biggest match of the year. Also noticed that squading was done correctly at all bays I shot, squading in general has been much better this year I think. Shot well in master stock and HM, not so well in comp and subcompact. Big thanks to all the ROs and Gssf staff for a great year as this is my last pistol match until griffin next year! Going to take some time off, do some plinking and long range stuff. It gets old having to practice for a match every time I go to the range

Practice? Well no wonder you did so well!

Seriously, Justin...... congratulations on taking 2nd place in the Gunny Challenge! !:cheerleader:

BK94
09-23-2012, 13:52
Gunny shoot.

Glockrunner
09-23-2012, 14:50
Anyone know the final number of entries?

SARDG
09-23-2012, 16:04
1045 shot. New record, but barely. We're still here, now waiting for RO drawing. :)

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DannyR
09-23-2012, 16:45
Another fantastic record setting GSSF Weekend! A special thanks to the GSSF Staff, the RO's, Glock Armorer's Staff, vendors and volunteers.:wavey:

CUTigers2002
09-23-2012, 17:10
Shot today @ Conyers for the first time in several years...I made it a point to attend this year. Nice job with the new layout and added bays. The range looked awesome. I only shot 2 divisions, but I was allowed to shoot at the "express" bays. As I was leaving, someone was putting up a sign pointing out that the last 3 bays were "Express" bays and reserved for 3 or more entries. Clearly, this new idea was evolving even at the time of the match. I think the whole concept is a good idea, though.

I did notice that the 5 to Glock was set-up only to 60 feet on the long distance target. Conyers WAS the only match in Gerogia to have the 75 footer on the 5 to Glock due to low bays at Griffin and Dawsonville. Should make for lower scores, but I miss the "great equalizer" as I refer to it!

Got to meet Scott and took some video for him as he shot the plates and the M. Hope that turns out ok!

Shot ok today, happy with my Subcompact score...very displeased with my run with my 17...had 2 Mikes...not good. Need to get in some more trigger and practise time...oh well. Have to depend on some random goodness...again!

Great job by all the RO's and GSSF staff...great match, once again. Conyers may very well get my vote for match of the year, this year.

Ocean_glocker
09-23-2012, 19:36
1045 shot. New record, but barely. We're still here, now waiting for RO drawing. :)

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Who won the drawing? I hate not being able to stay for the drawings...

SARDG
09-23-2012, 20:04
Who won the drawing? I hate not being able to stay for the drawings...
9 RO pistols given away at the end - not to you VJ, or me, or Ed, or Scott, or TBone either, who also inquired. :crying:

SARDG
09-23-2012, 20:38
wait --what happened

Kitty was Happy with the RO brief:shocked:

Because it all fell together!

...Smoothest match I have attended in years and with the added shooters.

This should go down as a feather in their cap!
Yep, it was good. I'd like to see all matches run like this. And I hope they continue the RO briefings in the same vein.

Cindy also sends out that RO questionnaire and attempts to put experienced ROs with some new ROs. And she sends updates and briefs to the ROs during the month prior to the match. A little pre-planning goes a long way. Cindy never stopped moving - working with the caterers for the Saturday B-B-Q, distributing meal tickets, registering shooters and teams. I'm sure I don't know half of what she does during the Conyers match - but I'm glad I don't have to follow her around for a week.

I also like the heck out of Mark Ramsey, one of their newer Rangemasters, who is all over the place and manages to stay on top of everything over the entire match period; setting bays and keeping them stocked and then, with other GSSF Rangemasters and volunteer ROs, striking those bays and loading trailers to go back to Smyrna - tonight!

Mark isn't alone though and it was pretty-much an all-hands effort. The only GSSF Rangemaster/principal or other GSSF regular not in attendance was Scotty Banks.

SARDG
09-23-2012, 20:42
...Kitty was Happy with the RO brief:shocked:

LOL
BTW.... :tongueout:

21 shooter
09-23-2012, 21:54
I had a great time at the match. The RO's were great, and, in between shooters and taping targets, I got to talk to some of them, one of whom worked for Glock. Good folks all. The one that worked for Glock said it was the best job he had ever had. Wish I lived closer I would put in an application!

Most stages went quickly and smoothly, and any time spent waiting was usually time spent talking to old friends or making new ones, so there is not much to gripe about if you don't get to shoot 2 minutes after you get there. I spent more time BSing, talking to the Armorers, Mr. Ramsey (does he ever stop?), Ed's Public Safety (great shirts and gear), well, you get the idea. More time spent on "visiting" than shooting. Anyone that showed up solely to shoot and nothing else, really missed the best part of the match. Already looking forward to next year. Oh, and, once again, I'm going to practice more. :-)

JHB2
09-24-2012, 05:28
This was my first GSSF event and I had a great time. I looking forward to the next one in Charleston.

mike from philly
09-24-2012, 06:00
The best part of the match are the Armorers! Friendly and happy to help.

I had a Gen 4 17 with "issues". The issues were so bad I had been thinking about selling it and getting a Caracal or Steyr.

A couple of minutes at the Armorers Table and now it runs perfectly. To test it, I shot it at the match with 10 round AWB mags with 2183-1 followers. Not one gun related hiccup.

I'm back in the Glock fold, thanks to the Armorers.

SARDG
09-24-2012, 06:17
We shot the match today...
So, I guess I missed you and Volgrad again this weekend... :crying:

Did you two have that "range commands" talk with the RO(s) before you shot each stage? ;)

Glockrunner
09-24-2012, 06:19
This was my first GSSF event and I had a great time. I looking forward to the next one in Charleston.
We'll keep the light on for you!:wavey:

Looking forward to seeing you all again this year.

kyglockshooter
09-24-2012, 07:23
What a great weekend, next year I'm going to make it on Friday so I can RO. My oldest son and I shot on both saturday and sunday and this year we saw the gunny challenge. We have been to enough events where we recognize and are recognized by more people, this means the best part of the event is the fellowship and conversation.

Squadding was well run and the RO's I shot with were good with the commands at the line.

The only missing element of a great weekend would be lower scores...not enough of the right kind of practice. Craig came back ready to practice with some intensity (never happened before) so we will both work a little over the winter to see more improvement.

Fireglock
09-24-2012, 07:36
Butch = cool, calm, collected. A tough act to follow, or even tougher, face. :)

VOLGRAD
09-24-2012, 07:54
So, I guess I missed you and Volgrad again this weekend... :crying:

Did you two have that "range commands" talk with the RO(s) before you shot each stage? ;)

I did look for you Kitty. I was specifically looking for a Amazon tall woman wearing leather. That's right, right? :rofl:

No talk about the range commands as they all seemed to be asking "shooter ready" as a question rather than a statement ... as God intended. :tongueout:

Jlweems pretty much covered our experience. Everything ran pretty smooth today once we got past the express bay debacle. That will work itself out in time though. Considering this was the first match with express bays I don't feel it's fair to complain much yet. I do suggest they be marked better and instructions match the pre-match announcement but it's all good.

Kudos to the ROs for making the squadding process a non-issue at this match. This is the first match I've shot where this was the case. Excellent job.

I got to meet the Gunny. That was cool. We were leaving on Sunday and I figured he'd already be gone. Sure enough as we passed the Ed's tent he was walking off. I stopped him to chat and snapped a pic.

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd208/volgrad/050274D6-6EF0-436C-A0BA-636E47E28E07-1434-000000A91D6934AC_zps23252c7b.jpg

SARDG
09-24-2012, 08:07
I did look for you Kitty. I was specifically looking for a Amazon tall woman wearing leather. That's right, right? :rofl:
Exactly right - I'm surprised you didn't see me. :supergrin:

No talk about the range commands as they all seemed to be asking "shooter ready" as a question rather than a statement ... as God intended. :tongueout:
Glad to see you're getting those ROs trained in God's vision! :wavey:

k

Mrs Glockrunner
09-24-2012, 10:15
We have been to enough events where we recognize and are recognized by more people, this means the best part of the event is the fellowship and conversation.

It was good to see you again, and I agree. You make good friends at these matches and you look forward to seeing them again.

See you two again soon! :wavey:

kyglockshooter 2.0
09-24-2012, 10:44
Glad to see you're getting those ROs trained in God's vision! :wavey:



I had one RO that when he said shooter ready, saw i was ready and instantly the buzzer went off it was close to a second, if that. it took me two strings to understand this is how he did it every time. Now I am not complaining about this, im just stating that it was different from the other RO's at previous competitions.

It was good to see you again, and I agree. You make good friends at these matches and you look forward to seeing them again.

See you two again soon! :wavey:
It was awesome seeing your smiling faces many times this weekend!!! :) As my dad stated its awesome to now turn around when waiting to get to the line and seeing someone I am able to comfortably walk up to and spark up a conversation. I was able to reduce my time by an average of at least 25 seconds from my last match. If i were to look at all my scores to take an average i believe it maybe closer to 30-35 seconds BUT I am unsure. I attribute this success to 1st my dad he has invested SO much time in our shooting, and now I have hit that switch where I have seen success and I am now going to be able to break a 100. I was close, yet by four tenths of a second I was unsuccessful to break a hundred.
2nd I have an amazing friend who allowed me to accompany him shooting and coached me. Now that I have been provided with the tools to succeed I must get my act together and not let these tools lay unused.

mike from philly
09-24-2012, 11:09
I was on a stage where all of the experienced RO's ran off to lunch, leaving behind a couple of folks who I'm not sure ever RO'd before. The range commands went ...

"OK" ..... come up to shoot
"OK" ..... unbox the pistol
"Sight Picture" .... practice sight picture
"OK" .... load and make ready
"OK" .... Are you ready and standby
beep .... beep
"OK" .... If You Are Finished, Unload And Show Clear
"OK" ..... Box the pistol

I should have stepped up to help but I hadn't RO'd or shot a match in 5 years and wasn't sure if GSSF would get upset.

In regard to the Express Lanes, GSSF should consider them for people shooting one category instead since they are the shooters who would benefit most by them. These lanes could attract more people (more membership dues) who don't want to spend alot of time waiting to shoot.

Melissa5
09-24-2012, 11:13
In regard to the Express Lanes, GSSF should consider them for people shooting one category instead since they are the shooters who would benefit most by them. These lanes could attract more people (more membership dues) who don't want to spend alot of time waiting to shoot.

Now, that makes too much sense. :tongueout:

emtjr928
09-24-2012, 11:34
mike from philly and Melissa5,
There are pros and cons to both versions of "express bays". I Ran one shooter who had shot all 14 Conyers matches and those who had never shot one or any other type of match before. Those shooting one entry and those shooting seven. Each type of entrant presents their own special needs and considerations. If the registration form indicated a new first time shooter, I have often thought that maybe they should shoot specific bays with very knowledgeable and patient ROs.
May be difficult to implement at some locations. Don't know. It is good to see GSSF exploring ways to improve the match experience for all.

Sorry I may have not met you mike.:dunno:

It was good to finally meet you Mellisa5. :wavey:

legacy38
09-24-2012, 11:57
Did you two have that "range commands" talk with the RO(s) before you shot each stage? ;)

I had one RO that when he said shooter ready, saw i was ready and instantly the buzzer went off it was close to a second, if that. it took me two strings to understand this is how he did it every time. Now I am not complaining about this, im just stating that it was different from the other RO's at previous competitions.


We had an opportunity to observe each RO before we shot, and each was making a very noted effort to ensure that the shooter was indeed ready and not rushing through the commands.

The guy who ran us on the plates wasn't giving a "stand by", but he was waiting for an indication from the shooter, and he was consistent in how he was doing it; so, it was an easy adjustment. It's the ROs that change up constantly that are a problem.

SARDG
09-24-2012, 12:12
I had one RO that when he said shooter ready, saw i was ready and instantly the buzzer went off it was close to a second, if that. it took me two strings to understand this is how he did it every time. Now I am not complaining about this, im just stating that it was different from the other RO's at previous competitions...
Read the rules and RO Guide, follow them, and INSIST that your ROs follow them. That is the only way to get ROs trained properly.



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SARDG
09-24-2012, 12:22
...The guy who ran us on the plates wasn't giving a "stand by", but he was waiting for an indication from the shooter, and he was consistent in how he was doing it; so, it was an easy adjustment. It's the ROs that change up constantly that are a problem.
I get an RO who ain't doin' it right, I tell them they ain't doin' it right. It 's the only way to get ROs trained properly. (There's an echo in here I think.)

There were MANY inexperienced ROs, and I never leave my post without an experienced relief overseeing a bay. It isn't safe! For you military types, remember your 5th General Order.


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Melissa5
09-24-2012, 12:48
It was good to finally meet you Mellisa5. :wavey:

I enjoyed meeting you also. :):courtsie:

legacy38
09-24-2012, 15:33
I get an RO who ain't doin' it right, I tell them they ain't doin' it right. It 's the only way to get ROs trained properly. (There's an echo in here I think.)

There were MANY inexperienced ROs, and I never leave my post without an experienced relief overseeing a bay. It isn't safe! For you military types, remember your 5th General Order.


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I agree, but at that point I just didn't want to get into another argument. If he had been doing something that messed me up, I would have said something, but I was able to adapt to what he was doing.

This is one of the reasons I shoot a "throw away" division and try to observe how the SOs are operating before going to the firing line.

youngann
09-24-2012, 17:03
(the nice lady at the EXPRESS steel plates was extremely helpful to everyone and deserves a special shout-out for her enthusiasm and spirit - if you are on the forum, here is something for you: :yourock:). :wavey:



::Blushing:: Why, thank you.

I always enjoy being an RO, and I particularly like squadding as it gives me more of a chance to 'visit' with everyone.

Thanks again, you made my day.

misunderestimated
09-24-2012, 18:12
::Blushing:: Why, thank you.

I always enjoy being an RO, and I particularly like squadding as it gives me more of a chance to 'visit' with everyone.

Thanks again, you made my day.

WOW Ann you sure do travel ,Probably the only person i have met that likes to squad.

You also did a great job in PA thanks again

DannyR
09-24-2012, 18:43
It is traditional for members of Pistol People to make the pilgrimage to Conyers.

kyglockshooter 2.0
09-24-2012, 20:10
Read the rules and RO Guide, follow them, and INSIST that your ROs follow them. That is the only way to get ROs trained properly.



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I get an RO who ain't doin' it right, I tell them they ain't doin' it right. It 's the only way to get ROs trained properly. (There's an echo in here I think.)

There were MANY inexperienced ROs, and I never leave my post without an experienced relief overseeing a bay. It isn't safe! For you military types, remember your 5th General Order.


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I do know that your always willing to teach people, which is awesome and is something that needs to be done more often. I am now just truly becoming confident in stepping up and saying something.

SARDG
09-24-2012, 20:24
I do know that your always willing to teach people, which is awesome and is something that needs to be done more often. I am now just truly becoming confident in stepping up and saying something.
:) The rules are your friend... Your 'knowledge is power' at the line.

SARDG
09-24-2012, 20:35
Wanted to post here that Scott (PM720) and Ed (emtjr928) crewed with me as RO through this 3-day weekend and did a marvelous job. I'd be plenty happy to work with either of those gentlemen again.

Kitty

emtjr928
09-24-2012, 21:14
Thanks SARDG!!!
I did enjoy the long weekend. I would also like to say that if an RO gets their phrasing of the commands to commence the firing of a string wrong, they should communicate to the shooter to relax, tell them you will start the sequence over. Kinda like a reshoot for the RO. I also became very aware of my Cadence and Inflection and how they were perceived by the shooter. Requires concentration and a desire to give each shooter the same opportunity for a safe and successful shoot.
Ed

SARDG
09-24-2012, 22:19
Thanks SARDG!!!
I did enjoy the long weekend. I would also like to say that if an RO gets their phrasing of the commands to commence the firing of a string wrong, they should communicate to the shooter to relax, tell them you will start the sequence over...
I had about 6, to perhaps 8 "finger" calls each day, after which I would stop the cadence and tell the shooter I was starting over.

In addition, had several 'start' position corrections and a few target toucher/punchers - but no kids poking a pen through the bullet holes this weekend. :supergrin:

Also quite a few muzzle violations where we discussed the error of their ways with their errant muzzle pointing. Some shooters really aren't aware of common gun safety rules and could have benefited from an NRA class.

Scott (GSSF) reminded the ROs to be in the teaching mode for shooter infractions.

dgbee456
09-24-2012, 22:35
I had a great time, my first time shooting any Gssf Or any kind of shooting match.
I brought my girlfriend and she shot her Glock 19 and I shot mine :)
Great time, I scored a 4.43 Glock the Plates with a perfect string

Tbone17
09-25-2012, 04:39
Really enjoyed the weekend shooting and working. Got to meet alot of new people, RO alot of people. Didn't shoot that well but my Daughter shot her personal best saturday morning, she is excited about that. I can see her next year maybe in the double digits, she is close to breaking 100.

Just like to congratulate my Alabama Holster Co. teammates Justin Shurley for a 2nd and David Knight for a 4th in the Gunny Challenge. Awesome shooting guys.

My Daughter and I enjoyed working the 5 to Glock up in the old bays with our Griffin Gun club steel challenge and GSSF Ro's, you guys/gals make things go smoothe. See everyone next year.

Glockrunner
09-25-2012, 04:39
I was called down for changing my start position. During the Comp. catagory I was holding my pistol out at a 45 degree angle. I then switched to the elbows touching my ribs, stance.

I had to explain that in that stance it wasn't necessary to hold the pistol at a 45 degree angle also. My explaination caused a weird look to come over the RO's face and we stood there for some time before she started the cadence. Was like I was the only one that had ever done that, that day.

All in good time. We'll all know the rules sooner or, later.

youngann
09-25-2012, 05:24
WOW Ann you sure do travel ,Probably the only person i have met that likes to squad.

You also did a great job in PA thanks again

Thank you! The feedback is truly appreciated.

I think our traveling is done for the year... can you say 'exhausted'? We may try to make the Orlando match in February but, other than that, the next one for us will be the Ladies' match in April 2013.

youngann
09-25-2012, 05:28
It is traditional for members of Pistol People to make the pilgrimage to Conyers.

And every year we manage to talk one or two more members into coming with us. This year we had 8 people which may not seem like a lot but, when you consider our round-trip drive is about 1500 miles, I think it's pretty impressive.

SARDG
09-25-2012, 06:55
I was called down for changing my start position. During the Comp. catagory I was holding my pistol out at a 45 degree angle. I then switched to the elbows touching my ribs, stance.

I had to explain that in that stance it wasn't necessary to hold the pistol at a 45 degree angle also. My explaination caused a weird look to come over the RO's face and we stood there for some time before she started the cadence. Was like I was the only one that had ever done that, that day.

All in good time. We'll all know the rules sooner or, later.
Thanks for sticking to your guns, Bob. Pun intended!

It's another way to train - an experienced shooter who knows the rules, insisting that the RO follow them. If, as knowledgeable shooters we do not correct newer ROs, we are doing them a great disservice.

Scott G. covered the start positions in the briefing, but that's a small nuance that can be missed in a quick explanation. Those ROs who shoot other disciplines are also at an advantage. Your start position is simply a common retention position in IDPA.

Butch
09-25-2012, 08:07
Just like to congratulate my Alabama Holster Co. teammates Justin Shurley for a 2nd and David Knight for a 4th in the Gunny Challenge. Awesome shooting guys.
I'll second that!

Both are great guys and great shooters....they certainly made me earn this win! The pressure was definitely high, and the adrenalin flowed!

I'm still at my Dad's in Indy and will be home by Wednesday night, hope to post some more pics and vids after I get home.

Thanks all!

kyglockshooter 2.0
09-25-2012, 09:17
I had a really cool experience, I was standing waiting to get on the line and i smelled a great cigar and it was the gunny. I was able to turn around shake his hand say thank you, then resumed watching competitors shoot.

SARDG
09-25-2012, 09:46
I made some comments about poppers in the 'M' CoF on other current threads, but wanted to post something for the official debriefing thread...

Most of the time, 3 poppers are set - and set to fall when struck by a 115gr bullet with a low-center hit. GSSF claims Blazer ammo is used - but I bet that varies a bit. Blazer has relatively low power factors compared to AE, for example.

There are matches where one popper is set and in that case, set to NOT fall, but to 'ring and paint'. This is called "Wind Rules", but may be used in matches where wind isn't a factor at all. In some cases (Griffin), the popper ends up being a single big-ol' Smoke & Hope piece of steel and not a popper at all. (That one's practically a gimme.)

One thing that should not be done is to set 3 poppers (wide) and lock them up and NOT to fall. This confuses new shooters as they are always presented with 3 poppers, but expected to shoot a different popper each string. It is NOT a recommended GSSF setup and should NOT be used - but I've seen it once this year already. If set with 3 poppers (up), they should all fall to count; if set with a single popper, it is ring and paint. If, during a match wind rules are implemented, the other 2 poppers should remain down. Technically, the single popper should be painted for EACH shooter. This is necessary because many shooters cannot hear the 'ring' so rely on visual cues.

When we went to wind rules on Sunday afternoon, I specifically went up to the waiting group of 20 or so shooters (for our double-stage) and explained wind rules and ring & paint so no one would be confused, and always tried to remind later shooters of what was expected with the single popper. I also asked that someone spray the popper each time we pasted.

SARDG
09-25-2012, 09:53
I had a really cool experience, I was standing waiting to get on the line and i smelled a great cigar and it was the gunny. I was able to turn around shake his hand say thank you, then resumed watching competitors shoot.
I had a great experience too. Someone asked me if Gunny was going to be there Sunday as well as that Saturday. On Saturday I saw him standing around after the Challenge and asked him. He said yes! :phew: :)

bryandover
09-25-2012, 10:05
When we went to wind rules on Sunday afternoon, I specifically went up to the waiting group of 20 or so shooters (for our double-stage) and explained wind rules and ring & paint so no one would be confused, and always tried to remind later shooters of what was expected with the single popper. I also asked that someone spray the popper each time we pasted.

Kitty, what popper was uesd? Front middle or back? Seems like that could be a unfair advantage. :dunno:

emtjr928
09-25-2012, 10:20
wanted to post here that scott (pm720) and ed (emtjr928) crewed with me as ro through this 3-day weekend and did a marvelous job. I'd be plenty happy to work with either of those gentlemen again.

Kitty

I got the shirts for Scott and me. What'cha think?:rofl:

227933

SARDG
09-25-2012, 10:24
Kitty, what popper was uesd? Front middle or back? Seems like that could be a unfair advantage. :dunno:
The front popper - and it probably was an "unfair advantage" for those who shot later, rather than sooner.

SARDG
09-25-2012, 10:26
I got the shirts for Scott and me. What'cha think?:rofl:

227933
Cute... :tongueout:

wilhelm51
09-25-2012, 10:45
I had a problem with a popper. Seems it had been falling on its own in the slightest breeze and someone decided to kick some gravel behind it to help it stay up. I hit it three times without it falling. It was adjusted and I was allowed to shot the string over so no harm but did give me a moments pause as I was shooting.

wilhelm

SARDG
09-25-2012, 11:32
I had a problem with a popper. Seems it had been falling on its own in the slightest breeze and someone decided to kick some gravel behind it to help it stay up. I hit it three times without it falling. It was adjusted and I was allowed to shot the string over so no harm but did give me a moments pause as I was shooting.

wilhelm
Did you mean stage? You should have shot the entire stage over. The only CoF where you can successfully reshoot only a single string, is plates.

Justin1911
09-25-2012, 13:24
Also quite a few muzzle violations where we discussed the error of their ways with their errant muzzle pointing. Some shooters really aren't aware of common gun safety rules and could have benefited from an NRA class.

.


Kitty - assuming you had that blue gun, I think you may have corrected me ( I use that term loosely) on this as did another RO at Conyers match. I'm not one to agrue to or plend my case while shooting, esp with others waiting. I have a habit of bringing the gun to eye level and turn my wrist 45 deg to better see where the mag is going (some trainers refer to this as your "workspace" when reloading and feel this is best practice both from a competition (GSSF excluded as reloads aren't on the clock) and practical/real word stand point. You may remember you asked me if I shot USPSA and said most USPSA shooters do a similar thing. I am aware that there is a round in the pipe and the muzzle is pointing over the berm. However, finger is not on the trigger and the 180 is not broken. Does GSSF or South River Club have a rule that says muzzle should never rise over the berm? My basic point is that I appreciate your close eye for safety, but from a repetition/muscle memory stand point want to reload in the same position everytime and not change that between shooting sports. I also tend to get some grief for this at Columbia every year! I think it's that the reload is done so slowly as compared to an on the clock reload in USPSA/IDPA. I will try to do it a little quicker in the future as not to scare anyone :supergrin: Thanks for RO'ing and your insight on this board, I just wanted to bring that up when you talked about muzzle control.

PM720
09-25-2012, 14:39
I got the shirts for Scott and me. What'cha think?:rofl:

227933

Where's mine? :rofl:

PM720
09-25-2012, 14:42
Kitty - assuming you had that blue gun, I think you may have corrected me ( I use that term loosely) on this as did another RO at Conyers match. I'm not one to agrue to or plend my case while shooting, esp with others waiting. I have a habit of bringing the gun to eye level and turn my wrist 45 deg to better see where the mag is going (some trainers refer to this as your "workspace" when reloading and feel this is best practice both from a competition (GSSF excluded as reloads aren't on the clock) and practical/real word stand point. You may remember you asked me if I shot USPSA and said most USPSA shooters do a similar thing. I am aware that there is a round in the pipe and the muzzle is pointing over the berm. However, finger is not on the trigger and the 180 is not broken. Does GSSF or South River Club have a rule that says muzzle should never rise over the berm? My basic point is that I appreciate your close eye for safety, but from a repetition/muscle memory stand point want to reload in the same position everytime and not change that between shooting sports. I also tend to get some grief for this at Columbia every year! I think it's that the reload is done so slowly as compared to an on the clock reload in USPSA/IDPA. I will try to do it a little quicker in the future as not to scare anyone :supergrin: Thanks for RO'ing and your insight on this board, I just wanted to bring that up when you talked about muzzle control.

I will add to this that one of the IDPA matches I shot we were "cautioned" about muzzle direction and if anyone sent one over the berm they would be done for the day. They didn't say we couldn't pont over the berm, just don't pull the trigger! :whistling:

Scott

SARDG
09-25-2012, 15:31
Kitty - assuming you had that blue gun, I think you may have corrected me ( I use that term loosely) on this as did another RO at Conyers match. I'm not one to agrue to or plend my case while shooting, esp with others waiting. I have a habit of bringing the gun to eye level and turn my wrist 45 deg to better see where the mag is going (some trainers refer to this as your "workspace" when reloading and feel this is best practice both from a competition (GSSF excluded as reloads aren't on the clock) and practical/real word stand point. You may remember you asked me if I shot USPSA and said most USPSA shooters do a similar thing. I am aware that there is a round in the pipe and the muzzle is pointing over the berm. However, finger is not on the trigger and the 180 is not broken. Does GSSF or South River Club have a rule that says muzzle should never rise over the berm? My basic point is that I appreciate your close eye for safety, but from a repetition/muscle memory stand point want to reload in the same position everytime and not change that between shooting sports. I also tend to get some grief for this at Columbia every year! I think it's that the reload is done so slowly as compared to an on the clock reload in USPSA/IDPA. I will try to do it a little quicker in the future as not to scare anyone :supergrin: Thanks for RO'ing and your insight on this board, I just wanted to bring that up when you talked about muzzle control.
I remember the conversation - albeit brief. I tend to try to keep everyone treated and RO'd alike when asking for safe muzzle direction. I can usually spot USPSA shooters who tend to do what you do - IDPA, not so much.

I never know immediately when a person steps to the line, just how much experience they may have - I've seen some 'cool' moves from really poor shooters whose actual experience I would question - but after a string can figure out if they've really been around. Doesn't matter though, in keeping with muzzle direction requirements being downrange for safety, I'm sure I'd ask Sevigny to keep his muzzle below the berm in GSSF to set an example for the multitude of green shooters who are watching. And I think I mentioned the example part to you.

Had I been ROing a USPSA match with you shooting, and knowing USPSA shooters and muscle memory as I do, I wouldn't have balked. But I am an IDPA SO and had you been shooting IDPA at a match at my club for instance, I would have called 'muzzle', as with Scott's match and club (below).

BTW, in IDPA I bring my gun up and turn it 45 degrees to load mags as well. I've just been beat up about keeping the muzzle below the berm when doing so - and calling people who do not. As a matter of fact I try to impart that 'load' move on new GSSF shooters, many of whom seem to want to lay the gun down after each string, sometimes holding the gun flat on the table and pushing the mag into the well with their other hand. Oh my...

Certainly didn't mean to offend you, and actually, I'm sure you're bigger than that anyway. But if we meet on the GSSF line again, I'll probably still ask you to set that GSSF example. ;)

* Don't know if SRGC has that berm rule - but local club rules seem to go out the window at GSSF matches anyway or half the field would be DQ'ed. They are a big USPSA club and all the GSSF staff are long-time USPSA shooters, so maybe not.

ETA: See post # 122 which states, for all intents and purposes, keep the firearm pointed at the targets when loading and unloading.

I will add to this that one of the IDPA matches I shot we were "cautioned" about muzzle direction and if anyone sent one over the berm they would be done for the day. They didn't say we couldn't pont over the berm, just don't pull the trigger! :whistling:

Scott

Morris
09-25-2012, 15:48
Glad to see the photos. Got me juiced to re-up to GSSF after a hiatus.

SARDG
09-25-2012, 16:07
Here's what I found when looking for something else in The Glock Report. This relates to post # 120:

130.70 Make sure you keep the firearm pointed in a safe
direction (towards the targets) at all times especially
when reloading and unloading. Failure
to do so will disqualify you from the match.

DannyR
09-25-2012, 16:09
Some folks focus so hard on black and white that they never see the beautiful rainbow of color in-between.

wilhelm51
09-25-2012, 16:19
Did you mean stage? You should have shot the entire stage over. The only CoF where you can successfully reshoot only a single string, is plates.

Since it was the first string, yeah it was the entire stage. We waited until the other shooter had finished and then fixed the popper plus put pasters on the targets. Knowing that now, I think I would have been upset had it been the third string. (It was Saturday in Bay 16 on the right side.)

wilhelm

SARDG
09-25-2012, 16:21
Some folks focus so hard on black and white that they never see the beautiful rainbow of color in-between.
Hmmm... :headscratch:

...but some Danny, just try to be completely and equally fair across the board. You wouldn't fault me for that, would you? :crying:

(I can see why I am so good at writing and interpreting policies and procedures though.) ;)

DannyR
09-25-2012, 16:26
Fair is fine. Appraising shooters of the correct procedures is fine. Just keep in mind that there is a lot of difference between a teacher and a disciplinarian.

SARDG
09-25-2012, 16:27
Since it was the first string, yeah it was the entire stage. We waited until the other shooter had finished and then fixed the popper plus put pasters on the targets. Knowing that now, I think I would have been upset had it been the third string. (It was Saturday in Bay 16 on the right side.)

wilhelm
Yep, when it happens on the third string, there is a lot of ammo involved. I, Scott and Ed were on 15, next door...

That is an example of why I bring enough ammo to shoot the entire weekend twice, though. (plus some more..)

Was your bay (16) shooting simultaneous/concurrent shooters on both CoFs?

SARDG
09-25-2012, 16:33
Fair is fine. Appraising shooters of the correct procedures is fine. Just keep in mind that there is a lot of difference between a teacher and a disciplinarian.
Oh Danny... I wasn't rude or cruel all weekend - in spite of my reputation, I am fairly calm, cool, and collected.

Fireglock
09-25-2012, 17:11
Oh Danny... I wasn't rude or cruel all weekend - in spite of my reputation, I am fairly calm, cool, and collected.

And trying to teach an experienced, i.e. very experienced, shooter in one case. He was, shall we say, not impressed.

:upeyes:

Sometimes we let our "enthusiasm" and "knowledge" lead us places we don't need to go. :)

Fireglock
09-25-2012, 17:15
Fair is fine. Appraising shooters of the correct procedures is fine. Just keep in mind that there is a lot of difference between a teacher and a disciplinarian.

Teaching is best left for another venue, not at the line in a match. Causing shooters to be safe is always appropriate, at the line and in fact at the match. Teaching tends to slow down the match and irritate the shooters. Safety first and always. :)

wilhelm51
09-25-2012, 18:02
Was your bay (16) shooting simultaneous/concurrent shooters on both CoFs?

They appeared to be shooting concurrent when I got there but shortly thereafter the left hand side took a lunch break and no one shot at all on that side for 15 to 20 minutes.

Which leads me to my no good deed goes unpunished story. I was shooting two divisions and the guy following me was going to shoot two. He turned to ask his friend to reload his magazines while he was shooting since he was short some. I made the suggestion that we could alternate and after he shot his first division he could reload while I shot my second. Made perfect sense to me and would hel move things along. He thought that was fine and we got he RO doing the squading to make the necessary switch.

So I'm up, shooting my first division and the guys on the left side (or their replacements) return. Rather than putting new names on that tree they move him over to that side along with my second division.

At the time it sure seemed like I had a good idea.

wilhelm

legacy38
09-25-2012, 18:14
I think I posted about it after the match where it occurred, but I had an RO try to "coach" me at the line once. While I make no claims at being "top tier", I am an experienced competitive shooter in multiple shooting sports, and I have been in the money a decent amount in GSSF. This guy's "coaching" was unwanted, unneeded, and beyond annoying.

Later that year, I was SOing an IDPA match, and the "coach" came through the bay where I was working, and I really thought about "coaching" him some, but I just ran the course of fire with no fuss.

I do now look to see if he is ROing at a bay before I sign up there.

SARDG
09-25-2012, 19:31
And trying to teach an experienced, i.e. very experienced, shooter in one case. He was, shall we say, not impressed.

:upeyes:

Sometimes we let our "enthusiasm" and "knowledge" lead us places we don't need to go. :)
Please understand, my or any RO's job is not to impress, or not impress - our primary job is to insure safety at our stage, on the line. Justin, Sevigny, Gunny, and Butch Barton get up in the morning and put their pants on the same way I do - and will have safety violations mentioned to them, just as I would expect to have safety violations mentioned to me. I said nothing to Justin or anyone else in any vindictive way - but I won't and don't hesitate to mention safety issues and would call my own mother on them if she were alive today. Remember again, ROs enforce the rules fairly and equally.

Although I'd have more faith in living through technical muzzle violations with the Justins, Sevignys, and Butch Bartons of the world... A.D.s happen. It is said there are two kinds of shooters - those who have had an AD, and those who will. As you've said below - safety first and always.

Teaching is best left for another venue, not at the line in a match. Causing shooters to be safe is always appropriate, at the line and in fact at the match. Teaching tends to slow down the match and irritate the shooters. Safety first and always. :)
Unlike many posters on this board, I've read all the rules, every RO Guide, attended each RO briefing, spoken in length to GSSF officials and e-mailed a few. My RO and shooting experience isn't limited to GSSF, though my actual shooting skill frequently sucks. As recently as the Saturday briefing, Scott G. reminded the ROs that GSSF is 'different' and that we should be in more of a teaching mode as GSSF shooters are encouraged to later join and shoot in other competitive disciplines.

Although the potential for teaching is tremendous at GSSF matches, I interrupt no one during their shooting of the 3 strings for teaching purposes - only for immediate safety concerns. Even then, I explain why they were called. Will I mention some basic shooting issue that might improve an inexperienced shooter's skill and enjoyment - you betcha, right after their stage is complete. Could it slow down the line somewhat - perhaps, but every single shooter who comes to the line is my customer and receives the utmost in customer service during their time with me - the same credo that my small business was built on.

You have to also remember that many shooters at GSSF are even completely unaware of basic firearms safety rules and someone has to start somewhere, sometime.

DannyR
09-25-2012, 19:44
Fireglock, welcome back. It's been too long.:wavey:

Fireglock
09-25-2012, 19:46
I'm impressed by your credentials, though you might find there are others as much if not more qualified as you consider yourself. Nothing I posted was meant to imply that you shouldn't place safety first, nor would I. Please don't read into my post meanings not there. And I agree Butch, DEJFL, Fireglock and SARDG can all make mistakes, none are above human failings, no matter what they do with their pants.

Fireglock
09-25-2012, 19:48
Fireglock, welcome back. It's been too long.:wavey:

Hope I don't irritate too many folks! We had a nice time at Conyers, a great weekend and nice ride home, if a little later than normal. GSSF is still fun after all these years. :)

PM720
09-25-2012, 19:49
Well, here's my story with lots of video at the end. :supergrin:
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Someone told me once if you shoot GSSF matches you have to shoot the Conyers match at least once in your life. I am here to tell this is the truth. After hearing about the 1000+ entries they had at the 2011 event I decided I wanted to participate in a match like this to see how I stack up with some of the best shooters in the country. Having shot a few GSSF matches over the past year I knew what these matches were like and wondered how they could run over 1000 entries through in a single weekend. The matches I have shot on the West Coast run around 300 entries and it always seemed a little busy. Well, after Conyers I can see how. They had 14 shooting bays with dual arrays set up in most of them and a large number of experienced ROs (Range Officers) which I now count myself among them. A couple of weeks before the match a few of my shooting buddies managed to convince me to RO for the weekend so I volunteered for all 3 days. I was nervous about what I was getting into but as it worked out the entire weekend could not have run smoother.
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I arrived Thursday evening and met up with Kitty (SARDG) and Ed (EMTJR928) from Glock Talk for dinner. Friday morning I rolled into the range around 9am. The South River Gun Club is situated on over 300 acres of beautiful Georgia countryside and can accommodate Trap and Skeet, Rifle and of course, handgun shooting. Kitty was gracious enough to loan me her race gun for the weekend and I was pretty excited about that. Since I normally shoot 5 of the 7 divisions and adding the race gun to Unlimited I decided to jump all the way in and shoot Master Stock as well making it all 7 divisions. Since I was working the match on Friday I was able to shoot 4 of the divisions (Master Stock, Competition, Amateur Civilian and Unlimited) on Friday which made for a very relaxed weekend. Most of the ROs shot on Friday as well as a few early bird regular shooters which I think contributed to how smooth things ran the rest of the weekend. Im not sure if it was the clean southern air or the humidity or what but I shot 3 personal best times that day. 77.88 in MS, 82.07 Comp and 88.80 in AmCiv. Unfortunately, I shot a dismal 191.16 in UL. I had a few malfunctions that we traced to some problem mags I had brought with me. Sorry Kitty!!
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Friday night there was a dinner with several members of Glock Talk and I was finally able to put faces (and names!) to several posters that I had been bantering with over the past year. We ate some nice BBQ and shared some great stories and I feel like I made some new friends.
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Saturday morning we were at the range bright and early for the RO meeting. Here we were issued our RO shirts & hats and given the instructions on how to run the various stages. Once we had our shooting bay assignment we went down and set up the stage. We were running a Glock M. There were 2 setups in this bay, the same as most of them, so that we could run the maximum number of shooters as possible. I started off doing the scoring and watching how to run the timer. I also did a little bit of squading as well. I think the most fun part was running the timer. As the timer you control when the shooter is able to shoot, give them instructions on how to shoot the stage and offer advice if they want it. I think we averaged about 100 entries per day. It takes an average of 5 minutes per entry to run them through the M stage.
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I also got to watch the Gunny Challenge on Saturday. It was a thrill to see names like Butch Barton, Brian Dover, Grady Whitelaw and others shoot this match. These guys are all wizards with a Glock. As we all know by now Butch Barton won it again for the 3rd time in a row and 4 out of the 5 past events.
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Saturday evening was a BBQ for the ROs so that took care of dinner there. Again, a great group of people donating their time for some charred dead animal flesh and a few free magazines. That spells die hard supporters in my book!
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Sunday we were able to start a little later but still needed to be on station by 9am. Since I still had 3 divisions left I had planned to shoot these on Sunday which is traditionally the slower day. I still had Subcompact, Heavy Metal and Major Sub left which I shoot with a G30. At first I was not really thrilled with the times I posted but after reviewing some previous stats I found I had bested by previous times in Sub & HM by about 20 seconds so that perked me up a bit! I still have a lot of room for improvement though.
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So there it is. I got to shoot and work at the greatest match in GSSF history with 1045 entries. I made some improvements in my shooting and improved my best times in 4 of the 5 divisions I normally shoot. I made some new friends and I learned some new skills. What a weekend! If you enjoy shooting get out to a match near you and have some fun. If you see me be sure to say hi!
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DannyR
09-25-2012, 19:58
Fireglock,

Safety may be #1, but fun is #2. Sorry I missed Conyers, but I had to choose between it and my 50th reunion in Philly next month.:upeyes:

Fireglock
09-25-2012, 20:02
Fireglock,

Safety may be #1, but fun is #2. Sorry I missed Conyers, but I had to choose between it and my 50th reunion in Philly next month.:upeyes:

Bummer. I'm not much on reunions so we know where I would have gone. :)

Comrade Bork
09-25-2012, 20:02
The Express lane concept is new to GSSF and they themselves are still learning about it. :wow:

Scott G. said that the other GSSF Rangemasters had come up with the idea, or had it suggested to them, he was not entirely sure!

That in fact, Conyers was the very first GSSF match where he himself had implemented it!

And so, he was still in a learning mode about the Express lane idea himself! :dunno:

Lessons learned from Conyers:


Tell the ROs that they can take shooters who have less than 3 entries so long as they understand that the "shoot 2, let someone else shoot 1/2 entries" rule is in fact waived. If the shooter before them has 7 entries, then they are going to wait for 7 entries before they can get on that stage setup.

If a shooter is going to shoot 3 or more entries, they should either have enough pre-loaded magazines on hand to shoot their entries back to back to back to back to back to back to back without pause,

And/Or have a buddy or two there to keep them in loaded mags such that there is no pause in the shooting other than for scoring/resetting/pasting. Having to halt to load mags somewhat defeats the purpose of the express lane.

SARDG
09-25-2012, 20:13
Well, here's my story with lots of video at the end. :supergrin:

...I shot a dismal 191.16 in UL. I had a few malfunctions that we traced to some problem mags I had brought with me. Sorry Kitty!!
Your malfunctions were indeed your California mags and more specifically it seems, the followers - but lets face the facts - my red dot was acting up as well. Darn, it's hard to keep those racers running.

Well, join the crowd... that's about what I shot with Melissa's racegun when I borrowed that. :upeyes:

Melissa5
09-26-2012, 05:23
Your malfunctions were indeed your California mags and more specifically it seems, the followers - but lets face the facts - my red dot was acting up as well. Darn, it's hard to keep those racers running.

Well, join the crowd... that's about what I shot with Melissa's racegun when I borrowed that. :upeyes:

Bwahaha! I've decided that my racegun hates me. Another case got stuck in the chamber last night with my reloads. OTOH, I found out that it will cycle Winchester Q loads without any problems.

lethal tupperwa
09-26-2012, 05:58
Kitty,

not everyone throws the pants up in the air and jumps in with both legs at once.:O)

DannyR
09-26-2012, 06:01
Melissa,

I suspect your race gun hates your weak reloads.

misunderestimated
09-26-2012, 06:38
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Videos are real fun to watch but never fun to be in,
Side profiles are never flattering.

Nice shooting

One of the ROS had his attention and Eyes looking reward instead of watching the gun.Although the gun was being handled safely,the 180 rule never violated and it was only seconds, We all know how mach stuff can happen is seconds.

Thank you for sharing

Edit When watching videos of other people shooting GSSF they all look so smooth, Fast, Purposeful, and accurate.
When I see myself in a video I see all of my wasted movements

Al

emtjr928
09-26-2012, 06:55
Videos are real fun to watch but never fun to be in,
Side profiles are never flattering.

Nice shooting

One of the ROS had his attention and Eyes looking reward instead of watching the gun.Although the gun was being handled safely,the 180 rule never violated and it was only seconds, We all know how mach stuff can happen is seconds.

Thank you for sharing

Edit When watching videos of other people shooting GSSF they all look so smooth, Fast, Purposeful, and accurate.
When I see myself I video I see all of my wasted movements

It is amazing what good video editing software can do. Lol

Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine

PM720
09-26-2012, 08:44
Videos are real fun to watch but never fun to be in,
Side profiles are never flattering.

Nice shooting

One of the ROS had his attention and Eyes looking reward instead of watching the gun.Although the gun was being handled safely,the 180 rule never violated and it was only seconds, We all know how mach stuff can happen is seconds.

Thank you for sharing

Edit When watching videos of other people shooting GSSF they all look so smooth, Fast, Purposeful, and accurate.
When I see myself in a video I see all of my wasted movements

Al

Yeah, thanks for pointing that out! And here I was thinking I lost weight! :embarassed: You should have seen me 40 pounds heavier. Or mabe not! :faint:

Well, as we have been discussing many of the RO's were inexperienced and I did not see any training programs for the most important guy, the timer. :dunno: I know I looked back a couple times for a second or 2 but as you saw n the videos some of these guys actually walked away. Maybe that was a sign of respect for my gun handling? :dunno:

And I'm with you on seeing myself here. I am looking at grip and recovery but also looking for areas for improvement like forgetting to engage the poppers as I transition on the M. :faint:

Scott

Melissa5
09-26-2012, 10:07
Melissa,

I suspect your race gun hates your weak reloads.

6.6 gr of HS6 with a 115 gr X-treme bullet - is that weak?

bryandover
09-26-2012, 10:12
6.6 gr of HS6 with a 115 gr X-treme bullet - is that weak?

Well it is weaker than 6.7 :whistling: :tongueout:

Melissa5
09-26-2012, 10:30
Well it is weaker than 6.7 :whistling: :tongueout:

Laugh it up, chucklehead! :tongueout: :) What do you feed your raceguns? Tell us all of your secrets. :supergrin:

bryandover
09-26-2012, 10:53
What do you feed your raceguns?

I use the same 4.0 of Titegroup and a 115 Montana Gold that I use in my stock guns. My UL gun is on a G17 with a SJC comp and a 12lb Wolf spring. Everyone tells me it not the right load but it runs like a top. I don't want to jinks myself but I see alot of UL guns not running and I have not had a malfunction in four years of competition using it.

Melissa5
09-26-2012, 11:06
What do you feed your raceguns?

I use the same 4.0 of Titegroup and a 115 Montana Gold that I use in my stock guns. My UL gun is on a G17 with a SJC comp and a 12lb Wolf spring. Everyone tells me it not the right load but it runs like a top. I don't want to jinks myself but I see alot of UL guns not running and I have not had a malfunction in four years of competition using it.

Quick, knock on some wood. :)

I saw you shooting 5 to Glock last Saturday and you didn't seem to be having any problems with your guns. Wanna trade? LOL

Comrade Bork
09-29-2012, 17:55
Kitty, what popper was uesd? Front middle or back? Seems like that could be a unfair advantage. :dunno:

Well, lets list the options here.

(1) Exercise your Godly powers and ensure that the Poppers do not blow over.

(2) Let the Poppers blow over, and unload and secure the gun every time one does so the RO can trot out and reset it. And hope they can get the entry done before one or more blow over again. And again. And again. And again.

(3) As has been done at other matches, just hard-set one piece of steel. Paint between shooters. Fast. Also Booooorrrrrrriiiiiiiinnnnngggggg.

Sometimes "fair" and "just get the match done before the sun goes down" are two different things.

So, pick "fair".

And maybe expect to shoot in the dark. :upeyes:

kyglockshooter 2.0
09-29-2012, 18:38
Well, lets list the options here.

(1) Exercise your Godly powers and ensure that the Poppers do not blow over.

(2) Let the Poppers blow over, and unload and secure the gun every time one does so the RO can trot out and reset it. And hope they can get the entry done before one or more blow over again. And again. And again. And again.

(3) As has been done at other matches, just hard-set one piece of steel. Paint between shooters. Fast. Also Booooorrrrrrriiiiiiiinnnnngggggg.

Sometimes "fair" and "just get the match done before the sun goes down" are two different things.

So, pick "fair".

And maybe expect to shoot in the dark. :upeyes:

Ha or take a long time wait till its dark paint the targets glow in the dark and its actually alot easier to pick up targets and since you are only able to focus on the sights and targets it may make you a better shooter since you don't have any variables

PM720
09-29-2012, 18:49
I think what Brian was referring too was WHICH one of the 3 poppers was used. I can't speak for the other M stages but on ours it was the closest one. I would assume this was the same for the others. In retrospect, it might have been more "fair" to use the middle one. :dunno:

Scott

bryandover
09-29-2012, 19:11
I think what Brian was referring too was WHICH one of the 3 poppers was used. I can't speak for the other M stages but on ours it was the closest one. I would assume this was the same for the others. In retrospect, it might have been more "fair" to use the middle one. :dunno:

Scott

At least someone understands. Depending on the level of the shooter it saved at least a quarter to a half of a second. I lost Master Stock by .08. Most matches that pin the steel usually start out that way and the steel is the same distance spread out wide not in a row further back.

Scott y not i :tongueout:

Glockrunner
09-29-2012, 19:28
I think what Brian was referring too was WHICH one of the 3 poppers was used. I can't speak for the other M stages but on ours it was the closest one. I would assume this was the same for the others. In retrospect, it might have been more "fair" to use the middle one. :dunno:

Scott

In Beckley we had the solid poppers and it was placed all the way to the rear with the paper.

As long as all the stages are set the same for a match, it really doesn't matter. I would think, when it is appearent the wind is going to be a factor, a GSSF Offical would take the responsibilty to go around and set them all the same.

Changing the stage design mid-stream is never a good thing but in some cases it has to be done; i.e. rain fall too.

SARDG
09-29-2012, 19:29
...Depending on the level of the shooter it saved at least a quarter to a half of a second. I lost Master Stock by .08. Most matches that pin the steel usually start out that way and the steel is the same distance spread out wide not in a row further back...
Either wide or deep, one pinned popper will offer some advantage over 3 falling, so once we went to wind rules that immediately gave those late shooters about......... um......... .08 seconds advantage. :crying: :embarassed:

And yes Scott, all M stages would be set the same or the unfair advantage outcry would be deafening. :supergrin:

James5m
09-29-2012, 19:31
Got a bit if a shock this afternoon. Got a envelope from GSSF...looks like I won a RO gun certificate from last week. Way too cool😊:supergrin:

SARDG
09-29-2012, 19:32
...Changing the stage design mid-stream is never a good thing but in some cases it has to be done; i.e. rain fall too.
Good point... if it rains, we bag the (paper) targets and I consider that a small disadvantage. (Think... Dawsonville)

GLW
09-29-2012, 21:46
[QUOTE=bryandover;19469125]At least someone understands. Depending on the level of the shooter it saved at least a quarter to a half of a second. I lost Master Stock by .08.



I agree that a better choice would have been to use the center popper. I would also hope that any decision to change the course of fire would be made by the GSSF match administrator and not a unilateral action by an individual RO. But if it eases your mind, I have it on good authority that you lost Master Stock to someone who also shot before the "wind rules" were put in place. :whistling:

Let me add that this was one of the most efficiently run and well organized matches that I've attended and my admiration and gratitude go to all the hard working staff and volunteers who make these matches possible.

SARDG
09-29-2012, 22:04
...I agree that a better choice would have been to use the center popper. I would also hope that any decision to change the course of fire would be made by the GSSF match administrator and not a unilateral action by an individual RO....
In this case... Chris Edwards and Mark Ramsey came by and reset the CoF.

PM720
09-29-2012, 22:12
At least someone understands. Depending on the level of the shooter it saved at least a quarter to a half of a second. I lost Master Stock by .08. Most matches that pin the steel usually start out that way and the steel is the same distance spread out wide not in a row further back.

Scott y not i :tongueout:

SORRY! :embarassed: Last time I come to your rescue though! :tongueout::rofl:

On another note, it was very impressive watching you and the other Masters shoot the challenge. :bowdown:

Scott

PM720
09-29-2012, 22:14
Got a bit if a shock this afternoon. Got a envelope from GSSF...looks like I won a RO gun certificate from last week. Way too cool😊:supergrin:

Yeah, we tried to get them to redraw but they said they could find you so... :crying::rofl:

Congratulations!

Scott

bryandover
09-30-2012, 01:41
[QUOTE=bryandover;19469125]At least someone understands. Depending on the level of the shooter it saved at least a quarter to a half of a second. I lost Master Stock by .08.



I agree that a better choice would have been to use the center popper. I would also hope that any decision to change the course of fire would be made by the GSSF match administrator and not a unilateral action by an individual RO. But if it eases your mind, I have it on good authority that you lost Master Stock to someone who also shot before the "wind rules" were put in place. :whistling:

I heard he works for FedEx? :tongueout::rofl: I mean UPS, just tring to make my point how close positions can be lost. I won Mayor Sub by .16 and you went to third by .17 but that doesn't sound as good as .08. :supergrin:

bryandover
09-30-2012, 01:45
SORRY! :embarassed: Last time I come to your rescue though! :tongueout::rofl:

On another note, it was very impressive watching you and the other Masters shoot the challenge. :bowdown:

Scott

Please keep my back and I wasn't very impressive that day. :faint:

misunderestimated
09-30-2012, 07:03
Got a bit if a shock this afternoon. Got a envelope from GSSF...looks like I won a RO gun certificate from last week. Way too cool😊:supergrin:

Congratulations

unclebob
09-30-2012, 08:02
So Jim that looks like you will be getting at least two guns from Conyers.

James5m
09-30-2012, 08:13
So Jim that looks like you will be getting at least two guns from Conyers.

At this point Bob. I just hope my 1st place in major sub holds up.

Noponer
09-30-2012, 09:05
At this point Bob. I just hope my 1st place in major sub holds up.

Congratulations, Jim.

I remember you.... you're the "tall, good-looking one" of the "Florida boys". (At least that's what you told me at Griffin.) :tongueout:

James5m
09-30-2012, 09:25
Congratulations, Jim.

I remember you.... you're the "tall, good-looking one" of the "Florida boys". (At least that's what you told me at Griffin.) :tongueout:

Thanks Ken
Your right on a couple points. I'm from Florida and I'm tall, not to sure about the good lookin. :dunno:

Butch
09-30-2012, 10:35
Here's a pic showing how the three pepper poppers were set up with a full sized popper in front, half sized in the middle, and the mini popper in the rear. I'm guessing the small one is about 40 feet out....a tough target with a G26 in a fast match.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Gunny%20Challenge%20Match/2012%20Conyers/Poppers.jpg

Getting our 'checks':
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Gunny%20Challenge%20Match/2012%20Conyers/DSC01571.jpg

My son shooting with Gunny:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Gunny%20Challenge%20Match/2012%20Conyers/DSC01577.jpg

This video is the third string of the final round between Justin and I. As you can see, I missed that little popper with my first shot, and apparently, Justin didn't:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Gunny%20Challenge%20Match/2012%20Conyers/?action=view&current=MOV01557.mp4

This short video is the fifth string of the final round between Justin and I....did I mention that this was a fast match? :)
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Gunny%20Challenge%20Match/2012%20Conyers/?action=view&current=MOV01550.mp4

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Gunny%20Challenge%20Match/2012%20Conyers/DSC01589.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/ButchG17/Gunny%20Challenge%20Match/2012%20Conyers/DSC01573-1.jpg