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okie
09-21-2012, 19:41
Who here has a turntable and listens to vinyl on a regular basis? I hope to one day in the near future get a turntable again:thumbsup:

czsmithGT
09-21-2012, 19:46
My ears are too old to tell the difference so I converted all my vinyl to digital audio files a couple years ago and put the files on my computer & mp3 player. Got rid of the turntable and records.

skew12
09-21-2012, 19:47
I've been thinking about picking some up myself. Gun money keeps getting in the way though.

GAFinch
09-21-2012, 19:47
No, it's for hipsters.

milje
09-21-2012, 19:50
No, it's for hipsters.

I don't think hipsters would have my collection. Mostly Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Joe Walsh and Johnny Cash.


And the Safety Dance single :whistling:

ithaca_deerslayer
09-21-2012, 20:04
I had about 70 LP records (albums), then my last needle died and I started to buy CD's. I gave all those records away in 1995 to a guy who was still listening to vinyl.

Some of the ones I miss are Hendrix, Zeppelin, CSNY, Joplin, Floyd, and Tull. Some specific albums that I haven't replaced yet from those bands.

Some of the Hendrix stuff I might not find on CD.

tglahn17
09-21-2012, 20:22
No, it's for hipsters.

That makes me a hipster for the last 30 years and counting.

Snaps
09-21-2012, 20:30
I can honestly say I've never heard a record played

Half-Breed
09-21-2012, 20:35
I can honestly say I've never heard a record played

:wow:

rayetter
09-21-2012, 20:40
I have foreigner 4 on vinyl, its my favorite. I have others but my turntable broke years ago.

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Padre
09-22-2012, 00:08
While I was in Bangkok in July I was walking through a mall and heard Norah Jones. I came across a little shop with some EXCELLENT audio gear. VERY expensive turntable, tube amps and phenominal speakers. Walked in, smiled at the owner and said "Norah Jones". He smiled and asked "so you know her music?". Replied "of course, I have that album, it was her first one". He had a nice couch in front of the speakers. I asked him if I could sit and listen for a few. He said "of course".
Sat there and listened to a couple of her songs and had to leave (unfortunately). Thanked him and left.
I sure miss good audio equipment even though my old ears have a hard time with the high notes (too much gunfire).
Those who have never listened to "good audio" don't know what they are missing (IMHO) :cool:

Batesmotel
09-22-2012, 00:12
I still run vinyl and even coke 78s.

Vinyl is far from dead and some of the best turntables ever are being made today.

glock_19guy1983
09-22-2012, 00:43
I can honestly say I've never heard a record played

How old are you? Im only 29 and can remember my parents still using vinyl up until I left home. I can only guess what my mom was into during college, Lots of pink floyd albums.

Peace Warrior
09-22-2012, 00:53
Got some of my Grandpa's old 78 LPs and the turntable. The hank williams stuff has to be worth some money by now, but it's too sentimental to me.

My old personally bought albums are all in storage. I guess a few select of them are worth something by now as well.

Snaps
09-22-2012, 00:54
33, they had a cassette player. I also recall a bunch of records being in the house, but the record player never worked and I guess once tapes were big they never cared about replacing the outdated eqpt. Kind like my CD player died, I never bought a new one

glock_19guy1983
09-22-2012, 01:00
33, they had a cassette player. I also recall a bunch of records being in the house, my the record player never worked and I guess once tapes were big they never cared about replacing the outdated eqpt. Kind like my CD player died, I never bought a new one

I can understand that. The cd player in my truck has never had a cd in it. so much easier to keep my music on an Ipod and play it through the Aux port.

Snaps
09-22-2012, 01:01
mine either. It's a CD/DVD/hard drive that's never even seen a dvd. I uploaded everyting to the hard drive and just leave it like that.

southernshooter
09-22-2012, 02:59
I have one of those antique looking, but modern, wood boxed players. Plays cassette, vinyl or cd. Works pretty good.

Clutch Cargo
09-22-2012, 03:07
I can honestly say I've never heard a record played

I can honestly say you've never heard music the way it was designed to be heard. The purity of analog recordings on virgin vinyl is breathtaking when played on proper equipment (tube electronics).

Get your tail to a high end audio (NOT home theater) store ASAP!

Hickock45-4president
09-22-2012, 04:40
My Dad gave away hundreds of records a few years back. Man if I had only known!!? I just bought a Bob Dylan album for $28! It'll take me 50 years to acquire all the great albums that all you old dudes gave away! Lol

Theres something really cool and interesting about vinyl.. Its a bit pricey if you're going to do it right, for those of you who are thinking about getting Into it. Just the stylus can run hundreds of dollars. Then the preamp(mine is Hafler?), cartridge, etc... totally worth it though.

Ours was left to us by my father in law. Some super high end turn-table system. I've personally always had very nice sound for my home theatre, but I had no idea that anything could sound that good. It's rich and warm and I can't imagine anything sounding better. Too bad he had such bad taste in music : )
All sounds like an old porn soundtrack!

BAILIFF
09-22-2012, 09:40
Vinyl?? Pfft....

http://i.imgur.com/8u3gt.png

BSA70
09-22-2012, 09:46
I'm 42, Seems I came into remebering music with the records and 8 tracks fading out. I remember most used cars had 8 track players.

Cassettes moved to cd. I remeber folks buying music cd for around $50. Man that was crazy!

bds

vikingsoftpaw
09-22-2012, 10:10
No, it's for hipsters.

We grew up on vinyl. Youngsters never had it. It's in vogue now.

I can honestly say I've never heard a record played

Ahhhh....the random snap and crackle of the needle hitting dust particles on the records groove.

We call it noise and interference.
Hipsters call it warmth and authenticity.

tous
09-22-2012, 10:13
:mememe:

<--- old hipster

Bullman
09-22-2012, 10:16
I was in Walhell the other day and saw that they were selling devices that had turntables on them where you could turn your records into Mp3 files. I would really like to have that because I have some stuff on vinyl that I will probably never find on CD. I still have records, I still have a working turntable,(dj quality good one too) but I rarely listen to the records anymore.

okie
09-22-2012, 10:16
Vinyl?? Pfft....

http://i.imgur.com/8u3gt.png

8 track didn't sound good though my friend:supergrin:

tous
09-22-2012, 10:21
okie, we didn't care if 8-track sounded good in the car, just that it wasn't the local Top 40 AM radio station.

Bullman
09-22-2012, 10:31
The thing I didn't like about 8 track is that it was inevitable that at least one song on the tape got split up between tracks.

tous
09-22-2012, 10:48
The thing I didn't like about 8 track is that it was inevitable that at least one song on the tape got split up between tracks.

But, it was better than the AM jock talking over the beginning and end of every song and all those commercials! Ai, yi yi!

Clutch Cargo
09-22-2012, 12:47
Who here has a turntable and listens to vinyl on a regular basis? I hope to one day in the near future get a turntable again:thumbsup:

okie, I collect vinyl albums which comprise roughly 80% of my music collection. On a daily basis, I play at least one of my 740 (give or take) albums.

Vast quantities of great music were and never will be on CD. In the case of MANY analog nonaural recordings, it's for the better. Nothing is more audibly assaulting than taking a wonderful monaural recording and having an gineer turn in into a "simulated stereo" recording. A work of art designed by songwriters, musicians, producers, and engineers


I had about 70 LP records (albums), then my last needle died and I started to buy CD's. I gave all those records away in 1995 to a guy who was still listening to vinyl.

Some of the ones I miss are Hendrix, Zeppelin, CSNY, Joplin, Floyd, and Tull. Some specific albums that I haven't replaced yet from those bands.

Some of the Hendrix stuff I might not find on CD.

I still run vinyl and even coke 78s.

Vinyl is far from dead and some of the best turntables ever are being made today.

My Dad gave away hundreds of records a few years back. Man if I had only known!!? I just bought a Bob Dylan album for $28! It'll take me 50 years to acquire all the great albums that all you old dudes gave away! Lol

Theres something really cool and interesting about vinyl.. Its a bit pricey if you're going to do it right, for those of you who are thinking about getting Into it. Just the stylus can run hundreds of dollars. Then the preamp(mine is Hafler?), cartridge, etc... totally worth it though.

Ours was left to us by my father in law. Some super high end turn-table system. I've personally always had very nice sound for my home theatre, but I had no idea that anything could sound that good. It's rich and warm and I can't imagine anything sounding better. Too bad he had such bad taste in music : )
All sounds like an old porn soundtrack!

mike from st pe
09-22-2012, 12:56
I want that big ten inch record of the band that plays the blues.
I have no top end audiophile electronics and I still get out the old chestnuts and spin an LP or three.
If that makes me a "hipster" well then my orthopedic surgeon replaced both of them, hips that is.

Highspeedlane
09-22-2012, 13:04
If you survived the 60's and 70's then you remember all music was on vinyl 33 1/3 or 45's and television reception was only as good as you were able to adjust the rabbit ears.

Miss those days...

Bullman
09-22-2012, 15:57
But, it was better than the AM jock talking over the beginning and end of every song and all those commercials! Ai, yi yi!

Quoted for the truth

janice6
09-22-2012, 16:04
We have Al Jolsen, Mario Lanza, and many more from the first "record" days.


"Over Their" is quite a song too.

turretg
09-22-2012, 16:39
I can honestly say I've never heard a record played


With all respect you should give yourself the opportunity, the difference in fullness(dynamic range) and warmth on a quality stylus and amp is amazing compared to cold, thin and brittle digital.

okie
09-22-2012, 17:48
okie, we didn't care if 8-track sounded good in the car, just that it wasn't the local Top 40 AM radio station.

Well there is that, Doug:supergrin:

okie
09-22-2012, 17:49
okie, I collect vinyl albums which comprise roughly 80% of my music collection. On a daily basis, I play at least one of my 740 (give or take) albums.

Vast quantities of great music were and never will be on CD. In the case of MANY analog nonaural recordings, it's for the better. Nothing is more audibly assaulting than taking a wonderful monaural recording and having an gineer turn in into a "simulated stereo" recording. A work of art designed by songwriters, musicians, producers, and engineers

That is so kool my friend:thumbsup:

Blast
09-23-2012, 01:36
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OsiuAFSe2H8/T7krF-heK4I/AAAAAAAAALo/hUrbjG8jvAI/s1600/snap-crackle-pop-2008.jpg

Record Scratch WITH download link - YouTube

Monty Python Record Skip - YouTube


Vinyl is a PITA.:whistling:

Blast
09-23-2012, 04:38
Hey okie:thumbsup:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kaQx56YjxPo/TMC65e5k0KI/AAAAAAAAAok/bsh609b4dZY/s1600/GramRender11.jpg

Gramophone playing The third man theme - YouTube

Atlas
09-23-2012, 05:35
okie, we didn't care if 8-track sounded good in the car, just that it wasn't the local Top 40 AM radio station.

Yep !!!!!!!!

In those dark days before cars had tape players from the factory I made dating money installing them for other kids.

Trew2Life
09-23-2012, 07:18
This thread made me feel old and sad because I too am guilty of having a storage filled with albums and 45's (the vinyl .. not the caliber). The digital age is just so much more convenient. I asked my kid if he knew what a record is. He said, "7 to 12 with time off for good behavior."

okie
09-23-2012, 07:30
Hey okie:thumbsup:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kaQx56YjxPo/TMC65e5k0KI/AAAAAAAAAok/bsh609b4dZY/s1600/GramRender11.jpg

Gramophone playing The third man theme - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx02oTgfxVU)

That's a tad too old, Blast:supergrin:

eracer
09-23-2012, 07:52
I don't think hipsters would have my collection. Mostly Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, Joe Walsh and Johnny Cash.


And the Safety Dance single :whistling:All available on CD, which (except for the cracks and pops) sound as good or better than vinyl.

There are hipsters of every flavor. Those who believe in the superior fidelity of vinyl (or oxygen-free silver conductor interconnect wiring, 'tuned' wood resonance blocks, $1000 NEMA power cables, or any of that other 'audiophile' crap) are only fools waiting (practically begging) to be separated from their money.

There are some audio parts and pieces that benefit from the amount of cash thrown at them, but high-dollar, suspended-in-oil turntables with sub-gram tracking arms designed to maximize the accuracy of the little wavy analog grooves in a vinyl record are not one of those things (unless it's to reduce the chance of the tonearm skipping its way across the platter when Geezer hits the low notes on 'Symptom of the Universe.'

But hey, it's your money. And I must admit that the album art looks much cooler when it's 10" x 10" than 5" x 5".

RDW
09-23-2012, 14:08
We have Al Jolsen, Mario Lanza, and many more from the first "record" days.


"Over Their" THERE is quite a song too.


Fixed it.

2bgop
09-23-2012, 18:49
I had never even heard a vinyl record played until about 3 years ago.

ChuteTheMall
09-23-2012, 18:57
How many grooves does the average 33 1/3 rpm vinyl record have?
:headscratch:

ithaca_deerslayer
09-23-2012, 19:00
How many grooves does the average 33 1/3 rpm vinyl record have?
:headscratch:

One, unless it is broken into smaller grooves by bad scratches.

ithaca_deerslayer
09-23-2012, 19:01
Did anyone else make cassette copies of records to listen to in the car, like I did?

Goldendog Redux
09-23-2012, 20:13
Did anyone else make cassette copies of records to listen to in the car, like I did?

First thing I did when I got home from the record store. When I was old enough to drive that is.

THEPOPE
09-23-2012, 20:27
Did anyone else make cassette copies of records to listen to in the car, like I did?

'twas me, mon frere, I played most of my vinyl once to preserve their sound, I still play those cassette tapes, and on occasion, listen to albums....

I had to play Zep for my son, with a set of good head-phones, the same songs he has in some music from an i-pod (?) with earbuds....he understood, then.

I am Out looking at album covers....ooo...a seed...:cool:

Averageman
09-23-2012, 20:32
I had almost 400 albums when I joined the Army. Alas all were lost to my brothers and sisters, all the way back to "Meet the Beatles" in mono.

Batesmotel
09-24-2012, 00:06
Vinyl?? Pfft....

http://i.imgur.com/8u3gt.png

I got that beat. My first car had a 4 track under-dash.

Like 8 track but mono.

tglahn17
09-24-2012, 03:28
How many grooves does the average 33 1/3 rpm vinyl record have?
:headscratch:

2; 1 on each side.

Blast
09-24-2012, 04:26
If the groove of one side of a typical LP album were measured beginning to end, how long would it be?:headscratch:

ithaca_deerslayer
09-24-2012, 06:18
2; 1 on each side.

Oh yeah, forgot about the other side :)

eracer
09-24-2012, 06:24
One, unless it is broken into smaller grooves by bad scratches.Nice comeback.

czsmithGT
09-24-2012, 07:09
If the groove of one side of a typical LP album were measured beginning to end, how long would it be?:headscratch:

about 1500 feet would be typical

ChuteTheMall
09-24-2012, 07:42
Did anyone else make cassette copies of records to listen to in the car, like I did?

Yep, but I also taped entire albums off the FM radio, even some live concerts from programs such as the King Biscuit Flower Hour.
:music:

Peace Warrior
09-24-2012, 08:40
Yep, but I also taped entire albums off the FM radio, even some live concerts from programs such as the King Biscuit Flower Hour.
:music:
Me too.

I cassette taped AC-DC's, TNT album, over the radio. I was a sophomore in High School. My friends and I wore that tape out until we buy the album locally.

ChuteTheMall
09-24-2012, 09:45
about 1500 feet would be typical

I'll be right back, I'm gonna get a spool of thread and an LP, and check this out.
:yawn:

Bullman
09-24-2012, 11:24
Did anyone else make cassette copies of records to listen to in the car, like I did?

Oh yes, I made many a cassette. Not only just the album though, I was a master at scouring through my collection, looking at playtimes for songs to find that one piece of music I could use at the end of the side for "filler" so I wouldn't have any blank tape while the sides switched.

Peace Warrior
09-25-2012, 06:31
Vinyl?? Pfft....

http://i.imgur.com/8u3gt.png
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

BAILIFF
09-25-2012, 17:07
I am Out looking at album covers....ooo...a seed...:cool:

http://i.imgur.com/3jbQh.jpg

engineer151515
09-26-2012, 06:10
I can honestly say I've never heard a record played

Nice. :rofl::supergrin:

jtull7
09-28-2012, 18:02
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t107/jtull8/s375194.jpg

My first record. 1958.

For all you youths, in the late '50's and early '60's, most record stores had a huge rack of the newest 45's. They also had about ten or so listening booths. You could pick the 45 you wanted and take it to the listening booth, listen to it, and decide whether or not you wanted to buy it. 99 cents if you did. Long gone days.

Mister Clean
09-28-2012, 20:51
Okie,

I listen to vinyl.
My current collection:

- 355 vinyl 33-1/3 rpm LP's
- 98 vinyl 45 rpm records
- 48 vinyl reel-to-reel tapes

The "snap, pop, crackle" experience that plagues many potential and former vinyl lovers can be (and has been) avoided by 3 simple steps:

1) Handling vinyl by the edges only (i.e. not touching the section where the grooves are located).

2) Keeping the vinyl clean (i.e. don't leave it lying around for days on end in the open, don't expose your vinyl to a smoke filled room, use a "zerostat gun" to eliminate static electricity, replace all of the paper inner sleeves with archival quality "lint-free" sleeves). And cleaning your vinyl when (and if) it is dirty.

3) Using a "reasonably high quality" turntable and cartridge (e.g. while one can spend upwards of many thousands of dollars on the sound-reproduction "front-end", that is not a requirement . . . just use a reasonably affordable turntable and cartridge, and keep them clean and set to the proper anti-skate and cartridge weight settings). Get the appropriate help if you do not know how to do this, it only needs to be done once after changing to a new cartridge, so it is not that big a deal.

It is really that simple: keep the vinyl clean, keep the turntable/cartridge clean and set-up properly, and sit back and enjoy.

And now for the particulars:

[NOTE: obviously not all of this will be in use at the same time, but it is what I have on hand to choose from.)

SPEAKERS: Main = two 1976 Klipsch "Klipschorns"
Center = one 2005 Klipsch "Belle"
Rear = two 1979 Klipsch "LaScalas"

AMPLIFIERS: Welborne Moondogs 2A3 SET mono tube amplifier(s) x 2
Scott 299B integrated stereo tube pre-amp/amplifier
McIntosh MC 30 mono tube amplifier(s) x 3
McIntosh MC 2105 stereo solid state amplifier
McIntosh MAC 1900 integrated stereo solid state receiver pre-/amp/tuner
EICO HF-81 integrated stereo tube pre-amp/amplifier(s) x 2
EICO HF-87 stereo tube amplifier

PRE-AMPLIFIER: Cary SLP-94 stereo tube pre-amplifier with remote control
McIntosh MX 110 integrated stereo tube pre-amplifier/tuner
McIntosh C26 solid state pre-amplifier
EICO HF-85 stereo tube pre-amplifier(s) x 2

CD PLAYER: AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 tubed output stage
24-bit/192kHz TjoUpsampler board

VINYL: VPI HW-19jr turntable + too many cartridges to keep track of . . .
VPI HW-17 LP record cleaner

TAPE PLAYER: ReVox B-77 Reel-to-Reel

okie
09-28-2012, 21:03
Okie,

I listen to vinyl.
My current collection:

- 355 vinyl 33-1/3 rpm LP's
- 98 vinyl 45 rpm records
- 48 vinyl reel-to-reel tapes

The "snap, pop, crackle" experience that plaques many potential and former vinyl lovers can be (and has been) avoided by 3 simple steps:

1) Handling vinyl by the edges only (i.e. not touching the section where the grooves are located).

2) Keeping the vinyl clean (i.e. don't leave it lying around for days on end in the open, don't expose your vinyl to a smoke filled room, use a "zerostat gun" to eliminate static electricity, replace all of the paper inner sleeves with archival quality "lint-free" sleeves). And cleaning your vinyl when (and if) it is dirty.

3) Using a "reasonably high quality" turntable and cartridge (e.g. while one can spend upwards of many thousands of dollars on the sound-reproduction "front-end", that is not a requirement . . . just use a reasonably affordable turntable and cartridge, and keep them clean and set to the proper anti-skate and cartridge weight settings). Get the appropriate help if you do not know how to do this, it only needs to be done once after changing to a new cartridge, so it is not that big a deal.

It is really that simple: keep the vinyl clean, keep the turntable/cartridge clean and set-up properly, and sit back and enjoy.

And now for the particulars:

[NOTE: obviously not all of this will be in use at the same time, but it is what I have on hand to choose from.)

SPEAKERS: Main = two 1976 Klipsch "Klipschorns"
Center = one 2005 Klipsch "Belle"
Rear = two 1979 Klipsch "LaScalas"

AMPLIFIERS: Welborne Moondogs 2A3 SET mono tube amplifier(s) x 2
Scott 299B integrated stereo tube pre-amp/amplifier
McIntosh MC 30 mono tube amplifier(s) x 3
McIntosh MC 2105 stereo solid state amplifier
McIntosh MAC 1900 integrated stereo solid state receiver pre-/amp/tuner
EICO HF-81 integrated stereo tube pre-amp/amplifier(s) x 2
EICO HF-87 stereo tube amplifier

PRE-AMPLIFIER: Cary SLP-94 stereo tube pre-amplifier with remote control
McIntosh MX 110 integrated stereo tube pre-amplifier/tuner
McIntosh C26 solid state pre-amplifier
EICO HF-85 stereo tube pre-amplifier(s) x 2

CD PLAYER: AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 tubed output stage
24-bit/192kHz TjoUpsampler board

VINYL: VPI HW-19jr turntable + too many cartridges to keep track of . . .
VPI HW-17 LP record cleaner

TAPE PLAYER: ReVox B-77 Reel-to-ReelThanks for the tips my friend, I would love to hear your system, may I move in with you:supergrin:

tous
09-29-2012, 06:26
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t107/jtull8/s375194.jpg

My first record. 1958.

For all you youths, in the late '50's and early '60's, most record stores had a huge rack of the newest 45's. They also had about ten or so listening booths. You could pick the 45 you wanted and take it to the listening booth, listen to it, and decide whether or not you wanted to buy it. 99 cents if you did. Long gone days.

Mine was The Ballad of Wyatt Earp from the Hugh O'Brien TV series. My sister and I shared a portable record player. Well, not shared exactly. She's older and whenever I was playing my beloved Wyattt Earp 45, she would walk in, unplug the record player, remove my record, go to her room and substitute quality TV themes with Running Bear played a much volume. :upeyes:

Yes, Running Bear loved Little White Dove, but Wyatt Earp was brave, courageous and bold.

Padre
09-29-2012, 08:29
Okie,

TAPE PLAYER: ReVox B-77 Reel-to-Reel

Always wanted a B-77. Admired (drooled over) them at the Audio Club in Germany when I was active duty. Just couldn't pull the trigger ($$$).
VERY nice setup...very nice!

MtBaldy
09-29-2012, 09:30
Bottom line is CDs sound better than vinyl, always. Early CDs were often created from vinyl masters with no attempt at remastering. Modern CDs are often mastered by engineers trying to recreate the DJ club sound, so of course they sound awful. Fact is CDs offer better performance on almost every measurable specification. The real clue is vinyl afficionados resort to using subjective non-specific descriptions like "warmth", and "feel" to describe the supposed benefits of vinyl. The difficulty is in finding well mastered CDs. Some music will probably sound better through a high end vinyl system than any available CD version. I had high end turntables, or maybe mid range, throughout the 1960s and 1970s. I gladly gave them up once CDs became popular and in fact shelled out $1,000.00 for one of Denon's first high end CD players in the mid 1980s. It's also interesting to note that most supposed "golden ear" audiophiles prefer CDs over vinyl when put to double blind listening tests using comparably mastered CDs and vinyl recordings played on similar equipment. Vinyl died for a reason. It's current resurgence is a fad driven by nostalgia and a desire to be different/superior. It will also die out as all fads do.

.264 magnum
09-29-2012, 10:10
Okie,

I listen to vinyl.
My current collection:

- 355 vinyl 33-1/3 rpm LP's
- 98 vinyl 45 rpm records
- 48 vinyl reel-to-reel tapes

The "snap, pop, crackle" experience that plagues many potential and former vinyl lovers can be (and has been) avoided by 3 simple steps:

1) Handling vinyl by the edges only (i.e. not touching the section where the grooves are located).

2) Keeping the vinyl clean (i.e. don't leave it lying around for days on end in the open, don't expose your vinyl to a smoke filled room, use a "zerostat gun" to eliminate static electricity, replace all of the paper inner sleeves with archival quality "lint-free" sleeves). And cleaning your vinyl when (and if) it is dirty.

3) Using a "reasonably high quality" turntable and cartridge (e.g. while one can spend upwards of many thousands of dollars on the sound-reproduction "front-end", that is not a requirement . . . just use a reasonably affordable turntable and cartridge, and keep them clean and set to the proper anti-skate and cartridge weight settings). Get the appropriate help if you do not know how to do this, it only needs to be done once after changing to a new cartridge, so it is not that big a deal.

It is really that simple: keep the vinyl clean, keep the turntable/cartridge clean and set-up properly, and sit back and enjoy.

And now for the particulars:

[NOTE: obviously not all of this will be in use at the same time, but it is what I have on hand to choose from.)

SPEAKERS: Main = two 1976 Klipsch "Klipschorns"
Center = one 2005 Klipsch "Belle"
Rear = two 1979 Klipsch "LaScalas"

AMPLIFIERS: Welborne Moondogs 2A3 SET mono tube amplifier(s) x 2
Scott 299B integrated stereo tube pre-amp/amplifier
McIntosh MC 30 mono tube amplifier(s) x 3
McIntosh MC 2105 stereo solid state amplifier
McIntosh MAC 1900 integrated stereo solid state receiver pre-/amp/tuner
EICO HF-81 integrated stereo tube pre-amp/amplifier(s) x 2
EICO HF-87 stereo tube amplifier

PRE-AMPLIFIER: Cary SLP-94 stereo tube pre-amplifier with remote control
McIntosh MX 110 integrated stereo tube pre-amplifier/tuner
McIntosh C26 solid state pre-amplifier
EICO HF-85 stereo tube pre-amplifier(s) x 2

CD PLAYER: AH! Njoe Tjoeb 4000 tubed output stage
24-bit/192kHz TjoUpsampler board

VINYL: VPI HW-19jr turntable + too many cartridges to keep track of . . .
VPI HW-17 LP record cleaner

TAPE PLAYER: ReVox B-77 Reel-to-Reel


Dude you have the bug as badly as I do.

I tend to kick it new school as I'm lazy.

Front end:
Ed Meitner CD/SACD player
or-
Mac with Amurra v2.4.2 + custom made re-clocker + Musical Fidelity X-DAC V8 modded

Power:
Cary Audio SLI-80 modded hard and I use old school EL-34 tube in class-A almost always

or-

MacCormack Audio MAP-1 into dual mono-Llano hybrid amps (SET voltage gain, MOSFET current gain) ~275 WPC biased for 80 or so into class-A they produce far more heat than the Cary above so I reserve them for winter listen mostly.

Speakers:
REL subs 2
Spendor S5e 100% re-worked crossovers
or-
Thiel CS2.4SE
or-
Triangle Antal Se

I have a few headphone amps and the Cary has a spectacular sounding 'phone out capabilities. I have Grado GS1000i and modded RS2is that I like more. The GS1000i will be on the block soon.

.264 magnum
09-29-2012, 10:45
Bottom line is CDs sound better than vinyl, always. Early CDs were often created from vinyl masters with no attempt at remastering. Modern CDs are often mastered by engineers trying to recreate the DJ club sound, so of course they sound awful. Fact is CDs offer better performance on almost every measurable specification. The real clue is vinyl afficionados resort to using subjective non-specific descriptions like "warmth", and "feel" to describe the supposed benefits of vinyl. The difficulty is in finding well mastered CDs. Some music will probably sound better through a high end vinyl system than any available CD version. I had high end turntables, or maybe mid range, throughout the 1960s and 1970s. I gladly gave them up once CDs became popular and in fact shelled out $1,000.00 for one of Denon's first high end CD players in the mid 1980s. It's also interesting to note that most supposed "golden ear" audiophiles prefer CDs over vinyl when put to double blind listening tests using comparably mastered CDs and vinyl recordings played on similar equipment. Vinyl died for a reason. It's current resurgence is a fad driven by nostalgia and a desire to be different/superior. It will also die out as all fads do.

That's a great post and I'm not a vinyl guy - FWIIW.

1. Are you sure about the CD v. vinyl double blind test thing - I've never heard of that before?

2. Vinyl never died. It just went very quiet for a number of years in terms of sales. Lots of bands continued to issue albums on vinyl all along.

3. Some think vinyl isn't so bad. Sony stopped recording vinyl over to CD for archival purposes more than a decade ago.

4. Early CDs sounded like KGB torture tests for a number of reasons. I've become convinced that an overlooked issue was poor replication. Early players did things wrong as well. Everyone in the business has spent the last 30 years figuring out way to fix the CD brick wall filter problem and artifacts from error correction - upsampling and over sampling basically saved the medium IMO. One of the worst sounding CDs I've ever had is the great Cars album Candy-O. I can play the CD through my Meitner CDSA - SE and it sound really good. I can play the same disc on my older Denon 2900 and it sounds like crap. I record the disc into my MAC and play iy back through my computer set-up and it sounds like magic.

Here's the problem. A guy I know a bit down the road has a Walker Prosconium II turntable (or whatever the model is called) with a number of arms and cartridges and a Walker phono pre-amp. We can, except for a dB issue because the TT rig has less gain and timing issue hoping from one medium to another, A/B his tt-rig against my Meitner and or my Apple/re-clocker/DAC computer rig easily through his pre-amp.

We've set this up twice and everyone has picked the analogue rig as tops in sound. Including me. I think the slightly rolled off top end is appealing to almost all human beings. I also believe that bass through a great analogue rig, like the guy's I know, is significantly preferable to digital.

Now the problem is doing TTs really right is hugely expensive and requires great ongoing care. Great digital does not.

That guy's analogue rig all in with table, phono amp, arms and cartridges is north of $150K. My MAC and Amurra software + re-clocker + DAC totaled less than $4K.

janice6
09-29-2012, 13:21
Fixed it.



My original post was wrong. My apologies, stupid mistake. (However, your post still has it in the incorrect form)



Oh, about skipping. Some of the better turntables would turn in a vertical plane and still play without jumping the groove.

Buki192327
09-29-2012, 16:13
When I was a kid, vinyl was the only way to get music. OMG, I'm old. :rofl: :faint:

tous
09-29-2012, 16:48
When I was a kid, vinyl was the only way to get music. OMG, I'm old. :rofl: :faint:

And, it was monaural to boot.
Yes, you are old.

:wavey:

Magnus2131
09-29-2012, 16:54
I play mine all the time and still have a working 8 track.

Clutch Cargo
09-30-2012, 06:14
Did anyone else make cassette copies of records to listen to in the car, like I did?

On a Nakamichi Dragon!

Clutch Cargo
09-30-2012, 06:18
Music how it was made:

http://991.com/newGallery/Jefferson-Airplane-Surrealistic-Pill-166871.jpg

http://www.waddingtons.ca/auctions/6september2007p/480/0358.jpg

okie
09-30-2012, 06:31
On a Nakamichi Dragon!

Those were as good as they got my friend:alex::faint:

Clutch Cargo
09-30-2012, 07:19
Those were as good as they got my friend:alex::faint:

Amen, okie.

MtBaldy
09-30-2012, 07:34
On a Nakamichi Dragon!

Had an Advent 201 cassette deck circa 1972.:

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b20/wscott52/Advent_201_cassette_deck.jpg

Clutch Cargo
09-30-2012, 22:19
MtBaldy - that Advent was studio quality equipment

Magnus2131
09-30-2012, 22:34
http://www.waddingtons.ca/auctions/6september2007p/480/0358.jpg Rare cover.

Magnus2131
09-30-2012, 22:39
Used to have one of these.
http://vintageelectronics.betamaxcollectors.com/akai8-trackrecordermodelgxr-82d.html

That's all Brother
09-30-2012, 23:10
Okie,
Still a lot of us vinyl collectors out here.
I still have the same audio equipment I had right out of HS.
My wife still has hers.
She has the Sansui and a Technics SL 3200.Mine is the Kenwood with a Technics SL 1300. We both have the same set of Advent speakers. All are still working and soud pretty good to my old ears.

My collection has about 250 33's and about 100 45's. We still listen to them on a regular basis.

Lone_Wolfe
10-01-2012, 01:42
On a Nakamichi Dragon!

I was starting to think I'm the only person who still has one of these! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I still have an RX-505, too. :faint:

okie
10-01-2012, 07:12
Okie,
Still a lot of us vinyl collectors out here.
I still have the same audio equipment I had right out of HS.
My wife still has hers.
She has the Sansui and a Technics SL 3200.Mine is the Kenwood with a Technics SL 1300. We both have the same set of Advent speakers. All are still working and soud pretty good to my old ears.

My collection has about 250 33's and about 100 45's. We still listen to them on a regular basis.

Way kool set up my friend:supergrin:

okie
10-01-2012, 07:14
I was starting to think I'm the only person who still has one of these! :rofl: :rofl:

I still have an RX-505, too. :faint:

Damn, you have a Nakamichi Dragon Sweetheart:alex::smootchie::faint:

MtBaldy
10-01-2012, 07:21
MtBaldy - that Advent was studio quality equipment

They definitely wanted to prove a point with it. The Wollensak drive it used was nearly bullet proof.

Clutch Cargo
10-01-2012, 14:10
When I was a kid, vinyl was the only way to get music. OMG, I'm old. :rofl: :faint:

Analog on vinyl still is the only way to get music for some of us.

http://www.econesting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/beatles-all-you-need-is-love1.jpg

Clutch Cargo
10-01-2012, 14:12
Damn, you have a Nakamichi Dragon Sweetheart:alex::smootchie::faint:

:wavey::wavey:

Clutch Cargo
10-01-2012, 14:15
Rare cover.

Thank you. The unpeeled cover is the best example I ever bought to prove to my father that rock and roll can be a great investment.
Now if I only had some "Sun" label records.

Clutch Cargo
10-01-2012, 14:18
Used to have one of these.
http://vintageelectronics.betamaxcollectors.com/akai8-trackrecordermodelgxr-82d.html

Akai was top quality equipment. I wonder if they got bought-out?

Clutch Cargo
10-01-2012, 14:20
I have some Nautilus/MFSL/Japanese vinyl I'd love to hear at this guy's home:


http://img.hgtv.com/HGTV/2010/12/20/HMDRS102_Rm8-million-dollar-home-theater-2045_s4x3_lg.jpg

Clutch Cargo
10-01-2012, 14:25
Or hear them here:


http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/6-million-theater.jpg

GIockGuy24
10-01-2012, 16:40
I copy a lot of my records, about 50/50 LP's and 45's, to 8-track so I can listen to them in the car. I have a Pioneer under dash 8-track player so I can take it out and reinstall it when I buy new cars.

If you copy records to digital, go CD quality. MP3 is a compressed format. No audiophile would go for that, even if their ears get too old to tell the difference. Same reason they buy expensive stereo equipment.

Buki192327
10-01-2012, 17:13
When I was a kid, vinyl was the only way to get music. OMG, I'm old. :rofl: :faint:

And, it was monaural to boot.
Yes, you are old.

:wavey:

Right on all counts:supergrin: :wavey:.

crimsonaudio
10-01-2012, 17:52
I like vinyl. The crosstalk and distortions it presents are generally quite pleasing.

Clutch Cargo
10-01-2012, 23:21
I copy a lot of my records, about 50/50 LP's and 45's, to 8-track so I can listen to them in the car. I have a Pioneer under dash 8-track player so I can take it out and reinstall it when I buy new cars.

If you copy records to digital, go CD quality. MP3 is a compressed format. No audiophile would go for that, even if their ears get too old to tell the difference. Same reason they buy expensive stereo equipment.

8 track is a few years away for the Fonz, but I can dig it.

http://www.thesoupergirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/fonzie.jpg

okie
10-02-2012, 06:56
I have some Nautilus/MFSL/Japanese vinyl I'd love to hear at this guy's home:


http://img.hgtv.com/HGTV/2010/12/20/HMDRS102_Rm8-million-dollar-home-theater-2045_s4x3_lg.jpg

Damn:alex::faint:

okie
10-02-2012, 06:57
Or hear them here:


http://www.slipperybrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/6-million-theater.jpg

Damn:alex::faint:

Jay9928
10-02-2012, 07:54
Carla wouldn't approve. She thinks it's dumb to spend $600 on an LP.

Carla's right. Why didn't you just spend $13 on a CD, man?

Well, first of all, it's because I'm a Beatlemaniac. And second, these sound better.


From a movie :supergrin:

Clutch Cargo
10-02-2012, 08:03
Carla wouldn't approve. She thinks it's dumb to spend $600 on an LP.

Carla's right. Why didn't you just spend $13 on a CD, man?

Well, first of all, it's because I'm a Beatlemaniac. And second, these sound better.


From a movie :supergrin:

A fine movie, at that.

I'm a chemical superfreak actually, but, I still need a gun.