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railfancwb
09-23-2012, 08:58
http://m.wkrn.com/default.aspx?pid=2705&wnfeedurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.wkrn.com%2fstory%2f19614694%2fman-fatally-shot-in-nashville-west-parking-lot%3fclienttype%3drssstory

Man shot and killed while attempting to make a legal face to face gun sale. No guns reported missing after the shooting.

I was surprised to read that the seller was the one killed, as I had guessed it to be a robbery attempt against the bringer of cash.

Could have been me, I suppose, as I've bought several guns legally through face to face transactions arranged through Glock Talk and Tennessee Gun Owners. Craigslist, mentioned in the article, bans gun ads FWIW.

Highspeedlane
09-23-2012, 09:05
I have only done FTF sales with people I know (usually from work). I would never meet up with a stranger in a shopping mall parking lot. I'm sure it happens a lot without incident, but then you have stories like this. Tragic.

Drain You
09-23-2012, 09:05
He didn't think that one all the way through. He had backup and other guns, does no good if you don't utilize them.

conservativenut
09-23-2012, 09:07
WOW is the only thing I can say! :steamed:

Sending prayers to his family they will need all the support they can get!

raven11
09-23-2012, 09:09
That is a shame I did some FTF sales over armslist and I felt safe

Hour13
09-23-2012, 10:00
That's horrible. Nothing was even taken, just shot him and ran? Gang initiation perhaps.

Unfortunately, when it's not a robbery, when the sole motivation is to kill somebody? Very little can be done, probably happened very quickly. I've done several FTF transactions, never had any problems. Some of the things I do;

1) Even if all talk has been through text/email, I call and actually speak on the phone before the meeting, easier to get a feel for somebody.

2) Have them send a pic of their ID to my email.

3) If anything at all feels off, no deal.

4) I'm always armed, and have somebody else with me.


No guarantees in life, but I hope it'll reduce the possibility of an incident.


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fx77
09-23-2012, 10:07
Bring an armed friend and triangulate on the buyer :)

jpa
09-23-2012, 10:11
I've never had a problem with any private purchases I've made. I usually meet at the police station since we have to register handguns here anyway. Accessories and parts I'll meet at the grocery store parking lot, at a gas station, whatever.

railfancwb
09-23-2012, 10:21
Rereading the article and considering the suggestion the murder might have been a gang initiation, I notice the reporter was politically incorrect and mentioned the races of the shooters.

AKRover
09-23-2012, 10:33
The way it sounded in the article the seller never had a chance. He was shot as he was exiting his vehicle. All the backup and extra guns you want to bring isn't going to do much in an ambush situation like that. The best they could have done is returned fire and hope to stop the shooter from getting away.

This is truly sad. And worst part is you know somehow its going to get used as justification for banning all private sales of firearms.

Averageman
09-23-2012, 10:35
Ive bought a lot of guns face to face.
To be honest it puts both parties at risk. One has the product and one has the cash and at least one firearm is there.
It's a lot easier in Texas, if everyone has a C.C. your pretty much assured the it's legit.
Both handguns I have purchased were from L.E., both times they asked to see a D.L. and my C.C., that would seem pretty safe to me.

4 glocks
09-23-2012, 10:45
Rereading the article and considering the suggestion the murder might have been a gang initiation, I notice the reporter was politically incorrect and mentioned the races of the shooters.




"The suspect description at this time is at least two black men were involved,"

Notice the " " so it was a quote. Also a description.

The media will always say the race if it's white. If it's non-white the race is left out.

I hope they catch them. Gang initiation no other motive I can see.

bobtheelf
09-23-2012, 11:13
Wow. I go to that shopping center quite a bit. That's a little too close to home for me :(

elsolo
09-23-2012, 12:08
I don't think that event had anything to do with selling a gun.
Could have been a set of used golf clubs, or anything else somebody might sell in classified ads.

larry_minn
09-23-2012, 12:42
Small town POlice are nice for this. Have them meet at PD. Get there early and ask if I can use a office for couple minutes, they ask why, ask if they can check out gun.... So couple uniformed/armed Officers want to fondle new gun. They have even ran serial numbers (before meet) If seller uncomfortable giveing serial #s ahead of time. Well deal is off.
Haven't done this for yrs.

JEEPX
09-23-2012, 13:09
I do face to face transactions. However, I only deal with members from a certain Georgia forum. They have to have nothing but A+ ratings on their feedback score, and show carry permit or I won't deal with them.

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mr00jimbo
09-23-2012, 13:10
Back when I was young and naive, I met a guy in his basement apartment in a pretty rough neighborhood. I gave him 650 cash for a Sig Sauer. In Canada, handguns have to be registered so I gave him the $$ and he started the transfer for it in my name. Then I came back a few days later and picked it up once it was in my name and the paperwork went through.
Though to be fair I had met him before once through a guy I knew from the range.

Next private sale that's not done through the mail, will probably be done at a gun shop from now on. I'd rather give them a cut than risk it.

fusegsp
09-23-2012, 13:19
I've sold quite a few guns face to face locally. I've never had any problems even though I'm usually selling to middle aged, white males. These characters are known to be a violent, gun obsessed, lot. :upeyes: I've usually talked to them on the phone a few times by the time we meet and feel comfortable.

JW1178
09-23-2012, 13:31
Are they sure is was a gun sale, or were they really selling something else?

I've sold and bought a few face to face, but I either knew them well or we were in a controlled enviroment.

Anytime meeting some stranger in a open location were you have a known valuable or cash is quite risky.

When I bought a car a couple years ago, I would agree to meet them but make sure they realized that I had no cash on me, but I did have it in the bank, and we would go to the bank if the sale was agreed on.

Gray_Rider
09-24-2012, 14:02
I sold a Luger many years ago to a private buyer. A collector. Nothing like this was even heard of then.....But then hunters were seen on the streets w/ their rifles during hunting season and kids brought their rifles/shotguns to school to go hunting after school.
Where/when? Venango Co. Pa. city of Franklin. late 60's and early 70's.

When I was a photographer, I once got some pictures of something that some people wanted to buy from me. I met them, sold the pictures and the negatives. I was armed but it could have been a bad scene. Three younger rather big white guys showed. I would have been toast if things had went sour, but it didn't involve anything illegal whatsoever, but these days, one never knows what people are thinking. I had two different hillbilly guys get snotty w/ me at the studio over pictures. One left after I removed a wedding picture of him and his bride from the window. The other guy had to be reminded I had friends with sticks and badges who wouldn't be too happy if I had to disturb their lunch hour and that I would press charges to the wall. He was threatening me and was seemingly jacking himself up to punch me out. You don't know your "best friend" any more. Things are crazy. Sad story. Prayers for the family.

Gray_Rider

CarryTexas
09-24-2012, 14:47
All the FTF transactions I have done with people I didn't know have been done with GT'ers.

I typically will only deal with someone if they have been a member here for a few years.

Then after talking on the phone and ensuring they know what they're talking about. I will meet them in a public location and I do always carry.

rahager2u
10-26-2012, 16:28
I have done a few face to face sales and trades,on one of the last sales the back and forth emails I felt uneasy, this can be spooky, trust your instincts,I didn't sell that sidearm to him, sold it later .

ray9898
10-26-2012, 17:19
Just because nothing was taken does not mean it was not a robbery. I have seen all sorts of incomplete crimes over the years. It could be something as simple as they freaked out thinking there was a witness or the gun was locked in the trunk and not laying in the passenger seat as they expected.

Many times criminals panick.

Hef
10-26-2012, 17:45
Have them meet you in a police station parking lot.

oldman11
10-26-2012, 18:11
Rereading the article and considering the suggestion the murder might have been a gang initiation, I notice the reporter was politically incorrect and mentioned the races of the shooters.
I would prefer the report tell the facts and be honest than politically correct.

1-2man
10-26-2012, 18:17
I do private sales all the time. Kind of an eye opener.

Tim Smith
10-26-2012, 19:01
That is terrible. Just terrible.

*ASH*
10-26-2012, 19:11
done alot of FTF HERE IN NC, crowded parking lot , out in open . and i always have 2 friends , one rides with me and his only job is to watch the seller . the other friend pulls in parking space and got it covered from that angle. its not a guarantee i wont get shot but it a guarantee the shooter wont get away

im cautious
im smart
im nervous
and i never assume anything /


it can happen to anyone .

larry_minn
10-27-2012, 00:06
done alot of FTF HERE IN NC, crowded parking lot , out in open . and i always have 2 friends , one rides with me and his only job is to watch the seller . the other friend pulls in parking space and got it covered from that angle. its not a guarantee i wont get shot but it a guarantee the shooter wont get away

im cautious
im smart
im nervous
and i never assume anything /


it can happen to anyone .

I have to admit IF I was buying/selling a gun and the guy shows up with friend, I notice a third guy flanking me..... I am gone. Deal is off. To me it sounds like the prep for a rip off.
I find the local PD (call and ask) if they allow is about the best place. (true its been yrs) the biggest bother is Officers who want to "have a look" at it.
Plus the factor of scaring off most criminals. (I would at least hope)

NeverMore1701
10-27-2012, 00:10
I've done several face to face deals at the local Gander Mountain and Academy parking lots, never a problem.

*ASH*
10-27-2012, 02:20
I have to admit IF I was buying/selling a gun and the guy shows up with friend, I notice a third guy flanking me..... I am gone. Deal is off. To me it sounds like the prep for a rip off.
I find the local PD (call and ask) if they allow is about the best place. (true its been yrs) the biggest bother is Officers who want to "have a look" at it.
Plus the factor of scaring off most criminals. (I would at least hope)

i prolly would 2 but the other friend is hard to pick out of a crowd :supergrin:

Mraforever
10-27-2012, 02:34
I just do the transaction in the local pd parking lot. If they won't meet there I move on to someone else.

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Teej
10-27-2012, 23:16
Rereading the article and considering the suggestion the murder might have been a gang initiation, I notice the reporter was politically incorrect and mentioned the races of the shooters.


You aren't serious are you? :dunno:

Teej
10-27-2012, 23:17
Definitely more to this story as the investigation goes on.

Texas357
10-28-2012, 00:13
If they ask to meet in an industrial area or out by the docks, no deal. If they want to sell me a gun in Whataburger parking lot, no problem.

Shopping center parking lot? That is surprising. Sounds like they intended to rob him, screwed it up.

Something ofd about using guns to steal guns, though.
Hopefully they get caught soon.

TK-421
10-28-2012, 01:27
I just do the transaction in the local pd parking lot. If they won't meet there I move on to someone else.

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I'm with you, if I were to do face to face gun transactions with someone, I'd do it at the police station, and I'd borrow a cop or two and have them standing right there, preferably in uniform.

JuneyBooney
10-28-2012, 02:59
He didn't think that one all the way through. He had backup and other guns, does no good if you don't utilize them.

I agree. I normally sell to people I have chatted with on here and try to deal with older(over 30) individuals. Poor guy got set up. :upeyes:

Clutch Cargo
10-28-2012, 03:23
I was always armed whenever I've done face to face deals with folks from gun forums. Besides the forum having the agreement in the archives, I always made sure the other party was a long time member.
I would usually ride to handgun transactions. Wearing a 3 piece MC patch, I almost always had a prospect with me. For long gun transactions, I'd arrange to do them in a restaurant. If the other party was hesitant to open carry a rifle or shotgun into a restaurant, I figure them not to be on the up-and-up.

NeverMore1701
10-28-2012, 03:28
I was always armed whenever I've done face to face deals with folks from gun forums. Besides the forum having the agreement in the archives, I always made sure the other party was a long time member.
I would usually ride to handgun transactions. Wearing a 3 piece MC patch, I almost always had a prospect with me. For long gun transactions, I'd arrange to do them in a restaurant. If the other party was hesitant to open carry a rifle or shotgun into a restaurant, I figure them not to be on the up-and-up.

Wat.


:upeyes:

Clutch Cargo
10-28-2012, 03:51
Wat.


:upeyes:

It's legal, fellow Texican. If someone is afraid to be seen legally carrying a weapon, something is amiss.

NeverMore1701
10-28-2012, 03:53
It's legal, fellow Texican. If someone is afraid to be seen legally carrying a weapon, something is amiss.

Legal, sure. Doesn't mean I'd do it.

Clutch Cargo
10-28-2012, 04:07
Legal, sure. Doesn't mean I'd do it.

I've got a local spot where the manager has no issue with it. Hard to conduct business spending all your time with the cops. You'd be surprised how many places are cool with folks open carrying.

kahrcarrier
10-28-2012, 07:25
I have done several ftf tranactions, no problems at all, but then I live in a rural area.

Still.........something to ponder. Safety first.