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SickShot
09-23-2012, 18:08
Just noticing a lot of G20/29 threads in the last couple of weeks...

Is this a surge in popularity of the 10mm or the G20/29 or both?

glock2740
09-23-2012, 18:24
A surge in 10mm love. :cool:

ctious
09-23-2012, 18:33
People are finally seeing the truth that the 10 is all powerful. Lol.

But for real. I think a lot also has to do with that a hot 10 mm will go through a standard bullet proof vest. It's a great round for all kinds of protection. Great shtf gun. And zombies.

bac1023
09-23-2012, 18:36
Maybe so

The 10mm has alwys been an awesome round.

SickShot
09-23-2012, 18:49
WOW! Didn't know a hot 10mm would go through a vest?!

Not to high jack my own thread, but would a lighter grain .357sig round, say a double tap 85 grain, defeat body armor as well?

Raleigh Glocker
09-23-2012, 18:55
My first pistol was a G20 that I still have 20 years later. I would love for the popularity to come back. We need more modern bullets designed for full power loads instead of trying to get 40S&W bullets to old together at 10mm velocity.

SouthpawG26
09-23-2012, 18:55
People are finally seeing the truth that the 10 is all powerful.

Finally.

So much so in fact, that the G20 is now steadily making M203 grenade launchers obsolete in most foreign theaters of operation:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/cervelop2k/ffb62a6658a72c77f87e662c9dfa11ad_zpsa1f02697.jpg

Also, be on the lookout for the engraved 2013 G20 Chuck Norris Edition, commemorating the 20th anniversary of him getting a bad case of slide bite upon his first outing with the mighty G20.

Norris was overheard to murmur on that historic occasion:
"Well played Gaston, well played....."

RYT 2BER
09-23-2012, 19:04
Speculating here as I have recently become enamored with it..

I think for me, the ability to buy real 10mm ammo at a reasonable price (underwood) makes it a whole different ball game.

There has been so much CRAP out there for the 10, from watered down mainstream, to absurdly priced, over stated stuff from double tap, or just absurdly priced from buffalo bore..

Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but sometimes business looks so easy.. You look at underwood.. They've come forward with an excellent product with great service and price and now they're eating double taps friggin lunch.

I know this much... The ammo got my attention and led me to the g20... And I'm loving it.

gunowner1
09-23-2012, 19:21
I want a G29 so bad I can taste it.Im thinking of selling my K frame to start financing it.

ctious
09-23-2012, 19:50
WOW! Didn't know a hot 10mm would go through a vest?!

Not to high jack my own thread, but would a lighter grain .357sig round, say a double tap 85 grain, defeat body armor as well?

Not a military vest. But your standard issue ones that police wear and armored vehicle personal wear. The police have ones that would stop it but they don't wear those every day. I have never seen a test done with a 357 Sig. I really don't know. But I am guessing the vest would stop it.

Bruce M
09-23-2012, 20:05
People are finally seeing the truth that the 10 is all powerful. Lol.

But for real. I think a lot also has to do with that a hot 10 mm will go through a standard bullet proof vest. It's a great round for all kinds of protection. Great shtf gun. And zombies.

Probably depends on whether the vest is II or III. And oddly some are just not worried about zombies...


http://blog.viscape.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/franz-the-bear-park-city.jpg

avenues165
09-23-2012, 20:37
I always wanted a 10mm pistol when I was younger. Never did pull the trigger on purchasing one. For SD the 10mm is not right for me because of two reasons:

1. My guess is that I am not skilled enough yet to shoot one properly for SD. The Glock 10mm platform is a little too large for me, and I don't know how well I would handle the recoil in rapid fire.
2. I always thought the ammo was too expensive. Underwood has changed that.

I really want a G20SF or Gen 4 G20, but not for SD until I feel I have the skills. I still need more professional pistol training and practice. Just being honest, I know I can get better.

CDW4ME
09-23-2012, 20:48
10mm Glock: you either have one, want one, or are in denial.

vdub804
09-23-2012, 21:01
Love the 10mm Glocks they are by far my favorites


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DarkShooter
09-23-2012, 21:32
Im very thankful Glock has supported the 10mm all these years.

Ive shot factory stuff and reloaded the equivalent for a while, and am just now getting into loading hotter stuff. We really need a bonded HP in 180/200gr.

Underwood has a great thing going for them. Let's just hope prices dont skyrocket, quality dosen't go downhill, and product dosent mysteriously become "unavailable".
Keep up the great work and us 10mm guys will keep on buyin it by the boatload!

plouffedaddy
09-23-2012, 21:46
I think it's a combination of cheap PPU practice ammo and reasonably priced SD Underwood ammo on the market that have made the 10mm a round more people can enjoy on a reasonable budget.

JW1178
09-23-2012, 22:07
Yes, I think it is. A big milestone will be when a LE agency adopts it, which will probably never happen but you never know.

Opie 1 Kenopie
09-23-2012, 22:40
I jumped into 10mm with both feet. In the last year I bought my first, a 29SF, then had to have the 20SF too! Love these guns. My safe full of OTT(Other Than Ten) Glocks just sits there now, collecting dust and tears. This week I bought EVERYTHING needed to start reloading the 10mm. Midway just closed their doors for the season since they just made their annual sales goal early.

NMGlock79
09-23-2012, 23:54
2 or 3 years ago, the only people I knew of with 10mm pistols were now hunters who wanted a good woods pistol, now it seems like everybody is getting into it, it's probably because ammo is more and more available and word is out.

As a side note I and several friends carried g20s web I worked for the so.


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TattooedGlock
09-24-2012, 04:52
After decades of being a 45 guy, I jumped on the 10mm wagon and there's no looking back. Once people realize how easy it is to shoot in a Glock and how great a round it is, it's easy to get hooked. I think people are also finding out about the availability of ammo which I think has increased over the years. And of course, we have to give Uncle Ted some credit. :)

TattooedGlock
09-24-2012, 04:54
Yes, I think it is. A big milestone will be when a LE agency adopts it, which will probably never happen but you never know.

There are several that use it. I know one major city in New Mexico and several others, but I can't remember which ones. I just read it on another site.

HenryinFlorida
09-24-2012, 05:41
Speculating here as I have recently become enamored with it..

I think for me, the ability to buy real 10mm ammo at a reasonable price (underwood) makes it a whole different ball game.

There has been so much CRAP out there for the 10, from watered down mainstream, to absurdly priced, over stated stuff from double tap, or just absurdly priced from buffalo bore..

Maybe I'm being shortsighted, but sometimes business looks so easy.. You look at underwood.. They've come forward with an excellent product with great service and price and now they're eating double taps friggin lunch.

I know this much... The ammo got my attention and led me to the g20... And I'm loving it.

I agree with you. I think ammo availability has something to do with it. Looks like Underwood is playing some kind of role it it as well.

alwaysshootin
09-24-2012, 05:50
I whole heartily agree, there has been an increase in the 10's popularity, but will add this. The only reason there isn't substantial growth, is because of firearms manufacture!

It's not just the M&P, and XD line that I blame, it's Glock too! I get, that not everyone has banana hands, and can comfortably shoot the 20, and 29, and surely glock knows that also! All they would have to do, is start with the wildly popular 19, or 17, sized firearm, and make it a single stack in 10MM. I'm guessing somewhere in the 7 to 9 round count, with plus one of course. Who wouldn't want one?

Rather, lets build the lightest, shortest, smallest, least capacity, 9MM the market has to offer. Then, have a third of the gun buying public, ecstatic.:upeyes: If it's 9MM, it's been done! All bases have been covered!!!! Smith and Wesson, Springfield, Ruger, the market is ready, and primed. The ammo availability it there. Time for you all do get off your duffs, and bring something new and exiting to the market place!

purrrfect 10
09-24-2012, 05:56
:perfect10:10mm Glock: you either have one, want one, or are in denial.

NMGlock79
09-24-2012, 07:40
There are several that use it. I know one major city in New Mexico and several others, but I can't remember which ones. I just read it on another site.

There is only 1 major city in new Mexico, I know because I was an Leo there for 6 years, no department in nm is issuing the g21, but most will allow you to qualify with one, that's what me and my buddies did. The nmsp is still screwing around with the m&p, as is apd. Bcso is using the g22.


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NMGlock79
09-24-2012, 07:41
Sorry

In my previous post I meant to say g20. There is a dept in Arizona I believe that offers it to officers.


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orangeride
09-24-2012, 11:02
I'm pretty sure even a hot 10mm won't go through a standard police issue vest. I remember some time back there was a dummy on YouTube who shot himself while where a vest in the gut and seemed ok. Let's face it, we all love HP. Look at the popularity of the SW 500. My buddy had the 2" snubby non ported version. The most worthless thing I've ever shot. The 10mm with the right load is the most powerful standard production auto loader. Has little recoil over a full spec 45 and has greater fire power. What's not to like about that. If some major ammo mafn started offering plinking ammo in stores for the same price as 45's there'd be an even bigger surge.

Wolf Spyder
09-24-2012, 13:45
10mm Glock: you either have one, want one, or are in denial.

I love this.





I jumped into 10mm with both feet. In the last year I bought my first, a 29SF, then had to have the 20SF too! Love these guns. My safe full of OTT(Other Than Ten) Glocks just sits there now, collecting dust and tears. This week I bought EVERYTHING needed to start reloading the 10mm. Midway just closed their doors for the season since they just made their annual sales goal early.


Dam-it, that single sale changed the economy numbers for late third quarter... improved the financial outlook and now Obama might get re-elected. Dam-it. :crying: :rofl:





There is only 1 major city in New Mexico, I know because I was an Leo there for 6 years, no department in New Mexico is issuing the G20, but most will allow you to qualify with one, that's what me and my buddies did. The NMSP is still screwing around with the m&p, as is APD. BCSO is using the G22.


Years ago the Albuquerque Police Department and the Anniston Police Department both issued the 10mm, it was short lived. Kentucky and Alaska State Police were issued the 10mm way back when. Columbus Ohio issued a few S&W 1006's and 4506's for a short time as well. I had a chance to purchase a "Police Trade-in" S&W 1006 back in the 90's. I wish I had purchased it...

However, back in the early 90's right after the FBI purchased all of those S&W 1076's a bunch of departments jumped on the 10mm band wagon. But when the FBI dropped the 10mm in favor of the .40S&W so did just about every Law Enforcement Department in the country.

dkf
09-24-2012, 13:55
Gun sales period are up. So it is not surprising that more people seem to be purchasing G20 and G29 Glocks. The forums also seem to help sell them.

TattooedGlock
09-24-2012, 14:34
Well we all need to find a way to get them back in the hands of agencies around the US. I can't see the big deal. When I say my G20 kicks less than my Gen 4 21 that's a true story. The more departments that adopt them, the better the deal on ammo! :)

Remington 870
09-24-2012, 14:59
Op I sure hope they get popular so we can get common ammo makers to load full power loads not hot 40 loads!

seaswol
09-24-2012, 15:27
Since I reload, I can download my 10's to a .40 S&W or load full potential 10mm which easily replace any .45ACP load. If I had to shoot a 9mm, then just drop in a .357 Sig conversion barrel. And of course, I can put on a AA conversion kit on either of my guns. My G29 and G20SF\LS need a G20 Gen4 I guess. Maybe it's time to sell off my 17C and 21SF Ambi.
Chris

G36shooter
09-24-2012, 16:47
Love my gen4 20:supergrin:

elijah58
09-24-2012, 17:55
I love my G20, I have taken to using the bullet puller on .40 Ranger T series and then loading them hot for the 10MM then you have a great round.

nraman
09-24-2012, 18:38
Since I reload, I can download my 10's to a .40 S&W or load full potential 10mm which easily replace any .45ACP load.

I love my G20, I have taken to using the bullet puller on .40 Ranger T series and then loading them hot for the 10MM then you have a great round.

DuPont came up with some great loads for the ten using 800X a few years ago, later they lowered the charge weights. If you can find an older catalog you will be impressed. I am sure I kept one in case I go back to the G20.

RYT 2BER
09-24-2012, 18:53
I love my G20, I have taken to using the bullet puller on .40 Ranger T series and then loading them hot for the 10MM then you have a great round.

Seems very cool...albeit VERY EXPENSIVE in concept :wow:

nraman
09-24-2012, 19:18
Love my gen4 20:supergrin:

Can you describe the slide color?

jeanderson
09-24-2012, 19:26
Was thinking about a little bigger caliber than my .40 and maybe getting into a .45 (G21). But then looked up the ballistic performance of the 10mm and wow, we're talking' power here.

Seriously thinking of the G20, but have read good things about the Colt Delta Elite. Anyone here have a Colt 10mm? Yes, I know it only holds 8 rounds.

Wolf Spyder
09-24-2012, 19:38
What is not to like about a 165 gr Gold Dot @ 1400 fps and ~ 715 ft lbs of energy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/Wolf_Spyder/P1000757.jpg

Kingarthurhk
09-24-2012, 19:40
There is only 1 major city in new Mexico, I know because I was an Leo there for 6 years, no department in nm is issuing the g21, but most will allow you to qualify with one, that's what me and my buddies did. The nmsp is still screwing around with the m&p, as is apd. Bcso is using the g22.


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Albuquerque has the biggest population, but I think you are forgetting Las Cruces that has well over 100,000. Followed behind by Santa Fe and Alamogordo.

Wolf Spyder
09-24-2012, 19:53
Anyone here have a Colt 10mm?



Like this one?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/Wolf_Spyder/O2020RGColtDeltaEliteRailGun-1.jpg

elijah58
09-25-2012, 03:19
DuPont came up with some great loads for the ten using 800X a few years ago, later they lowered the charge weights. If you can find an older catalog you will be impressed. I am sure I kept one in case I go back to the G20.

Nraman, do you know where I can find one of those books? Or could you take a picture of the page and send it to me? Thanks for any help you can give me

I am working on an 800X load now that I think will be awesome just need to finish the setup.
Eli

elijah58
09-25-2012, 03:27
Seems very cool...albeit VERY EXPENSIVE in concept :wow:

These are only going to be carry ammo and not for just plinking, that would be very expensive.
Eli

TattooedGlock
09-25-2012, 04:55
Love my gen4 20:supergrin:

Yep, now I need to find a Gen 4 20 or 29. :)

Beanie-Bean
09-25-2012, 06:16
It's one of my favorite calibers to load (lots of room in the case, lots of different recipes for different projectiles/powders...) and is definitely one of the most fun to shoot--especially when using Blue Dot (huge fireball!)

My Glock is a G20SF with a KKM stock-length barrel. I have a G29 Gen4 on order now, and I'm just awaiting the call from LGS to go pick it up. Glock didn't have it available for ordering directly (wanted to use my armorer's discount pricing...) so I'll just be paying the GSSF pricing on it when it arrives.

If you haven't tried one, even with factory loads, you're definitely missing out on a lot of fun.

jeanderson
09-25-2012, 08:02
Like this one?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/Wolf_Spyder/O2020RGColtDeltaEliteRailGun-1.jpg






Very cool. About how much for one of these?

nraman
09-25-2012, 08:10
Nraman, do you know where I can find one of those books? Or could you take a picture of the page and send it to me? Thanks for any help you can give me

I am working on an 800X load now that I think will be awesome just need to finish the setup.
Eli

I know I kept it somewhere, all I can find right now is some hand written notes I believe came from that "handloader's guide". I can give you that but you understand that it is not something you can use. Use the information to find the actual guide. If I find mine I will send you a copy.

10mm Auto, Rem case, Rem 2 1/2 PR, Rem 155gr JHP .400Dia
1.250 COL, max Load 11.6gr 800-X 1475ft/sec 32900psi.

Win. 180gr, 9.7gr 800-X 1320ft/s 34200psi

Hornady 200gr HP/XTP 8.4gr 800-X 1190ft/s 33900psi

I could be wrong about the source so don't use it.
The original is out there either under the name IMR or DuPont, if another member happens to have an old guide he can help out.

ModGlock17
09-25-2012, 08:11
It's really cool to get a MechTech CCU to go with the G20 and turn it into a 10mm Carbine!

Learn how to reload 10 mm. It would cost you about 30cent+ per round. Info here on the GunClub section.

seaswol
09-25-2012, 21:43
Would you break down the 30+ cent per round to reload a 10mm? Only if you are throwing away your brass after one reload.!!
Chris

elijah58
09-26-2012, 00:14
Post from a 10MM thread, Total for brass, powder, heads, primers was $160 or about .29 each next time since I have the brass they will drop to about $100 or .18 each. and new 10MM are $33.00 per 50 or .66 each or $363 for 550 new ammo. So total savings is about $203.00 Not too bad, thanks for asking I hadn't realized how much I was saving until I figured it up to post it here. Now it is even more beautiful.

Here is a quote from another 10MM post a few months ago regarding pricing for reloading 10MM.
Eli

FFR Spyder GT
09-26-2012, 06:56
My first pistol was a G20 that I still have 20 years later. I would love for the popularity to come back. We need more modern bullets designed for full power loads instead of trying to get 40S&W bullets to old together at 10mm velocity.

My first Glock was a G20 and twenty years later I still have it.

My very first pistol was a cap-n-ball Colt. Shoot it fast as lightening but it loads a mite slow.

I wish I had one of every 10mm pistol, revolver, carbine, etc ever made in 10mm.

Spyder

FFR Spyder GT
09-26-2012, 08:57
Ooops. Double post.

Squeeze
09-26-2012, 12:51
I sleep with my G20 SF. Zombies in the night are toast.

Seriously, the G20 SF was my first Glock. I purchased
a KKM 6" barrel for it, to be hunting legal in WI. And I
hand load my ammo. I have target ammo that has
about the same recoil as my G17 Gen4 SD ammo.
But when I want to impress myself I shoot some of my
200 gr. XTP Large Predator Defense ammo... Get a good
grip!

I haven't noticed a big rush to 10mm around my area. On
GT, yes, but not on the ranges I frequent. I wish there
was, because the other RSO's watch for 10mm brass,
and pile it in the RSO shed for me. :whistling:

Squeeze

Wolf Spyder
09-27-2012, 00:56
Very cool. About how much for one of these?


Hard to say. I built it in Photoshop CS3 using three different pistols. A Colt Delta Elite, Colt XSE, and a Colt Rail Gun. To have some one build it for you would be around $3,000 or so once you purchased a Delta Elite and then had someone cut on it. Colt sells the XSE Rail Guns for about $1100 to $1300 or so, and I have been trying to get them to offer the XSE Rail Gun in 10mm. I have not heard back from them.

I like this one as well built on a Caspian slide and Tactical-Race-Ready Recon frame in Photoshop CS3.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/Wolf_Spyder/LingerCustom10mm5inchReconCombatTactical.jpg

If Colt does not offer the XSE Rail Gun in 10mm then I am going to build one using the Caspian parts like the one pictured above.

legion3
09-27-2012, 03:27
No the g20 nor the g29 are growing in popularity.

No the 10mm is not growing in popularity.

There is no military or le interest in the 10mm. None.

No new 10mm handguns have been introduced by any large (or small) manufacturer. ( yes some 1911 makers have tweaked models but no modern police designs )

No ammo maker produces 10mm in modern police line ammo. The round hangs on in older bullets, silvertips and such. But no ranger, hst or speer gold dots.

If there was a market they would be built.

The 10mm had its shot to make it mainstream and it didn't. It is supported by a vocal and fanatic base of supporters and is mainly a reloaders round (most shooters will never reload) found in expensive 1911 platforms. (not every shooter wants a 1911 at 1k and up and many a 1911 fan wouldn't want a 10mm 1911 for anything)

10mm fans should kiss the ground where Glock walks as they kept the round afloat, and frankly still do, by putting in one of their platforms and sticking with it.

legion3
09-27-2012, 03:54
My first Glock was a G20 and twenty years later I still have it.

My very first pistol was a cap-n-ball Colt. Shoot it fast as lightening but it loads a mite slow.

I wish I had one of every 10mm pistol, revolver, carbine, etc ever made in 10mm.

Spyder

My first 10mm was also a G20 from 20 years ago. I also had at one time or the other a 1006,1066,1076,glock 29, the wyoming arms pistol and the two true gems of a 10mm collection a star megastar (what a beast that was) and a Bren Ten Special Forces Dark.

I sold these for greater profit than I had invested but it took time (well not for the bren or star or 1076) as finding 10mm buyers was not always easy to do. I also had a bunch of the original norma load.

I wish you had been around then I could have packeged the deal for you.

I was an early and avid 10mm supporter back in the day and if I saw a 10mm I tried to buy it. But eventually decend ammo dried up and then demand dried up.

What might have been:(

Raleigh Glocker
09-27-2012, 06:59
FFR Spyder, legion3, and I need to start the 1992 G20 club. :)

I actually feature mine in a trickshot video I just put up yesterday. It's my secret weapon, needed to launch a golf ball as far as possible and into a bucket.

If you're a fan of the 10mm, I think you'll get a kick out of the first 90 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvCm550Ys4o

Indy_Tim
01-05-2013, 19:26
I've been interested in 10mm for about a year or so now, but did not get my first 10mm pistol until last spring. That is a Witness full size 10mm. Nice gun that shoots well once you trim the ejector and beef up the recoil spring. I bought a Colt Delta Elite last summer and fell in love with that gun. I added an extended thumb safety and swapped grips out for a nice custom set and it is still one of my favorite guns to shoot. I don't feel any more recoil in that than I feel in my Kimber 1911s in .45acp.

About two or three weeks ago, I picked up a G20sf. It was my first Glock and has become my daily carry gun. I've been running hand loads through it along with the Underwood 180g rounds. God bless Kevin Underwood for giving us good SD ammo that's cheap enough to allow us to practice with what we carry. My Glock experiment has gone well, so yesterday I bought a Glock 29sf. If I thought I liked the 20sf, I love the 29 even more. It's everything I need for a daily concealment weapon. I ran 100 rounds through it this afternoon and am really happy. It's accurate at 10 yards and easy to rapid fire, keeping all rounds in COM at 5 yards. The recoil is a bit stout with the Underwood ammo, but completely controllable with the Hornady 180g XTP. I need to load another batch of 10mm, but once that is done, I'll run another couple of hundred rounds through it to get comfortable and that will be added to teh carry stable.

Is 10mm on the rise again? In this part of the country, it seems to be. Talk on INGO seems to indicate more and more people getting into it for the first time. RIA now has a 1911 in 10mm, so maybe it is seeing a bit of a comeback.

Tim

1-2man
01-05-2013, 20:26
I think its finally time I join the club. :cool:

jmaj
01-06-2013, 16:27
The G29, the only Glock that made Hickok45 look average.
It's quite a challenge to master, from reloading to shooting.
I got 3 rounds into 6" at 50 yds today, progress.

alwaysshootin
01-06-2013, 17:56
I think its finally time I join the club. :cool:

I concur! You won't be disappointed!