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avenues165
09-23-2012, 21:07
So let's have your opinion, out of a 4" barrel would you run GD 155gr or GD 165gr? Why would you choose one over the other?

Also, if you wouldn't choose either, tell us what you would choose and why.

cowboy1964
09-23-2012, 21:50
165, for the little extra bit of penetration.

Yankee2718
09-23-2012, 23:17
155. The velocity comes in right around 1200fps, the bullet expands and penetrates well, and is only 10 grains lighter than the 165. The 165 at 1150 comes in closer to 1130. I'd probably opt for an HST or Ranger T. That being said, I did have an oh crap moment tonight at work that got me thinking. But for another post...

cowboy1964
09-24-2012, 00:04
Well, the offical HST poster shows only 10" with the 155 on bare gel and 11" in heavy clothing. That's a bit shallow for my taste. The 165 gets 12-13.25"

http://le.atk.com/pdf/HSTInsertPoster.pdf

I prefer the 180 the most. Biggest expansion, best (or tied for best) penetration and softest shooting.

All these are great choices. Given that, I think shootability and availability move up in terms of importance.

SDGlock23
09-24-2012, 07:35
Tough call really, both are excellent performers. Recoil will probably be slightly easier with the 165gr and you'll like get better expansion. The 155's may do a little more damage, but probably not much more. Six of one, a half dozen of the other.

For what it's worth, some older factory 155gr Gold Dot's did around 1100 fps from my 3" Kahr CM40, and 165's (although not Gold Dots, most were about neck and neck) did about the same. For example, the 165gr Critical Defense clocked faster than the 155gr Gold Dot, even though the CD wouldn't be my first choice of the two.

Bigpoppie50
09-24-2012, 08:21
165, for the little extra bit of penetration. What he said

avenues165
09-24-2012, 17:57
Good responses!

cowboy1964 - Your point of shootability is a very important consideration.

Thanks for the responses, keep them coming!

Ak.Hiker
09-25-2012, 00:20
For some reason the 155 grain Speer loads seem a little hotter than the 165's. However the 165 grain weight is a nice balanced load. I think I would go with the 165.

NEOH212
09-25-2012, 01:43
165 GDHP for the .40 period when talking Gold Dot's.

NEOH212
09-25-2012, 01:45
The 165 grain hollow point loaded to 1,150 fps when fired from a 4" barrel is a load that has really shined in this caliber.

The current Gold Dot load and the Ranger-T series load in this weight lead the pack by a narrow margin.

d123gaw
09-26-2012, 00:00
I tried a box of 165gr and a box of 155gr gold dots in my gen 3 G23. One FTF with the 165 out of twenty (it seemed like the slide didn't travel back far enough to cycle fully). The 155 shot fine. Right now i'm packing 180gr gold dot cause it's all I could find.

4949shooter
09-26-2012, 11:10
My Gen 2 G23 eats the 155 grain Gold dots like candy.

There is nothing wrong with the 165 grain though. It is a prominent load.

d123gaw
09-26-2012, 11:15
on a similar subject. should the G23 use the short barrel GD ammo?

4949shooter
09-26-2012, 13:13
on a similar subject. should the G23 use the short barrel GD ammo?

Nahh I don't think so. That ammo might be better in the G27.

barth
09-26-2012, 17:31
The 165 grain hollow point loaded to 1,150 fps when fired from a 4" barrel is a load that has really shined in this caliber.

The current Gold Dot load and the Ranger-T series load in this weight lead the pack by a narrow margin.

When It comes to ammo choices Deanna and I often agree.
Both of these rounds have an excellent track record on the street.

SouthernBoyVA
09-26-2012, 17:44
The 165 grain hollow point loaded to 1,150 fps when fired from a 4" barrel is a load that has really shined in this caliber.

The current Gold Dot load and the Ranger-T series load in this weight lead the pack by a narrow margin.

This is the load I have in Gold Dot for my .40S&W guns. It is number 53970 and I have only been able to locate it online.

KK40384
09-26-2012, 17:46
I carry the 155gr in both my G23 and my G27. Why? I found a few boxes on sale and they were out of the 165gr which I had before. Having shot both I prefer the 155gr for some reason. No scientific reasoning behind it just preference.


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ABNAK
09-26-2012, 20:24
Weren't there two 165gr GD loads at one time? One was a good deal faster, the other more benign?

SouthernBoyVA
09-27-2012, 05:41
Weren't there two 165gr GD loads at one time? One was a good deal faster, the other more benign?

Yes, there still are two Gold Dot Law Enforcement loads in 165gr. One is the #53970 that I mentioned above and the other is $53949. The 53949 load comes in at 1050 fps with 404 ft/lbs of energy while the 53970 load registers 1150 fps with 484 ft/lbs of energy. As a comparison, the Federal HST 165gr load (P40HST3) clocks in at 1130 fps with 468 ft/lbs of energy.

My chosen loads for my G23's are the Gold Dot 53970 load or the HST P40HST3 load. Both of these loads have a very good track record on the street and are prized by police agencies.

For my G27, when I carry it, I prefer a 155gr load because of the shorter barrel. Inertia dictates that a lighter bullet will accelerate more quickly in a shorter barrel than will a heavier bullet which relies on more barrel length to develop its velocity.

cowboy1964
09-27-2012, 12:50
For my G27, when I carry it, I prefer a 155gr load because of the shorter barrel. Inertia dictates that a lighter bullet will accelerate more quickly in a shorter barrel than will a heavier bullet which relies on more barrel length to develop its velocity.

Well the counter argument is that in shorter barrels faster loads lose more velocity as a percentage. Personally I still prefer mid-weights, regardless of barrel length.

Tiro Fijo
09-27-2012, 15:19
...Inertia dictates that a lighter bullet will accelerate more quickly in a shorter barrel than will a heavier bullet which relies on more barrel length to develop its velocity.


Bingo. After all, the majority of shots are going to be within 25 yds. (and a lot less for civilians) and velocity loss does not even enter into the equation at that distance for all intents & purposes.

SCmasterblaster
09-27-2012, 19:02
I'd go with the 165gr load. It is a good combo of velocity/penetration and expansion.

avenues165
09-27-2012, 19:51
I'd go with the 165gr load. It is a good combo of velocity/penetration and expansion.

That's my leaning for sure. I wanted to get some input on both. My LGS has the 165gr available in the 50rd boxes, but I am not sure if it's the warmer load or the 1,050fps load. I have moved both of my Glocks from .40 S&W to 357 sig for now (at least for home, car and carry), but I may move back to the .40 S&W in the future.

Either a 180gr .40 S&W or a 147gr 357 sig seem somewhat appealing for the winter.

SCmasterblaster
09-27-2012, 20:18
That's my leaning for sure. I wanted to get some input on both. My LGS has the 165gr available in the 50rd boxes, but I am not sure if it's the warmer load or the 1,050fps load. I have moved both of my Glocks from .40 S&W to 357 sig for now (at least for home, car and carry), but I may move back to the .40 S&W in the future.

Either a 180gr .40 S&W or a 147gr 357 sig seem somewhat appealing for the winter.

You know, that is what I have been thinking - going to a 147gr load in my G17 for winter use. I just have doubts about the penetration capability of my 9mmP 115-gr +p+ loads thru heavy winter clothing. Here in VT in gets quite cold.

avenues165
09-29-2012, 21:49
LGS has the 165gr GD loading at 1,150fps in the 50 round LE boxes. Found myself a new .40 load.

While I am sure that the Federal HST 165gr load is good, I just haven't been impressed with its velocity. The last number I saw was 1,050fps from a 4" barrel. For a 165gr bullet I want it moving at ~1,150fps from a 4" barrel. Just my preference.

Thanks everybody!
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glock2740
09-30-2012, 09:18
My first choice is the 155gr Gold Dots followed by 165gr Gold Dots.

SCmasterblaster
10-01-2012, 09:44
I think that I would do realistic penetration tests with both weights of .40 S&W. I still thing that the 165gr load would come out on top. :cool:

1canvas
10-01-2012, 10:42
Well the counter argument is that in shorter barrels faster loads lose more velocity as a percentage. Personally I still prefer mid-weights, regardless of barrel length.

I'm not sure about .40s but in .44s and .357s this is true. the slower bullet moves out of the barrel slower giving more burn time. I always go mid weight exept for my 27 thats loaded with 180 HSTs.

SCmasterblaster
10-01-2012, 12:52
will be a G22 or 23, so I'll try the 165s.

packinaglock
10-01-2012, 16:47
I have the 155g Gold Dots in all my .40's (Glocks & M&P's). My guns seem to like them.

SCmasterblaster
10-01-2012, 17:31
I have the 155g Gold Dots in all my .40's (Glocks & M&P's). My guns seem to like them.

What the velocities are for the 155gr Gold Dots?

PrecisionRifleman
10-02-2012, 19:24
I like the 180gr Gold dot, but I just recently switched to 155gr XTP pushed by BlueDot @ 1150fps. This may not be the fastest load for this bullet, but it's the most accurate I have fired in my G23. The XTP penetrates deep, doesn't expand as much as the competition (about .56-.58), and is dead on accurate. Plus I like the recoil impulse since I seem to get back on target pretty quick with these.

avenues165
10-02-2012, 20:44
I like the 180gr Gold dot, but I just recently switched to 155gr XTP pushed by BlueDot @ 1150fps. This may not be the fastest load for this bullet, but it's the most accurate I have fired in my G23. The XTP penetrates deep, doesn't expand as much as the competition (about .56-.58), and is dead on accurate. Plus I like the recoil impulse since I seem to get back on target pretty quick with these.

I think this is what it's all about, finding something that works for you.

SCmasterblaster
10-03-2012, 11:24
will be a G23 for CCW. I'll have to study up on carry loads. :upeyes:

avenues165
10-03-2012, 20:43
will be a G23 for CCW. I'll have to study up on carry loads. :upeyes:

I love my Gen 4 G23. I have had no trouble with it at all. It is a soft shooting handgun, making it a lot of fun at the range.

With a .40 Glock you'll be able to get a G32 barrel and a .40-9mm conversion barrel. If you don't want a G32 barrel you can buy an extended barrel with or without ports/threading. Storm Lake has QPQ barrels, ask Barth about his QPQ 357 barrel for his G27.

BBMW
10-03-2012, 23:21
Neither. 180gr HST.

gatorboy
10-04-2012, 07:52
Neither. 180gr HST.

Those and GS bonded are my choice for 180.

GD are my choice for 155 and 165.

If I had to pick just one bullet to use in .40 it'd be the GD 165.

SCmasterblaster
10-04-2012, 10:27
I love my Gen 4 G23. I have had no trouble with it at all. It is a soft shooting handgun, making it a lot of fun at the range.

With a .40 Glock you'll be able to get a G32 barrel and a .40-9mm conversion barrel. If you don't want a G32 barrel you can buy an extended barrel with or without ports/threading. Storm Lake has QPQ barrels, ask Barth about his QPQ 357 barrel for his G27.

I never thought of that - getting a longer replacement barrel for a G23. :cool:

cowboy1964
10-04-2012, 14:42
I'm in the process of selecting a .40 carry round. I really like the shootability of the 180gr HST. Need to order a few more 165gr of various brands though to compare with. Ranger-T in 165 is not easy to find.

SCmasterblaster
10-05-2012, 10:24
Does anyone know about .40S&W 155gr bullet velocities?

4949shooter
10-05-2012, 12:42
Does anyone know about .40S&W 155gr bullet velocities?

Speer claims 1200 fps:

http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?loadNo=23961

I didn't chrono this ammo, but I can say it does feel peppy in my G23.

BBMW
10-05-2012, 14:52
If you like the shootability, why look any farther? It expands more with equivalent penetration. What more can you want?

I'm in the process of selecting a .40 carry round. I really like the shootability of the 180gr HST. Need to order a few more 165gr of various brands though to compare with. Ranger-T in 165 is not easy to find.

Clutch Cargo
10-05-2012, 15:33
I believe defensive handgun ammo is designed to be optimum in a 4" barrel weapon (the exception being labeled short barrel ammo). Given that, I tend to shoot the heaviest bullet available.

KK40384
10-05-2012, 15:43
Speer claims 1200 fps:

http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?loadNo=23961

I didn't chrono this ammo, but I can say it does feel peppy in my G23.

I agree. They definitely feel like they're cooking pretty good although very controllable.




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Drilled
10-05-2012, 15:51
So let's have your opinion, out of a 4" barrel would you run GD 155gr or GD 165gr? Why would you choose one over the other?

Also, if you wouldn't choose either, tell us what you would choose and why.

Factory told me some years ago to shoot GD165, has always worked well.

SCmasterblaster
10-06-2012, 11:58
Speaking of SD, I wonder what happens more often? A bullet passing all of the way through a felon, or a bullet stopping short of a vital area in a felon?

HWA GLOCKER
10-09-2012, 21:34
165gr or 180gr

SCmasterblaster
10-10-2012, 07:55
Speer claims 1200 fps:

http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/detail.aspx?loadNo=23961

I didn't chrono this ammo, but I can say it does feel peppy in my G23.

I wonder how the recoil is with this load?

4949shooter
10-10-2012, 15:21
I wonder how the recoil is with this load?

You know you are firing a strong load, but controllable. This is how it is as fired from my gen 2 G23.

PrecisionRifleman
10-10-2012, 16:52
You know you are firing a strong load, but controllable. This is how it is as fired from my gen 2 G23.

I haven't fired Speers 155, but my handloaded 155XTP @ 1150 feels strong, but very controllable, and I get back on target quick. I'm going to bump the load up to 1200-1220fps territory this weekend and see if the accuracy stays consistent. I expect the recoil to only be slightly stronger. I wish I had tried a tough 155 sooner.

4949shooter
10-10-2012, 16:55
I haven't fired Speers 155, but my handloaded 155XTP @ 1150 feels strong, but very controllable, and I get back on target quick. I'm going to bump the load up to 1200-1220fps territory this weekend and see if the accuracy stays consistent. I expect the recoil to only be slightly stronger. I wish I had tried a tough 155 sooner.



I fired some handloaded 155 grain Noslers at 1150 through my G20SF. They were very smooth in that gun.

PrecisionRifleman
10-10-2012, 17:00
I fired some handloaded 155 grain Noslers at 1150 through my G20SF. They were very smooth in that gun.

I want to get a 40 barrel for my 20SF at some point. I bet the recoil is very light, and that sounds true based on your post. :supergrin:

4949shooter
10-11-2012, 04:59
I want to get a 40 barrel for my 20SF at some point. I bet the recoil is very light, and that sounds true based on your post. :supergrin:

The recoil sure is light. The 20SF grip and that heavy slide make them a pleasure to shoot. Mine were light loaded 10mm rounds by the way. Same difference. :cool:

SCmasterblaster
10-11-2012, 12:29
The recoil sure is light. The 20SF grip and that heavy slide make them a pleasure to shoot. Mine were light loaded 10mm rounds by the way. Same difference. :cool:

I take it that the G20 extractor works for .40S&W.

cowboy1964
10-11-2012, 15:15
If you like the shootability, why look any farther? It expands more with equivalent penetration. What more can you want?

You are right. I've settled on the 180 HST. There is quite a difference in recoil and the 180 HST performs very well. It's also easy to find.

4949shooter
10-11-2012, 18:12
I take it that the G20 extractor works for .40S&W.

I believe so. Like I said mine were .40 power level 10mm rounds.

DRT
10-12-2012, 10:45
neither. 180gr hst.


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SCmasterblaster
10-12-2012, 13:53
I believe so. Like I said mine were .40 power level 10mm rounds.

Do any ammo makers offer full-power 10mm loads?

4949shooter
10-12-2012, 15:55
Do any ammo makers offer full-power 10mm loads?

Hornady's 155 and 180 grain loads are medium hot. Their 200 grain load is akin to .45 ACP +P ballistics. I believe Underwood and Buffalo Bore are two that load 10mm in full power, along with a few other boutique ammo companies.

SCmasterblaster
10-13-2012, 14:24
Hornady's 155 and 180 grain loads are medium hot. Their 200 grain load is akin to .45 ACP +P ballistics. I believe Underwood and Buffalo Bore are two that load 10mm in full power, along with a few other boutique ammo companies.

Good, The round is too good to underload.