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I think I will wait until after the debates to make that call.
Trew2Life
10-01-2012, 20:18
Hooray for racism!
:upeyes:
Damn! You bet me to it. I'm pretty sure this should be a violation of T.O.S.
Smithers
10-01-2012, 20:21
It doesn't matter...the Dems have their act together, and the GOP is a complete mess. It's not hard to guess who will win.
Geez, the DNC is even on Glocktalk.
Magnus2131
10-01-2012, 20:26
A lot of people understand that a very big part of the reason "many" people hate Obama is straight up racism, masquerading in public as conservatism.
There is always going to be racism. Calling people racist when they are not is just as bad.
Geez, the DNC is even on Glocktalk.
I'm as conservative as they come and I agree with that assessment. The democrats have a candidate that they can (still) get behind. Romney, at best, is a luke warm for republicans. He won't draw the middle and won't even draw a good turn out amongst the right base.
"We" are going to lose this election.
Restless28
10-01-2012, 20:33
Geez, the DNC is even on Glocktalk.
You have no idea what you're talking about, especially when it comes to Tantrix.
CharlieDelta127
10-01-2012, 20:58
Reagan had charisma and popularity. Romney does not. He might still win, but not like Reagan. The whole republican party still misses him.
Amen to that man, I wish I had a time machine and a cloning device....
KalashniKEV
10-01-2012, 21:10
Geez, the DNC is even on Glocktalk.
It doesn't make you a democrat to acknowledge that this is going to be a complete shutout...
The repubs have a joke candidate... Again.
Geez, the DNC is even on Glocktalk.
The DNC? You might want to do a search on my previous posts on this topic...you're not even remotely close.
evlbruce
10-01-2012, 21:41
You've got a candidate running that's only there because four -maybe five others primary challengers self destructed. How do you think it will play out?
Flying-Dutchman
10-02-2012, 05:10
A lot of people understand that a very big part of the reason "many" people hate Obama is straight up racism, masquerading in public as conservatism.
Sorry, wrong for most people.
The problem with Obama is not that he is Black; it’s that he is Red.
Conservatives would have voted lock-step for Herman Cain.
Psychman
10-02-2012, 05:20
A lot of people understand that a very big part of the reason "many" people hate Obama is straight up racism, masquerading in public as conservatism.
You just couldn't resist playing the card could you?
Flying-Dutchman
10-02-2012, 05:32
Reagan had charisma and popularity. Romney does not. He might still win, but not like Reagan. The whole republican party still misses him.
Reagan was “unelectable” until he was elected.
Reagan was bashed by the Media and the DEMs (same thing) just as Romney is today.
Flying-Dutchman
10-02-2012, 05:40
It doesn't make you a democrat to acknowledge that this is going to be a complete shutout...
The repubs have a joke candidate... Again.
Keep saying it enough and you can get people to believe it. You sound like MSNBC talking points.
It would be fun to watch Obama win and wreck the economy and the Country, but I have to live here too.
If Obama wins, the American people will have buyer’s remorse, “What have we just done?”
A 2nd term and Obama will be the most despised President ever.
i also believe romnney wins in a landslide.... the cost of electing a ""communism organizer"fraud-- 5.6 trillion dollars..... the cost of seeing him and his wife leaving the white house- PRICELESS!
KalashniKEV
10-02-2012, 06:57
Keep saying it enough and you can get people to believe it.
You mean get people to "believe" the facts?
Mittens must flip every undecided state on this map.
I'm not even sure he can get all of the ones that are Red...
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5069f2fa6bb3f7081700000d-753-571/electoral-college-map.png?maxX=600
series1811
10-02-2012, 07:02
A lot of people understand that a very big part of the reason "many" people hate Obama is straight up racism, masquerading in public as conservatism.
And, in the end, that's what liberals really think. They can't fathom people disagreeing with them on principal. It must be racism. Nothing else makes sense to them.
frank4570
10-02-2012, 07:07
If he can get the Evangelical vote out he has a great chance.
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This is why the republican party is such a mess. They win elections based on religion.
Unfortunately it is the same reason they lose a bunch of moderates.
frank4570
10-02-2012, 07:12
And, in the end, that's what liberals really think. They can't fathom people disagreeing with them on principal. It must be racism. Nothing else makes sense to them.
That's only true about this particular election, though.
And to a VERY large extent, what is sold as conservative vs liberal, is actually republican vs democrat. Wanting to use laws to enforce morality is not a conservative idea, that's a republican idea.
I think an actual conservative party would easily dominate.
PAGunner
10-02-2012, 07:21
You mean get people to "believe" the facts?
Mittens must flip every undecided state on this map.
I'm not even sure he can get all of the ones that are Red...
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5069f2fa6bb3f7081700000d-753-571/electoral-college-map.png?maxX=600
All this map shows is that Romney will have to run the table if he doesn't win Ohio, and I think Ohio is very much up for grabs. I think those undecided states are very much leaning Romney. Don't believe the polling data, polling has always been skewed against republicans, this is nothing new, it's that way to discourage you from voting and also to help with fundraising for the dem.
I cannot think of a single thing Obama has done that's been popular, have some faith in the American people.
KalashniKEV
10-02-2012, 07:37
All this map shows is that Romney will have to run the table...
OK... "run the table"
"do one up"
"pull off a miracle"
However dramatically you want to phrase it, we're saying the same thing.
I cannot think of a single thing Obama has done that's been popular, have some faith in the American people.
He's been KILLER on the war (pun intended) but his domestic policy sucks... I do like CCW in National Parks though.
I'm not a single issue voter on guns, but I would like to see the economy recover... it's going to be an interesting set of debates!
The media is leading people not to bother voting for Mitt because he is losing in the polls. Let's see....25 million NRA Members and 15 million Tea Party Members not counted yet! Here's a eye opening video how Obummer is letting China screw us!
China is Screwing Us and Obama is helping themÂ*do it! Dick Morris TV: Lunch ALERT! - YouTube
Bilbo Bagins
10-02-2012, 07:49
You mean get people to "believe" the facts?
Mittens must flip every undecided state on this map.
I'm not even sure he can get all of the ones that are Red...
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5069f2fa6bb3f7081700000d-753-571/electoral-college-map.png?maxX=600
Wooaa, they have VA, NH and NC listed as undecided now:rofl:
This is great news. Here is the deal, Obama will definately lose NH. He will also definately lose VA because of multiple factors including cuts in the military. Same with NC. Also since 2008 the recession has hit NV and CO hard. In Florida, Obama has lost a lot of the Jewish and Hispanic vote. Overall he is losing fans among the elderly and among young voters.
Here is the kicker. There are the states that are showing as blue that are in play.
Massachusetts - Romney is the Ex Governor of MA :dunno:
PA - Big shakeup in the Philadelphia area with a Cerberus Captial Management saving thousands of oil refinery jobs in Phila and the suburb. That is why Ed Rendell, the ex-gov of PA and Democrat party big wig was telling Obama to STFU with his bad mouthing of venture capital companies like Bane. Also military spend cuts will affect Boeing Helicopter and Lochheed Martin which are based in the Philly suburbs. This is also the first presidential election with the new Voter ID law. Outside of the Philadelphia area, most rural people in PA vote republican while most people in the city of Philly will vote Democrat. You take the Philly suburbs, you take PA.
NJ - Chris Christie is slowly turning NJ voters to Republicans. The years of Democrat rule has really screwed up that state. I think its a real real long shot, but it could happen.
WI - Its like no one has noticed what has been going on in Wisconsin politics since 2010. You have the Scott Walker thing and Paul Ryan is a congressman from WI. WI is in play.
OH - Ohio is always in play, why in the heck are they showing it as Blue?
Bilbo Bagins
10-02-2012, 07:58
I think I will wait until after the debates to make that call.
If either Romney or Obama gets embarrassed at the debates it may put there presidential chances into a tailspin.
If Mitt Romney loses because the RNC keeps putting up turd candidates, I'm sure half of GT will be blaming Ron Paul instead of the RNC leadership. :)
Ruble Noon
10-02-2012, 08:31
If Mitt Romney loses because the RNC keeps putting up turd candidates, I'm sure half of GT will be blaming Ron Paul instead of the RNC leadership. :)
How true.
actually, in 2010 they were elected precisely to stop obama from enacting his anti-growth wish list...among which was obamacare.
After all, that's what the overriding theme of the midterms was. Heck, scott brown owes his seat to this very sentiment.
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spot on!!!!!!
KalashniKEV
10-02-2012, 08:37
He will also definately lose VA because of multiple factors including cuts in the military.
I don't know... we're very "swingy" over here right now... at least one of the traditionally blue areas of VA has grown quite a bit over the last 4 years and the vast majority are in favor of big government.
I don't know which way VA will go, and I live here!
In Florida, Obama has lost a lot of the Jewish and Hispanic vote.
For all the bending over and tribute paid to Israel, Jews will never vote Republican. That is a fact.
No Hispanic will vote for Mittens over Obama.
Massachusetts - Romney is the Ex Governor of MA :dunno:
That was when he was a liberal. The people there vote liberal.
Now that the GOP has shook up his etch-a-sketch, he will not get any votes there.
Also military spend cuts will affect Boeing Helicopter and Lochheed Martin which are based in the Philly suburbs.
Military spending will go down drastically under either president. We're packing it in and going home.
NJ - Chris Christie is slowly turning NJ voters to Republicans. The years of Democrat rule has really screwed up that state. I think its a real real long shot, but it could happen.
OMGosh... let me hit some of that good stuff, brothaman!
WI - Its like no one has noticed what has been going on in Wisconsin politics since 2010. You have the Scott Walker thing and Paul Ryan is a congressman from WI. WI is in play.
I thought Wisconsin was the capital of Wyoming?
Are those really BOTH states???
:shocked:
camelotkid
10-02-2012, 08:52
Karl Rove has his political map on Fox News at 277 Obama and 191 Romney and that is with 5 swing states yet to be filled in.
This is also the first presidential election with the new Voter ID law.
Law was just shot down.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/02/judge-halts-pa-tough-new-voter-id-requirement/
If Mitt Romney loses because the RNC keeps putting up turd candidates, I'm sure half of GT will be blaming Ron Paul instead of the RNC leadership. :)
Yep...it will be the 3rd party voters that get the blame if Romney loses, not the GOP for nominating a loser. Except you're a little off...it will be more like 3/4 of GT that will blame Ron Paul.
SC Tiger
10-02-2012, 09:28
Would it not be a numbers thing? There are twenty some million Evangelicals in this country.
It pulled GWB out in 2004.
I would bet you he already has the Evangelical vote, even if they themselves don't know it yet. Most (if not all) Evangelicals I know (including myself) would vote for Morris the Cat before Obama.
I don't consider Mormonism to be a "cult." They are a little different in some areas but, near as I can tell, Romney only has one wife.
Here is what people have to figure out - we are going to get stuck with one of these two. Some issues are screwed either way - among them firearms.
Pick the cleanest turd and vote for it.
davetron
10-02-2012, 09:29
You have to understand that the mainstream press is TOTALLY in Obama's pocket and is going to slant everything through that viewpoint. I mean think about it Bush had been in the white house when all this crap happened in Libya the press would have been calling for his head but Obama gets a free pass. I think Obama is in trouble and he knows it that's why they are working so hard at trying to make it seems like it's a foregone conclusion. For example, I saw a poll just this week that said 49% of people in Ohio disapproved of the job Obams was doing but the same poll had him up 48%-45% That doesnt make sense in the realm of statistics and mathmatics. The answer is simple, they are fudging the numbers and over-sampling Obama supporters by anywhere from 5-10% and it's STILL a dead heat! Remeber the 2010 elections the press had the dems pickup up a few net seats and they got pounded. I know one thing, if he does end up getting re-elected were F--ked!
Restless28
10-02-2012, 11:13
Yep...it will be the 3rd party voters that get the blame if Romney loses, not the GOP for nominating a loser. Except you're a little off...it will be more like 3/4 of GT that will blame Ron Paul.
True. 3/4 of GT have been drinking the GOP Kool-Aid and already spewing hate upon anyone who isn't in lockstep with Romney or their ideals. There is no reasonable debate here anymore. The insults and personal attacks flow freely from them towards any opposition to their ideas. Some of them shut down debate with hate just to spite dissenting opinions.
We have some real winners here.
Bilbo Bagins
10-02-2012, 11:37
I don't know... we're very "swingy" over here right now... at least one of the traditionally blue areas of VA has grown quite a bit over the last 4 years and the vast majority are in favor of big government.
I don't know which way VA will go, and I live here!
I agree, but 2008 was the first time VA went Democrat since 1964. Can Obama hold that state? Who knows.
For all the bending over and tribute paid to Israel, Jews will never vote Republican. That is a fact.
Obama is lossing the Jewish vote in Florida. Some liberal Jew may never vote Republican, but some might not show up like they did in 2008
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2012-09-27/news/fl-jjps-polls-0926-20120927_1_jewish-voters-florida-jewish-vote-frederick-greenspahn
No Hispanic will vote for Mittens over Obama.
This is not directed at you Kev but at Obama from the Hispanic voters...its immigration stupid
In NV
http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/02/politics/nevada-latino-vote/index.html
The Cuban Vote in FL
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-02-01/politics/politics_romney-florida-latinos_1_romney-latino-vote-hispanic-republicans?_s=PM:POLITICS
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/local/article1229616.ece
Again Florida is traditionally Republican, only flipping to Democrat in 1996 and 2008.
That was when he was a liberal. The people there vote liberal.
Now that the GOP has shook up his etch-a-sketch, he will not get any votes there.
Obama and the democrats are losing footing in MA
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/08/obama-holds-modest-lead-in-massachusetts.html
And lets not forgot The Boston Skyline, Who is in the big shiny tower?
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.dailyfinance.com/media/2012/08/bain-capital-615cs082112-1345580024.jpg
Military spending will go down drastically under either president. We're packing it in and going home.
I agree we need to bring our boys home, and I think both will do that. However Romney is promising canceling Obama's planned military budget cuts, bringing back the original 2010 baseline and is pushing for Military modernization and naval shipbuilding.
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/national-defense
This plan was probably the only good thing Reagan did in the 80's, and it help alot in the 90's with the Persian Gulf and Bosina.
OMGosh... let me hit some of that good stuff, brothaman!
Like I said NJ is a long..LONG shot :smoking: However NJ went red in 1976, 1980, 1984, and 1988. If we are going to have a repeat of Reagan/Carter then its possible.
I thought Wisconsin was the capital of Wyoming?
Are those really BOTH states???
:shocked:
Wyoming has 3 electoral college votes while Virginia has 13. Wisconsin has 10.
Here is something neat to check out. Electoral college maps from 1900 to 2008
http://campaign2012.c-span.org/electoral-college-map
Bilbo Bagins
10-02-2012, 11:42
Law was just shot down.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/02/judge-halts-pa-tough-new-voter-id-requirement/
Yep, crazy stuff.
The dead will rise and vote twice in PA.
Grabbrass
10-02-2012, 12:11
True. 3/4 of GT have been drinking the GOP Kool-Aid and already spewing hate upon anyone who isn't in lockstep with Romney or their ideals. There is no reasonable debate here anymore. The insults and personal attacks flow freely from them towards any opposition to their ideas. Some of them shut down debate with hate just to spite dissenting opinions.
We have some real winners here.
No, there really isn't much to debate anymore, and that's because the nominees are chosen. We're either going to get 4 more years of Obama, or President Romney. Sour grapes over who oughtta be the Republican candidate are pointless now. And voting 3rd party to spite the GOP for their nominee is effectively voting to reelect Obama, much the same as the Perot vote put Clinton in the White House in '92. You either vote for B.H. Obama, W. "mitt" Romney, or I. B. Foolinmyself.
No, there really isn't much to debate anymore, and that's because the nominees are chosen. We're either going to get 4 more years of Obama, or President Romney. Sour grapes over who oughtta be the Republican candidate are pointless now. And voting 3rd party to spite the GOP for their nominee is effectively voting to reelect Obama, much the same as the Perot vote put Clinton in the White House in '92. You either vote for B.H. Obama, W. "mitt" Romney, or I. B. Foolinmyself.
Dollars to doughnuts the margin of loss will be greater than the percentage of voters who go 3rd party.
Bilbo Bagins
10-02-2012, 12:36
No, there really isn't much to debate anymore, and that's because the nominees are chosen. We're either going to get 4 more years of Obama, or President Romney. Sour grapes over who oughtta be the Republican candidate are pointless now. And voting 3rd party to spite the GOP for their nominee is effectively voting to reelect Obama, much the same as the Perot vote put Clinton in the White House in '92. You either vote for B.H. Obama, W. "mitt" Romney, or I. B. Foolinmyself.
Actually Perot at one point was leading in the polls in June 1992 at 39% Perot, 31% Bush, 25% Clinton. Then he went a little loopy and actually bailed out of the race and then re-entered the race due to some alleged blackmail attempt by Bush and the CIA with racy pics of his daughter.
For all the Whackyness of the campaign, Perot is a decent guy. He was spot on that NAFTA would kill American jobs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot
The reason polls are showing Romney behind is because that is what the main stream media wants you to believe. Get out and vote, we can change things one person at a time, the American People are not blind sighted by the present administration. I predict a landslide victory for the new president.
Glenn E. Meyer
10-02-2012, 14:52
This is an interesting article by a guy I don't know.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-feldman/gun-laws-concealed-carry_b_1924394.html
It asks where Romney and Obama (no doubt on this one) stand on concealed carry. I would like to see that asked to Willard's face. The American Rifleman interview was a cream puff, soft ball on gun laws - just got Willard to spout cliches.
We won't see that asked though.
Bilbo Bagins
10-02-2012, 14:56
If Mitt Romney loses because the RNC keeps putting up turd candidates, I'm sure half of GT will be blaming Ron Paul instead of the RNC leadership. :)
On a side note if Romney loses God help. The GOP will lean HARD right, so much so that the next GOP candidate will make Rick Santorium and Michele Bachmann look like sane moderates.
2016 its going to be Joe Biden vs the GOP's Uber Christian Neo-Con candidate...Either way we will be royally screwed.
The debates change everything. It will be the first time voters get to see Romney on an equal Presidential footing with Obama. It may also be the first time Obama gets directly challanged on his awful record as President.
Not surprisingly, the liberal media is projecting low expectations of Obama and high expectations of Romney. The media is prepared to declare Obama the winner of each debate, and outrage at everything Romney says.
Voters will have a chance to see and hear Romney as the positive alternative to the negatives of another 4 years of Obama.
KalashniKEV
10-02-2012, 15:02
On a side note if Romney loses God help. The GOP will lean HARD right, so much so that the next GOP candidate will make Rick Santorium and Michele Bachmann look like sane moderates.
2016 its going to be Joe Biden vs the GOP's Uber Christian Neo-Con candidate...Either way we will be royally screwed.
You've got-to-be KIDDING ME!!?!
Do you really think they would double down on the crazy next time?
IF they fail to purge the social conservatives and continue along this path, they will have many of their current supporters actively working against them and committed to their demise.
They have no choice but to continue losing or update the platform on social issues.
Flying-Dutchman
10-02-2012, 15:20
On a side note if Romney loses God help. The GOP will lean HARD right, so much so that the next GOP candidate will make Rick Santorium and Michele Bachmann look like sane moderates.
2016 its going to be Joe Biden vs the GOP's Uber Christian Neo-Con candidate...Either way we will be royally screwed.
No, this election is the Republican’s last real chance to win the Presidency.
The 49% receiving government benefits will go well over 50% under a 2nd Obama term plus with wide open immigration the demographics will spell the Republicans doom.
The Presidency will be decided in the Democrat Primary just like elections are decided in the big cities.
There will be a token Republican candidate maybe even a win with a RINO like Bloomberg but no more conservative wins.
Oh, and the entire Country will be in the same shape and run the same way as the big cities too.
And try to sell a 3rd party Libertarian to the dependent class; good luck with that.
Its been posted before, but its a great illustration of how Romney has been forced upon us. You have Romney or Obama. What a choice.
http://youtu.be/obz1OeUMdqU
There's a Great Choice! Obama is a Socialist/Marxist - Romney IS NOT! :faint: :faint: :faint:
Providence
10-02-2012, 17:35
Sorry, I have to say it again: if we get out and vote, we win. I saw the numbers from 2008, but I can't remember the specifics. The repub. vote was down, and the dem. vote was up. In 2010 the repub. vote was up, and the dem. vote was down (generally). I know everyone talks about the independent vote, but I think it may have more to do with which party has people make the effort to actually vote. Don't believe the press. Vote!
Please vote! It's that important!
Restless28
10-02-2012, 17:45
It's down to the black Goldman Sachs guy vs the white Goldman Sachs guy.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
My conscience is clear. I'm voting for Gary Johnson.
You guys do what you think is right. I'll do likewise.
You've got-to-be KIDDING ME!!?!
Do you really think they would double down on the crazy next time?
IF they fail to purge the social conservatives and continue along this path, they will have many of their current supporters actively working against them and committed to their demise.
They have no choice but to continue losing or update the platform on social issues.
Great thread, I've been wondering myself.
Above, I think, is the crux of the issue. Interesting how many people here are saying Romney isn't conservative enough. Perhaps a matter of semantics, but the social conservatives have destroyed this election. The Republican primary was a circus, a complete 3 ring circus. Mitt Romney wouldn't have had to touch the social issues with a 10 foot pole until all the "real" conservatives had to show how awesome they were. The Republicans-- AGAIN-- have stepped right into the social issue dog mess, allowing the Democrats to take a cheap position of moral superiority.
Honestly, if the Republican party would just STFU about gays and abortion they'd have a victory in November, but no, they have to prove how they are going to legislate morality just like the Democrats. If they would stick to being conservative as it relates to the American government they would be doing great. Instead they have to be hypocrites and stick government down everyone's pants just as they blame the Democrats for doing.
In case anyone starts wondering, I am pretty much Libertarian and hope, like most others here, that Obama gets sent packing. I don't see it happening, though. Obama's message is too syrupy sweet: mana from heaven, milk and honey to the child, bread to the young, oil to the old. Romney is right, 47% of the population has free crap to lose if they vote for Romney. Add women, gays and illegals and you should have plenty to guarantee victory.
In 2004 the election was the Democrats' to lose and, unbelievably, they managed to do it. In 2012 it is the Republicans' race to lose and it looks like they'll manage to do it, too.
I'll gladly listen to all the reasons people have to counter the notion that Obama's gonna get another 4 years, but I dunno, KalashniKEV, I don't see the Republican party getting some kind of a wake up call with regard to social [non] issues. I would bet they do try to cough up a "true hard core" conservative next time thinking that was the problem. I'd love to see Chris Christie in 2016, but he won't be "conservative enough for the base" either. They'll screw that up, too.
-Stooxie
It's down to the black Goldman Sachs guy vs the white Goldman Sachs guy.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
My conscience is clear. I'm voting for Gary Johnson.
You guys do what you think is right. I'll do likewise.
Go to www.isidewith.com and fill out the survey. I know tons of people that did it, both thinking they are solidly Democrat or Republican and who did they come up with?
Gary Johnson.
How about Chris Christie in 2016 as a Libertarian? That would be awesome.
-Stooxie
sheriff733
10-02-2012, 18:32
Go to www.isidewith.com and fill out the survey. I know tons of people that did it, both thinking they are solidly Democrat or Republican and who did they come up with?
Gary Johnson.
How about Chris Christie in 2016 as a Libertarian? That would be awesome.
-Stooxie
Happened to me, and I would LOVE to have him as president.
But, I'm going to vote Romney since he actually has a chance of ridding Osama from the white house, albeit a slim one.
The Machinist
10-02-2012, 18:40
Pick the cleanest turd and vote for it.
Why? Have you no pride? No dignity? Why are you so hung up on the notion that you're obligated to give your sanction to liars and thieves? Obama - Romney - whatever. You mean nothing to them, and your well-being is the last thing on their minds. You're nothing but tax livestock, and you serve no other purpose in their view. Why on Earth would you participate in that sick charade?
There are more than two choices, and window of opportunity to kick both of these clowns to the curb is rapidly closing.
frank4570
10-02-2012, 18:46
Honestly, if the Republican party would just STFU about gays and abortion they'd have a victory in November, but no, they have to prove how they are going to legislate morality just like the Democrats. If they would stick to being conservative as it relates to the American government they would be doing great. Instead they have to be hypocrites and stick government down everyone's pants just as they blame the Democrats for doing.
-Stooxie
Yeah, but republicans depend on the christian vote. That's why they're willing to use the law to enforce christian beliefs.
KalashniKEV
10-02-2012, 18:55
How about Chris Christie in 2016 as a Libertarian? That would be awesome.
-Stooxie
Dude... Chris Christie isn't even going to be around in 2016.
http://uploads.static.vosizneias.com/2012/07/christie-obama.jpg
http://www.downeyobesityreport.com/wp-content/uploads//Obama_Christie.jpg
That's HEART ATTACK GUT.
Restless28
10-02-2012, 18:59
Why? Have you no pride? No dignity? Why are you so hung up on the notion that you're obligated to give your sanction to liars and thieves? Obama - Romney - whatever. You mean nothing to them, and your well-being is the last thing on their minds. You're nothing but tax livestock, and you serve no other purpose in their view. Why on Earth would you participate in that sick charade?
There are more than two choices, and window of opportunity to kick both of these clowns to the curb is rapidly closing.
Amen brother. Amen.
frank4570
10-02-2012, 19:21
Go to www.isidewith.com and fill out the survey. I know tons of people that did it, both thinking they are solidly Democrat or Republican and who did they come up with?
Gary Johnson.
How about Chris Christie in 2016 as a Libertarian? That would be awesome.
-Stooxie
The left leaning moderates also like Gary Johnson. He is probably what most people would actually like. Which means the corporate sponsors won't like him.
Restless28
10-02-2012, 19:22
The left leaning moderates also like Gary Johnson. He is probably what most people would actually like. Which means the corporate sponsors won't like him.
And 99% of GT.
Jade Falcon
10-02-2012, 19:32
The same MORONS who believe Mitt will win, are also the same MORONS who thought McCain/Palin would win. Idiots.
Time to do away with BOTH parties, and start electing Third Party Candidates. But this country won't realise that until it's too late.
Yep...it will be the 3rd party voters that get the blame if Romney loses, not the GOP for nominating a loser. Except you're a little off...it will be more like 3/4 of GT that will blame Ron Paul.
I won't blame Ron, just his retarded followers.
Yeah, but republicans depend on the christian vote. That's why they're willing to use the law to enforce christian beliefs.
I understand, but if that population segment demands the election be dominated by religious topics then they have no one to blame but themselves when little things like the economy get overlooked. No one is talking about the economy which is puuuuurfect for Obama. Instead they talk about gays and abortion. Heck, they don't even have to talk about gun control because Obama was smart enough not to touch it and Mitt played along in MA.
Republicans seem to be doing their best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Hoping I am wrong.
-Stooxie
Magnus2131
10-02-2012, 21:48
I won't blame Ron, just his retarded followers.
But but they are voting their conscious.
The same MORONS who believe Mitt will win, are also the same MORONS who thought McCain/Palin would win. Idiots.
Time to do away with BOTH parties, and start electing Third Party Candidates. But this country won't realise that until it's too late.
Our two party system will always have two parties... because it's a winner take all two party system. It's not perfect, but it's what we've got. One or both parties may cease to exist (like the whigs, Federalists, etc), but they will only be replaced by two more major parties.
No "Third Party" will ever gain prominence because that's not how our system works. The best any "Third Party" can ever do is replace one of the two major parties. Those who don't understand that need to go back to elementary school.
I won't blame Ron, just his retarded followers.
Yeah.. Ron Paul is a Republican turns out.
I won't blame Ron, just his retarded followers.
You're voting Romney, and Ron Paul followers are retarded?? :rofl: :rofl:
Go ahead, vote for your flaming RINO...IF he wins (which I doubt), he'll get about as much done as Obama did.
RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 02:09
It's gonna be a sad day here on GlockTalk when Mitt looses.
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Restless28
10-03-2012, 04:16
You're voting Romney, and Ron Paul followers are retarded?? :rofl: :rofl:
Go ahead, vote for your flaming RINO...IF he wins (which I doubt), he'll get about as much done as Obama did.
But...but..., he's not Obama...:rofl:
Restless28
10-03-2012, 04:17
It's gonna be a sad day here on GlockTalk when Mitt looses.
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Not for everyone.:wavey:
Why? Have you no pride? No dignity?
Taking action, or inaction, that you know helps Obama to get reelected is no better than voting for him - you are still only fooling yourself.
The Machinist
10-03-2012, 05:23
Taking action, or inaction, that you know helps Obama to get reelected is no better than voting for him - you are still only fooling yourself.
Both support increased spending, racking up more debt, gun control, arresting Americans without charge or trial, participation in the UN, foreign aid to hostile governments, and military adventurism, to name a few. America loses, no matter which of those two treasonous idiots gets behind the wheel.
But...but..., he's not Obama...:rofl:
Yeah...sadly, that's the thinking of 99% of the members here.
Taking action, or inaction, that you know helps Obama to get reelected is no better than voting for him - you are still only fooling yourself.
And what's wrong with the American people voting in a Libertarian...then Obama and RINO Romney both lose. But noooooo...3rd party gets swept under the rug every time, while the Republicans and Democrats argue over dumbass stuff like abortion and the war on drugs.
Honestly I hope Romney loses, maybe the GOP will get it's sh-t together and put up a REAL candidate in 2016. I don't have my hopes up though.
The Machinist
10-03-2012, 05:40
Honestly I hope Romney loses, maybe the GOP will get it's sh-t together and put up a REAL candidate in 2016. I don't have my hopes up though.
No, they'll just prop up an even more liberal candidate, and all the GOP Kool-Aid drinkers here will lecture us on conservatism, while becoming hysterical that we're not voting for their favorite socialist.
PAGunner
10-03-2012, 05:55
Go to www.isidewith.com and fill out the survey. I know tons of people that did it, both thinking they are solidly Democrat or Republican and who did they come up with?
Gary Johnson.
How about Chris Christie in 2016 as a Libertarian? That would be awesome.
-Stooxie
Chris Christie isn't even close to being libertarian, he might be libertarian for someone from New Jersey, but I'd never ever vote for that guy.
I took the quiz, 90% with Romney, 90% Gary Johnson, 77% with the constitution party fella, 25% with Obama, which is a surprise to me... Sorta, the issues I may agree with him on are literally all the issues that are not very important to me (or the nation). Just 7% in common with the green party nut job. Lol
The economy in the tank, unemployment 8% (more if you toss in those who gave up looking for jobs) with a looming boondoggle of a social program known as Obmacare-that the Bamster is still in the running is amazing.
But with a lap dog press who can't see past the color of OBama's skin, and granny being convinced that Romney wants to take away her medicare, and ignorant young people who still imagine they are going to have their student loans forgiven-
We are screwed.
It's gonna be a sad day here on GlockTalk when Mitt looses.
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More like a sad day in the USA for Taxpayers! Wait until 47% goes to 67%....that's when the shooting starts and we become the Middle East.
Restless28
10-03-2012, 06:08
No, they'll just prop up an even more liberal candidate, and all the GOP Kool-Aid drinkers here will lecture us on conservatism, while becoming hysterical that we're not voting for their favorite socialist.
Yes. Not just lecture, but shout down and insult dissenting views. Hypocrisy runneth over amongst "conservatives".
Law was just shot down.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/02/judge-halts-pa-tough-new-voter-id-requirement/
Yea.....what crap. If they can get to the polls, they can get to the DMV. Free transportation is offered to all seniors so there is NO EXCUSE! The Taxpayers work two or three jobs and these lazy non ID people can't get off their lazy butts or pull themselves away from the TV to get ID. I guess you can get welfare and SSI without ID? You can't even get a book from the Library without ID......I guess they don't or can't read either.
No, they'll just prop up an even more liberal candidate, and all the GOP Kool-Aid drinkers here will lecture us on conservatism, while becoming hysterical that we're not voting for their favorite socialist.
Pretty much nailed it.
The Republicans have become as bad as the Democrats. I'm not listening to, or voting for, either of them.
GOP Candidate Selection process:
Q: What is the #1 issue that gets our base energized?
A: Obamacare
Q: Knowing that Obamacare is the #1 issue currently on the minds of our voters, who should we choose as a candidate?
A: The guy who invented Obamacare! Romney 0'12!
Glocktalk Candidate Selection Process:
Q: Obama is a rumored Anti-gunner socialist who may try to pass another AWB. What candidate should we run against him in the election?
A: The guy who personally signed the AWB into law!! Yaaah. Romney 0'12
Mitt Romney's Draconian Gun Control (December 2007) - YouTube
Glocktalk Candidate Selection Process:
Q: Obama is a rumored Anti-gunner socialist who may try to pass another AWB. What candidate should we run against him in the election?
A: The guy who personally signed the AWB into law!! Yaaah. Romney 0'12
Mitt Romney's Draconian Gun Control (December 2007) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF-jdo7DZRw)
People make mistakes....like those who voted for Obummer. I'll give Mitt the chance to right his wrongs. The current Pres wants to empty my wallet and pay the lazy....not on my watch!
Trew2Life
10-03-2012, 08:04
More like a sad day in the USA for Taxpayers! Wait until 47% goes to 67%....that's when the shooting starts and we become the Middle East.
And just who will be doing the shooting and at who? :dunno:
And just who will be doing the shooting and at who? :dunno:
When the handouts stop......which may never happen if we keep printing fake money, the entitled will come looking for you to support them personally or they'll just rob you. I guess you can call it crime and self defense and a full time job for a few months till there are less bad people.
PAGunner
10-03-2012, 08:14
Glocktalk Candidate Selection Process:
Q: Obama is a rumored Anti-gunner socialist who may try to pass another AWB. What candidate should we run against him in the election?
A: The guy who personally signed the AWB into law!! Yaaah. Romney 0'12
Mitt Romney's Draconian Gun Control (December 2007) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF-jdo7DZRw)
Agreed, but Ryan is his running mate, staunch 2a supporter and I view Romney as a politician, like Clinton. He doesn't want to piss off the base, he'll not go for anything anti-2a, he didn't budge on that after the CO massacre. On the other hand Obama has appointed 2 rabidly anti-2a supreme court justices, wouldn't hesitate to sign any anti-2a UN treaties, let's not even talk about the fast and furious scandal that blew up in the administratuon's face... This administration doesn't even trust Marines to carry loaded weapons in a dangerous part of the world to guard our embassies, and you think Obama will do more to support your RKBa than Romney/Ryan? Get real, you're part of the problem if you're sitting home. Romney wasn't my first or even 5th choice but he's a vastly superior choice than Obama.
Trew2Life
10-03-2012, 08:16
Glocktalk Candidate Selection Process:
Q: Obama is a rumored Anti-gunner socialist who may try to pass another AWB. What candidate should we run against him in the election?
A: The guy who personally signed the AWB into law!! Yaaah. Romney 0'12.
Glocktalk Candidate Selection Process: BONUS ROUND
Q: Obama is a big government, entitlement supporting socialist who has passed the largest entitlement tax (Obamacare) in modern history. What candidate should we run against him in the election?
A: The guy who created the program in MA.!!
Trew2Life
10-03-2012, 08:21
When the handouts stop......which may never happen if we keep printing fake money, the entitled will come looking for you to support them personally or they'll just rob you. I guess you can call it crime and self defense and a full time job for a few months till there are less bad people.
So, I'm gonna get jacked by a bunch of elderly's and some disabled vets?
So, I'm gonna get jacked by a bunch of elderly's and some disabled vets?
Nope.....jacked by anyone just looking to survive the mess....Sheeple of all colors and age/education.
Trew2Life
10-03-2012, 08:29
Nope.....jacked by anyone just looking to survive the mess....Sheeple of all colors and age/education.
Well, let's hope it doesn't come down to that. The thought alone could frighten some people into thinking gun legislation is a good thing.
Well, let's hope it doesn't come down to that. The thought alone could frighten some people into thinking gun legislation is a good thing.
No one will turn in guns at this point.....it would start a war in this country at this point. "If you make the sane people crazy, this country will melt down".....direct quote from LE and Feds I know.
You're voting Romney, and Ron Paul followers are retarded?? :rofl: :rofl:
Go ahead, vote for your flaming RINO...IF he wins (which I doubt), he'll get about as much done as Obama did.
Ron's followers are not retarded for supporting him, in fact if I were a registered Republican I would have voted for him in the primary, I like Ron Paul.
What is retarded is him running in the primary, losing, and then his supporters all go rabid dog/spoiled child and proceed to trash the Republican party because they did not get their way.
And then sit around on a high horse about how they won't vote for that damn RINO (even though Ron can't win).
That's what's retarded.
I don't like Romney, I just despise him considerably less than Obama and WILL NOT contribute to giving that man another 4 years by either not voting or playing pretend and voting for Ron Paul.
Magnus2131
10-03-2012, 09:01
Ron's followers are not retarded for supporting him, in fact if I were a registered Republican I would have voted for him in the primary, I like Ron Paul.
What is retarded is him running in the primary, losing, and then his supporters all go rabid dog/spoiled child and proceed to trash the Republican party because they did not get their way.
And then sit around on a high horse about how they won't vote for that damn RINO (even though Ron can't win).
That's what's retarded.
I don't like Romney, I just despise him considerably less than Obama and WILL NOT contribute to giving that man another 4 years by either not voting or playing pretend and voting for Ron Paul.
Nailed it.:wavey:
Paul Ryan's video diary :rofl:
http://youtu.be/ewP01X5x9Nw
series1811
10-03-2012, 13:39
And just who will be doing the shooting and at who? :dunno:
Pretty much the same as in any civil war of the last two hundred years.
We've already had one, what makes it so hard to believe we might have another?
The rest of the world has them often enough. What makes us so special? Our unity? Our common culture? Our common social beliefs? Our common religious viewpoint? Out shared view of what a government's role should be?
Those are all pretty much gone.
CBennett
10-03-2012, 15:59
I hope he does..I know you could not pay me enough to vote Demoncrat. But as others have said win or lose all I can do is vote and know in my conscience that I did the right thing(voting against Obama) and what ever happens happens.
He won't win. Anyone who thinks he will is seriously lost.
RP 2012
Trew2Life
10-03-2012, 17:17
Pretty much the same as in any civil war of the last two hundred years.
We've already had one, what makes it so hard to believe we might have another?
The rest of the world has them often enough. What makes us so special? Our unity? Our common culture? Our common social beliefs? Our common religious viewpoint? Out shared view of what a government's role should be?
Those are all pretty much gone.
Oh. I don't doubt it can happen. I just hope not in my lifetime. I've seen enough.
Q: Obama is a rumored Anti-gunner socialist who may try to pass another AWB. What candidate should we run against him in the election?
A: The guy who personally signed the AWB into law!! Yaaah. Romney 0'12
Mitt Romney's Draconian Gun Control (December 2007) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF-jdo7DZRw)
The same statement the Obama supporters keep replaying would be a concern if Romney actually banned guns, signed anti-2A bills into law, increased gun control or just even left the same amount of gun control in effect while Gov of MA. It was certainly politically expedient for Romney to be anti-2A but all his actions, bills and laws show the opposite.
Romney was Gov. of MA 2002-2006 and so did not sign the permanent 1998 MA AWB into law.
Recently discovered report forces the question: Do I owe Mitt Romney an apology?
by Chad D. Baus
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/8541
- it appears that the central "fact" that most gun owners "know" about Mitt Romney - namely that he signed a new assault weapons ban in Massachusetts in 2004 - isn't a fact at all. My sense is that knowledge of the GOAL report may allow some pro-gun voters, who may have been hesitant to go "All In," to feel much better about voting for the only man who stands a chance at defeating Barack Obama.
Mr Romney, for whatever it's worth, I apologize.
The liberal media has been misrepresenting Romney’s record since 2004 and that’s why GOAL published his entire record, so that gun owners could get the whole story.
Romney‘s entire record:
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html
The actual truth is, in 2004, Romney signed a bill that amended the 1998 permanent AWB and made it less strict. If you actually examine his record it is clear Romney signed no anti-2A bills while he was Gov of MA. He only reduced gun control, removed anti-2A language, or signed pro-2A bills into law.
As President, we would expect him to do the same. How do we know? From his record.
In 2008 Romney was rated "B" by the NRA and Obama was rated "F". Since then, Romney has only become more pro-2A and Obama more anti-2A. Romney would be a much better President for gun-owners than Obama.
If Hamster and Trew were really concerned about gun owners they would be supporting Romney in defeating Obama, who is the real threat to the RKBA.
Glockworks
10-03-2012, 23:44
I don't believe people are stupid enough to let Obama have 4 more years. So yea, I think Romney will win in a landslide.
100% agree with the old adage, fool me once, your fault, fool me twice, my fault.
Even my die hard liberal neighbors across the street will not vote with their party as far as the Presidential election is concerned.
Everyone that voted with the limp McCain and dynamic Palin will vote again this time with the superstar team of Romney/Ryan.
As far as Obama being a great orator? He is a competent reader of teleprompters.
And when Biden and Ryan meet, Biden will show us who the fool is, and his name is spelled, B I D E N.
100% agree with the old adage, fool me once, your fault, fool me twice, my fault.
Are you serious? Obama won 4 years ago, and to beat him, Romney was picked.
I don't think we need any more proof of how stupid the voters are in this country.
RyanBDawg
10-04-2012, 00:03
Are you serious? Obama won 4 years ago, and to beat him, Romney was picked.
I don't think we need any more proof of how stupid the voters are in this country.
What else would you expect in a country where Jersey Shore and honey boo boo are allowed to exist.
There can't be many undecideds after THAT debate
Glockworks
10-04-2012, 00:15
Well Romney was not my first choice, or second, but they did not survive the primaries. He (Romney) is better than Obama by a mile (or two) and his VP is off the chart the best choice.
frank4570
10-04-2012, 01:58
He really said he would cut funding to Sesame Street?:crying:
He doesn't stand a cold chance in hell.
Trew2Life
10-04-2012, 06:16
Romney reminds me of a slick used car salesman. Obama put on a poor debate performance.
Restless28
10-04-2012, 06:19
Romney reminds me of a slick used car salesman. Obama put on a poor debate performance.
Lets see how they do on social and foreign policy issues first before crowning a winner.
Trew2Life
10-04-2012, 06:20
He really said he would cut funding to Sesame Street?:crying:
Yep.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Big-Bird-screenshot-100312.jpg
SC Tiger
10-04-2012, 06:42
He really said he would cut funding to Sesame Street?:crying:
Sesame Street (the only thing worth a carp on PBS as far as I know) rakes in enough money to build Big Bird a nest that would dwarf the Beijing "Bird's Nest" and keep Snufalufagus in peanuts for the rest of his live, not to mention buy Elmo a Ducati tricycle. They may have to cut back their charity work a little bit but believe me they will survive.
You priced anything Elmo lately?
<<< Just gave them $115 for tickets to "Sesame Street Live."
Flying-Dutchman
10-04-2012, 06:45
He really said he would cut funding to Sesame Street?:crying:
Very clever of Romney to say that as he neutralized Jim Lehrer, the moderator; no way Lehrer could sneak in biased questions after that.
Lehrer knows Romney’s view on cutting taxpayer’s money for PBS.
Lehrer had a conflict of interest and had no business moderating the debate.
Sesame Street (the only thing worth a carp on PBS as far as I know) rakes in enough money to build Big Bird a nest that would dwarf the Beijing "Bird's Nest" and keep Snufalufagus in peanuts for the rest of his live, not to mention buy Elmo a Ducati tricycle. They may have to cut back their charity work a little bit but believe me they will survive.
You priced anything Elmo lately?
<<< Just gave them $115 for tickets to "Sesame Street Live."
That sums it all up! They've make their $$$$$$$$ with taxpayer help.
Very clever of Romney to say that as he neutralized Jim Lehrer, the moderator; no way Lehrer could sneak in biased questions after that.
Lehrer knows Romney’s view on cutting taxpayer’s money for PBS.
Lehrer had a conflict of interest and had no business moderating the debate.
I agree!
SC Tiger
10-04-2012, 06:49
That sums it all up! They've make their $$$$$$$$ with taxpayer help.
Agreed - they should IMO cut down their chartiable giving some and become self-sufficient (if they aren't already).
I would bet they would still be "in the black" and could continue their (very worthwhile BTW) chartiable giving.
They could probably just buy PBS and run Sesame Street 24/7.
Well Romney was not my first choice, or second, but they did not survive the primaries. He (Romney) is better than Obama by a mile (or two) and his VP is off the chart the best choice.
If they would switch the ticket around w/ Ryan for Pres and Romney for VP I could stomach voting for them.
I have much more respect for ryan than Romney when it comes to record / politics.
Romney reminds me of a slick used car salesman. Obama put on a poor debate performance.
It's good thing they were not playing golf last night! Mitt probably does not get in as many rounds as the President. I like a guy that smiles vs. a guy that looks worried. I'd rather buy a Used Car from Mitt than a proped up new Govt Motors model from the Pres.
He really said he would cut funding to Sesame Street?:crying:
Honestly, if your credit cards are maxed out and you have to choose between food and a continuing piano lessons what do you do?
I don't know that PBS would be the first thing I'd cut but, you know, if it's federal funding that could otherwise be spent elsewhere then you do what you have to do.
Aside from the fact that the money would probably just be flushed down the toilet somewhere else I don't think this is so bad. If we shouldn't cut that then we shouldn't cut anything deemed wholesome or "for the children."
Big challenge Romney has is that a tough message is always harder to bring than a mana-from-heaven message.
It's good thing they were not playing golf last night! Mitt probably does not get in as many rounds as the President. I like a guy that smiles vs. a guy that looks worried. I'd rather buy a Used Car from Mitt than a proped up new Govt Motors model from the Pres.
It's amazing how many people are grousing about Mitt's plastic smile. It's a simple debate tactic. Smile and don't let things bother you.
I think you're right, Obama did look concerned a few times and really stuck to his canned talk track. Best part was when Mitt said, referring to a tax cut for offshoring jobs, "I've been in business for 25 years and have no idea what you're talking about."
Who knows? Maybe a chance yet if Obama louses up the next two.
-Stooxie
Flying-Dutchman
10-04-2012, 07:13
Romney reminds me of a slick used car salesman. Obama put on a poor debate performance.
So If Romney mumbled and bumbled you would cheer he bombed. Your man was trounced because he has a radioactive record. Nothing could save him.
Trew2life – I will save you carpal tunnel syndrome from typing.
You are on a gun forum. Do you think we have bad memory? Are we stupid?
With 300 million people, once in a while a crazy person shoots some people.
We are sad but then count how many minutes it takes for a shrill Democrat to shout “BAN GUNS NOW!”
The Democrats putrefied their brand.
Trew2Life
10-04-2012, 07:40
So If Romney mumbled and bumbled you would cheer he bombed. Your man was trounced because he has a radioactive record. Nothing could save him.
Trew2life – I will save you carpal tunnel syndrome from typing.
You are on a gun forum. Do you think we have bad memory? Are we stupid?
With 300 million people, once in a while a crazy person shoots some people.
We are sad but then count how many minutes it takes for a shrill Democrat to shout “BAN GUNS NOW!”
The Democrats putrefied their brand.
Enhance your calm, sir. Where did all of that come from?
Trew2Life
10-04-2012, 07:48
Sure, let's cut funding to PBS. They're a profitable non-profit organization. What makes our publiclly elected officials think we should invest in our own public access? It's public for pete sake. Too many liberals. :devildance:
Sure, let's cut funding to PBS. They're a profitable non-profit organization. What makes our publiclly elected officials think we should invest in our own public access? It's public for pete sake. Too many liberals. :devildance:
I work in TV......PBS is not public access. I produce programming and I can not access PBS with out spending $$$$$.....that's a fact. I also worked production for ABC and our local PBS could never float without being constantly bailed out by the Fed and wealthy liberals.
series1811
10-04-2012, 08:04
There can't be many undecideds after THAT debate
The only people undecided after that debate are the ones who sit through ten stoplight cycles trying to decide whether to go left or right. :supergrin:
It didn't change the Obama true believers. The NYT site is a hoot with readers coming up with every reason under the sun why Obama should have been declared the winner.
Restless28
10-04-2012, 08:07
The only people undecided after that debate are the ones who sit through ten stoplight cycles trying to decide whether to go left or right. :supergrin:
It didn't change the Obama true believers. The NYT site is a hoot with readers coming up with every reason under the sun why Obama should have been declared the winner.
The debates on social issues and foreign policy are yet to come.
Flying-Dutchman
10-04-2012, 08:08
Enhance your calm, sir. Where did all of that come from?
I cannot talk politics in real life so I rant here. It is a waste time but it relieves stress.
Psychman
10-04-2012, 08:09
More than ever now.
Flying-Dutchman
10-04-2012, 08:10
Sure, let's cut funding to PBS. They're a profitable non-profit organization. What makes our publiclly elected officials think we should invest in our own public access? It's public for pete sake. Too many liberals. :devildance:
I listen to NPR and like some of it. They do use the words “Social Justice” a lot and that alarms me.
Our tax dollars should not fund an organization that pushes the radical policy of social justice.
series1811
10-04-2012, 08:42
The debates on social issues and foreign policy are yet to come.
Yeah, but the economy is the big issue with pretty much everyone I know.
The debates on social issues and foreign policy are yet to come.
Obama's record on both of those is crap. .
Social Issues. . A new health care system (with new taxes) that 65+% of the country didn't want
A failed (and expensive) "green" policy
Foreign policy. . Umm . . look at the middle-east. . . Russia. . .
The EU is about to collapse, yet under Obama the US has guaranteed Billions in funding for the EU. . . (good money after bad)
Clutch Cargo
10-04-2012, 16:17
Based upon last night's debate, I'd swear the Pres doesn't want the responsibility anymore or he believes he's above debate.
Grabbrass
10-04-2012, 16:19
He really said he would cut funding to Sesame Street?:crying:
Sesame Street doesn't even need funding.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/10/04/sesame-exec-big-bird-lives-on/?wprss=rss_politics
But Sesame Workshop executive vice president Sherrie Westin told CNN Thursday morning that the giant yellow creature will be just fine.
“The Sesame Workshop receives very, very little funding from PBS,” she said.
Sesame Street can survive on any network. It doesn't need federal funding.
Grabbrass
10-04-2012, 16:22
If they would switch the ticket around w/ Ryan for Pres and Romney for VP I could stomach voting for them.
I have much more respect for ryan than Romney when it comes to record / politics.
If you like Paul Ryan (I do too) and would like to see him become President, then you better vote for him now because if Romney/Ryan loses to Obama he'll be tainted goods. If Romney/Ryan wins, he can run when Romney's done. He'll be old enough then.
As a conservative, i did not watch all of the debate last night. I made up my mind about Obama 4 years ago and he has lived up to every dreaded bit of it.
In fairness, the parts I saw, I thought it would be about even for Miitt and BO. Heck I was upset Mitt was nowhere near aggressive enough.
As far as i am concerned, if Mitt would take a dump and fling his poo at Obama, i would still vote for Mitt.
Sh_t, I'd vote for my dog over BO!
outd00rs
10-04-2012, 18:16
I'm in the camp of Romney winning by a ton (maybe it's a delusion). I don't know if I've become paranoid and started believing that the MSM subverts the truth and opinion as much as other media outlets say they do .. but ....
I find it hard to believe that I live in a country where something as fundamental as personal responsibility and morality have eroded to the point that the "government" needs to dictate what I can and cannot think, do, and practice.
I know what right and wrong is and it's my responsibility to stand up for what is right in my eyes and I'm guessing that more than 55% of the people in the country believe the same thing.
Everyone should take responsibility for their own actions and live with the outcome..... Help your neighbor, help your family, be respectful and be proud of your country. Simple ideas, simple practices.
I find it hard to believe that I live in a country where something as fundamental as personal responsibility and morality have eroded to the point that the "government" needs to dictate what I can and cannot think, do, and practice.
I fully agree, but the Republicans' fanatical insistence on moaning and groaning about gays and abortion are exactly the same thing. Democrats seem to think it's ok to abort a 39.5 week old "child. You know what? That should be between them, their sick psychopathic doctor and God. If gay people want to hump each other all day long, spectacular. I really don't think God is sending hurricanes or terrorists because of gay people.
The Republicans would have had this election in the bag if they didn't have to prove themselves the party of crazy every time.
PLEASE NOTE, I am not saying that people who are pro-life or pro-traditional marriage are wrong. Not at all. Just that you can't legislate that morality any more than you can anything else.
If republicans want to win they seriously need to STFU about these purely religious social issues that have zero to do with running the country. It's as much a distraction from the real issues as anything the Democrats throw out.
-Stooxie
I don't believe people are stupid enough to let Obama have 4 more years. So yea, I think Romney will win in a landslide.
I hope this is going to happen. I feel that anyone who votes for Obama is an ideologue. I am an independent and have voted on both sides of the isle and don't understand how anyone could vote for Obama with his record and in my opinion his total disconnect with the urgency of tackling our problems.
Nalapombu
10-04-2012, 23:26
Glad that this thread has made it this long. I need to catch up.
Before that debate I still had BIG doubts on his viability, now, after seeing him go toe to toe with Soetero last night, I am feeling much better. I'm not quite ecstatic, but feeling pretty darn good about his chances would describe it.
Soetero looked as though he was outclassed 10 ways from Sunday. Romney had him at every turn and left him where he had no place to go. WONDERFUL performance by Romney.
What I am really looking forward to, and have been since the announcement, is the VP debate. I cannot wait to see Ryan wipe the floor with that perennial BLOWHARD Joe "PLUGS" Biden. I also kinda like the nickname some have given him "Joe "Chia Pet" Biden. I've been following him ever since I got interested in Politics, the mid-eighties. He's been nothing but a self promoting charlatan his entire career. He wouldn't be where he is now if not for his dad virtually handing his Senate seat over to him. Plugs is trying to do the same with his Son, Beau. He'll end up with it sooner or later. That's what makes me sick about politicians, they think they OWN the seat they have and can do anything they want when they have it. If they want their son or daughter to have it, so be it, mind your business, it belongs to the Biden family. His son Beau is just like his old man in that he has done nothing but suck off of the public teat ever since he could spell T-E-A-T.
As an aside, do you all have any idea how much, or I should say how LITTLE, Plugs Biden gives to charity? It is shameful. He constantly brags about how much money he has and how rich he is, but then you get his tax return and see that on a combined income of over $500,000 he "gives" maybe $100 or so. It's WAY less than 1%. Google it and you'll be shocked. Typical for liberals though. They LOVE spending everyone's money except their own. Dick Cheney has given more in 1 year to charity than Plugs has in his entire life.
I can't wait to see Ryan take him apart calmly and coolly with the facts. This is about as close to a no brainer in a debate as ever put together.
If you want to see something funny, arrogant and ridiculous and will show you exactly what kind of man and person Plugs Biden is, go to YouTube and search for him berating a reported in the halls of the Capital building. What a total ******.
Stooxie, I think abortion and gay marriage is a bit more than just a "purely religious social issue." I am of the opinion that if the Republicans were MORE conservative and taught about what they believe and embrace, it would be a winning recipe and will again.
Lets look at the facts for a second, EVERY state that gay marriage has been put on the ballot it has won convincingly. I think it's 35 or so states including what many would argue is the most LIBERAL state in the union, California. And yet you and other Republicans think that is a LOSING issue for Conservatives. Hard to get that.
Abortion is the same way. For the last several years public opinion is in favor of the PRO-LIFE side. It's close, but when you include the ABSOLUTELY BARBARIC procedure Partial Birth Abortion, the margins go WAY UP on the pro-life side. We have a President that voted in the Illinois Senate 4 different times that a baby that survived the abortion "procedure" DIDN'T deserve to have medical care to try and save it. Just bring in another "abortion doctor" and have him finish the job. Do you really think that issue is something that the American People would find absolutely appalling and reprehensible or would they be OK with that stance?
Both of these issues are WINNING issues for the Republican party if they were argued right and taken right to the American people and told them what this battle was all about. You say they are too much of a distraction to running the country. Well I submit that if you take those issues, and other cultural and moral issues off of the table, what kind of country do you think we'll have to run in the future? Are you gunning for Amsterdam, France maybe? I don't think I'd want to live in a country where it's ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING GOES.
There are LOTS of Republicans that believe just like you do, that these issues push people away from our side and that having a LOT of people in the party that believes in these kinds of issues causes them a lot of embarrassment. They don't like answering questions about these people when their friends tease them about such people.
The reason it is perceived this way is because the Republicans allow the media and libs to DEFINE the parameters of the debate, what we believe and paint us as fringe kooks. That scares wishy-washy jello-spined Repubs and causes them to run for the hills out of fear when these things are brought up. I'll bet you money that Romney has advisers in his camp that are telling him "stay away from abortion and gay issues, it turns off the moderates and those that aren't firm in their convictions."
Have you ever heard the saying "never pick a fight with someone that buys ink by the barrel?" Well that's what governs the way the Republican party behaves at all times. They are too scared to EDUCATE people the way we believe and WHY we believe the ways we do. We believe this way because we want to leave the future generations a country WORTH FIGHTING FOR AND GIVING YOUR LIFE FOR.
Nalajr
Stooxie, I think abortion and gay marriage is a bit more than just a "purely religious social issue." I am of the opinion that if the Republicans were MORE conservative and taught about what they believe and embrace, it would be a winning recipe and will again.
Lets look at the facts for a second, EVERY state that gay marriage has been put on the ballot it has won convincingly. I think it's 35 or so states including what many would argue is the most LIBERAL state in the union, California. And yet you and other Republicans think that is a LOSING issue for Conservatives. Hard to get that.
Abortion is the same way. For the last several years public opinion is in favor of the PRO-LIFE side. It's close, but when you include the ABSOLUTELY BARBARIC procedure Partial Birth Abortion, the margins go WAY UP on the pro-life side. We have a President that voted in the Illinois Senate 4 different times that a baby that survived the abortion "procedure" DIDN'T deserve to have medical care to try and save it. Just bring in another "abortion doctor" and have him finish the job. Do you really think that issue is something that the American People would find absolutely appalling and reprehensible or would they be OK with that stance?
These are just a couple of many reasons I'm not a Republican. I don't give a damn about Joe down the street and his gay marriage or Jane and her abortion. It doesn't affect me in any way, however...presidents that run the economy into the ground, invade my privacy, and infringe on my rights do affect me.
These are just a couple of many reasons I'm not a Republican. I don't give a damn about Joe down the street and his gay marriage or Jane and her abortion. It doesn't affect me in any way, however...presidents that run the economy into the ground, invade my privacy, and infringe on my rights do affect me.
I agree, and resent the republic party's attempts to force religious beliefs on the citizenry. The greater the separation between church and state, the more free we will be. If not for their silly bible thumping mumbo jumbo I could almost support them.
KalashniKEV
10-05-2012, 09:07
The Republicans would have had this election in the bag if they didn't have to prove themselves the party of crazy every time.
This was the point of my other thread.
In fairness, the parts I saw, I thought it would be about even for Miitt and BO.
It WAS about even, with a slight edge to Mitt. The challenger always has the advantage in these things though.
I don't understand why some folks feel the need to engage in ridiculous hyperbole... it greatly weakens their position, because it shows that they are liars (who often believe their own lies).
Mitt didn't "wipe the floor" with Obama.
Mitt isn't going to win "by a landslide" after he gets around to catching up.
Get serious and people will take you seriously.
Glad that this thread has made it this long. I need to catch up.
It's actually only 25 posts long. It made it to this many pages because half of them are your 900 word essays.
:tongueout:
Before that debate I still had BIG doubts on his viability, now, after seeing him go toe to toe with Soetero last night, I am feeling much better.
Again with the Soetero thing- WEAK.
At least you are finally being honest with the membership and yourself about Romney's lack of viability as a candidate. You've been cheerleading for him for a long time.
His son Beau is just like his old man in that he has done nothing but suck off of the public teat ever since he could spell T-E-A-T.
http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/2009/0930/another-biden-for-senate/article_photo1.jpg/6822347-1-eng-US/article_photo1.jpg_full_600.jpg
Except though, I guess when he was in OIF.
Or are all members of the military "welfare queens" too, because they get a check from the government?
As an aside, do you all have any idea how much, or I should say how LITTLE, Plugs Biden gives to charity? It is shameful.
Wanna know how much money I give to charity?
$0.00
People have the freedom to spend their money as they choose. If this is an issue for you, don't support him. It doesn't matter to me at all.
I am of the opinion that if the Republicans were MORE conservative and taught about what they believe and embrace, it would be a winning recipe and will again.
Seriously... you must be smoking CRACK COCAINE.
This is the opposite of the truth.
Most Americans, if they put their issues down one by one, are Libertarian.
I don't think I'd want to live in a country where it's ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING GOES.
Freedom is a terrifying thing to some.
Not everyone can handle it.
Tyranny comes in different flavors, but if the Kookistani Christian Taliban want to reject modern American values and implement their own Christian Sharia, they should set up their own little South Kookistan and do it there.
As it stands now, their influence over the GOP platform amounts to sabotage.
They are too scared to EDUCATE people the way we believe and WHY we believe the ways we do.
Sooo... all they need to do is "educate" the people, so they can change totally their minds on a whole bunch of topics, and then they will be on their side?
BRILLIANT!
:rofl:
These are just a couple of many reasons I'm not a Republican. I don't give a damn about Joe down the street and his gay marriage or Jane and her abortion. It doesn't affect me in any way, however...presidents that run the economy into the ground, invade my privacy, and infringe on my rights do affect me.
Most working folks just don't want to have to pay for Jane's abortion, birth control and lifetime entitlements cause she doesn't want to work but can. If you watched the debate it was clear Obama wants a country of entitlements and dependence on gov't control and Romney wants a country of economic opportunity and individual freedom and responsibility.
The Democrats have become the party of the elites and dependents, the Republicans working people and tax payers.
The covering up of Obama's record and misrepresenting Romney's record has been the only strategy of the Obama campaign. The manipulating of the polls and job numbers are the last desperate moves of a failing Obama campaign.
The debates are important because it's the first time Obama gets confronted on his awful and deceitful record in public and Romney gets seen as the better President and nothing like the smears painted by the Obama campaign.
Romney will win big in November.
sheriff733
10-05-2012, 09:51
Most working folks just don't want to have to pay for Jane's abortion, birth control and lifetime entitlements cause she doesn't want to work but can. If you watched the debate it was clear Obama wants a country of entitlements and dependence on gov't control and Romney wants a country of economic opportunity and individual freedom and responsibility.
The Democrats have become the party of the elites and dependents, the Republicans working people and tax payers.
The covering up of Obama's record and misrepresenting Romney's record has been the only strategy of the Obama campaign. The manipulating of the polls and job numbers are the last desperate moves of a failing Obama campaign.
The debates are important because it's the first time Obama gets confronted on his awful and deceitful record in public and Romney gets seen as the better President and nothing like the smears painted by the Obama campaign.
Romney will win big in November.
I pray that you're right.
Bilbo Bagins
10-05-2012, 10:06
I fully agree, but the Republicans' fanatical insistence on moaning and groaning about gays and abortion are exactly the same thing. Democrats seem to think it's ok to abort a 39.5 week old "child. You know what? That should be between them, their sick psychopathic doctor and God. If gay people want to hump each other all day long, spectacular. I really don't think God is sending hurricanes or terrorists because of gay people.
The Republicans would have had this election in the bag if they didn't have to prove themselves the party of crazy every time.
PLEASE NOTE, I am not saying that people who are pro-life or pro-traditional marriage are wrong. Not at all. Just that you can't legislate that morality any more than you can anything else.
If republicans want to win they seriously need to STFU about these purely religious social issues that have zero to do with running the country. It's as much a distraction from the real issues as anything the Democrats throw out.
-Stooxie
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Billy-D_Approves.gif
That is my exact feeling about the Republicans. If you don't lockstep with the Christian Taliban, the De-regulators, and those who think that the rich should not be taxed, then you are a RINO.
I'm GLAD Romney is a RINO. There I said it. Because hard right is just as bad as hard left.
I don't care if its a liberal socialist or a Neo-con Fascist, they BOTH will trample on our Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Let the STATES do what the STATES feel is right. If MA wants to make gay marriage legal...LET THEM. If CA was to make medical pot legal LET THEM. If AZ wants to pass tough laws on illegals...LET THEM.
I was scared to death that some wack-nut like Newt ,Michele Bachmann or Rick Santorium was going to win the GOP primary. Not only would we lose against Obama, but if they somehow won things would NOT get better.
If you look at Romney's plans, its all about state rights, closing some tax loopholes, spending cuts, tweaking a few regulations and re-building the economy.
Thank God its not "The USA is a Judeo Christian country and even though the economy is horrible we need to outlaw this, this and that, de-regulate all business, fight for democracy in other countries that hate us, while giving everyone a tax cut." Four year later there would still be partisan battles over the same old stuff, the economy would still be screw up but for different reasons, and we would be even deeper in debt.
G29Reload
10-05-2012, 10:16
Just that you can't legislate that morality any more than you can anything else.
Yes we can, should and do.
Is it moral to rob banks?
Thou shalt not steal.
Is it moral to murder?
Jess sayin...your shipment of FAIL is here.
Trew2Life
10-05-2012, 11:05
A win for Mitt Romney might bring less entitlement spending, less regulation and stimulative job growth, but it will also bring personhood amendments, anti-flag burning laws, and the 'preservation of traditional marriage'.
It's noble to protect the unborn, but once they get old enough to NOT piss on their own leg - they're on their own.
It's free speech to mock a 1500 year old Islam religion, but don't even think about desercrating 200 year old glory.
And how 'traditional' are we going to take marriage? Old Testament traditonal, I hope? I'm counting on a large number of lesbians switching sides.
(unbelievable) :devildance:
G29Reload
10-05-2012, 11:19
A win for Mitt Romney might bring less entitlement spending, less regulation and stimulative job growth, but it will also bring personhood amendments, anti-flag burning laws, and the 'preservation of traditional marriage'.
You have nothing but mindless speculation. You have no idea what you're talking about.
It's free speech to mock a 1500 year old Islam religion, but don't even think about desercrating 200 year old glory.
Non sequitor much?
Who said anything about either? They also occupy separate niches.
Trew2Life
10-05-2012, 12:00
You have nothing but mindless speculation. You have no idea what you're talking about. Non sequitor much?
Who said anything about either? They also occupy separate niches.
Your right. It is 'mindless' speculation - if you consider the 2012 GOP Platform as mindless speculation. It's all right there: DOMA, Personhood, flag desecration. Read much?
While it's highly unlikely that I would do either; mock religious beliefs or burn our flag; both should be constitutionally protect rights under the first amendment.
Trew2Life
10-05-2012, 12:06
In response to a Romney presidency, what if the democrats employ the same political tactic employed by the Right to 'deny Mitt Romney a second term'?
frank4570
10-05-2012, 12:20
Your right. It is 'mindless' speculation - if you consider the 2012 GOP Platform as mindless speculation. It's all right there: DOMA, Personhood, flag desecration. Read much?
.
Amazing isn't it?
" We recognize and honor the courageous efforts of those who bear the many burdens of parenting alone, even as we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage. "
Freakin religious zealots.
Rick from Kali
10-05-2012, 13:42
two things to keep in mind going into this election.
1. what company services the voting machines:?
2. why is a company in Spain counting the votes?
and one more thing. the reason that the media has obama wining in the polls is that should he actually lose this election...they will claim that the election was stolen from him because he was ahead in the polls therefore he should have won hoping that there will be some kind of unrest. i don't think that Romney is going to win for the simple reason that obama will complete the destruction of America in 4 more years and with Romney it will take him at least two terms to complete the same task. it does not matter which of these two canidates win the results will be the same. just with Romney it will take a little longer.
Rick
I have a $500 bet says Obama wins...
If O wins...I get $500...I will go out the next day and buy a gun. It might be SBR'ed, suppressed or both.
If O loses....well, I win again.
This election, much like the last, boils down to hatred (and not the racism crap people are throwing around). Romney is not the best man for the job but people will vote for him as a vote against Obama.
It will be close...but I'm predicting a O win.
WarEagle32
10-05-2012, 15:34
Unless something very unforseen happens in the next month Obama is going to win. He is ahaed in basically all of the 9 major swing states. Also, unemployment just dropped to the lowest of his presidency at 7.8% as well as the Dow Jones doing extremely well. Get ready Obama will win! My goodness Mitt actually physically signed an Assault Weapons Ban in Massachusetts, but he has apparently changed is view on that, just like almost every other major thing he has ever stood for. He is no friend to gun owners!
Most working folks just don't want to have to pay for Jane's abortion, birth control and lifetime entitlements cause she doesn't want to work but can. If you watched the debate it was clear Obama wants a country of entitlements and dependence on gov't control and Romney wants a country of economic opportunity and individual freedom and responsibility.
The Democrats have become the party of the elites and dependents, the Republicans working people and tax payers.
The covering up of Obama's record and misrepresenting Romney's record has been the only strategy of the Obama campaign. The manipulating of the polls and job numbers are the last desperate moves of a failing Obama campaign.
The debates are important because it's the first time Obama gets confronted on his awful and deceitful record in public and Romney gets seen as the better President and nothing like the smears painted by the Obama campaign.
Romney will win big in November.
Republicans only care about you when you are a FETUS. After you are born, they dont give a damn about you. This in itself will not work. If the Republican party insists that even rape victims give birth to the child of their rapists, then they should pay for it as well.
I live in the DEEP South, where abortion is frowned upon and I just asked my wife what would SHE want if she was carrying the baby of her rapist. She said she WOULD NOT give birth to said baby, through legal means or not. I don't blame her...I don't think a woman should not be forced to carry and give birth to a child she was forced to conceive by some ghetto-trash.
Ask your wife the same question and see what the answer is.
I have a $500 bet says Obama wins...
If O wins...I get $500...I will go out the next day and buy a gun. It might be SBR'ed, suppressed or both.
If O loses....well, I win again.
This election, much like the last, boils down to hatred (and not the racism crap people are throwing around). Romney is not the best man for the job but people will vote for him as a vote against Obama.
It will be close...but I'm predicting a O win.
I think the same...Obama is going to win, and it's because the GOP put up someone who wasn't good enough.
Unless something very unforseen happens in the next month Obama is going to win. He is ahaed in basically all of the 9 major swing states. Also, unemployment just dropped to the lowest of his presidency at 7.8% as well as the Dow Jones doing extremely well. Get ready Obama will win! My goodness Mitt actually physically signed an Assault Weapons Ban in Massachusetts, but he has apparently changed is view on that, just like almost every other major thing he has ever stood for. He is no friend to gun owners!
Only a true Obama supporter would believe those manipulated polls and job numbers.
Romney was Gov of MA 2002-2006 and so did not sign the permanent 1998 MA AWB into law.
In 2004, Romney signed a bill that amended the permanent AWB and made it less strict and corrected some abuses. The liberal media, and some folks here, are misrepresenting his record and claiming that Romney signed the MA AWB permanently into effect or that it was set to expire in 2004.
Recently discovered report forces the question: Do I owe Mitt Romney an apology?
by Chad D. Baus
http://www.ammoland.com/2012/10/02/gun-owners-do-you-owe-mitt-romney-an-apology-for-your-doubts-must-read-report/#ixzz28AyBR021
- it appears that the central "fact" that most gun owners "know" about Mitt Romney - namely that he signed a new assault weapons ban in Massachusetts in 2004 - isn't a fact at all. My sense is that knowledge of the GOAL report may allow some pro-gun voters, who may have been hesitant to go "All In," to feel much better about voting for the only man who stands a chance at defeating Barack Obama.
Mr Romney, for whatever it's worth, I apologize.
Romney record, or history, as Gov of MA clearly shows he has only reduced gun control, removed anti-2A from bills or signed pro-2A bills. When it was politically expedient for Romney to make more gun control he always did the opposite.
Romney‘s entire record:
http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html
So Romney was always pro-2A and has only become more so over time. On the other hand, Obama has always been anti-2A and has become more so over time.
Romney‘s positions:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-set-to-ok-most-pro-gun-platform-ever/article/2506043
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/gun-rights
http://www.mittromney.com/issues/courts-constitution
It's up to individual gun-owners to to get the facts and make sure we're not scammed into giving Obama another term.
GlockPistola
10-05-2012, 17:04
Based upon last night's debate, I'd swear the Pres doesn't want the responsibility anymore or he believes he's above debate.
Maybe he is contemplating to voluntarily give up his second term, so that he is not blamed for the upcoming economic meltdown (aka shtf). He might be trying to protect his "legacy."
Who thinks Romney is going to win?
A lot more people than did last week.
Angry Fist
10-05-2012, 17:22
I don't want any more "legacy" from him, as in Supreme Court Justices. If he loses, I hope he takes a few with him.
Who thinks Romney is going to win?
A lot more people than did last week.
I know I do. I have never been a Romney fan, but the debate changed my mind. He was cool, calm, and well spoken. He did not allow his competitor to frame the debate, even with Lehrer doing his best to help Obama. His experience as a leader was very well demonstrated.
We may not agree on all issues, but he has my vote.
Providence
10-05-2012, 18:51
I know I do. I have never been a Romney fan, but the debate changed my mind. He was cool, calm, and well spoken. He did not allow his competitor to frame the debate, even with Lehrer doing his best to help Obama. His experience as a leader was very well demonstrated.
We may not agree on all issues, but he has my vote.me too.
Bow Commander
10-05-2012, 19:08
I know I do. I have never been a Romney fan, but the debate changed my mind. He was cool, calm, and well spoken. He did not allow his competitor to frame the debate, even with Lehrer doing his best to help Obama. His experience as a leader was very well demonstrated.
We may not agree on all issues, but he has my vote.
me too.
Me three. I didn't expect to be as impressed as I was with Romney in the debate. I thought he handed Obama his ass.
Angry Fist
10-05-2012, 20:01
I know I do. I have never been a Romney fan, but the debate changed my mind. He was cool, calm, and well spoken. He did not allow his competitor to frame the debate, even with Lehrer doing his best to help Obama. His experience as a leader was very well demonstrated.
We may not agree on all issues, but he has my vote.
A leader must ignore small voices, and make **** happen. I have never been a fan of Mitt, but the outcome of a fight is hard to challenge. Clear winner and loser, check. I'ts difficult to grant Romney a ****ton of credibility, but face it, we've been waiting years to see that sucka (Obama) dragged through the mud in front of 65k+ voters.
I know I do. I have never been a Romney fan, but the debate changed my mind. He was cool, calm, and well spoken. He did not allow his competitor to frame the debate, even with Lehrer doing his best to help Obama. His experience as a leader was very well demonstrated.
We may not agree on all issues, but he has my vote.
Count me in. Much more of a fan than before the debate.
Landmonster
10-05-2012, 20:35
I've said it before.
Romney is a super-smart, educated, and talented guy. He's also renown as a hard worker. He clearly did his homework for the debates (and the prior Republican debates, too), he spent a ton of time on preparation and also hired coaches.
Obama looked uncomfortable. I believe that HE believed he would just be able to "phone it in" and win the debate via a favorable moderator and audience. The man is very lazy and egotistical, and not very well-versed on issues.
Ooo, he took on NPR! Finally someone bringing some common sense and fiscal responsibility to Washington! Debt crisis solved! What a true American hero!
NPR is on all day in our house to keep the dog company. Prarire Home Companion, the Moth, Radio Lab, Science Friday, Car Talk, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, The Story-npr has great programming that is unmatched in the private sector. That is one of the reasons our household donates to help support it. Just the other day on NPR I heard a pro choice and pro life supporter talking about the abortion issue. It was an interetesting conversation where instead of throwing bullet points at each other, they had a reasonable, intelligent and enlightening conversation about the issue. You simply can't get that anywhere else. For Romney or anyone else to single it out it just makes me think they haven't got their priorities straight. With all the bs spending and earmarking that goes on in Washington that's all he's got? God help us all.
My prediction is that Romney will dominate the remaining debates. Will it help him, yes, Will it help him win, probably not. Still a ways to go and anything will happen and he may walk in the white house.
The problem with Romney is Romney:crying:
frank4570
10-06-2012, 09:22
You said it a lot better than I could.
So he will sign a new assault weapons ban, cancel npr, and back morality laws. I like him less and less all the time.
I much prefer his attitude toward our finances, but there is an extremely probability he is flat out lying about that.
Ooo, he took on NPR! Finally someone bringing some common sense and fiscal responsibility to Washington! Debt crisis solved! What a true American hero!
NPR is on all day in our house to keep the dog company. Prarire Home Companion, the Moth, Radio Lab, Science Friday, Car Talk, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, The Story-npr has great programming that is unmatched in the private sector. That is one of the reasons our household donates to help support it. Just the other day on NPR I heard a pro choice and pro life supporter talking about the abortion issue. It was an interetesting conversation where instead of throwing bullet points at each other, they had a reasonable, intelligent and enlightening conversation about the issue. You simply can't get that anywhere else. For Romney or anyone else to single it out it just makes me think they haven't got their priorities straight. With all the bs spending and earmarking that goes on in Washington that's all he's got? God help us all.
G29Reload
10-06-2012, 10:36
Obama is going to win, and it's because the GOP put up someone who wasn't good enough.
This just in, first post-debate polls: Romney up in FL, VA and tied in OH.
Rasmussen, the one pollster who doesn't weight his polls with 9% extra dems in the sample.
Up next: Ryan mopping the floor with biden this thursday.
Ooo, he took on NPR! Finally someone bringing some common sense and fiscal responsibility to Washington! Debt crisis solved! What a true American hero!
NPR is on all day in our house to keep the dog company. Prarire Home Companion, the Moth, Radio Lab, Science Friday, Car Talk, Wait Wait Don't Tell Me, The Story-npr has great programming that is unmatched in the private sector. That is one of the reasons our household donates to help support it. Just the other day on NPR I heard a pro choice and pro life supporter talking about the abortion issue. It was an interetesting conversation where instead of throwing bullet points at each other, they had a reasonable, intelligent and enlightening conversation about the issue. You simply can't get that anywhere else. For Romney or anyone else to single it out it just makes me think they haven't got their priorities straight. With all the bs spending and earmarking that goes on in Washington that's all he's got? God help us all.
Like many current federal expenses, NPR is unnecessary. The operation of our government doesn't require it, nor is it improved by NPR. It is one of many that needs to defunded. If you and others like it so much, you should collectively raise enough money to keep it afloat.
Our country is screwed. We need to cut out funding for anything not absolutely necessary. NPR is not necessary.
I know that the hypnotized never lie...
Do ya?
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I much prefer his attitude toward our finances, but there is an extremely probability he is flat out lying about that.
And Obama is lying about that AND pretty much everything else. Since they're both liars, and Obama has demonstrated that he is clueless when it comes to leadership, let's give the next four years to the candidate who has demonstrated successful leadership and sound financial decision making skill.
frank4570
10-06-2012, 11:02
And Obama is lying about that AND pretty much everything else. Since they're both liars, and Obama has demonstrated that he is clueless when it comes to leadership, let's give the next four years to the candidate who has demonstrated successful leadership and sound financial decision making skill.
I actually am more concerned that obama is telling the truth.
I'll be voting for romney simply in the hope of pushing this country in the wrong direction more slowly.
I actually am more concerned that obama is telling the truth.
I'll be voting for romney simply in the hope of pushing this country in the wrong direction more slowly.
I understand the sentiment. I hope he makes great strides to correct our problems, but I fear you may be right.
Like many current federal expenses, NPR is unnecessary. The operation of our government doesn't require it, nor is it improved by NPR. It is one of many that needs to defunded. If you and others like it so much, you should collectively raise enough money to keep it afloat.
Our country is screwed. We need to cut out funding for anything not absolutely necessary. NPR is not necessary.
Many of us do raise money for npr. No people giving money to npr = no npr. If this Romney aims to cut unnecessary spending and points to NPR, he needs to pull his head out of his *** and take a harder look to find where all our taxpayer dollars are really being wasted. Cutting NPR funding and saying look at all that unnecessary spending I cut is a joke. It's a few million when the debt is in the trillions. But he doesn't really want to cut spending. He wants to cut taxes for millionaires, stifle political opposition, forward his ideology, then sell the farm for a few quick bucks and bad, unsustainable jobs. Let's face it, our economy isn't the only one in the toilet right now. It will take more than one man (and country) to fix it. Anyone who stands up and claims he can is taking you for a fool.
Many of us do raise money for npr. No people giving money to npr = no npr. If this Romney aims to cut unnecessary spending and points to NPR, he needs to pull his head out of his *** and take a harder look to find where all our taxpayer dollars are really being wasted. Cutting NPR funding and saying look at all that unnecessary spending I cut is a joke. It's a few million when the debt is in the trillions. But he doesn't really want to cut spending. He wants to cut taxes for millionaires, stifle political opposition, forward his ideology, then sell the farm for a few quick bucks and bad, unsustainable jobs. Let's face it, our economy isn't the only one in the toilet right now. It will take more than one man (and country) to fix it. Anyone who stands up and claims he can is taking you for a fool.
You need to think bigger. There is no single massive expense that we can point to and say, "if we just cut that out we could fix the spending problem". We need to prioritize our spending, item by item, and then defund expenses from the bottom up until we've balanced the budget. We should then cut the budgets of the items we are left with until they have been trimmed of unnecessary spending.
It's going to suck, but it's better than total collapse.
Providence
10-06-2012, 18:05
Many of us do raise money for npr. No people giving money to npr = no npr. If this Romney aims to cut unnecessary spending and points to NPR, he needs to pull his head out of his *** and take a harder look to find where all our taxpayer dollars are really being wasted. Cutting NPR funding and saying look at all that unnecessary spending I cut is a joke. It's a few million when the debt is in the trillions. But he doesn't really want to cut spending. He wants to cut taxes for millionaires, stifle political opposition, forward his ideology, then sell the farm for a few quick bucks and bad, unsustainable jobs. Let's face it, our economy isn't the only one in the toilet right now. It will take more than one man (and country) to fix it. Anyone who stands up and claims he can is taking you for a fool.
Oomph, you're an Obama supporter! Now I understand your comments.
Edit: I meant to write "ooooooooh", but auto-correct "fixed" it. Oomph sounds a little more argumentative that I was thinking. I was wondering why you would think continuing to contribute funding to NPR in our dire financial condition. When I realized that you are an Obama supporter it made sense.
Please vote! It's that important!
onebigelf
10-06-2012, 19:00
Maybe he is contemplating to voluntarily give up his second term, so that he is not blamed for the upcoming economic meltdown (aka shtf). He might be trying to protect his "legacy."
Possible, but I've got to say, I was not a Romney fan. i thought he was the least acceptable and least electable of the Republican candidates. Having said that, I liked what I saw in the debate. Romney looked like a man who was in his element when talking about the economy. He acted like he felt that he had the answers. His entire demeanor hit me as, "The economy? Don't worry about it. I got this...". He didn't strike me as being afraid of taking on the economic problems we're having. Not one little bit.
If you think about it, it makes sense. What he did at Bain capital was, they didn't buy bad companies. They bought good companies that COULD have been successful, but were being poorly run and mismanaged into failure. isn't that what we think is happening to the country?
John
Nalapombu
10-06-2012, 19:09
I'm not understanding where some are saying that Romney will back and/or sign so called MORALITY LAWS. I've never heard him talk about that. If you want to go back to the Repub debate where Snuffalufagus asked him about birth control about a dozen times he clearly stated that he or anyone else is even thinking about such a thing.
Romney couldn't get rid of abortion if he wanted to. The COURTS are the only way it's going to be eliminated. There is no way there's enough members of Congress have the guts to vote on and approve of a ban on abortion.
I also think that there should be exceptions made in cases of rape and incest and some others that doctors deem necessary to save the mothers life. I think most republicans would feel the same way. Besides this campaign is focused on JOBS and fixing this broken economy. We're not going to hear much about those issues, I wish we would though. If America actually heard and understood what Soetero supports in those MORALITY LAWS, they'd be shocked. There couldn't be 10% of Americans that believe the way Soetero does on those issues.
I am much more comfortable now than before the debate. I can't wait till Ryan takes on "PLUGS" Biden. That ought to be a good one.
Nalajr
onebigelf
10-06-2012, 19:10
Maybe he is contemplating to voluntarily give up his second term, so that he is not blamed for the upcoming economic meltdown (aka shtf). He might be trying to protect his "legacy."
Possible, but I've got to say, I was not a Romney fan. i thought he was the least acceptable and least electable of the Republican candidates. Having said that, I liked what I saw in the debate. Romney looked like a man who was in his element when talking about the economy. He acted like he felt that he had the answers. His entire demeanor hit me as, "The economy? Don't worry about it. I got this...". He didn't strike me as being afraid of taking on the economic problems we're having. Not one little bit.
If you think about it, it makes sense. What he did at Bain capital was, they didn't buy bad companies. They bought good companies that COULD have been successful, but were being poorly run and mismanaged into failure. isn't that what we think is happening to the country?
John
frank4570
10-06-2012, 20:49
Me three. I didn't expect to be as impressed as I was with Romney in the debate. I thought he handed Obama his ass.
I was also surprised. I thought Obama was going to just charm his way into an easy win.
Honestly, I don't want either Romney or Obama to win again. Romney is a liar and a flipflop..just look at his voting record. All he cares about is his bank account and his executive buddies. I can't trust any man who has 150 million invested in gold and a part of his portfolio invested in China.
I agree with some, some of Obama's social policy. Pretty much dislike everything else about him.
I was a HUGE Ron Paul fan, and I am disappointed to see him out of politics now. However, I believe liberty still has a chance with Gary Johnston, so I'm voting for him.
Either way tho, I don't think Romney will make it. He has a hard time connecting to the middle class, which I think in this election will be the majority of the voters. And, it's historically hard to beat the incumbent. If we voted George Bush in for two terms, people are definitely stupid enough to vote Obama in again, unfortunately.
Honestly, I don't want either Romney or Obama to win again. Romney is a liar and a flipflop..just look at his voting record. All he cares about is his bank account and his executive buddies. I can't trust any man who has 150 million invested in gold and a part of his portfolio invested in China.
I agree with some, some of Obama's social policy. Pretty much dislike everything else about him.
I was a HUGE Ron Paul fan, and I am disappointed to see him out of politics now. However, I believe liberty still has a chance with Gary Johnston, so I'm voting for him.
Either way tho, I don't think Romney will make it. He has a hard time connecting to the middle class, which I think in this election will be the majority of the voters. And, it's historically hard to beat the incumbent. If we voted George Bush in for two terms, people are definitely stupid enough to vote Obama in again, unfortunately.
:faint:
"Romney is a liar and a flipflop..just look at his voting record."
You nailed it. I really did not know anything about Romney until watching a Frontline show the other night on PBS. It was unbiased, presented the facts and went back and forth between mitt and o. I learned many things about each person.
I have much more confidence in Romney since watching the show. Far as his ability to turn the financial mess around. The man has a proven record of brilliance in the business world. Every thing the man has ever dealt with went from a mess to gold.
One glaring flaw on Mitt was his voting record. He will flip flop and change his vote-stance on anything if it will further his agenda and position. There were so many issues he has done this on, too many to list.
He's our best chance to get the economy back on track. He is a typical politician. But he is on steriods:crying:
Flying-Dutchman
10-21-2012, 06:54
Honestly, I don't want either Romney or Obama to win again.
I agree with some, some of Obama's social policy. Pretty much dislike everything else about him.
Either way tho, I don't think Romney will make it. He has a hard time connecting to the middle class, which I think in this election will be the majority of the voters.
There will be no middle class if Obama wins. Are you out in the real world making any kind of money or are you living with Mom and Dad?
Have you been paying attention to what has been happening the last 4 years and what will happen in January if Obama wins and the fiscal cliff hits?
Do you get all of your news from Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart?
This is what you do. Tell all your liberal friends to vote Green Party.
Trew2Life
10-21-2012, 06:56
Mitt Romney can't win this election. Mitt Romney can make the good argument about the economy and the debt, but unfortunately for him he's also running against a sleeping giant. Woman's rights.
If anyone doesn't think a Mitt Romney win can and will have an effect on Rowe v Wade is dangerously misinformed. Whether that effect will be positive or negative depends on your perspective.
The Right is going to perceive a Romney win as a mandate for agenda's far beyond the concepts of debt reduction and tax reform. The Dem's hold a lead in the Senate, now but heaven help my daughters and granddaughters if that should change.
If you lack the internal organs to grow, nurish then birth human life (IMHO) you really don't have a say in the matter. You literally didn't build that. GTF out of my babies womb.
Mitt Romney would be glad to sign personhood amendments and the Republimens would be happy to write them. Don't kid yourself otherwise.
M&P Shooter
10-21-2012, 07:01
Lets take a look, College kids think Obama is God's answer to everything, seniors think Obama is the chosen one to fix the country and he of course will get the minority vote. No I think we are screwed big time:crying:
The thing that gets me pissed off is that this election is so focused on color and not who can run this country better:steamed:
Flying-Dutchman
10-21-2012, 07:07
Mitt Romney can't win this election. Mitt Romney can make the good argument about the economy and the debt, but unfortunately for him he's also running against a sleeping giant. Woman's rights.
If anyone doesn't think a Mitt Romney win can and will have an effect on Rowe v Wade is dangerously misinformed. Whether that effect will be positive or negative depends on your perspective.
The Right is going to perceive a Romney win as a mandate for agenda's far beyond the concepts of debt reduction and tax reform. The Dem's hold a lead in the Senate, now but heaven help my daughters and granddaughters if that should change.
If you lack the internal organs to grow, nurish then birth human life (IMHO) you really don't have a say in the matter. You literally didn't build that. GTF out of my babies womb.
Mitt Romney would be glad to sign personhood amendments and the Republimens would be happy to write them. Don't kid yourself otherwise.
Obama is such a disaster you bring up Abortion. Women are worried about the economy not Abortion.
Romney’s church has a moderate stance on Abortion and does not ban it only suggesting one consults and prays before making the decision.
This is such a non-issue.
Romney should he win, will be spending all of his time shoveling the gigantic pile of dung with a cherry on top Obama is leaving him.
You will not hear Romney complain once about the much larger mess Obama will leave.
Romney will immediately get to work to fix our economy and budget.
Trew2Life
10-21-2012, 07:10
Obama is such a disaster you bring up Abortion. Women are worried about the economy not Abortion.
Romney’s church has a moderate stance on Abortion and does not ban it only suggesting one consults and prays before making the decision.
This is such a non-issue.
Romney should he win, will be spending all of his time shoveling the gigantic pile of dung with a cherry on top Obama is leaving him.
You will not hear Romney complain once about the much larger mess Obama will leave.
Romney will immediately get to work to fix our economy and budget.
While you're up there, check his prostate too.:rofl:
Providence
10-21-2012, 07:19
Mitt Romney can't win this election. Mitt Romney can make the good argument about the economy and the debt, but unfortunately for him he's also running against a sleeping giant. Woman's rights.
If anyone doesn't think a Mitt Romney win can and will have an effect on Rowe v Wade is dangerously misinformed. Whether that effect will be positive or negative depends on your perspective.
The Right is going to perceive a Romney win as a mandate for agenda's far beyond the concepts of debt reduction and tax reform. The Dem's hold a lead in the Senate, now but heaven help my daughters and granddaughters if that should change.
If you lack the internal organs to grow, nurish then birth human life (IMHO) you really don't have a say in the matter. You literally didn't build that. GTF out of my babies womb.
Mitt Romney would be glad to sign personhood amendments and the Republimens would be happy to write them. Don't kid yourself otherwise.. When facts fail you, you make up your own set? Troll much?
Providence
10-21-2012, 07:26
Lets take a look, College kids think Obama is God's answer to everything, seniors think Obama is the chosen one to fix the country and he of course will get the minority vote. No I think we are screwed big time:crying:
The thing that gets me pissed off is that this election is so focused on color and not who can run this country better:steamed:
This election is about who gets out the vote. In this very thread you see how the Dims want to confuse the election with libel based on fantasy. But if we actually get out and vote, we will win. The reality is the Dims are discouraged. Their guy is a loser. He has proved to be inept at every move. Big O. Has one "success." It's Obamacare! How popular is that? So we have to be motivated to vote this guy out, if for no other reason we have an intense fear of when another 4 years of O. will bring us.
series1811
10-21-2012, 08:53
Mitt Romney can't win this election. Mitt Romney can make the good argument about the economy and the debt, but unfortunately for him he's also running against a sleeping giant. Woman's rights.
If anyone doesn't think a Mitt Romney win can and will have an effect on Rowe v Wade is dangerously misinformed. Whether that effect will be positive or negative depends on your perspective.
The Right is going to perceive a Romney win as a mandate for agenda's far beyond the concepts of debt reduction and tax reform. The Dem's hold a lead in the Senate, now but heaven help my daughters and granddaughters if that should change.
If you lack the internal organs to grow, nurish then birth human life (IMHO) you really don't have a say in the matter. You literally didn't build that. GTF out of my babies womb.
Mitt Romney would be glad to sign personhood amendments and the Republimens would be happy to write them. Don't kid yourself otherwise.
So, this is what the liberals are left with. Trying to get people to quit talking about the greatest economic downturn since the Depression, and instead talk about abortion.
"Hey, you may lose your house and job under Obama, but your 14 year old daughter will still be able to get an abortion without telling you. Ain't that great?"
SpoiledBySig
10-21-2012, 09:03
So, this is what the liberals are left with. Trying to get people to quit talking about the greatest economic downturn since the Depression, and instead talk about abortion.
"Hey, you may lose your house and job under Obama, but your 14 year old daughter will still be able to get an abortion without telling you. Ain't that great?"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v313/evilon/Spoiled%202/Agree.jpg
There will be no middle class if Obama wins. Are you out in the real world making any kind of money or are you living with Mom and Dad?
Have you been paying attention to what has been happening the last 4 years and what will happen in January if Obama wins and the fiscal cliff hits?
Do you get all of your news from Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart?
This is what you do. Tell all your liberal friends to vote Green Party.
I was thrown out of my house when I was 17 years old. I am currently 23 and have been living on my own since, I am in my last semester of college studying history, without a quote, unquote "real" job.
Trust me, I know how hard it is "out there".
And no, I don't get my news from Colbert or Stewart, but I do think it is a good satire of the crap Fox and CNN tries to pass as news.
I'm strongly libertarian. What is funny is that libertarians and republicans have many policy ideas that are extremely similar. But I run into the usual conservative ignorance often when people call me "liberal" because they don't understand politics beyond democrats/republicans and anything that is remotely different from conservative republicanism is "SOCIALISM!"
But again, people have different political beliefs. You believe Mitt Romney will fix this country. I don't.
Providence
10-21-2012, 09:46
You believe Mitt Romney will fix this country. I don't. I do not think Romney will fix this country. Not for a second. And I don't know anybody who does. We come to our support of Romney with reluctance. I do have some hope that he may do some good things, but there is a long fight ahead of us. Romney is a stop-gap to Obama. He may prove to be a good president, but he is not as far along the liberty scale as we need.
But the fact is that Johnson is not electable and Romney is.
I do not think Romney will fix this country. Not for a second. And I don't know anybody who does. We come to our support of Romney with reluctance. I do have some hope that he may do some good things, but there is a long fight ahead of us. Romney is a stop-gap to Obama. He may prove to be a good president, but he is not as far along the liberty scale as we need.
But the fact is that Johnson is not electable and Romney is.
True. Very True, I agree. But if Romney does turn into another horrible administration, my conscience will be clear.
With Benghazi blowing up in O's face just in time for the last debate (ironically on foreign policy), poll numbers (even with heavy Dem oversampling) cratering, news that Va,Fl,NC are being abandoned by the Dems, its Romney's now to lose.
If he is still leading to this extent now after hundreds of millions of attack ads since spring, then even the most hardy libtard is starting to face reality.
You can see / feel it on the Bolshevik news blogs like Salon, Daily Beast, Huffpo etc. They were triumphant all the way through Sept, now the best they do is try and spin the Benghazi disaster.
Try.
But again, people have different political beliefs. You believe Mitt Romney will fix this country. I don't.
Ironically, I like you run more with the Libertarian crowd but do not consider myself a Democrat or Republican conservative or liberal. Politicans have jedi mind tricked this entire country into believing they must "side" themselves. I have friends and coworkers who perfectly fit the sterotypes of Liberal or Conservative. One liberal coworker has stated she would readily hand over her children's future of freedom, the ability to try and make it on their own and potentially fail and all that goes with it for a life of government provided food, shelter, education, etc.
If you run with the Libertarian crowd and a Republican calls you a Liberal - ask them what they think the definition means? My brother, who is the very scary type of hard line Republican who on the one had believes in an absolutely free economy but in the other believes in lining certain "unworthy" types up against a wall and shooting them, called me a Fascist one time. I laid into him and asked him what the word meant and he stumbled and retreated like the French. It was a word he heard one time while listening to Rush and he couldn't define it. Anyone who knows me would know the last thing I am is a Fascist. When they try and pigeon hole me I clearly state I'm a "free economy, limited government Libertarian with streaks of Centrism and Anarchism." Believe me, the "siding crowd" never knows how to respond and eventually falls into the "your crazy" camp. Generally speaking, in my AO registered Democrats and Republicans alike are so brainwashed any common sense views are labeled "nut job."
Romney is not the answer this country needs but he is a small step in the right direction. Voting third party would make me feel all warm and fuzzy knowing I voted my conscious but in the end this conscious doesn't pay the bill. An O win simply means the freight train dead end happens sooner.
Stick to your guns...the ways things are going...soon enough this won't be a saying anyway.
I was thrown out of my house when I was 17 years old. I am currently 23 and have been living on my own since, I am in my last semester of college studying history, without a quote, unquote "real" job.
Trust me, I know how hard it is "out there".
And no, I don't get my news from Colbert or Stewart, but I do think it is a good satire of the crap Fox and CNN tries to pass as news.
I'm strongly libertarian. What is funny is that libertarians and republicans have many policy ideas that are extremely similar. But I run into the usual conservative ignorance often when people call me "liberal" because they don't understand politics beyond democrats/republicans and anything that is remotely different from conservative republicanism is "SOCIALISM!"
But again, people have different political beliefs. You believe Mitt Romney will fix this country. I don't.
At 23 you don't know **** about life.
Trew2Life
10-21-2012, 11:21
So, this is what the liberals are left with. Trying to get people to quit talking about the greatest economic downturn since the Depression, and instead talk about abortion.
"Hey, you may lose your house and job under Obama, but your 14 year old daughter will still be able to get an abortion without telling you. Ain't that great?"
One mans economic downturn is another mans prosperity. Yes. It was so depressing to see Wall Street set record breaking profits the last 4 years. It was so endearing to see Dem's and Rep's, working together to pass a Jobs bill.
If you lose your house and job it won't be because of Obama. It will be because you, your employer and local elected officials have dediced to cut of your nose to spite your face.
Although preserving a womans right to privacy (a.k.a., abortion) isn't my major point, it is of great concern to me. I am more concerned with Women's Rights, in general, which I see being threatend by conservative agenda's. Agenda's I believe Mitt Romney will wholely support.
My economics are fine. My job is secure. All I've got left are my daughters and grandgirls. You do what you gotta do.
Little Joe
10-21-2012, 11:34
If you think about it, it makes sense. What he did at Bain capital was, they didn't buy bad companies. They bought good companies that COULD have been successful, but were being poorly run and mismanaged into failure. isn't that what we think is happening to the country?
John
Yep, and what he did to straighten out the 2002 Winter Olympics demonstrates that, too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney
jakebrake
10-21-2012, 12:14
Romney will win by 7 points.
^..^
i don't see it being that high. 5 maybe. 7 is a tad much after the fraud is thrown in.
series1811
10-21-2012, 13:06
My economics are fine. My job is secure. All I've got left are my daughters and grandgirls. You do what you gotta do.
So you are doing fine financially, so you're not really concerned about anyone else? I thought liberals were supposed to have compassion for others in not so fortunate situations.
I'm doing okay, too. But, I do worry about other people who aren't. We nutjobs call that empathy.
(I'll bet next election, you ask for a better bulletin board as your assignment, right? "What the hell is a 'Glock' anyway, and why would they talk about it?").
G29Reload
10-21-2012, 13:21
As it stands now, Obama wins with 277 in the electoral college.
However, that is predicated on his taking Ohio.
It comes down to OH, Zero has it by only a point.
So, as usual, It's Ohio, Ohio and Ohio.
and it comes down to turnout.
The momentum is Romney's, if he keeps it moving,
I believe its Romney's and he will win.
Undecideds usually break for the challenger by 2-1, but there's little of those. Polarized electorate.
IA is the next closest, less than three points.
WI is also do-able, as is PA.
Romney has to keep shoring up VA. I helped in early voting. :supergrin:
G29Reload
10-21-2012, 13:34
If you lose your house and job it won't be because of Obama.
Yes it will.
The terror of Obamacare has kept business from hiring. With options for repeal diminishing to Romney's election with a Republican Senate, the path to abuse widens as businesses in order to survive are now laying off FT employees and replacing with PT in order to stay under mandatory thresholds.
Getting.Worse. And yes its all his fault.
Although preserving a womans right to privacy (a.k.a., abortion) isn't my major point, it is of great concern to me. I am more concerned with Women's Rights, in general, which I see being threatend by conservative agenda's. Agenda's I believe Mitt Romney will wholely support.
The biggest load of horsesheet to ever come down the pike. The Dem's phony war on women. As if the day Romney gets sworn in, all pharmacies will be padlocked.
There is no "blocking access to" women's healthcare. There's just the desire not to pay for consumables…if its a choice, you pay for your choice. Not government.
In the end, the President has very little to do with topic of abortion. It's local statutes, state laws and the Supreme Court.
There is no anti-woman agenda. Its a chimera, a red herring that is a complete falsehood, invented out of whole cloth by the dems. A phonier issue there never was.
How did women suffer under Geo W Bush?
How did women suffer under Reagan?
How did women suffer under Bush 41?
Answer to all? They didn't. And none of those were ever accused of rape, like Bill Clinton, or invited supporters up to their hotel room and propositioned them, like Bill Clinton, or created a hostile work environment after playing with the help. Like Clinton.
Nor were any women under paid by 18% like in the Obama administration, or fled the premises due to abuse like Christina Romer did after leaving the Obama White House.
My economics are fine. My job is secure. All I've got left are my daughters and grandgirls. You do what you gotta do.
And to think statist, leftists like you are the first one to scream "Selfish!" when Republicans balk at spending on social welfare or raising taxes to pay for Leftist squander.
Epic hypocrisy.:upeyes:
TheExplorer
10-21-2012, 13:39
It will be close, but Obama will win. I see plenty of Romney stickers on expensive cars, but none on cheaper ones. Vice versa for Obama stickers. And there are a lot more people without money than with.
I was just with Dick Morris....PA will go Romney! Landslide coming!
G29Reload
10-21-2012, 14:41
It will be close, but Obama will win. I see plenty of Romney stickers on expensive cars, but none on cheaper ones. Vice versa for Obama stickers. And there are a lot more people without money than with.
I see Obama stickers on Priuses more than any other.
Nothing says bag o ****** like an Obama sticker on a Prius.
For those of you who weren't around or were too young to remember, what is happening now is what happened in the 1980 election.
Some background...
Carter beat Ford in 1976 primarily because Ford was named by Nixon to succeed him when he resigned. Ford pardoned Nixon (and draft dodgers who went to Canada). People were tired of the Nixon years and did not trust Republicans after Watergate.
Carter promised to change government. Kind of that hope and change thing. Unfortunately for Carter, his administration didn't do much during the recession of that time. He blamed everything on Ford and Nixon. He was weak on the economy and on foreign policy. Oh, yeah there was that Iran hostage thing that he did little about.
Reagan was vilified as "just an actor" everything he said and did was criticized by the media and even other republicans. He was "opportunist, liar, RINO. He was criticized for his stand on gun control as governor, etc, etc." Yet he continued to gain support throughout the fall. As much as the media and democrats wanted to believe in Jimmy Carter, they couldn't change the fact that Carter was a bad president. Many democrats switched their votes, the so called "Reagan democrats".
I remember watching the news on the night of the 1980 election (we only had CBS, NBC and ABC back then, no cable, no internet). Dan Rather was practically in tears when the numbers started coming in for Reagan.
Reagan came in and we had 8 years of prosperity, actually the best years that I can remember. He had his faults and did some questionable things but he turned the country around.
Obama came in because people were tired of Bush's administration. They were tired of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They were tired of the bad economy.
Obama's policies (whatever they may be) have failed. People are tired of the talk. I know many democrats who will not vote against him, but won't vote this time at all. Nearly everybody I know who voted for Obama last time is switching this time to someone else, usually Romney.
I know lots of libertarians who are holding their noses this time and voting for Romney cause they think another 4 years of Obama would be dangerous.
If I am not mistaken, Reagan's numbers at this point were worse than Romney's are now so I tend to think that Romney is going to win.
It will be close, but Obama will win. I see plenty of Romney stickers on expensive cars, but none on cheaper ones. Vice versa for Obama stickers. And there are a lot more people without money than with.
Votes don't matter if the elitists want Obama to be their puppet, he will be.
They do, and he will, so the best thing everyone can do is join the NRA if they have not already.
glockin-45
10-21-2012, 17:54
Wake up people. This is no longer between the two parties. It's about BHO's socialistic ideas. First socialism, than take GOD out compleatly and communisn will take over.:wow:
Trew2Life
10-21-2012, 18:26
:upeyes:
So many words. So little thought.
Yeah ... There's no concern over womens rights. The Democrats are just imagining the Mandatory Ultrasound laws that Republicans put in place in several states in 2011 and 2012.
The Democrats are hypnotizing the Republicans to make them vote against renewing the Violence Against Women Act in 2012.
Do you even have a woman? Do you know any real women? Are you a woman yourself?
Angry Fist
10-21-2012, 18:28
I see Obama stickers on Priuses more than any other.
Nothing says bag o ****** like an Obama sticker on a Prius.
And they're lucky they don't get fired when the boss walks into the parking lot to decide who to downsize.
OctoberRust
10-21-2012, 18:28
I was just with Dick Morris....PA will go Romney! Landslide coming!
You should have asked him how that debate with Peter Schiff went? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Don't feed the trolls, ladies and gentlemen. The election is November 6th, after which they will simply go back to DU to howl at the moon.
Trew2Life
10-21-2012, 18:35
If you lose your house and job it won't be because of Obama.
Yes it will.
The terror of Obamacare has kept business from hiring. With options for repeal diminishing to Romney's election with a Republican Senate, the path to abuse widens as businesses in order to survive are now laying off FT employees and replacing with PT in order to stay under mandatory thresholds.
Dude you can't work at Happy Burgers for the rest of your life. You need to pick a solid career. Preferablly one with a global presence; perhaps a Fortune 500. (But not WalMart)
sheriff733
10-21-2012, 18:37
Don't feed the trolls, ladies and gentlemen. The election is November 6th, after which they will simply go back to DU to howl at the moon.
I am going to destroy that website with my trolling comments Nov 7.
Can't wait.
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I am going to destroy that website with my trolling comments Nov 7.
Can't wait.
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Hey, no board wars. We want them off of our board, and that's all.
frank4570
10-21-2012, 18:49
Wake up people. This is no longer between the two parties. It's about BHO's socialistic ideas. First socialism, than take GOD out compleatly and communisn will take over.:wow:
A vote for Romney is a vote for jesus. A vote for Obama is a vote for satan.
PhotoFeller
10-21-2012, 18:54
As of today, I'm worried about Romney's ground game effectiveness coming down to the wire.
Today I got a call from the local Republican organization to confirm I had received my absentee ballot. I mentioned to the caller that I want to volunteer in these final days, and I asked for a local phone number to call. Instead of saying "I'll arrange for someone to call you right away" the caller said "check the Romney web site for a volunteer phone number". Somehow, that response fell short of what I expected in a highly contested battleground state that needs all the help it can get. I hope this experience isn't an indicator of how Romney's team is conducting business.
Angry Fist
10-21-2012, 18:56
I am going to destroy that website with my trolling comments Nov 7.
Can't wait.
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I'll give you my password, have at it! :supergrin:
sheriff733
10-21-2012, 18:59
Hey, no board wars. We want them off of our board, and that's all.
Nothing to do with this board.
I'm going rogue lol
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As of today, I'm worried about Romney's ground game effectiveness coming down to the wire.
Today I got a call from the local Republican organization to confirm I had received my absentee ballot. I mentioned to the caller that I want to volunteer in these final days, and I asked for a local phone number to call. Instead of saying "I'll arrange for someone to call you right away" the caller said "check the Romney web site for a volunteer phone number". Somehow, that response fell short of what I expected in a highly contested battleground state that needs all the help it can get. I hope this experience isn't an indicator of how Romney's team is conducting business.
The alternative would be volunteering to fill out voter registrations for dead folks, felons, illegal aliens, and fictional characters.
frank4570
10-21-2012, 19:08
I am going to destroy that website with my trolling comments Nov 7.
Can't wait.
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They're not going to mess with you. They'll just ban you for the troll you are and that will be the end of it.
sheriff733
10-21-2012, 19:13
They're not going to mess with you. They'll just ban you for the troll you are and that will be the end of it.
I'll make another account, and repeat.
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frank4570
10-21-2012, 19:14
I'll make another account, and repeat.
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You and the DU trolls should form some kind of gay club.
sheriff733
10-21-2012, 19:17
You and the DU trolls should form some kind of gay club.
Good one. :upeyes:
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Romney, surprise landslide
Do you even have a woman? Do you know any real women? Are you a woman yourself?
check the state of your own 'giner, I suspect it is slightly askew.
PhotoFeller
10-21-2012, 20:31
The alternative would be volunteering to fill out voter registrations for dead folks, felons, illegal aliens, and fictional characters.
You misunderstood! I support Romney, not the deceased, felon, illegal immigrant and fictional voter party. Oh, maybe you meant I could volunteer for the Democrats! Yea, thats it!
check the state of your own 'giner, I suspect it is slightly askew.
:animlol:
You should have asked him how that debate with Peter Schiff went? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
He can't help the citizens of Conn are clueless!
So many words. So little thought.
Yeah ... There's no concern over womens rights. The Democrats are just imagining the Mandatory Ultrasound laws that Republicans put in place in several states in 2011 and 2012.
The Democrats are hypnotizing the Republicans to make them vote against renewing the Violence Against Women Act in 2012.
Do you even have a woman? Do you know any real women? Are you a woman yourself?
As a matter of fact, the wife and I were laying in bed this morning having our coffee watching the news and the Dem-o-crat "War on women" line came up and she said...
"Do those morons really think the only thing on women's minds is our ******s"!!!! :rofl::rofl: (so what the h#ll is wrong with the "V" word???)
Love that woman.
series1811
10-22-2012, 09:35
Dude you can't work at Happy Burgers for the rest of your life. You need to pick a solid career. Preferablly one with a global presence; perhaps a Fortune 500. (But not WalMart)
Still just can't think of anything positive to say about Obama's last four years, I take it?
November 6 just can't get here soon enough.
sheriff733
10-22-2012, 11:22
As a matter of fact, the wife and I were laying in bed this morning having our coffee watching the news and the Dem-o-crat "War on women" line came up and she said...
"Do those morons really think the only thing on women's minds is our ******s"!!!! :rofl::rofl: (so what the h#ll is wrong with the "V" word???)
Love that woman.
I would have said, "Of course, because its the only thing on ours."
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As of today, I'm worried about Romney's ground game effectiveness coming down to the wire.
Today I got a call from the local Republican organization to confirm I had received my absentee ballot. I mentioned to the caller that I want to volunteer in these final days, and I asked for a local phone number to call. Instead of saying "I'll arrange for someone to call you right away" the caller said "check the Romney web site for a volunteer phone number". Somehow, that response fell short of what I expected in a highly contested battleground state that needs all the help it can get. I hope this experience isn't an indicator of how Romney's team is conducting business.
google Romney Victory Centers. You should be able to find one in your county. They are set up for outgoing calls, not so much for incoming ones. Go to the VC and volunteer, we need all the help we can for the final push.
You and the DU trolls should form some kind of gay club.
You could call it, "GNG Lounge."
Kevinr20
10-22-2012, 16:28
As a matter of fact, the wife and I were laying in bed this morning having our coffee watching the news and the Dem-o-crat "War on women" line came up and she said...
"Do those morons really think the only thing on women's minds is our ******s"!!!! :rofl::rofl: (so what the h#ll is wrong with the "V" word???)
Love that woman.
Megan McCain said "I don't vote with my vag***." On a local radio interview. Twas rather funny.
You can’t get re-elected by spouting out smart ass comments and digs. People are catching on and just being Obama is not going to be enough to win this time. And please, can we stop with the negative commercials already.The local politicians in my area are in a really negative pissing match.:steamed:
droidfire
10-27-2012, 10:13
Answering thread title - I drive a bunch, see romney signs everywhere.
I can't recall the last time I saw an obama sign - not sure what they look like.
I enjoy my drive.
NMGlocker
10-27-2012, 10:20
Voted today.
I found it interesting how many major races were uncontested Republican incumbents.
Not even having a Dem on the ballot for many positions in New Mexico is encouraging.
shotgunred
10-27-2012, 10:31
I am counting on Romney winning.
G29Reload
10-27-2012, 10:53
Now expecting a Romney win after polling showing WI tipping to Romney.
G29Reload
10-27-2012, 10:54
Megan McCain said "I don't vote with my vag***." On a local radio interview. Twas rather funny.
I bet she votes for who ever feeds her. Moooooo.:rofl:
Cali-Glock
10-27-2012, 11:57
So many words. So little thought.
Yeah ... There's no concern over womens rights. The Democrats are just imagining the Mandatory Ultrasound laws that Republicans put in place in several states in 2011 and 2012.
The Democrats are hypnotizing the Republicans to make them vote against renewing the Violence Against Women Act in 2012.
Do you even have a woman? Do you know any real women? Are you a woman yourself?
1) it is the right of a sovregn nation state (of which 50 make up these united States) to pass such laws as they see fit.
2) how are anyone's rights infringed by requiring a woman to see their child - and to witness with their own eyes that indeed it is a living child before they move forward with killing said child?
Armchair Commando
10-27-2012, 13:37
I love seeing the liberals all over in panic mode its too funny, And not too mention all the people i converted to voting for romney in 2012. It's a great thing to be a conservative american! I have never met soo many people in my life who regret voting for obama in 2008 and are now voting for Romney this election!
KalashniKEV
10-27-2012, 13:56
I bet she votes for who ever feeds her. Moooooo.:rofl:
+1000
She might as well support the sharia candidate, once he overturns Roe v. Wade perhaps he can level the playing field for her a bit and get our ladies to cover up more...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ml3KRZ4lmAk/TeDZ3wx3mJI/AAAAAAAAC_g/Turcwd6Q7Io/s1600/burqa+piggy.jpg
I love election time.
It brings out all the knotheads and makes them so visible.
I truly like how they fire off a quip....thinking that they're sayin' something brilliant......but never quite seeming to get there.:wavey:
Trew2Life
10-27-2012, 18:27
Yeah ... There's no concern over womens rights. The Democrats are just imagining the Mandatory Ultrasound laws that Republicans put in place in several states in 2011 and 2012.
The Democrats are hypnotizing the Republicans to make them vote against renewing the Violence Against Women Act in 2012.
1) it is the right of a sovereign nation state (of which 50 make up these united States) to pass such laws as they see fit.
Perhaps it's not. Abortion is still a legally protected privacy in America. Imagine if you had to be anally probed before you did something legally protected in a blue state, like buy a gun.
If you're not for protecting women against voilence, then you are for perpetrators who offend women.
2) How are anyone's rights infringed by requiring a woman to see their child - and to witness with their own eyes that indeed it is a living child before they move forward with killing said child?
I can not speak directly to the point. I am not a woman, but it seems mighty intrusive and demeaning. What is the point of it other than to try to super-impose a code of ethics/morals? I think the mother knows she's pregnant with a living child.
It tickles me how the GOP is so high and mighty toward conception and personhood, but when that embreyo becomes an infant that needs food and healthcare the Rights says, "you're own your own!"
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