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Skyhook
10-01-2012, 07:52
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-07-18.html

How can a country that elected Ronald Reagan have Obama tied in the polls with Mitt Romney?

The answer is: It's not the same country. "

JBnTX
10-01-2012, 07:56
Alternate answer: Polls are unreliable.

I believe that polling itself has also changed.
Today's polls are just one more political tool, designed to influence a voter's decision. And they will lie to accomplish that goal.

DonGlock26
10-01-2012, 08:04
Obama is really in huge trouble. The media is trying to suppress the anti-Obama vote. Just vote, and tune into MSNBC on election night for epic entertainment.

series1811
10-01-2012, 09:11
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-07-18.html

How can a country that elected Ronald Reagan have Obama tied in the polls with Mitt Romney?

The answer is: It's not the same country. "

Unfortunately, I think Coulter has hit the nail on the head.

A lot of us, me included, dont' like to think about the fact that our country is rapidly changing into a different one. But, if you look at how the demographics have changed since then, it was almost inevitable.

And, I think the polls show that it may not be reversible. What absolutely drives many of us crazy about where the country is heading, makes a large (and getting larger) portion of the population very happy.

How else do you explain Obama getting elected in the first place with his qualifications, and what he said he stood for? He didn't sneak up on us. He is doing what he said he would do to the country.

Skyhook
10-01-2012, 09:20
Unfortunately, I think Coulter has hit the nail on the head.

A lot of us, me included, dont' like to think about the fact that our country is rapidly changing into a different one. But, if you look at how the demographics have changed since then, it was almost inevitable.

And, I think the polls show that it may not be reversible. What absolutely drives many of us crazy about where the country is heading, makes a large (and getting larger) portion of the population very happy.

How else do you explain Obama getting elected in the first place with his qualifications, and what he said he stood for? He didn't sneak up on us. He is doing what he said he would do to the country.

You are right, absolutely right.
Over 1/2 of the country underestimated Obama.. particularly his STAR power. Many of us thought qualifications and work history were critical criteria-- we were wrong. The country has changed.... for the worse.

Stubudd
10-01-2012, 09:32
he appears to be cut from the same cloth, the question makes no sense

http://www.freshrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/national-debt-by-president.gif]

series1811
10-01-2012, 09:37
he appears to be cut from the same cloth, the question makes no sense

http://www.freshrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/national-debt-by-president.gif]

Reagan and Obama, cut from the same cloth?

And, this chart, that doesn't even show anything regarding Obama, proves that?


Here's a better chart, with the debt adjusted as a percentage of the GNP. It's a little more revealing (a chart where more inflation make the deficit look better isn't really that great).

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/surplus-deficit.png

See the problem? We always had boom periods following our wars that allowed us to expand our economy. Think that's going to happen this time?

Want to try again?

Snowman92D
10-01-2012, 09:37
One thing sure...we're all the better experienced for seeing the folly of depending on the MSM to properly vett all the candidates and deliver us needed info in a fair and balanced journalistic manner. They failed the republic...deliberately...and they're no better now than Al Qaeda, MoveOn, the Muslim Brotherhood, Pravda, and the DU trolls who attempt to snow everyone. The MSM will be the big loser in all this, and it's beginning to show already.

I think we're better for it, in a lot of ways. A bit more jaded, but better and smarter. I think Hussein and his marxist pals (including in the MSM) are in for a big surprise real soon.

Stubudd
10-01-2012, 09:39
Reagan and Obama, cut from the same cloth?

And, this chart, that doesn't even show anything regarding Obama, proves that?

Want to try again?

Let me spell it out then. Reagan oversaw the first tripling of the national debt since what, WWII? Obama is carrying that mantle pretty well i'd say.

series1811
10-01-2012, 09:47
Let me spell it out then. Reagan oversaw the first tripling of the national debt since what, WWII? Obama is carrying that mantle pretty well i'd say.

And, he expanded our economy at the same time, allowing it to be paid back.

You think your man is going to do that? Not so far, for sure.

ColdSteelNail
10-01-2012, 09:50
The Republican party has been dragged too far to the right by the tea baggers and the Palin ilk. To those in the middle that usually decide elections the Republicans have become too extreme. If Reagan were around to day he would be considered a Democrat.

Stubudd
10-01-2012, 09:56
let's don't

JFrame
10-01-2012, 09:57
The Republican party has been dragged too far to the right by the tea baggers and the Palin ilk. To those in the middle that usually decide elections the Republicans have become too extreme. If Reagan were around to day he would be considered a Democrat.


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Who is the party's nominee again...?

By the way -- given up on your argument that the evil GOP is screwing retired veterans out of COLA's (just as the rest of the FedGov retirees have been for years...?).


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Paul7
10-01-2012, 10:30
Hopefully, the whole novelty of a half black president only works once.

ColdSteelNail
10-01-2012, 10:51
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Who is the party's nominee again...?

By the way -- given up on your argument that the evil GOP is screwing retired veterans out of COLA's (just as the rest of the FedGov retirees have been for years...?).


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Romney won the nomination by default. He had about 25% support in the primaries. He was the best choice among all the other losers.

And no.

JFrame
10-01-2012, 10:57
Romney won the nomination by default.

...So a moderate candidate wins "by default" in a party overtaken by right wing extremists?

Your rationale lacks substance.


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Skyhook
10-01-2012, 11:03
The Republican party has been dragged too far to the right by the tea baggers and the Palin ilk. To those in the middle that usually decide elections the Republicans have become too extreme. If Reagan were around to day he would be considered a Democrat.


You're gay, right?

Not that there's anything wrong in that. :smoking:

snerd
10-01-2012, 11:09
Obama is really in huge trouble. The media is trying to suppress the anti-Obama vote. Just vote, and tune into MSNBC on election night for epic entertainment.
I'm going with my pal Don on this one. Forget the polls. Watch Matthews election night.

IvanVic
10-01-2012, 11:19
Alternate answer: Polls are unreliable.


Most polls are unreliable.

However, the mentality of this country has changed, and I only see the entitlement mentality spreading in the future.

FFR Spyder GT
10-01-2012, 11:21
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-07-18.html

How can a country that elected Ronald Reagan have Obama tied in the polls with Mitt Romney?

The answer is: It's not the same country. "

The latest Wash Post/CBS poll showed....

Obama 63%

Romney 31%

With a 3.5% margin of error.

Wow! If you consider that being even the I need to talk to you about some prime swampland, uh...... Real estate in Florida. :tongueout:

JFrame
10-01-2012, 11:23
The latest Wash Post/CBS poll showed....

Spyder-math...



Even the Fox Noise polls has Obama ahead 46% to 44% with a 4.5% margin of error.

Let's see.............

46 + 4.5 = 50.5 = 51%

44 - 4.5 = 39.5 = 40%

Spyder


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snerd
10-01-2012, 11:31
The latest Wash Post/CBS poll showed....

Obama 63%

Romney 31%

With a 3.5% margin of error.

Wow! If you consider that being even the I need to talk to you about some prime swampland, uh...... Real estate in Florida. :tongueout:
We are the 91%
The most important unnoted characteristic of telephone polls (on which most of the political journalism these days seems focused -- instead of on the economy) is that 91% of people refuse to participate in them. In other words, only 9% of the population is being heard in the polls.Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/we_are_the_91.html#ixzz284NPHGYF

Skyhook
10-01-2012, 11:36
The latest Wash Post/CBS poll showed....

Obama 63%

Romney 31%

With a 3.5% margin of error.

Wow! If you consider that being even the I need to talk to you about some prime swampland, uh...... Real estate in Florida. :tongueout:

AND, only 9% of those 'rung-up' respond to the freaking polls. :rofl:

Gimme a break.

OctoberRust
10-01-2012, 12:31
You're gay, right?

Not that there's anything wrong in that. :smoking:


If he is, and you're implying there's nothing wrong with that, why even mention it?.... :dunno:

427
10-01-2012, 13:20
The Republican party has been dragged too far to the right by the tea baggers and the Palin ilk. To those in the middle that usually decide elections the Republicans have become too extreme. If Reagan were around to day he would be considered a Democrat.

The Republican party of today could be compared to the democratic party of JFK. If anything, the Democrats have move further left. Self-proclaimed Communists like Van Jones, and other sympathisers in the Democratic circle prove this.

Do you think a Democratic candidate running on a platform similar to JFK would make if out of the primaries today?

The Dems would probably call JFK a right wing extremist favoring the rich w/tax cuts.

JFrame
10-01-2012, 13:26
The Republican party of today could be compared to the democratic party of JFK. If anything, the Democrats have move further left. Self-proclaimed Communists like Van Jones, and other sympathisers in the Democratic circle prove this.

Do you think a Democratic candidate running on a platform similar to JFK would make if out of the primaries today?

The Dems would probably call JFK a right wing extremist favoring the rich w/tax cuts.


Yes -- and how about his aspirational proclamation about putting a man on the moon by the end of the decade?

Democrats today would be screaming about how he wants to "divert money from real issues on THIS planet" to pursue some silly dream... :upeyes:


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GAFinch
10-01-2012, 16:13
One thing sure...we're all the better experienced for seeing the folly of depending on the MSM to properly vett all the candidates and deliver us needed info in a fair and balanced journalistic manner. They failed the republic...deliberately...and they're no better now than Al Qaeda, MoveOn, the Muslim Brotherhood, Pravda, and the DU trolls who attempt to snow everyone. The MSM will be the big loser in all this, and it's beginning to show already.

I think we're better for it, in a lot of ways. A bit more jaded, but better and smarter. I think Hussein and his marxist pals (including in the MSM) are in for a big surprise real soon.

I do think that the media is the biggest culprit here. It has resulted in tens of millions of people waking up and spending time seeking out internet news, but it's also resulted in tens of millions not realizing the shift happened and almost completely unaware of who the President is and what he's been doing.

A poll from 2010 showed that 55% of people thought he was a socialist. Given that all 40% of self-identified conservatives probably thought he was, even if they didn't have solid proof yet, that means most independents and liberals didn't. This is confirmed in a poll put out today showing that one-fifth of voters are still (somewhat) undecided. Anyone who truly knows much about the President should either love him or fear him. There shouldn't be much in-between. The sheer amount of media-induced ignorance among most people in the real world is really depressing.