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KalashniKEV
10-03-2012, 07:33
As a spinoff of the other popular thread, what do some of the members here think the GOP should do to recover after a Romney loss?

...and what do you think they will do?

(Do NOT bother posting off topic things like "Romney will win" or "Obama will activate the FEMA Death Camps")

For example:

1) I think they SHOULD purge the vocal minority of social conservatives and the religious right and update the platform on social issues. Make them the wacky third party that everyone makes fun of instead of having a large amount of dissatisfied GOP party members who can't get on the same page policy-wise.

Most Americans are Moderate, with a slight left lean on social policies and slight right lean on fiscal policies. If you deliver a candidate who is a Leader and supports the beliefs of the American people, you have a very good shot at winning an election.

These last two go-arounds have not been "good shots."

2) I think they WILL analyze the areas of the Romney ticket that were weak/ didn't resonate and deliver another RINO in 2016. Maybe more left, maybe more right- they don't have a lot of qualified people to choose from within their ranks, so it will be who presents the least liability.

DanaT
10-03-2012, 07:39
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Most Americans are Moderate, with a slight left lean on social policies and slight right lean on fiscal policies.

Now you have lost all GT street cred.

Everyone on GT KNOWS there are only two type of people.

1) Conservative like me
2) losers

badge315
10-03-2012, 07:41
1) I think they SHOULD purge the vocal minority of social conservatives and the religious right and update the platform on social issues. Make them the wacky third party that everyone makes fun of instead of having a large amount of dissatisfied GOP party members who can't get on the same page policy-wise.

They should do this and I hope they will...but I'm not holding my breath.

Bren
10-03-2012, 07:47
How do you "purge" a political party?:rofl: Do you know of a way you can throw people out?

hamster
10-03-2012, 07:52
They'll do the same thing they always do. Nothing for four years, then pick another useless candidate. If history is any indication the candidate for 2016 will be even worse.

KalashniKEV
10-03-2012, 07:52
How do you "purge" a political party?:rofl: Do you know of a way you can throw people out?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestration

:supergrin:

Please limit your responses to two bullets addressing the OP.

TIA.

HexHead
10-03-2012, 07:54
Stop trying to play to the middle. Force the country to make the decision between hard right or hard left. No more of this 0bama or 0bama Lite BS. Let's just settle it once and for all.

snappy
10-03-2012, 07:57
What a dumb thread, the vote hasn't even happened yet and you've counted Romney out, way to go. You must buy into everything the liberal media spins. He's not my first pick but I'd vote for one of my work boots before I'd vote for this current idiot. I can't hardly find anyone here, much less others that I talk to here in N.C, that are voting for the "chosen one".

Flying-Dutchman
10-03-2012, 08:27
Most Americans are Moderate, with a slight left lean on social policies and slight right lean on fiscal policies. If you deliver a candidate who is a Leader and supports the beliefs of the American people, you have a very good shot at winning an election.

These last two go-arounds have not been "good shots."

2) I think they WILL analyze the areas of the Romney ticket that were weak/ didn't resonate and deliver another RINO in 2016. Maybe more left, maybe more right- they don't have a lot of qualified people to choose from within their ranks, so it will be who presents the least liability.
Why do you care what happens to the GOP? You are a Democrat. And no, the Country is not left leaning.

Romney will win as Americans will think and vote.

If by some chance Obama wins, the 49% dependency class will grow to 60% so the Democrats will have a permanent captive voting block until the whole socialist system collapses then all bets are off.

If the Obama disaster continues, you will see, right or wrong-headed, a Populist Party of some sort either with the Republicans, Tea Party or under a new name.

If the current parties do not address our chronic $700B/year trade imbalance with the loss of manufacturing jobs and if they both ignore the immigration flood, a new populist party will form.

The Democrats have abandoned the private sector working man and is just the party of welfare and Government worker unions.

Good or bad, these forgotten folks are ripe for something new. Pray Romney wins and the economy improves soon.

Diesel McBadass
10-03-2012, 08:33
What should people do when making a political thread?

A. Post it in lounge
B. Dont post it
C. Post it in politial issues
D. Post in general firearms

hint: its b or c

sheriff733
10-03-2012, 08:38
What do I think they will do?

I think they will do the smart thing and start learning how to live/survive in a 3rd world country ahead of time if Romney loses. That way they are prepared when the Obamanation's 2nd term REALLY get's into full swing.

Hell, that's good advice for everyone, for that matter.

Bilbo Bagins
10-03-2012, 08:42
I think, like I mentioned in the last thread, you had a McCain loss and if Romney loses, and they were both like you said RINO moderate republicans, there will be a serious hard core right wing backlash.

God help us, because the only way we can lose to Biden in 2016 is if the GOP puts up a mentally dense, Christian Taliban, Ultra Conservative ideolog as a presidential candidate.

RYT 2BER
10-03-2012, 08:53
What a dumb thread, the vote hasn't even happened yet and you've counted Romney out, way to go. You must buy into everything the liberal media spins. He's not my first pick but I'd vote for one of my work boots before I'd vote for this current idiot".


Romney will win as Americans will think and vote.



Pray Romney wins and the economy improves soon.


I like both of these quotes :thumbsup:

KalashniKEV
10-03-2012, 08:57
Stop trying to play to the middle. Force the country to make the decision between hard right or hard left. No more of this 0bama or 0bama Lite BS. Let's just settle it once and for all.

OK... but seriously... you mean the opposite of that, right?

Why do you care what happens to the GOP? You are a Democrat.

I'm not a Democrat. I'm a Republican.

What should people do when making a political thread?

A. Post it in lounge
B. Dont post it
C. Post it in politial issues
D. Post in general firearms

hint: its b or c

It's election season. The election is "General Discussion."

Nobody reads the sub forums anyway.

God help us, because the only way we can lose to Biden in 2016 is if the GOP puts up a mentally dense, Christian Taliban, Ultra Conservative ideolog as a presidential candidate.

I think that:

1) 2016 will bring us our first female president in Hillary Clinton.

2) A move to pander to the Kookistani Taliban Patriots in 2016 will further alienate the mainstream Republicans and would trigger the collapse of the party (which is already happening slowly).

Magnus2131
10-03-2012, 09:15
I've told you before little Johnny, stomping your feet, yelling and screaming will get you no where. Go to your room and come back when you've grown up.

Bullwinkle J Moose
10-03-2012, 09:16
What should people do when making a political thread?

A. Post it in lounge
B. Dont post it
C. Post it in politial issues
D. Post in general firearms

hint: its b or c

Oh give the OP a break. He's obviously suffering from PTSD and/or is otherwise challenged.

I'm not going to respond to the OP by saying "Romney will win", but I sure am thinking it. :supergrin:

arclight610
10-03-2012, 09:21
Most people I know vote conservative BECAUSE of their beliefs on social issues.

SPIN2010
10-03-2012, 09:24
How do you "purge" a political party?:rofl: Do you know of a way you can throw people out?


Let's see what was the order? Oh yeah! All teachers, scientists, and local party members to the back of the school at 18:30 ... bring a shovel.

kirgi08
10-03-2012, 09:26
:popcorn:

lonewolf01
10-03-2012, 09:28
What should people do when making a political thread?

A. Post it in lounge
B. Dont post it
C. Post it in politial issues
D. Post in general firearms

hint: its b or c

Oh no. You violated his response format rule...two bullet limit. No soup for you!

hpracing007
10-03-2012, 09:34
Stop trying to play to the middle. Force the country to make the decision between hard right or hard left. No more of this 0bama or 0bama Lite BS. Let's just settle it once and for all.

You have to play towards the middle in order to win. I watched this game theory course and it explained it very well.

say you have this number line, 1 being very liberal, 10 being very conservative. And assume 1/10th the population is one of the numbers.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

If you have both sides play hard right and left, then you will have an even match. If you play hard right and they play moderate (5), they capture 1-5 as well as 6-7 because those numbers are closer to 5.

And again, that's assuming an even distribution, which it probably isn't. That's why everyone moves towards the middle.

If the Republicans lose... i dunno. I swear I'm not trying to be racist but they should find some half black/half Mexican guy. Or maybe just a Mexican guy. Or a women. But one who has the values of the party.
The regular conservatives will vote for him because he/she is conservative.
The black and mexican people will vote for him because he's their race. And this is past experience. 95% of black people are voting for Obama this election and probably the last. I wonder why?

Do you think they added Sarah Palin at the last moment, last time because of her brilliance and she was the very best to do the job?

I vote because of issues, but a lot of people don't. And to leave no one out, I guarantee there are at least a few white people who are voting for Romney because he's white. I think it's wrong but that's just the way it is. Either accept it like the democrats or lose again.

If you change too many values, even the social issues that I don't agree with, more of the conservative vote will vote libertarian while the rest vote republican, screwing that entire side over.

Goaltender66
10-03-2012, 09:36
I'm not sure I'm following the OP's reasoning. How will a purge of social conservatives help the GOP in the wake of a Romney loss? I don't think Romney is really the poster child of social conservatism.

If the argument is that "most" Americans lean left on social issues but lean right on fiscal issues, how does Romney not fit that bill? He's getting plenty of grief from the Right for being, among other things, too squishy on the social stuff.

xromad
10-03-2012, 10:04
They might be too busy running both houses of congress to do much else.

RenoF250
10-03-2012, 10:13
You can't purge the social conservatives to win. This isn't our team against their team and you get to pick the players. The Republican party is supposed to be socially and fiscally conservative. There is already a party for the socially liberal and fiscally conservative - Libertarian. I think most people are libertarian but they still identify as R because it is the bigger party.

The Rs are screwing themselves by make issues out of crap and letting the more important stuff go. Gay marriage for example. Simple solution - government gets out of the religious marriage business and creates civil union with all the benefits and protections currently offered by marriage. Marriage moved to the church.

The R party has some great members but they get no coverage. Tom McClintock from my district for example is awesome.

The Dying Gaul
10-03-2012, 10:19
How do you "purge" a political party?:rofl: Do you know of a way you can throw people out?

Joseph Stalin had some experience with political purges.

HerrGlock
10-03-2012, 10:34
http://ankylosaur.com/images/Counting-chickens-B4-Hatched.jpg

I don't have a clue who will win this election and it's rather interesting to see those who apparently have a window to the future spout off their superior knowledge about events not yet having happened.

Weird.

Glock30Eric
10-03-2012, 10:43
They won't change anything nor learn a lesson from it. What happened to McCain is all repeat right now with Romney.

GOP needs to disbands the party into several parties.

KalashniKEV
10-03-2012, 11:17
Oh no. You violated his response format rule...two bullet limit. No soup for you!

I know... I'm really surprised that so many can't follow some simple format rules! :crying:

And again, that's assuming an even distribution, which it probably isn't.

How do you think a moonbat or wingnut candidate would fare if the majority of the distribution fell in the middle and their respective messages only resonated with the lunatic fringe?

I swear I'm not trying to be racist but they should find some half black/half Mexican guy. Or maybe just a Mexican guy. Or a women. But one who has the values of the party.

They have most of those- the problem is that those individuals rose to prominence based on their membership in a traditionally non-Republican group... not their intelligence.

Remember the Pizza Man they had back when this all started?

I don't think Romney is really the poster child of social conservatism.


Yeah, he's just an anti-Choice, anti-Gay, anti-Science, Mormaniac.

GOP needs to disbands the party into several parties.

I'm saying jettison the Kooks and watch the whole situation get better.

Phaze5ive
10-03-2012, 11:36
They need to quit associating themselves with those vocal, nutjob minorities; You know who I'm talking about. They need to realize that their values are more in line with those of America a few decades ago. God, gay marriage, and abortions need to go. Stick to their strong point: fiscal spending.

ETA: In the 2004 election, the Dems were whining left and right about how biased the polls were when they were trailing. The polls were right. The 2008 election showed Obama ahead by a pretty good margin. That poll was right also. Now it's the Republican's turn to whine I suppose, and some people on this forum are doing a pretty good job of downright denying reality too.

syntaxerrorsix
10-03-2012, 11:47
They should do this and I hope they will...but I'm not holding my breath.

Agreed.

Dennis in MA
10-03-2012, 11:50
I would say build a Way-Back Machine, go back to May of 2012 and put their heart and soul into winning both houses of Congress in earnest. How did they forget this??? Maybe even build a REAL CWA-2 and then EXECUTE it.

They mess this up and screw up the Senate, they have 2 years to STFU and get in line. And even then, it won't matter enough. It'll take 4 years to even begin the dig-out.

Goaltender66
10-03-2012, 11:58
Yeah, he's just an anti-Choice, anti-Gay, anti-Science, Mormaniac.


Is he running as one?

He's not running as a guy who will ban abortion (though there is a significant bloc out there who would either prefer abortion go back to state control by vacating RvW, so being anti-abortion is not the vote-getter you seem to think it is), opposing gay "marriage" is not a fringe social con issue, thinking global warming is a crock of crap is not being anti-Science, and it's not very conservative to cast aspersions on someone's religion as you have.

But hey, I'm interested in hearing specifics. So what, exactly, makes Romney "anti-science" in a way that traces right back to social conservatives?

GAFinch
10-03-2012, 12:09
The "Christian Taliban" Republicans can't get elected? Someone should tell that to George W Bush. It is a shame that all those gay people were burned at the stake like that...lost an old college friend to that. By the way, I saw some girls walking out of the local school yesterday...when were they allowed back in? I must've missed that.

KalashniKEV
10-03-2012, 12:10
Is he running as one?

He's not running as a guy who will ban abortion...


These contradictions are part of the problem- he opposes "assault weapon" ownership, but promises not to do anything about it. He opposes abortion, but promises not to do anything about it. He created American socialized medicine, but promises to repeal Obamacare.

Maybe once he has power, you put him in front of the right audience and he changes his mind...

:dunno:

But hey, I'm interested in hearing specifics. So what, exactly, makes Romney "anti-science" in a way that traces right back to social conservatives?

Anti Stem Cell research for one...

oldman11
10-03-2012, 12:29
If Romney doesn't win this could be the last election in America; that is until we take it back from the Muslim leadership.

Goaltender66
10-03-2012, 12:30
These contradictions are part of the problem- he opposes "assault weapon" ownership, but promises not to do anything about it. He opposes abortion, but promises not to do anything about it. He created American socialized medicine, but promises to repeal Obamacare.

Maybe once he has power, you put him in front of the right audience and he changes his mind...

:dunno:
The US voter doesn't give a darn about contradictions, else Obama wouldn't have been elected.



Anti Stem Cell research for one...
Anti embryonic stem cell research, and it's a very defensible argument to be opposed to harvesting embryos for stem cells. Hell, even Clinton didn't support it.

What else?

Glock30Eric
10-03-2012, 12:58
If Romney doesn't win this could be the last election in America; that is until we take it back from the Muslim leadership.

Hahahaha!!! I don't think Obama is a muslim, otherwise he won't go after the ME countries.

devildog2067
10-03-2012, 13:03
Stop trying to play to the middle. Force the country to make the decision between hard right or hard left.

Most of the country is IN the middle. That's why it's called the middle. Those at the ends are called "extremists" and for good reason.

fnfalman
10-03-2012, 13:11
If Romney were to win, do I have to worry about the Feds regulating how booze will be sold and when ala Utah?

Not being able to get booze at any time of the day is more worrisome to me than the economy or the war on terror or drilling for oil or abortion or UN treaties.

LASTRESORT20
10-03-2012, 13:27
***If Berry wins.......Through cheating....Ignorance of the Entitled ...lies..."open borders".....no voter ID...free
phones Cr@p...

All I can say is...Good night, and good luck! Transformation will continue...

oldman11
10-03-2012, 13:27
Hahahaha!!! I don't think Obama is a muslim, otherwise he won't go after the ME countries.
Well he didn't go after this ME country, did he? He didn't give protection for an American, against Muslims did he? Tell where he went after a ME country.

HollowHead
10-03-2012, 13:32
The GOP needs to divorce themselves from religious fanaticism and present candidates who after the most intense of public scrutiny, will still be religiously ambiguent. HH

tantrix
10-03-2012, 13:34
They'll do the same thing they always do. Nothing for four years, then pick another useless candidate. If history is any indication the candidate for 2016 will be even worse.

Bingo.

fnfalman
10-03-2012, 13:37
If Romney doesn't win this could be the last election in America; that is until we take it back from the Muslim leadership.

So you're willing to trade one form of cultism for another?

Not me. Keep America free from theocracy.

KalashniKEV
10-03-2012, 14:08
Anti embryonic stem cell research, and it's a very defensible argument to be opposed to harvesting embryos for stem cells. Hell, even Clinton didn't support it.

It is indefensibly ignroant and anti-Science.

What else?

Well, you've already pointed out Global Warming. Paul Ryan is a creationist, which is a big hit against the ticket. Their energy policy is antiquated, almost backward.

Hahahaha!!! I don't think Obama is a muslim, otherwise he won't go after the ME countries.

Actually, Muslim nations attack each other all the time.

cowboywannabe
10-03-2012, 14:08
What should the GOP do after a Romney loss?

hire a kennedy to be obamas chauffeur and pilot.

Glock30Eric
10-03-2012, 14:10
Well he didn't go after this ME country, did he? He didn't give protection for an American, against Muslims did he? Tell where he went after a ME country.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/--ciwVR1shk0/T9jYzf66QDI/AAAAAAAABYg/LvVB_uRnqTA/s400/181148-triple_facepalm_super.jpg

IndianaMatt
10-03-2012, 14:18
Funny how people are already talking about a Romney loss.

Great choice of candidate, GOP!!!

IndianaMatt
10-03-2012, 14:20
The GOP needs to divorce themselves from religious fanaticism and present candidates who after the most intense of public scrutiny, will still be religiously ambiguent. HH


This is probably the smartest answer here so far.

The GOP has some great ideas for economics and policy, but it is clear that today's America does not want to be told who to pray to, what to do with their ******s, or who to marry.

EDIT: I can't believe the word for the female reproductive organ was censored by GT! That's a dirty word?

KalashniKEV
10-03-2012, 14:33
EDIT: I can't believe the word for the female reproductive organ was censored by GT! That's a dirty word?

It's all about ***** Control!

:supergrin:

series1811
10-03-2012, 14:38
Admit that the Tea Party is the proper counterweight to the Democrats and join up.

RCP
10-03-2012, 14:45
Admit that the Tea Party is the proper counterweight to the Democrats and join up.

Wont happen. They made sure to squash any hope of grassroots movements such as the tea party taking hold at this years GOP convention.

Landmonster
10-03-2012, 14:46
Romney will win.

Glock30Eric
10-03-2012, 17:30
Romney will win.

You didn't read the OP, you failed.

Hawaiiglock
10-03-2012, 18:08
Estimated US voter base

There are an estimated 201.5 million citizens over the age of 18 that are eligible to vote

Out of those 201.5 million people

72 million are registered Democrat

55 million are registered Republican

42 million are unregistered (third/minor party)

32.5 million may/ may not vote, or just don't care






I believe that the majority of the country has a right leaning view when it comes to the economic and political (heck, even 2A and immigration) issues but when it comes down to certain social issues the majority do not see eye to eye with the Republican party. If the Republicans want to have a fighting chance then they need to evolve with the changing times. It's 2012, not 1940, gay people, inter-racial relationships, different religions, different outlooks on life, etc are all common place and those people are not going to vote for a party that they feel discriminates against them. There is approximately a 75 million voter pool (probably some from the Democratic party too) that the Republican party could dip into if they were smart.

syntaxerrorsix
10-03-2012, 18:19
Estimated US voter base

There are an estimated 201.5 million citizens over the age of 18 that are eligible to vote

Out of those 201.5 million people

72 million are registered Democrat

55 million are registered Republican

42 million are unregistered (third/minor party)

32.5 million may/ may not vote, or just don't care






I believe that the majority of the country has a right leaning view when it comes to the economic and political (heck, even 2A and immigration) issues but when it comes down to certain social issues the majority do not see eye to eye with the Republican party. If the Republicans want to have a fighting chance then they need to evolve with the changing times. It's 2012, not 1940, gay people, inter-racial relationships, different religions, different outlooks on life, etc are all common place and those people are not going to vote for a party that they feel discriminates against them. There is approximately a 75 million voter pool (probably some from the Democratic party too) that the Republican party could dip into if they were smart.


I like to call that the Libertarian Party but I've got inside information that Republicans hate us and think we throw away our votes so **** them.

syntaxerrorsix
10-03-2012, 18:19
**** them twice and best of luck with their weak ass candidate.

Restless28
10-03-2012, 18:40
**** them twice and best of luck with their weak ass candidate.

Amen. The hell with both of the Goldman Sachs candidates.

oldgraywolf
10-03-2012, 18:58
It's the center that wins elections and which ever party lands them wins. Talk all you want about energizing the far right base to take over the GOP, but that'll turn off a hell of a lot more voters than it turns on. Same story for the far left.

The monkey wrench in the whole deal is entitlements of various sorts and people tend to vote to not lose theirs. He who seriously tries to reform Social Security/Medicare pisses off a lot of people, many of whom don't even (and perhaps never will) collect much of it. In my eyes, that brings the center leftward.

turretg
10-03-2012, 19:03
What a dumb thread, the vote hasn't even happened yet and you've counted Romney out, way to go. You must buy into everything the liberal media spins. He's not my first pick but I'd vote for one of my work boots before I'd vote for this current idiot. I can't hardly find anyone here, much less others that I talk to here in N.C, that are voting for the "chosen one".

You said it perfectly, I'll second it and I can't add anything more.

frank4570
10-03-2012, 19:13
I absolutely agree. But I think what the republicans will actually do is try to be more fiscally liberal like the other team, but try to take the moral high ground to appease the christians.


Estimated US voter base

There are an estimated 201.5 million citizens over the age of 18 that are eligible to vote

Out of those 201.5 million people

72 million are registered Democrat

55 million are registered Republican

42 million are unregistered (third/minor party)

32.5 million may/ may not vote, or just don't care






I believe that the majority of the country has a right leaning view when it comes to the economic and political (heck, even 2A and immigration) issues but when it comes down to certain social issues the majority do not see eye to eye with the Republican party. If the Republicans want to have a fighting chance then they need to evolve with the changing times. It's 2012, not 1940, gay people, inter-racial relationships, different religions, different outlooks on life, etc are all common place and those people are not going to vote for a party that they feel discriminates against them. There is approximately a 75 million voter pool (probably some from the Democratic party too) that the Republican party could dip into if they were smart.

The Machinist
10-03-2012, 19:18
I like to call that the Libertarian Party but I've got inside information that Republicans hate us and think we throw away our votes so **** them.
Right on! :supergrin:

Spiffums
10-03-2012, 19:42
Obarry already said he was goign to lose the debates because he's not good at it.

MarinePride
10-04-2012, 00:49
Go the way of the Whig Party.

NEOH212
10-04-2012, 02:57
What should the GOP do after a Romney loss?

Try giving us a candidate that's actually worth voting for, preferably someone not as phony and see-through as Romney.

What's brown and rhymes with Mitt....:whistling:

USAF96815
10-04-2012, 03:08
What should the GOP IF Romney loses?

Hide their guns as Barry will come for them.

It amazes me that anyone that loves the 2nd Amend would even consider voting for Barry.

tantrix
10-04-2012, 03:34
It amazes me that anyone that loves the 2nd Amend would even consider voting for Barry.

What amazes me more is that gun owners think Romney won't come for them as well.

NEOH212
10-04-2012, 04:01
What amazes me more is that gun owners think Romney won't come for them as well.

I agree. Just look at his position on gun control as Governor of Massachusetts. That should tell them something. If he really cared about people Second Amendment rights, he would have done more and been more vocal about 2A right all these years.

What's more is when he was asked if he would sign another assault weapons ban if came across his desk as president, he said yes.

He's a no go.

NEOH212
10-04-2012, 04:01
What should the GOP IF Romney loses?

Hide their guns as Barry will come for them.

It amazes me that anyone that loves the 2nd Amend would even consider voting for Barry.

I agree.

Restless28
10-04-2012, 04:19
Wont happen. They made sure to squash any hope of grassroots movements such as the tea party taking hold at this years GOP convention.

That video still angers me. The RNC is corrupt.

Narkcop
10-04-2012, 04:33
:thumbsup:What a dumb thread, the vote hasn't even happened yet and you've counted Romney out, way to go. You must buy into everything the liberal media spins. He's not my first pick but I'd vote for one of my work boots before I'd vote for this current idiot. I can't hardly find anyone here, much less others that I talk to here in N.C, that are voting for the "chosen one".

Goaltender66
10-04-2012, 08:45
It is indefensibly ignroant and anti-Science.
It's quite counter to your assertions. Clinton was the master of triangulation and even he didn't want to get into the public policy morass of embryonic stem cell research...especially when the science doesn't show any advantage over plain old umbilical stem cell research.

So I'm not seeing how it's ignorant, especially when opinions on abortion are pretty well split 50/50 and not exclusively out of religious conviction.


Well, you've already pointed out Global Warming. Paul Ryan is a creationist, which is a big hit against the ticket. Their energy policy is antiquated, almost backward.
Global warming is a fraud perpetuated by anti-freedom activists. Trying to say that's "science" is about akin to giving serious credence to phrenology.

Inre Ryan, are you trying to tell me the excellent Paul Ryan is off your list because of his religion? More to the point, how specifically is Ryan's religion a centerpiece to the ticket? I'd also mention that hey, Obama professes to be a Christian which by definition makes him a creationist as well....

And based on his performance last night, Romney's energy policy is anything but backward. It is eminently reasonable to be against pouring $90 billion into failed green energy companies, especially when the technology isn't there to make it feasible.

So again, your explanations aren't making it clear how purging social conservatives from the GOP is a "solution" to a Romney loss. Romney isn't running as a social conservative, and the major knock against him from the right has tended to be his *lack* of social conservative cred. He's running as a fiscal conservative.

Chuck TX
10-04-2012, 09:05
Amen. The hell with both of the Goldman Sachs candidates.

The reality is you'll get one of them regardless. Then no matter which, next round you will get another, and another. It has never been any other way.

Unless someone is kool-aid drinking moron, politics isn't about picking the perfect candidate or someone you even like, it's about picking the one that will frak over your pocketbook less.

That is the game and you'll never convince enough people to change it.

wjv
10-04-2012, 10:12
Wont happen. They made sure to squash any hope of grassroots movements such as the tea party taking hold at this years GOP convention.

The Tea Party still has a lot of influence at the Senate, House and State levels. If we can re-take the Senate and hold or advance in the House, it would be a fail-safe to an Obama victory.

wjv
10-04-2012, 10:14
Try giving us a candidate that's actually worth voting for, preferably someone not as phony and see-through as Romney.

What's brown and rhymes with Mitt....:whistling:

If you can't see the differences between 'O' and Mitt, and the potential long term impacts on this Country, I feel sorry for you.

Go vote for whom ever you want, but then don't complain about Obama when he wins again, because you will have helped put him back in office.

Glock30Eric
10-04-2012, 10:38
If you can't see the differences between 'O' and Mitt, and the potential long term impacts on this Country, I feel sorry for you.

Go vote for whom ever you want, but then don't complain about Obama when he wins again, because you will have helped put him back in office.

I feel very sorry for you that you have been brainwashed by Obama and Romney, as they are laughing at you because they both have a same plan for America.

tantrix
10-04-2012, 11:28
I feel very sorry for you that you have been brainwashed by Obama and Romney, as they are laughing at you because they both have a same plan for America.

Most people don't want a real solution to this country's problems, they just want a band-aid.

nursetim
10-04-2012, 12:08
They should run a truly conservative candidate that has chutzpah to make a stand and not pander to whomever he/she thinks will garner the most votes. Good ideas speak for themselves.

certifiedfunds
10-04-2012, 12:12
How do you "purge" a political party?:rofl: Do you know of a way you can throw people out?

To leftists its simple. You gas the undesirables.

certifiedfunds
10-04-2012, 12:13
Most people don't want a real solution to this country's problems, they just want a band-aid.

Correct. A real solution means the end of Medicare, Social Security and the rest of the welfare state, a dramatic decrease to DOD and an end to the War on Drugs. The American people don't want that.

USAF96815
10-05-2012, 01:39
He's a no go.

So, you're saying your voting for Barry then?

USAF96815
10-05-2012, 01:39
What amazes me more is that gun owners think Romney won't come for them as well.

So, you're voting for Barry then?

12131
10-05-2012, 01:51
http://ankylosaur.com/images/Counting-chickens-B4-Hatched.jpg

I don't have a clue who will win this election and it's rather interesting to see those who apparently have a window to the future spout off their superior knowledge about events not yet having happened.

Weird.
I LOL'ed.

Fox
10-05-2012, 04:48
The OP wants Nelson Rockefeller for president.

syntaxerrorsix
10-05-2012, 05:22
So, you're voting for Barry then?



No. See this is how it works for all you folks that think a vote for third party is a vote for Obama.

The GOP doesn't count on a Democrat to vote Republican any more than Republicans count on Libertarians to vote Republican. I don't vote Republican. I vote Libertarian.

Guess who counts on the Libertarian vote?

THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE.

We aren't taking votes away from Romney because they weren't likely going to him ANYWAYS therefore they aren't going by default going to Obama.

I know it's tough, parroting that same stupidity over and over worked real well for Obama and his flock so it should work for dumbass Republican sheep as well huh?

If the GOP wants to attract the Libertarian and the likely Independent vote they may want to consider a conservative, Constitution abiding candidate and hope their constituent don't drive them off with their constant *********gery.

syntaxerrorsix
10-05-2012, 05:47
This lame ass rhetoric is no better than a Republican version of calling everyone that disagrees with them a racist. Idiots.

PAGunner
10-05-2012, 06:27
No. See this is how it works for all you folks that think a vote for third party is a vote for Obama.

The GOP doesn't count on a Democrat to vote Republican any more than Republicans count on Libertarians to vote Republican. I don't vote Republican. I vote Libertarian.

Guess who counts on the Libertarian vote?

THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE.

We aren't taking votes away from Romney because they weren't likely going to him ANYWAYS therefore they aren't going by default going to Obama.

I know it's tough, parroting that same stupidity over and over worked real well for Obama and his flock so it should work for dumbass Republican sheep as well huh?

If the GOP wants to attract the Libertarian and the likely Independent vote they may want to consider a conservative, Constitution abiding candidate and hope their constituent don't drive them off with their constant *********gery.

You're cutting your nose off to spite your face. Milton Friedmans was asked about his political affiliations, he stated he's philosophically a libertarian, but a republican for political expediancy. Primaries are for arguing for your philosophy, general elections are for big ideas. Voting 3rd party makes you part of the problem, not morally superior.

onebigelf
10-05-2012, 06:39
They should run a truly conservative candidate that has chutzpah to make a stand and not pander to whomever he/she thinks will garner the most votes. Good ideas speak for themselves.

"They" don't choose the candidates. We do. When the truly conservative voters go Independent, Libertarian and Constitution party, the more moderate candidates win. Ron Paul figured it out. Unfortunately, too many of his supporters haven't and were unable to vote in the primaries. And that is where this fight is made the primaries. Anything else just ensures that the LEAST acceptable candidate wins.

If you truly think that the choice is "the lesser of two evils", get involved and encourage better candidate to run Republican, get back in the Republican party and vote for them in the primaries. If Gary Johnson ran in the primaries as a Republican and won, we'd all be voting for Gary Johnson. I suspect that most of us would be happier about that. As a Libertarian he will not win, has no chance of winning, even if all of us who think he's great abandoned the GOP and voted for him. The road you dream of leads to a 25-30% vote for the Libertarian at best. That still leaves another 25% or so voting for a moderate Republican and the country being run by Progressive/Socialist/Communist Democrats. The lesser of two evils? Or the greater? Voting 3rd party is ************. You end up with a smile on your face and feeling good about what you've done, but it doesn't do a damn thing for anyone else.

John

PAGunner
10-05-2012, 07:38
"They" don't choose the candidates. We do. When the truly conservative voters go Independent, Libertarian and Constitution party, the more moderate candidates win. Ron Paul figured it out. Unfortunately, too many of his supporters haven't and were unable to vote in the primaries. And that is where this fight is made the primaries. Anything else just ensures that the LEAST acceptable candidate wins.

If you truly think that the choice is "the lesser of two evils", get involved and encourage better candidate to run Republican, get back in the Republican party and vote for them in the primaries. If Gary Johnson ran in the primaries as a Republican and won, we'd all be voting for Gary Johnson. I suspect that most of us would be happier about that. As a Libertarian he will not win, has no chance of winning, even if all of us who think he's great abandoned the GOP and voted for him. The road you dream of leads to a 25-30% vote for the Libertarian at best. That still leaves another 25% or so voting for a moderate Republican and the country being run by Progressive/Socialist/Communist Democrats. The lesser of two evils? Or the greater? Voting 3rd party is ************. You end up with a smile on your face and feeling good about what you've done, but it doesn't do a damn thing for anyone else.

John

Exactly +1

syntaxerrorsix
10-05-2012, 09:19
You're cutting your nose off to spite your face. Milton Friedmans was asked about his political affiliations, he stated he's philosophically a libertarian, but a republican for political expediancy. Primaries are for arguing for your philosophy, general elections are for big ideas. Voting 3rd party makes you part of the problem, not morally superior.


Color me the problem then.

I won't participate in the GOP turd polishing.

KalashniKEV
10-05-2012, 09:26
Color me the problem then.

I won't participate in the GOP turd polishing.

+1

Me too.

Until they fix the problems with their platform, they are not capable of fielding a viable candidate- even if they did have a true leader hiding out somewhere, waiting for 2016.

nursetim
10-05-2012, 10:42
Onebigelf, I do not believe we do. Nobody asked me squat. I was given a limited choice on a piece of paper come primary time and it was a cast of fools, no of whom should lead our country.

frank4570
10-05-2012, 13:02
"They" don't choose the candidates. We do. When the truly conservative voters go Independent, Libertarian and Constitution party, the more moderate candidates win. Ron Paul figured it out. Unfortunately, too many of his supporters haven't and were unable to vote in the primaries. And that is where this fight is made the primaries. Anything else just ensures that the LEAST acceptable candidate wins.

If you truly think that the choice is "the lesser of two evils", get involved and encourage better candidate to run Republican, get back in the Republican party and vote for them in the primaries. If Gary Johnson ran in the primaries as a Republican and won, we'd all be voting for Gary Johnson. I suspect that most of us would be happier about that. As a Libertarian he will not win, has no chance of winning, even if all of us who think he's great abandoned the GOP and voted for him. The road you dream of leads to a 25-30% vote for the Libertarian at best. That still leaves another 25% or so voting for a moderate Republican and the country being run by Progressive/Socialist/Communist Democrats. The lesser of two evils? Or the greater? Voting 3rd party is ************. You end up with a smile on your face and feeling good about what you've done, but it doesn't do a damn thing for anyone else.

John

I think the reason the republican party doesn't reflect our views is because republicans don't share our beliefs. They don't consider the constitution as important as their morality laws.

certifiedfunds
10-05-2012, 13:13
"They" don't choose the candidates. We do. When the truly conservative voters go Independent, Libertarian and Constitution party, the more moderate candidates win. Ron Paul figured it out. Unfortunately, too many of his supporters haven't and were unable to vote in the primaries. And that is where this fight is made the primaries. Anything else just ensures that the LEAST acceptable candidate wins.

If you truly think that the choice is "the lesser of two evils", get involved and encourage better candidate to run Republican, get back in the Republican party and vote for them in the primaries. If Gary Johnson ran in the primaries as a Republican and won, we'd all be voting for Gary Johnson. I suspect that most of us would be happier about that. As a Libertarian he will not win, has no chance of winning, even if all of us who think he's great abandoned the GOP and voted for him. The road you dream of leads to a 25-30% vote for the Libertarian at best. That still leaves another 25% or so voting for a moderate Republican and the country being run by Progressive/Socialist/Communist Democrats. The lesser of two evils? Or the greater? Voting 3rd party is ************. You end up with a smile on your face and feeling good about what you've done, but it doesn't do a damn thing for anyone else.

John

They certainly do choose the candidate. They do it in state house races, they do it in gubenetorial races, they do it in congressional races and they do it in presidential races, partially by doing it in the aforementioned races.

Zombie Surgeon
10-05-2012, 13:14
Bad news is there is no gun forum on the Internet where holier than thou Paulistinians are not spamming and hijacking almost any thread.

Good news is they only represent .5% of the electorate so as far as I am concerned they can stay home election day and spew their bile against the "neocons" and "Joos" from their parents home basement.

They just don't matter. In the grand scheme of things they're just a slight nuisance. I came to the conclusion it's better to ignore them and pretend they just don't exist.

certifiedfunds
10-05-2012, 13:14
Like any other organization the party looks out for the best interests of party leadership. Period.

cgwahl
10-05-2012, 13:39
I see it more likely another party will take the place of Republicans. Could be Libertarians. Could be something totally new and different. This won't happen overnight though. Maybe 10 or 20 years.

norton
10-05-2012, 13:45
The worst thing these days any political party can do is nominate a POTUS candidate who is older, and not attractive. The Bamster got elected because his opponent was an old man and Barry looked like a hip dude.
Bill Clinton got elected twice because he was younger and perceived to be "hipper" then either George H or Bob Dole.
GW got elected twice because his opponents were the dufus who reminded the teacher she forgot to assign homework, and Lurch the lying hero.
Sadly, if the Bamster gets re elected it will be because people just like him. Not because of his policies or actions.

So to answer your question, the Republicans need an attractive, likeable, hip, person of difficult to detemine ethnic background.

See how easy that was? :whistling:

Annoyedgrunt
10-05-2012, 14:40
The worst thing these days any political party can do is nominate a POTUS candidate who is older, and not attractive. The Bamster got elected because his opponent was an old man and Barry looked like a hip dude.
Bill Clinton got elected twice because he was younger and perceived to be "hipper" then either George H or Bob Dole.
GW got elected twice because his opponents were the dufus who reminded the teacher she forgot to assign homework, and Lurch the lying hero.
Sadly, if the Bamster gets re elected it will be because people just like him. Not because of his policies or actions.

So to answer your question, the Republicans need an attractive, likeable, hip, person of difficult to detemine ethnic background.

See how easy that was? :whistling:

Yep. Sad to say, for many people it really is an image thing. I've overheard more than a few girls say "I voted for Bush 'cause he's cute!" Didn't help that Kerry looked like a zombie.

It was like this with Kennedy and Nixon, too. I heard once that during their debates, people that heard them on the radio almost all sided with Nixon's policies, but when people saw them on TV, they all flocked to Kennedy.

It reminds me of a Churchill quote: "The greatest argument against democracy is to speak for five minutes with the average voter." IOW, we're screwed. :crying:

syntaxerrorsix
10-05-2012, 20:38
Bad news is there is no gun forum on the Internet where holier than thou Paulistinians are not spamming and hijacking almost any thread.

Good news is they only represent .5% of the electorate so as far as I am concerned they can stay home election day and spew their bile against the "neocons" and "Joos" from their parents home basement.

They just don't matter. In the grand scheme of things they're just a slight nuisance. I came to the conclusion it's better to ignore them and pretend they just don't exist.

We'll see come the election when you get exactly 0% of the Libertarian vote for your Dbag candidate.

In the grand scheme of things the R's are no different than the D's other than the flavor of manure they spread.

Zombie Surgeon
10-05-2012, 21:07
We'll see come the election when you get exactly 0% of the Libertarian vote for your Dbag candidate.

In the grand scheme of things the R's are no different than the D's other than the flavor of manure they spread.
Typical libertarian guy:

http://link2power.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Holier-Than-Thou.jpg

tsmo1066
10-05-2012, 21:56
Color me the problem then.

I won't participate in the GOP turd polishing.

Maybe if you, and a few million like-minded independents would PARTICIPATE in the Republican Party, we'd have some better choices than "turds".

The whole "vote independent" thing is little more than the electoral equivalent of taking your baseball and going home in the 5th inning because you don't like some of your team-mates.

You won't win any games that way and you lose all hope of changing the existing team for the better.

certifiedfunds
10-05-2012, 22:07
Maybe if you, and a few million like-minded independents would PARTICIPATE in the Republican Party, we'd have some better choices than "turds".

The whole "vote independent" thing is little more than the electoral equivalent of taking your baseball and going home in the 5th inning because you don't like some of your team-mates.

You won't win any games that way and you lose all hope of changing the existing team for the better.

On that same note, maybe if you, and a few million others, would quit voting for whatever turd the GOP throws up, we'd have some better choices than "turds".

That works both ways. The GOP knows they can count on your vote because Romney isn't Obama.

427
10-05-2012, 22:18
Third parties don't win major elections. If they do win, they will caucus with one of the two parties, just like Congressman Leiberman and Sanders.

A third party President will caucus with one of the two in order to get stuff done. If a Libertiarian President gets elected he/she will more than likely side with the GOP. So, now what?

tsmo1066
10-05-2012, 22:22
On that same note, maybe if you, and a few million others, would quit voting for whatever turd the GOP throws up, we'd have some better choices than "turds".

That works both ways. The GOP knows they can count on your vote because Romney isn't Obama.

But the process of "throwing up" a candidate is purely internal to the GOP. If you and other independents don't participate, vote and make your voices known, you can't change things internally.

Sure, by taking your votes somewhere else, you might "teach the GOP a lesson" by blowing a general election for them, but that's kind of like "teaching your baseball team a lesson" by taking the ball, going home and blowing the big game.

Wouldn't it be better to work from within and try to sway the internal processes without blowing the World Series?

After all, democracy is, at its heart, a process of compromise and give-and-take. There will never be a "perfect" candidate that everyone agrees on, but fracture and factionism doesn't ever help the issue - it only assures that all factions involved lose the election.

certifiedfunds
10-05-2012, 22:40
But the process of "throwing up" a candidate is purely internal to the GOP. If you and other independents don't participate, vote and make your voices known, you can't change things internally.

Sure, by taking your votes somewhere else, you might "teach the GOP a lesson" by blowing a general election for them, but that's kind of like "teaching your baseball team a lesson" by taking the ball, going home and blowing the big game.

Wouldn't it be better to work from within and try to sway the internal processes without blowing the World Series?

After all, democracy is, at its heart, a process of compromise and give-and-take. There will never be a "perfect" candidate that everyone agrees on, but fracture and factionism doesn't ever help the issue - it only assures that all factions involved lose the election.

My vote doesn't go to the Democratic party, not because its the democratic party, but because its candidates do not represent my interests. Why should the Republican party be any different?

tsmo1066
10-05-2012, 22:50
My vote doesn't go to the Democratic party, not because its the democratic party, but because its candidates do not represent my interests. Why should the Republican party be any different?

Then ask yourself this. Which party would I have the better chance at influencing? Which is closer, on a whole, to my views?

If the answer to that is the Democrats, then jump into the fray and start changing minds. If it's the Republicans, do the same with the GOP.

certifiedfunds
10-05-2012, 22:53
Then ask yourself this. Which party would I have the better chance at influencing? Which is closer, on a whole, to my views?

If the answer to that is the Democrats, then jump into the fray and start changing minds. If it's the Republicans, do the same with the GOP.

What I see is a party that is sliding further and further away from my views. Why is that?

tsmo1066
10-05-2012, 22:57
What I see is a party that is sliding further and further away from my views. Why is that?

Lack of constructive, internal input and participation from people like you?

certifiedfunds
10-05-2012, 23:14
Lack of constructive, internal input and participation from people like you?

When they become large enough, all institutions/organizations become corrupt and self-serving of the interests of its leadership. Whether it be the Vatican, Congress, charity or a political party.

The Republican Party leadership doesn't care about you, your needs or the country for that matter. The Republican party leadership cares about the Republican party leadership.

Congress doesn't care about you or the country. Congress cares about congressmen. If you run for Congress with the intent of changing things, you will not get elected. The parties will see to it. If, by some stroke of luck, you strike upon the right combination of circumstances to become elected anyway, you will quickly get swallowed up by the party or be relegated to ineffective obscurity.

Things will not change until enough people finally decide to quit playing along. Voting for the lesser of two evils only perpetuates it.

HollowHead
10-05-2012, 23:18
Lack of constructive, internal input and participation from people like you?

No. Overwhelming influence from outside sources...just as with any party. HH

HollowHead
10-05-2012, 23:20
The GOP is not failing because of who is leaving, they're failing because of who is taking over. HH

frank4570
10-05-2012, 23:20
Lack of constructive, internal input and participation from people like you?

I think the real answer is that most republicans don't share his views, so his views don't actually matter.

427
10-05-2012, 23:24
When they become large enough, all institutions/organizations become corrupt and self-serving of the interests of its leadership. Whether it be the Vatican, Congress, charity or a political party.

The Republican Party leadership doesn't care about you, your needs or the country for that matter. The Republican party leadership cares about the Republican party leadership.

Congress doesn't care about you or the country. Congress cares about congressmen. If you run for Congress with the intent of changing things, you will not get elected. The parties will see to it. If, by some stroke of luck, you strike upon the right combination of circumstances to become elected anyway, you will quickly get swallowed up by the party or be relegated to ineffective obscurity.

Things will not change until enough people finally decide to quit playing along. Voting for the lesser of two evils only perpetuates it.
You consider tax evaders patriots, but you admit that you are too cowardly to take a stand. You keep beating that drum though.

Things will not change until enough people finally decide to quit playing along. Paying taxes to fund a corrupt .gov only perpetuates it.

Same thing isn't it?

kirgi08
10-05-2012, 23:29
I hope this is a "reset",I want Jindal/West and a few others ta get more on the job training.We have some real strong conservatives waiting in the wings.'08.

frank4570
10-05-2012, 23:30
Things will not change until enough people finally decide to quit playing along. Paying taxes to fund a corrupt .gov only perpetuates it.



And until that time, anybody who doesn't play along may end up in prison.

tsmo1066
10-05-2012, 23:36
When they become large enough, all institutions/organizations become corrupt and self-serving of the interests of its leadership. Whether it be the Vatican, Congress, charity or a political party.

The Republican Party leadership doesn't care about you, your needs or the country for that matter. The Republican party leadership cares about the Republican party leadership.

Congress doesn't care about you or the country. Congress cares about congressmen. If you run for Congress with the intent of changing things, you will not get elected. The parties will see to it. If, by some stroke of luck, you strike upon the right combination of circumstances to become elected anyway, you will quickly get swallowed up by the party or be relegated to ineffective obscurity.

Things will not change until enough people finally decide to quit playing along. Voting for the lesser of two evils only perpetuates it.

I don't share your complete pessimism on the GOP's motives and alleged utter lack of concern, and I don't see how handing elections to the Democrats party, which is AT LEAST as bad as an organization, is somehow the solution.

I'm out of step with many planks in the GOP platform myself, but I've managed to make some waves, at least on a local level, through participation and involvement.

That being said, I can understand your frustration and I guess we just have to agree to disagree on it.

:wavey:

Snaps
10-05-2012, 23:45
the answer is that after a crushing Romney defeat, against the worst president in US history they need to scrap the entire thing and start going what the people want. Have a conservative party instead of the liberal republicans.

tantrix
10-06-2012, 00:06
Bad news is there is no gun forum on the Internet where holier than thou Paulistinians are not spamming and hijacking almost any thread.

Good news is they only represent .5% of the electorate so as far as I am concerned they can stay home election day and spew their bile against the "neocons" and "Joos" from their parents home basement.

They just don't matter. In the grand scheme of things they're just a slight nuisance. I came to the conclusion it's better to ignore them and pretend they just don't exist.


I want know how in the hell the Republican party convinced you (and the rest of the lemmings here) that they give even a rat's ass about personal freedoms and upholding the constitution.

frank4570
10-06-2012, 00:55
I want know how in the hell the Republican party convinced you (and the rest of the lemmings here) that they give even a rat's ass about personal freedoms and upholding the constitution.

Dude, how stupid are you??
Instituting an assault weapons ban and imposing morality laws IS upholding the constitution. Because the constitution.....says...

Look, you vote for republicans or you're a COMMIE!

tantrix
10-06-2012, 01:15
Dude, how stupid are you??
Instituting an assault weapons ban and imposing morality laws IS upholding the constitution. Because the constitution.....says...

Look, you vote for republicans or you're a COMMIE!

:rofl:

Sad, but true.

alexcc
10-06-2012, 01:58
This is what I think will happen:

1) Obama will get a second term. I don't think there will be any drastic changes. The economy will continue to improve slowly and the debt will continue to grow, possibly slower than it is at the moment.

2) Hillary Clinton will run for the Democratic nomination in 2016 with an endorsement from Obama (do you really think Bill Clinton is doing so much for the Obama campaign without a promise of something in return?)

3) The GOP will either:

a) Continue the path it has been on for the past 4 years and lose to Hillary or another Democrat in 2016.
b) Get rid of the religious zealots who would rather see the entire country collapse than allow two gay people to get married. Pick a relatively moderate candidate with charisma, conservative fiscal beliefs, modern and progressive social beliefs and stand a decent chance of a GOP candidate in the white house in 2016 who can rein in some of the spending and start working on reducing the debt slowly.


Whoever wins in November, I think the country will be in a better overall position in 4 years than it is today. I cringe when I see "patriots" who despise Obama so much that they relish in every bit of bad news and negative forecasts about the USA - just so they can blame Obama. People (from both sides) need to get over their political affiliations and take a look at what really matters.

certifiedfunds
10-06-2012, 07:14
You consider tax evaders patriots, but you admit that you are too cowardly to take a stand. You keep beating that drum though.

Things will not change until enough people finally decide to quit playing along. Paying taxes to fund a corrupt .gov only perpetuates it.

Same thing isn't it?

Good insight. I agree.

The difference being I have a family to raise today and I can't do it from prison.

onebigelf
10-06-2012, 07:21
Onebigelf, I do not believe we do. Nobody asked me squat. I was given a limited choice on a piece of paper come primary time and it was a cast of fools, no of whom should lead our country.

I repeat:
", get involved and encourage better candidate to run Republican,"

The party does not pick who runs or who wins. ANY candidate that registers as a Republican can run for the nomination. The registered Republicans vote for their choice.
Except for the caucus states and some states that allow independents to declare at the polling place- which I hate.

John

certifiedfunds
10-06-2012, 07:31
I repeat:
", get involved and encourage better candidate to run Republican,"

The party does not pick who runs or who wins. ANY candidate that registers as a Republican can run for the nomination. The registered Republicans vote for their choice.
Except for the caucus states and some states that allow independents to declare at the polling place- which I hate.

John

Bull. Do you really think for a moment that Romney wasn't the party leadership's choice? That McCain wasn't last go round?

The party recruits candidates at lower tier elections, chooses who gets the party support, culls the "talent" at the lower levels like state houses.

At higher elections it does the same, uses its influence and money to lend support and sway opinions.

Zombie Surgeon
10-06-2012, 10:25
I want know how in the hell the Republican party convinced you (and the rest of the lemmings here) that they give even a rat's ass about personal freedoms and upholding the constitution.


.5%



:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

syntaxerrorsix
10-06-2012, 10:47
.5%



:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Clearly you don't need the Libertarian support this election. Good luck :wavey:

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Hef
10-06-2012, 11:03
As a spinoff of the other popular thread, what do some of the members here think the GOP should do to recover after a Romney loss?

...and what do you think they will do?

(Do NOT bother posting off topic things like "Romney will win" or "Obama will activate the FEMA Death Camps")

For example:

1) I think they SHOULD purge the vocal minority of social conservatives and the religious right and update the platform on social issues. Make them the wacky third party that everyone makes fun of instead of having a large amount of dissatisfied GOP party members who can't get on the same page policy-wise.

Most Americans are Moderate, with a slight left lean on social policies and slight right lean on fiscal policies. If you deliver a candidate who is a Leader and supports the beliefs of the American people, you have a very good shot at winning an election.

These last two go-arounds have not been "good shots."

2) I think they WILL analyze the areas of the Romney ticket that were weak/ didn't resonate and deliver another RINO in 2016. Maybe more left, maybe more right- they don't have a lot of qualified people to choose from within their ranks, so it will be who presents the least liability.

To answer your question properly requires one to accept your flawed premises. Sorry, but I'm not playing that game.

njl
10-06-2012, 11:06
How do you "purge" a political party?:rofl: Do you know of a way you can throw people out?

Withhold all party funding of their campaigns for re-election. Endorse and fund alternative GOP candidates (replacements) who aren't religious whackjobs and Akin-like morons.

Zombie Surgeon
10-06-2012, 11:54
Clearly you don't need the Libertarian support this election. Good luck :wavey:

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Every post written on this forum by "holier than thou" Paulistinians is clearly stating that they will vote for Gary Johnson or will not vote at all because Romney is the same (or worse) than Obama.

So it's not that we don't need the libertarian vote; it's just we're not going to beg for it from a bunch of whiny arse brats who call us lemmings (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=19489927&postcount=119) because they think they're better than anybody else.

Hope I made it clear enough for you.

:wedgie:

syntaxerrorsix
10-06-2012, 12:00
Every post written on this forum by "holier than thou" Paulistinians is clearly stating that they will vote for Gary Johnson or will not vote at all because Romney is the same as Obama.
So it's not that we don't need the libertarian vote; it's just we're not going to beg for it from a bunch of whiny arse brats who think they're better than anybody else.


It's pretty clear that the GOP has every intention of alienating the Libertarians. Your attitude and posts are typical. I hope it serves you well.

Zombie Surgeon
10-06-2012, 12:25
It's pretty clear that the GOP has every intention of alienating the Libertarians. Your attitude and posts are typical. I hope it serves you well.

:upeyes:

You are sorely mistaken if you're expecting us to bow down and beg for the Paulistinian vote after being called "lemmings", "neocons", "stupid" and other such names by you and your colleagues.

So just vote for Obama and get over with it, OK?

syntaxerrorsix
10-06-2012, 13:54
:upeyes:

You are sorely mistaken if you're expecting us to bow down and beg for the Paulistinian vote after being called "lemmings", "neocons", "stupid" and other such names by you and your colleagues.

So just vote for Obama and get over with it, OK?


I don't believe I asked anything from anyone.

What exactly are you ranting on about?

frank4570
10-06-2012, 13:55
:upeyes:

You are sorely mistaken if you're expecting us to bow down and beg for the Paulistinian vote after being called "lemmings", "neocons", "stupid" and other such names by you and your colleagues.

So just vote for Obama and get over with it, OK?

Actually, since romney has said he will sign an assault weapons ban, I would say that voting for romney is more like voting for obamba. I'll bet the NRA has given him an A or an A+.

KalashniKEV
10-06-2012, 14:11
To answer your question properly requires one to accept your flawed premises. Sorry, but I'm not playing that game.

Not sure why you posted then, but thank you for at least addressing format!



So it's not that we don't need the libertarian vote; it's just we're not going to beg for it from a bunch of whiny arse brats…

:wedgie:

Feel free to beg if you want. You can even show up and wash my car.

It's still not going to change the fact that the GOP ticket is WEAK.

certifiedfunds
10-06-2012, 14:49
It's still not going to change the fact that the GOP ticket is WEAK.

I'm sorry but have you looked at the other side of the ball? :rofl:

Obama's never held a real job and Biden's a studdering idiot.

Hef
10-06-2012, 14:52
I'm sorry but have you looked at the other side of the ball? :rofl:

Obama's never held a real job and Biden's a studdering idiot.

"Stuttering idiot". Your citation is in the mail. Don't skip court.

certifiedfunds
10-06-2012, 14:57
"Stuttering idiot". Your citation is in the mail. Don't skip court.

I plead watching the LSU FL game.

Hef
10-06-2012, 15:00
I plead watching the LSU FL game.

Might have to give you a breathalyzer. You could be looking at a charge of "posting under the influence".

syntaxerrorsix
10-06-2012, 15:08
Might have to give you a breathalyzer. You could be looking at a charge of "posting under the influence".

Meanwhile... somewhere in LA.

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Glockworks
10-06-2012, 16:30
As a spinoff of the other popular thread, what do some of the members here think the GOP should do to recover after a Romney loss?

...and what do you think they will do?

(Do NOT bother posting off topic things like "Romney will win" or "Obama will activate the FEMA Death Camps")

For example:

1) I think they SHOULD purge the vocal minority of social conservatives and the religious right and update the platform on social issues. Make them the wacky third party that everyone makes fun of instead of having a large amount of dissatisfied GOP party members who can't get on the same page policy-wise.

Most Americans are Moderate, with a slight left lean on social policies and slight right lean on fiscal policies. If you deliver a candidate who is a Leader and supports the beliefs of the American people, you have a very good shot at winning an election.

These last two go-arounds have not been "good shots."

2) I think they WILL analyze the areas of the Romney ticket that were weak/ didn't resonate and deliver another RINO in 2016. Maybe more left, maybe more right- they don't have a lot of qualified people to choose from within their ranks, so it will be who presents the least liability.
They will not lose this election unless we as a nation are as dumb as the Democrats think. To further answer your opinionated question and supposition on your part is a waste of time to a degree I have already exceeded my daily allotment on.

KalashniKEV
10-06-2012, 16:39
I'm sorry but have you looked at the other side of the ball? :rofl:

Obama's never held a real job and Biden's a studdering idiot.

THAT'S what I'm talking about!!!1!

I, too, am intoxicated and watching the LSU game, so I will make an analogy:

Imagine that you had to fight... I don't know... someone way over-hyped who never delivered... but with a large fan base of complete and total idiots... say, KIMBO SLICE. :supergrin:

They would be like, "Kev, in one month you have to step into the octagon with Kimbo Slice for $1M!" and I'd be like... yeah, he doesn't really have a lot of "technique," but I must respect his Style. There are several strategies to defeat his style... this one best matches up with my own capabilities... so blah blah blah...

NOW... imagine that the Friday night before the fight, Kimbo gets drunk and crashes his car. He has a cracked skull, brain hemorrhaging, one good eye, two broken arms, one broken leg, and they shaved his beard to wire his jaw shut. BUT HE STILL HAS TO FIGHT...

Oh... and he's still hung over...

Mittens is the challenger that could lose that fight.

frank4570
10-06-2012, 16:54
OMG :lol

THAT'S what I'm talking about!!!1!

I, too, am intoxicated and watching the LSU game, so I will make an analogy:

Imagine that you had to fight... I don't know... someone way over-hyped who never delivered... but with a large fan base of complete and total idiots... say, KIMBO SLICE. :supergrin:

They would be like, "Kev, in one month you have to step into the octagon with Kimbo Slice for $1M!" and I'd be like... yeah, he doesn't really have a lot of "technique," but I must respect his Style. There are several strategies to defeat his style... this one best matches up with my own capabilities... so blah blah blah...

NOW... imagine that the Friday night before the fight, Kimbo gets drunk and crashes his car. He has a cracked skull, brain hemorrhaging, one good eye, two broken arms, one broken leg, and they shaved his beard to wire his jaw shut. BUT HE STILL HAS TO FIGHT...

Oh... and he's still hung over...

Mittens is the challenger that could lose that fight.

kat1950
10-06-2012, 18:54
Now you have lost all GT street cred.

Everyone on GT KNOWS there are only two type of people.

1) Conservative like me
2) losers

I am with you, The President will lose, he is a true idiot and showed that the other night.

The OP has been a LOSER since day one. Do not even participate in this ridiculous thread.

tantrix
10-06-2012, 19:00
I am with you, The President will lose, he is a true idiot and showed that the other night.

The OP has been a LOSER since day one. Do not even participate in this ridiculous thread.

You have entirely too much faith in Romney to sound logical.

frank4570
10-06-2012, 20:44
I am with you, The President will lose, he is a true idiot and showed that the other night.

The OP has been a LOSER since day one. Do not even participate in this ridiculous thread.

:rofl:

alexcc
10-06-2012, 23:03
I am with you, The President will lose, he is a true idiot and showed that the other night.

The OP has been a LOSER since day one. Do not even participate in this ridiculous thread.

Pretty sure Dana was being sarcastic...:whistling:

MRex21
10-07-2012, 00:16
Now you have lost all GT street cred.

Everyone on GT KNOWS there are only two type of people.

1) Conservative like me
2) losers

After returning to GlockTalk after a few years hiatus...really...I don't even need to read the rest of this thread. You had me at this. :supergrin:

:beer::beer::yourock:

glockski
10-07-2012, 06:23
Same thing that everyone else should be doing, Stock up on ammo, food and water.

MtnBiker
10-07-2012, 19:49
... the only way we can lose to Biden in 2016 is if the GOP ....

I think Hillary has positioned herself pretty well to be a stronger candidate than Biden.

JuneyBooney
10-07-2012, 23:13
Now you have lost all GT street cred.

Everyone on GT KNOWS there are only two type of people.

1) Conservative like me
2) losers

:rofl:That is a good way to say it.

ChuteTheMall
10-08-2012, 07:13
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SteveH
10-08-2012, 07:42
Two words:

Chris Christy

kirgi08
10-08-2012, 08:43
As a cabinet seat,heck ya.'08.

webb3201
10-08-2012, 12:52
The every 80ish year depression cycle will hit during the next four years and run for about a decade. QE1-3 have not restarted the economy, but have held off the cycle just a bit. If Obama wins again, he will be sitting in power during the collapse. That will kill a Democratic chance at the office for about 2 more elections. I still think both parties want to lose this election to keep from being in charge.

series1811
10-08-2012, 14:34
THAT'S what I'm talking about!!!1!

I, too, am intoxicated and watching the LSU game, so I will make an analogy:

Imagine that you had to fight... I don't know... someone way over-hyped who never delivered... but with a large fan base of complete and total idiots... say, KIMBO SLICE. :supergrin:

They would be like, "Kev, in one month you have to step into the octagon with Kimbo Slice for $1M!" and I'd be like... yeah, he doesn't really have a lot of "technique," but I must respect his Style. There are several strategies to defeat his style... this one best matches up with my own capabilities... so blah blah blah...

NOW... imagine that the Friday night before the fight, Kimbo gets drunk and crashes his car. He has a cracked skull, brain hemorrhaging, one good eye, two broken arms, one broken leg, and they shaved his beard to wire his jaw shut. BUT HE STILL HAS TO FIGHT...

Oh... and he's still hung over...

Mittens is the challenger that could lose that fight.

I don't think Obama believes you. :supergrin:

wjv
10-08-2012, 16:33
PEW: Romney 49% Obummer 45%

Kahala
10-09-2012, 02:23
2) I think they WILL analyze the areas of the Romney ticket that were weak/ didn't resonate and deliver another RINO in 2016.

Rino? Does that mean Chris Christie?

Assuming he can make it to 2016

IvanVic
10-09-2012, 05:09
Admit that the Tea Party is the proper counterweight to the Democrats and join up.

And this is basically the problem with our party. The tea party couldn't even win majority support within the republican party itself, otherwise Romney would never have won the nomination. If the right continues to harp on social issues, as the tea party constituency does, they'll harp their way to irrelevancy.


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kodiakpb
10-09-2012, 12:52
It's still not going to change the fact that the GOP ticket is WEAK.

and the Dems are strong???

Take off that tab Ranger

KalashniKEV
10-09-2012, 13:01
and the Dems are strong???

No... they are not strong at all... which is the point of the thread. It should be a complete and total no brainer.

Obama is the most vulnerable incumbent in history.

This ticket is so incredibly WEAK that they might not be able to pull it off!

Take off that tab Ranger

Keep that word out of your mouth.

tsmo1066
10-09-2012, 13:11
PEW: Romney 49% Obummer 45%

Pew still has Romney up by 4%, while Rasmussen has them tied and Gallup has Romney up 2%.

Just one week ago Gallup had Obama up by 5%, Pew had Obama up by 2% and so did Rasmussen.

The momentum has definitely shifted since the debate.

kodiakpb
10-09-2012, 13:15
Keep that word out of your mouth.

I'm qualified to say it


RLTW

ICARRY2
10-09-2012, 13:24
If most of America is moderate, slightly left on social issues and slightly right on fiscal issues, then why dont the democrats put up a candidate like this too, instead of Obama who is a radical socialist?

devildog2067
10-09-2012, 13:30
and the Dems are strong???

Take off that tab Ranger

Granted I was a Marine, not Army, but I don't think blindly supporting a particular political party is a requirement to wear a Ranger tab.

devildog2067
10-09-2012, 13:32
If most of America is moderate, slightly left on social issues and slightly right on fiscal issues, then why dont the democrats put up a candidate like this too, instead of Obama who is a radical socialist?
Obama isn't any kind of radical socialist.

Yes, he leans way too far left for my taste, and by American standards he's an extreme candidate, but he is not a radical socialist. Take a look at politics outside of the US sometime if you want to see true radical socialism.

RYT 2BER
10-09-2012, 13:35
No... they are not strong at all... which is the point of the thread. It should be a complete and total no brainer.

Obama is the most vulnerable incumbent in history.

This ticket is so incredibly WEAK that they might not be able to pull it off!




I probably dont agree with much of anything KalashniKev says but in this case I do..

Im totally in for Romney so I dont care much about these threads.. Im voting for Romney no matter what.. And with that said I very much hope he wins..

However it is sad, because Obamas presidency honestly is riddled with crap. It is truly a failed presidency with little or nothing positive to run on...

Hard to believe it would be even close, but again I dont know if thats related to Romney or just political idealogues who would follow a democrat into the ocean.

kodiakpb
10-09-2012, 13:38
No... they are not strong at all... which is the point of the thread. It should be a complete and total no brainer.

Obama is the most vulnerable incumbent in history.

This ticket is so incredibly WEAK that they might not be able to pull it off!

I agree with that, but sadly there are a lot of simple minded people in this world.

syntaxerrorsix
10-09-2012, 15:03
and the Dems are strong???

Take off that tab Ranger

If someone said the same thing about my Sapper tab I'd invite them over to try.

Cheap shot by anyone's standards.

Sharkey
10-09-2012, 15:16
And this is basically the problem with our party. The tea party couldn't even win majority support within the republican party itself, otherwise Romney would never have won the nomination. If the right continues to harp on social issues, as the tea party constituency does, they'll harp their way to irrelevancy.


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Irrelevant they are not seeing that they were monumental in the GOP taking the House in 06. If Mittens wins and I think he very well could, the GOP can thank the TP for that too but of course they won't. Fiscal matters are the priority followed by foreign policy but I wouldn't nix social issues either.

Also, to answer the original question, the GOP should look into voter fraud if O wins.

kodiakpb
10-09-2012, 17:05
If someone said the same thing about my Sapper tab I'd invite them over to try.

Cheap shot by anyone's standards.

Relax hero, I agree with him ...just a little sarcastic humor that didn't translate well over the Internet.

HWI
10-09-2012, 17:07
Dump the religious nuts and pick up more libertarian minded folks.
Gary Johnson is going to swing the vote because he is the only candidate that gives a **** about civil liberties and won't bury us in more debt with bull**** wars and reckless spending.

syntaxerrorsix
10-09-2012, 17:18
Relax hero, I agree with him ...just a little sarcastic humor that didn't translate well over the Internet.

Clearly :wavey:

Jay9928
10-09-2012, 17:18
C'mon Mr. Ryan, smoke that old b*****d Thursday !

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Typical libs will salt and pepper EVERY little thing. These debates are like when I was young watching the main event on WrestleMania.

syntaxerrorsix
10-09-2012, 17:23
Thursday's debate has a lot of potential to be 'epic'.

The stupid is strong with Biden, of this there is no doubt.

kodiakpb
10-09-2012, 17:30
I'm looking forward to it.

aplcr0331
10-09-2012, 17:35
Have you heard some of Biden's prepared stuff? His speach at the 9/11 PA Memorial was outstanding. He's taking 6 days out to prepare for this. I don't think it's going to be a blood bath like some propose. I hope it is, but I doubt it.

Of course if you had told me Romney would have made Obama look so bad, I would have told you that you were nuts. We'll see what happens on Thursday.

I hope Ryan does not get cocky or complacent.

syntaxerrorsix
10-09-2012, 17:52
Have you heard some of Biden's prepared stuff? His speach at the 9/11 PA Memorial was outstanding. He's taking 6 days out to prepare for this. I don't think it's going to be a blood bath like some propose. I hope it is, but I doubt it.

Of course if you had told me Romney would have made Obama look so bad, I would have told you that you were nuts. We'll see what happens on Thursday.

I hope Ryan does not get cocky or complacent.

Anyone can memorize a speech. He'll have to answer on the fly. I think this was Obama's problem as well. The biggest problem Joe will have is keeping his off the cuff remarks in check. There's a pretty good chance he won't be able to and that will be were the fun begins :supergrin:

dredglock
10-09-2012, 20:31
push poling at it's weakest. boo hoo only answer my questions the way i want
or dont answer.

FAIL.

FLIPPER 348
10-09-2012, 20:47
I'm qualified to say it


RLTW



...at being jackholes it seems in your case