5.56 Hog and Deer Rounds [Archive] - Glock Talk

PDA

View Full Version : 5.56 Hog and Deer Rounds


TattooedGlock
10-03-2012, 13:18
This is not a debate if the 5.56 can take hogs and deer. It can, it will, and I have; and it's legal here in Texas.

I'm just curious to hear from folks who have also hunted with thier 5.56 and what rounds they seem to like the best. I've used Green Tips, Black Hills and Winchester Boar rounds in the past but am always looking for something new and improved. I've read some good thing about Hornady's Nosler Partition Deer round.

Thoughts and photos always appreciated!

WoodenPlank
10-03-2012, 13:55
Nosler Partition has a good reputation, same with the Barnes TSX loads. I'd imagine that Mk. 262 would do well, also.

Green Tip is the LAST thing I would use on any wild game.

Mayhem like Me
10-03-2012, 13:57
Federal tactical Bonded softpoint .223 62 grain...

It holds up through gristle and bone.

Beware Owner
10-03-2012, 14:01
Up to what size deer would you take with a 5.56?

NeverMore1701
10-03-2012, 14:44
Up to what size deer would you take with a 5.56?

More a function of load, platform, and distance than deer size.

I've heard some locals saying the 62gr Fusion out of a 20" barrel does great out to 200 yards, so I'm gonna give it a try this season.

The 70gr TSX also gets fantastic reviews, but it's not available locally and I'm not paying shipping for just a couple boxes.

ezdaar
10-03-2012, 14:51
With 5.56, Shot placement is only thing you need to know.
Don't recall the brand or type my buddy used. but he took a 150Y shot on a doe. Hit her left shoulder blade, Blew it to ****. but she still ran 300 yards.

We found her 6 hours later ALIVE and kicking.

NeverMore1701
10-03-2012, 15:05
With 5.56, Shot placement is only thing you need to know.
Don't recall the brand or type my buddy used. but he took a 150Y shot on a doe. Hit her left shoulder blade, Blew it to ****. but she still ran 300 yards.

We found her 6 hours later ALIVE and kicking.

Sounds like a terrible shot.

ezdaar
10-03-2012, 15:10
nah, it was a great shot, his timing was off, and she stepped forward.if she hadn't stepped forward, he would have blown he heart to shreds.

faawrenchbndr
10-03-2012, 15:23
Head shots,..........

bmoore
10-03-2012, 15:33
I would run a 62grn pointed soft point like a core lokt or similar, or the 77grn offerings.

NeverMore1701
10-03-2012, 16:08
nah, it was a great shot, his timing was off, and she stepped forward.if she hadn't stepped forward, he would have blown he heart to shreds.

So, it was a bad shot. That's fine, we all make 'em. Can't blame the round.

WinterWizard
10-03-2012, 16:10
nah, it was a great shot, his timing was off, and she stepped forward.if she hadn't stepped forward, he would have blown he heart to shreds.

That's what he meant, that the shot did NOT hit the vitals. Can't blame the caliber or round for that.

K. Foster
10-03-2012, 16:17
The heaviest soft point you can find.

vafish
10-03-2012, 16:36
My experience on hogs with 62 gr Winchester was disappointing.

Biggest problem is little bullets that dont exit big hogs leave no blood trail to follow.

The 6.5 sweede worked much better.

On our tiny va deer the .223 would probably be fine if it were legal.

Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine

Glockdude1
10-03-2012, 16:39
Head shots,..........

:agree:

bikerdog
10-03-2012, 16:42
64 grain federal tbbc works well on deer never tried it on hogs but would imagine it would work well.

Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine

Travclem
10-03-2012, 17:36
64gr fusion and 70gr TSX handload on things I eat(deer), Hornady 75gr OTM handload on things I don.t(Hogs). Both do the job well.

cyphertext
10-03-2012, 18:30
Haven't taken deer with the AR, but 62gr Silver Bear hollow point worked fine for me on hogs. No need to spend big money on bullets for those critters.

Big Bird
10-03-2012, 19:20
I've shot a fair number of deer size game with Nosler partitions in various calibers and platforms. They have almost universally performed the same way. Complete penetration on classic heart/lung shots. About 15-18" penetration on more oblique shots with bones in the way.

In the few instances where I managed to recover the bullets they all expanded to about 150% of their original diameter and they all universally shed their front core and retained ~60% of their original weight. I don't consider that a failure BTW. Some people will. After all I had to recover the animal to find those bullets!

Having said that, in a 5.56 you simply need as much mass as possible. You really don't want fragmenting bullets. Its not that fragmenting bullets can't kill deer well when they are hit perfectly. They can and will. However hunting will not always present those perfect opportunities and sometime things that appear perfect when the trigger broke go to hell when you hit a branch or the animal takes a half a step etc. So you want a bullet than CAN break shoulders and femurs and keep going.

Deer are not hard to kill at the end of the day.

I don't hunt them with a 5.56 but don't judge you if you do. If I did I'd probably use a solid copper bullet like a Barnes TSX or TTX in the heavier weights (60-80 grains) and I'd keep my shots to under 200 yards particularly if you have a 16" or shorter barrel.

AK_Stick
10-03-2012, 21:14
Up to what size deer would you take with a 5.56?



5.56 will cleanly take caribou with a good heart/lung shot, even penetrating both shoulders, or a shoulder and spine.


It will certainly take any size, or breed of deer you're likely to encounter, so long as you place the round in the vitals.


I'd pick a heavy load like the 62-70 grain TSX and run with it.

jeager
10-03-2012, 22:27
Reminder:
Once you get into those heavier/longer projectiles,
you MIGHT need a Faster Twist barrel.

M1A Shooter
10-03-2012, 22:47
been debating this myself lately as im down to just an AR and deer season is coming faster than the rifle budget :( i have a 1:9 twist that doesnt shoot great with the 77gr SMKs. it does however shoot 62gr HP wolf ammo pretty decently. probably wont use them on deer though as i dont trust them to expand.

probably going to load up with some 64gr Fusions and see what happens. if they do good enough on deer, i may start keeping them in my 2 legged critter mags as well.

NeverMore1701
10-03-2012, 23:08
Where do you people find 64gr Fusions? I'm only seeing 62s, but that's locally.

Disregarded9-side
10-03-2012, 23:17
Cor-Bon DPX cartridges with the Barnes TSX bullet. The round is all copper and expands very well. Being Cor-Bon, velocity is quite impressive.

I've hunted deer with these in an AR carbine before, and plan to do so again next month.

Read the reviews of these on midwayusa.com or the like.

Travclem
10-04-2012, 02:58
Where do you people find 64gr Fusions? I'm only seeing 62s, but that's locally.

Maybe they are 62s.


Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine

NeverMore1701
10-04-2012, 03:02
Maybe they are 62s.


Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine

That would explain my confusion, felt like I was missing something :dunno:

SFW
10-04-2012, 10:44
62 grain will take hogs all day long. I've actually taken quite a few hogs with standard 55 grain rounds.

jeepinbandit
10-04-2012, 12:23
I've had luck with hogs using the 62grn Soft Point Russian ammo. Deforms nicely. The MFS, Brown, and Silver Bear 62grn Soft Point ammo all uses the same projectile as far as I can tell. And it's cheap enough to stack it deep.

TattooedGlock
10-04-2012, 17:25
I've had luck with hogs using the 62grn Soft Point Russian ammo. Deforms nicely. The MFS, Brown, and Silver Bear 62grn Soft Point ammo all uses the same projectile as far as I can tell. And it's cheap enough to stack it deep.

As many pros and cons as I've heard; I can't bring myself to shoot an Russian ammo through my Made in USA AR. :P

M1A Shooter
10-04-2012, 17:28
sorry was confusing the 64gr winchester rangers and the 62gr federal fusion.

Big Bird
10-04-2012, 18:42
Wild Boar Fever 3 - Hunters Video - YouTube


This is how its done on hogs (in Europe anyhow)

Wild Boar Fever 3 - Hunters Video - YouTube

jeepinbandit
10-04-2012, 19:58
As many pros and cons as I've heard; I can't bring myself to shoot an Russian ammo through my Made in USA AR. :P

Eh it's all my rifle ever really shoots. Heck the 62 grn SP is all I pretty much buy and stash away anymore. I usually put the nickel plated stuff at the front and shoot that first though guess it's less corrosion resistant than the laquer coated stuff.

skeeter1959
10-04-2012, 20:44
It's a hog....Head shots are the best, but if you make a bad shot, remember it's a hog not a King Ranch buck.

I like anything with a soft tip.

glock2740
10-04-2012, 21:25
Wild Boar Fever 3 - Hunters Video - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMukvu4zN3c&feature=related)


:wow: I don't know what those guys are using, but it damn sure works. :thumbsup:

NeverMore1701
10-04-2012, 21:53
Wild Boar Fever 3 - Hunters Video - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMukvu4zN3c&feature=related)


This is how its done on hogs (in Europe anyhow)

Wild Boar Fever 3 - Hunters Video - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMukvu4zN3c&feature=related)

Damn I miss hog bustin'!

Big Bird
10-04-2012, 22:28
:wow: I don't know what those guys are using, but it damn sure works. :thumbsup:

The guy doing the shooting is named Franz Albrecht Öttingen-Spielberg (how's that for a mouthful?)

He's using a Sauer 202 Bolt action in 7mm Rem Mag.

I've seen him in several other videos and the guy can shoot running game for sure...

GermanyBound
10-05-2012, 08:44
The guy doing the shooting is named Franz Albrecht Öttingen-Spielberg (how's that for a mouthful?)

He's using a Sauer 202 Bolt action in 7mm Rem Mag.

I've seen him in several other videos and the guy can shoot running game for sure...

Is that the younger guy in the video? I've seen a video of him going 10 for 10 on running hogs. The dude can straight up shoot.

Big Bird
10-05-2012, 09:09
yes--he's the younger guy.

I've been on drive hunts in Germany. Best I ever did was three pigs in a day. Its not as hard as it looks if you practice. And they practice all the time.

TactiCool
10-06-2012, 17:22
This thread reminds me of the live animal testing that LeMas did all those years ago. The footage is still on youtube for those who can stomach it. It's gruesome, but it shows how effective light weight, hyper velocity 5.56 rounds can be, even on pigs.

405dave
10-06-2012, 18:04
I used 64 gr. winchester soft points till I ran out. Never lost one (10-12 deer) Now I'm using 75 gn. TAP. I shot a large doe with it last year and she was DRT. I need a few more before I trust it. For hogs I use whatever I have with me. 17 hmr in the ear will work in a pinch. These are vermine and not game. Year round open season to eliminate this distructive animals.

EdcLabRat
10-06-2012, 18:05
Hunted deer with my AR last year and I used Winchester 64gr power points. They performed fine for me. The only thing I'm going to do different this year is get a lower capacity magazine for easier maneuverability in the deer stand.

K. Foster
10-06-2012, 20:46
The 64 gr. winchester load has worked for me as well.

whitebread
10-07-2012, 00:59
Last year I started considering using one of my AR's for deer hunting - my 24" bolt action .30-06 is a 1/3 MOA gun, and I have complete confidence I can hit anything I aim at, but it is a bear to drag around the thick pine forests that I hunt in. Not to mention the tritium in the ACOG on my AR would be worth its weight in gold during those 30 minutes before sunrise and after sunset. Earlier this evening, after a long day of walking 9+ miles with a muzzle loader (26" barrel), I decided the AR is coming out next weekend for the opening of rifle season purely based on ergonomics, weigh, and sling function. I ordered the 62 grain Federal Fusion (based on my research)...hopefully I can post back soon with a report of how this ammo worked on a whitetail. :)

LL6
10-13-2012, 20:22
yes--he's the younger guy.

I've been on drive hunts in Germany. Best I ever did was three pigs in a day. Its not as hard as it looks if you practice. And they practice all the time.

I didn't hunt in Deutschland, but I did enjoy the local Wildschwein and Hirsch. Made friends with a Metzger who also owned a Gastaus. He was a big hunter and collector.

He used to serve a lot of the game he took in his Gasthaus. Typically after dessert he would show me his latest gun purchases. I remember one of his pride and joys was an engraved drilling (forget the calibers) that had cost him around DM 17k circa 1980.