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Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 19:37
...must say Mittens is A LOT better than I was expecting.

:elephant: :dancing:

Airborne Infantryman
10-03-2012, 19:38
...must say Mittens is A LOT better than I was expecting.

:elephant: :dancing:

Mitt Romney on cutting subsidies to PBS-

"I'm stopping subsidies to PBS, no offense Jim. I like Big Bird, I like you too".

LOL. Win.

Romney has been verbally *****-slapping Obama from the start of this thing.

Obama looks visually uncomfortable....:whistling:

Altaris
10-03-2012, 19:39
If I was actually playing one of these Debate Drinking games I would be passed out drunk already.

fnfalman
10-03-2012, 19:40
Good.

I still won't vote for Romney but I always relish Obama's publich trashing.

Rotn1
10-03-2012, 19:41
Whoooooooooo hhhooooooooooooo.
He kicking is backside

lvl1trauma
10-03-2012, 19:42
I can't watch. I hate even looking at Obama Bin Ladin. He makes me want to puke.

Dalton Wayne
10-03-2012, 19:43
Bring it Mitt :supergrin:

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 19:44
Obama

http://www.freeclipartnow.com/d/40300-1/arrow-outline-purple-down.jpg

http://myzerowaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/shredded-paper.jpg

farmer-dave
10-03-2012, 19:45
I agree Romney is doing very well.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 19:46
I dont see it.

I think it is like a damned pep rally, you are biased to the guy you want to win.

It sounds like two people saying much of the same thing with a mild disagreement.

Romney must attack the last 4 years, ATTACK. Instead he is trying to educate people and defend his positions. No one wants to be educated, they want a show. F'ing gut him man....eviscerate what is one of the worst records ever.

They both suck, it all sucks. I weep for what was once the Republic.

Of course, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. He will manage the decay better.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 19:47
I agree Romney is doing very well.

Obama is looking panicked and lost.
Must be the teleprompter withdrawal symptoms.

Dalton Wayne
10-03-2012, 19:50
obama is looking panicked and lost.
Must be the teleprompter withdrawal symptoms.
+1000

arclight610
10-03-2012, 19:51
I think Romney is definitely the better talker tonight.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 19:51
Romney must attack the last 4 years, ATTACK. Instead he is trying to educate people and defend his positions. No one wants to be educated, they want a show. F'ing gut him man....eviscerate what is one of the worst records ever.


I agree with you but let us not forget there are millions who until today never heard Mittens speak. If he just attacks and attacks without explaining why he is better than his opponent Romney will appear to be overly aggressive and mean.

Glock13
10-03-2012, 19:52
Stud City. Romney killing it.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 19:53
I think Romney is definitely the better talker tonight.

You can clearly see the competence and confidence of a successful businessman and leader emanating from the guy.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 19:54
I agree with you but let us not forget there are millions who until today never heard Mittens speak. If he just attacks and attacks without explaining why he is better than his opponent Romney will appear to be overly aggressive and mean.

I am well aware that "the psychology of sales is smarter than I am." They have workshopped this, focus grouped it and employed the best practice methods that are designed to give a result...and that result may not include making *me* happy.

That doesnt change the problems we have in this country.

Restless28
10-03-2012, 19:56
I dont see it.

I think it is like a damned pep rally, you are biased to the guy you want to win.

It sounds like two people saying much of the same thing with a mild disagreement.

Romney must attack the last 4 years, ATTACK. Instead he is trying to educate people and defend his positions. No one wants to be educated, they want a show. F'ing gut him man....eviscerate what is one of the worst records ever.

They both suck, it all sucks. I weep for what was once the Republic.

Of course, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. He will manage the decay better.

Thank you for posting some common sense into this fanboy thread. I doubt that it will cure the blindness of the GT "conservatives", though.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 19:56
I will admit, Romney does look more "in control" and Obama is looking a tad frustrated (as predicted)

But the message is lost with all the details.

Restless28
10-03-2012, 19:57
I think y'all are seeing and hearing what you want to, not what is reality. They both suck.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 19:58
Good.

I still won't vote for Romney but I always relish Obama's publich trashing.

I'd think someone as smart as you would understand game theory - from economics through Sun Tzu. A math savant like you should hold dear guys like Nash, Morgenstern and especially von Neumann. Odd. Really odd.


Competitive Game Theory:

Nash:
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/economics/laureates/1994/nash-lecture.pdf

Morgenstern:
http://www.gametheory.net/Dictionary/People/OskarMorgenstern.html

von Neumann:
http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~eroberts/courses/soco/projects/1998-99/game-theory/neumann.html

----

Sun Tzu:
http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 19:58
I dont see it.

I think it is like a damned pep rally, you are biased to the guy you want to win.

It sounds like two people saying much of the same thing with a mild disagreement.

Romney must attack the last 4 years, ATTACK. Instead he is trying to educate people and defend his positions. No one wants to be educated, they want a show. F'ing gut him man....eviscerate what is one of the worst records ever.

They both suck, it all sucks. I weep for what was once the Republic.

Of course, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. He will manage the decay better.

You aren't listening then, Romney is stomping him on specifics, while Obama is trying to shift blame.

Obama has been on defense for word one.

Fox184
10-03-2012, 19:58
I will admit, Romney does look more "in control" and Obama is looking a tad frustrated (as predicted)

But the message is lost with all the details.

I agree, Obama only needs to muddy it up to make the average voter not learn a thing.

Rotn1
10-03-2012, 19:59
Damn Rabbi,
I want to be pumped up about this backside kicking but you keep bringing me back to reality.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:01
I think y'all are seeing and hearing what you want to, not what is reality. They both suck.

Where is Gary Johnson?
Wasn't he supposed to stand between Mittens and Obamao and teach them a lesson - if he's so awesome?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

GoBigOrange
10-03-2012, 20:02
I'm annoyed with Romney constantly interrupting the host. I'm not seeing a clear cut "winner" yet.


They both suck.

Dragoon189
10-03-2012, 20:03
"Obama is killing Romney." The stubborn dems I know will still be saying this as the debate goes on. Obama still interrupts too, not just Romney. 5 more seconds please

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:03
Thank you for posting some common sense into this fanboy thread. I doubt that it will cure the blindness of the GT "conservatives", though.

It's not just fanboyism. I always fell like "my" guy has lost the debate. Since Reagan anyway. Romney is doing well period.

arclight610
10-03-2012, 20:03
I like Romney, but I have to vote for Obama or my free cash will end.

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:03
I'm annoyed with Romney constantly interrupting the host. I'm not seeing a clear cut "winner" yet.


They both suck.

I love it. He isn't letting Lehrer make this a one sided story.

Bilbo Bagins
10-03-2012, 20:03
I knew Romney was going to do well. Obama is not ready for prime time and thought debate prep was a DRAG :rofl:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2012/10/02/obama-debate-prep-is-a-drag/1608033/

Let's face it, Romney knows his stuff, he is a smart business man and it shows against the ex community activist.

I smell Reagan/ Carter all over again. Romney needs to do is say, "Here we go again" to seal the deal.

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:05
It's not just fanboyism. I always fell like "my" guy has lost the debate. Since Reagan anyway. Romney is doing well period.

Hush up now, you are supposed to be ashamed when you are winning.

tsmo1066
10-03-2012, 20:05
Regardless of specifics, there is no denying that Romney looks far more "Presidential" - and that means a LOT when it comes to swaying votes.

Obama's body language throughout has been evasive, frustrated and he won't even maintain eye contact with Romney on most responses.

Romney, on the other hand, is coming off as relaxed, confident and "in control".

Shades of the first Reagan/Carter debate?

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:06
Hush up now, you are supposed to be ashamed when you are winning.

Good point. I'll shut up now.

Bilbo Bagins
10-03-2012, 20:07
I like Romney, but I have to vote for Obama or my free cash will end.

Don't forget your phone. :rofl:

http://www.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/1348893955_4415_grabnetworks_v7f0e1cdfd3736ea108a52c28c315a75c12b00f64_omnobamaphone_preview.jpg

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:08
Regardless of specifics, there is no denying that Romney looks far more "Presidential" - and that means a LOT when it comes to swaying votes.

Obama's body language throughout has been evasive, frustrated and he won't even maintain eye contact with Romney on most responses.

Romney, on the other hand, is coming off as relaxed, confident and "in control".

Shades of the first Reagan/Carter debate?

Really good call on the body language thing. Obama's body language seems like a teenager's. I swear he's looking at his feet every now and then.

ETA - and WTH with the eye/head-darting thing. Obama needs to drink a beer or two before the next debate.

Glock13
10-03-2012, 20:08
You aren't listening then, Romney is stomping him on specifics, while Obama is trying to shift blame.

Obama has been on defense for word one.

This.

frank4570
10-03-2012, 20:11
I'm pleased and surprised to hear Romney is doing well. Please keep adding updates.

bunk22
10-03-2012, 20:11
I think y'all are seeing and hearing what you want to, not what is reality. They both suck.

Then one sucks less than the other :supergrin:

Restless28
10-03-2012, 20:12
Where is Gary Johnson?
Wasn't he supposed to stand between Mittens and Obamao and teach them a lesson - if he's so awesome?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

If it isn't the village idiot. Been missing your idiocy.

Dazzle us with you brilliance.

pipedreams
10-03-2012, 20:14
You aren't listening then, Romney is stomping him on specifics, while Obama is trying to shift blame.

Obama has been on defense for word one.


This...............................

:rofl:

larry_minn
10-03-2012, 20:16
I just got in 10 minutes ago. Question. Did anyone count the NUMBER of times he said "BUT"??? On health care he must have said "but" 30 times in ONE reply. (and told moderator that he had more time after being told "times up")

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:17
Wow! Romney talking about the Constitution and natural rights. Role of government is to protect that...

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:18
And Lehrer didn't like that.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:19
Wow! Romney talking about the Constitution and natural rights. Role of government is to protect that...

Yes, he is, that is wonderful...but in the same breath as he talks about how we are all responsible for each other and talks about people we have to pay to take care of, blah blah...

I dont disagree with him on either count. I just dont agree it is the governments role to make me responsible for other people.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:20
And Lehrer didn't like that.

He did not.

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:21
No argument from me on that.

That comment was to Rabbi.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:23
Yes, he is, that is wonderful...but in the same breath as he talks about how we are all responsible for each other and talks about people we have to pay to take care of, blah blah...

I dont disagree with him on either count. I just dont agree it is the governments role to make me responsible for other people.

Look you are multiple sigmas from the mean. You darned well know that Romney must sell something to the center or maybe even to a few % from the center-left. It's OK to sell.

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:23
Oh Romney, just stomp him on Green energy. Quit being nice about it...

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:24
Ok, Mitt is biting a little and again, as predicted, Obama is not taking it well. It looks like he is pain.

Obama has never really played at this level. That man has an ego. It can be exploited.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:24
If it isn't the village idiot. Been missing your idiocy.

Dazzle us with you brilliance.

Name calling again?
Pathetic.

:whistling:

OctoberRust
10-03-2012, 20:24
Obama is getting the crap slapped out of him. No surprise.


Ready for the spoiler though? Obama will still win in 2012.

Unfortunately, EVERYONE is allowed to vote.

Remember, most the population votes for the "kooler looking" guy. I've heard this straight from the horse's mouth at work before.

I remember a coworker telling me, he voted for Bush cause he was "funny". Then voted for Obama because he was "kool". :faint: All while he's an ex-student that's in debt over his head from student loans, all while not even graduating.

jame
10-03-2012, 20:25
Democratic Underground is in full meltdown mode. They just shut off the site from non registered members. Too bad. That was fun to watch.

Maybe it will open up later.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:27
Look you are multiple sigmas from the mean. You darned well know that Romney must sell something to the center or maybe even to a few % from the center-left. It's OK to sell.

Oh, no doubt. I even threw out, in this thread, my line of "the psycology of sales is smarter than you" (in this case that is me)

I am all for playing to win. In spite of that, I am still grading the performance based on the content.

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:27
Democratic Underground is in full meltdown mode. They just shut off the site from non registered members. Too bad. That was fun to watch.

Maybe it will open up later.

Better man than me. That site makes GNG look like a Mensa forum.

Restless28
10-03-2012, 20:27
Name calling again?
Pathetic.

:whistling:

You exemplify pathetic.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:27
Romney: "...half of them (green energy businesses) went bankrupt. And many of them were your political donors"

Ouch!

:number1:

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:29
You exemplify pathetic.

Gary Johnson: .05%

:rofl:

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:30
I'll say this without shame...

Romney is NOT McCain. Think about it people.

Osborne
10-03-2012, 20:30
Anyone else think they are both running in circles?

meathead19
10-03-2012, 20:30
Romney looks Presidental.

Actually, he just wiped the floor w/ the HNIC.

Restless28
10-03-2012, 20:30
"You can't have a free market without regulation"

Mitt Romney 10/3/2012

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:32
Anyone else think they are both running in circles?

Nope, that is not a reasonable conclusion.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:32
Anyone else think they are both running in circles?

Yes, of course they are.

Restless28
10-03-2012, 20:33
Gary Johnson: .05%

:rofl:

.05% actually vote for someone who stands for their beliefs.

Fwdftw
10-03-2012, 20:33
Romney just summed it up. He's got my vote.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 20:33
Wow, the news blackout concerning the last four years of goings on from this administration makes romney look like a genius on par with the great communicator, ronald reagan.

The moderator seems to be barry soetoro sympathetic. Sure enough, romney is an obama-lite.


(On the scary note: barry keeps mentioning he wants to help the Middle Class. The things he kept promising to do four years ago are the exact same things he did just the opposite of what he said he'd do once he made it into office. The opposite of helping the Middle Class is hurting them. I hope this is a reagan-karter kind of year next month.)

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:34
It's over. Mittens win hands down.
I doubt even the CNN / MSNBC journolists will have the nerve to claim Obama cam up on top.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:35
"You can't have a free market without regulation"

Mitt Romney 10/3/2012

On that count, he is right.

Regulation IS one of the essential roles of government. It doesnt even matter if the regulation is somewhat against business...AS LONG AS IT IS STABLE and people can count on it remaining fairly stable.

You give people a set of rules that wont change much and the faith that is true, the economy will boom. Only the government can do that and enforce it.

The government is not all bad, if it is doing reasonable things. being the rule maker and ref of the market is a government function....JUST STOP CHANGING IT.

tsmo1066
10-03-2012, 20:36
The media hasn't done Obama any favors by coddling him over the past 4 years. He clearly can't handle being directly challenged on his decisions and having someone demand clarity from him when he speaks in generalizations. I'm not surprised he repeatedly stumbled and nearly lost his composure at several instances.

What surprises me is how badly he has done so and how consistently.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:36
Oh, no doubt. I even threw out, in this thread, my line of "the psycology of sales is smarter than you" (in this case that is me)

I am all for playing to win. In spite of that, I am still grading the performance based on the content.

That's fair. I like that Romney is playing on multiple levels and to different groups quite smoothly.

No doubt MSNBC, CNN, Reuter et al will declare Obama the unanimous winner by back points if not by pin.

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:36
"You can't have a free market without regulation"

Mitt Romney 10/3/2012

And he is correct.

Slug71
10-03-2012, 20:37
"You can't have a free market without regulation"

Mitt Romney 10/3/2012

Bout the best thing he said.

What a joke this was.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:37
I would honestly score it for Romney. He really did "win" in the sense he debated better.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:37
.05% actually vote for someone who stands for their beliefs.

0.5% are suicidal fools who are giving their votes to a communist because believe that proves they are holier than thou.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:38
"You can't have a free market without regulation"

Mitt Romney 10/3/2012

Go back 'til Christ and point out even a thin slice of time in which free-markets worked without some regulation.

I'll give you a pass. You can't.

slick64
10-03-2012, 20:38
Good.

I still won't vote for Romney but I always relish Obama's publich trashing.

I agree with you quite a bit, but not voting for Romney is voting for Obama. No matter how you slice it.

arclight610
10-03-2012, 20:38
Is there going to be a debate on social issues?

Big Bird
10-03-2012, 20:39
Forget the debate. A picture is worth 1,000 words...

Any questions?

http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/229258_4126577561693_515847075_n.jpg

tsmo1066
10-03-2012, 20:39
On that count, he is right.

Regulation IS one of the essential roles of government. It doesnt even matter if the regulation is somewhat against business...AS LONG AS IT IS STABLE and people can count on it remaining fairly stable.

You give people a set of rules that wont change much and the faith that is true, the economy will boom. Only the government can do that and enforce it.

The government is not all bad, if it is doing reasonable things. being the rule maker and ref of the market is a government function....JUST STOP CHANGING IT.

Spot on. I would also add that absent coherent regulation, free markets often spin into monopoly, which can also kill efficiency and throttle growth.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:40
I agree with you quite a bit, but not voting for Romney is voting for Obama. No matter how you slice it.

He's not dumb - he craves attention.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:40
Obama continuously looked at his shoes. He had the appearance of a kid caught stealing.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:41
MSNBC is pretty upset. Mathews is talking about how Obama sucked....really.

That is impressive....wow, he is melting down.

OK, Romney did well. Whatever he was doing, worked.

aplcr0331
10-03-2012, 20:41
How's Rachael Maddow and Ed Schultz taking it? That will be a good gauge. Are they subdued? Pissed? Jubilant? Calling it a *ahem* tie?

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:41
Mathews..MATHEWS just said "Romney was winning"

Osborne
10-03-2012, 20:42
MSNBC is pretty upset. Mathews is talking about how Obama sucked....really.

That is impressive....wow, he is melting down.

OK, Romney did well. Whatever he was doing, worked.


Especially if MSNBC said it haha. Wasn't expecting that one.

Dalton Wayne
10-03-2012, 20:42
Romney looks Presidental.

Actually, he just wiped the floor w/ the HNIC.
I see what you did there :rofl::whistling:

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:42
How's Rachael Maddow and Ed Schultz taking it? That will be a good gauge. Are they subdued? Pissed? Jubilant? Calling it a *ahem* tie?

No, they are both flat out saying Romney won. Actually saying that.

They are very mad...VERY MAD.

Restless28
10-03-2012, 20:43
0.5% are suicidal fools who are giving their votes to a communist because believe that proves they are holier than thou.

Communist?

Facts please.

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:43
Finally someone with the guts to call Obama on the energy issue and state publicly that all increase in drilling and production has been done on PRIVATE land and Obama can not take credit for that.

Grabbrass
10-03-2012, 20:43
What a trouncing.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8zf1j4X3W1qece5p.gif

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:43
The media hasn't done Obama any favors by coddling him over the past 4 years. He clearly can't handle being directly challenged on his decisions and having someone demand clarity from him when he speaks in generalizations. I'm not surprised he repeatedly stumbled and nearly lost his composure at several instances.

What surprises me is how badly he has done so and how consistently.

That's another good call. Obama looked really pizzed more than once. Romney looked thoughtful, maybe concerned, a few times but never mad.

Clear win. Only the drunkest of leftists will call it otherwise.

Flying-Dutchman
10-03-2012, 20:44
I feel a lot better now.

It is up to the American people but Romney was very impressive.

Romney assumed the close.

I wonder if Obama’s and Romney’s secret internal polls are telling them more than we know.

There was a Reagan vibe to Romney too when he gestured to the Constitution at the back of the stage.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:45
Obama continuously looked at his shoes. He had the appearance of a kid caught stealing.

He was talking notes (honestly, he was)...but that was not the right thing to do. It made it LOOK like he was beaten, looking at his shoes, mad....

Optics matter.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 20:45
... all increase in drilling and production has been done on PRIVATE land and Obama can not take credit for that.
I guess mitt told him, "you didn't build that."

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:46
Communist?

Facts please.

Obama is a communist. No if's and no but's.
Anyone voting for the .5% candidate is in fact voting for Obama.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 20:46
It will come down to who (or what) tallies the votes.

SGT278ACR
10-03-2012, 20:47
Obama continuously looked at his shoes. He had the appearance of a kid caught stealing.

I noticed this as well.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 20:48
... Anyone voting for the .5% candidate is in fact voting for Obama.
That's a moronic thing to say.

M&P Shooter
10-03-2012, 20:49
Race, religion and everything else put aside I am looking at the hard facts between the 2 which is the following.

Obama has been right about one thing, we need change and that change is to fire the man who has collected a pay check for the last 4 years for doing nothing but hurting this country. This country deserves a fighting chance and Obama proved he can't deliver that, we need to give Romney a chance now.

tsmo1066
10-03-2012, 20:49
He was talking notes (honestly, he was)...but that was not the right thing to do. It made it LOOK like he was beaten, looking at his shoes, mad....

Optics matter.

The fact that Romney didn't need to constantly refer to his notes to keep his statements in line was a telling visual as well. Romney looked like the professor who knows the material cold, while Obama came off as a grad student trying to work his way through his first teaching class.

This one was a massacre.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:50
It will come down to who (or what) tallies the votes.

Go away, just go away. You are wrong, your ideas are wrong, and you have ruined your life with this tin foil mantra that you are stuck on.

GlockPistola
10-03-2012, 20:50
I dont see it.

I think it is like a damned pep rally, you are biased to the guy you want to win.

It sounds like two people saying much of the same thing with a mild disagreement.

Romney must attack the last 4 years, ATTACK. Instead he is trying to educate people and defend his positions. No one wants to be educated, they want a show. F'ing gut him man....eviscerate what is one of the worst records ever.

They both suck, it all sucks. I weep for what was once the Republic.

Of course, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. He will manage the decay better.

Amen Rabbi!

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:50
He was talking notes (honestly, he was)...but that was not the right thing to do. It made it LOOK like he was beaten, looking at his shoes, mad....

Optics matter.

Appearances matter too.
Liberals are fuming over Obama's pathetic performance.
Now on MSNBC Reverend. (not so) Sharpton is calling for Mittens to be prosecuted for perjury.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 20:51
Fox had the split screen thing going... barry looked off as far as his general demeanor. In fact, his face tonight continually looked uncannily similar to the expression he displayed when he spoke to "joe the plumber" for the very first.

Altaris
10-03-2012, 20:52
I dont see it.

I think it is like a damned pep rally, you are biased to the guy you want to win.

It sounds like two people saying much of the same thing with a mild disagreement.

Romney must attack the last 4 years, ATTACK. Instead he is trying to educate people and defend his positions. No one wants to be educated, they want a show. F'ing gut him man....eviscerate what is one of the worst records ever.

They both suck, it all sucks. I weep for what was once the Republic.

Of course, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. He will manage the decay better.


I agree. Both seemed more center than normal, without having any huge disagreements/arguments.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:52
That's a moronic thing to say.

Reality and you are two parallel lines.

Altaris
10-03-2012, 20:53
Mathews..MATHEWS just said "Romney was winning"

wait...what?!?! :faint::rofl:

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:54
I agree. Both seemed more center than normal, without having any huge disagreements/arguments.

In spite of the high fiving *we* have going on now because of Romney's performance, yes, that is true, it was a shockingly centrist debate on both parties. The both came to the middle.

It makes sense as they are both looking for the undecided middle. They were not pandering to the base. Although, I think it is important that they do, because they still need to get the base to the polls.

meathead19
10-03-2012, 20:54
That's fair. I like that Romney is playing on multiple levels and to different groups quite smoothly.

No doubt MSNBC, CNN, Reuter et al will declare Obama the unanimous winner by back points if not by pin.

Actually, they don't approve of dear leaders performance.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:54
Go away, just go away. You are wrong, your ideas are wrong, and you have ruined your life with this tin foil mantra that you are stuck on.

Win....

OctoberRust
10-03-2012, 20:55
It's over. Mittens win hands down.
I doubt even the CNN / MSNBC journolists will have the nerve to claim Obama cam up on top.


I wish I knew you in person. I'd love to bet you money on that.

Everyone I know in person loves to talk the big talk, but when they say Romney is going to win, I tell them "Let's put 200$ on it..." then all of a sudden they aren't so confident and start to him haw.

I figure, if a clown for a president is going to win, I might as well make some money off it. :dunno:

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 20:55
Go away, just go away. You are wrong, your ideas are wrong, and you have ruined your life with this tin foil mantra that you are stuck on.
Meh... send me a pm and stop trying to draw attention to yourself. Wow rabbi, there is someone on an internet thread that an insecure narcissist like you don't care for. Oh yeah... that's worth hijacking a thread over. :upeyes:

Not. Take it to pm or drop it.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 20:56
Actually, they don't approve of dear leaders performance.

Well, right now, they are selling that Obama was gentlemanly and reserved preserving his personal likability.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:56
wait...what?!?! :faint::rofl:

He did. He was not happy about it. He was in the verge of tears (really) and very angry. Almost foaming at the mouth angry.

MSNBC is an unhappy place right now. If nothing else, that makes me real happy.

Detectorist
10-03-2012, 20:57
50%-60% of the voters vote on appearances, not issues. It was important that Romney not appear to be beating up on Obama.

Folks here underestimate Romney.

Altaris
10-03-2012, 20:57
He did. He was not happy about it. He was in the verge of tears (really) and very angry. Almost foaming at the mouth angry.

MSNBC is an unhappy place right now. If nothing else, that makes me real happy.

So no funny feeling in his leg this time? :rofl:

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 20:58
Lots of heads exploding at MS-LSD...err...MSNBC

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 20:58
Meh... send me a pm and stop trying to draw attention to yourself. Wow rabbi, there is someone on an internet thread that an insecure narcissist like you don't care for. Oh yeah... that's worth hijacking a thread over. :upeyes:

Not. Take it to pm or drop it.

You have the gall to call Rabbi a narcissist?

:rofl:

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 20:58
Meh... send me a pm and stop trying to draw attention to yourself. Wow rabbi, there is someone on an internet thread that an insecure narcissist like you don't care for. Oh yeah... that's worth hijacking a thread over. :upeyes:

Not. Take it to pm or drop it.

You simply dont live in reality. You drop the "it only matters who is counting the ballots..." in the thread and accuse me of being the hijacker?

You are a buffoon of the highest order but I bet the view from your planet is awesome.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 21:00
You have the gall to call Rabbi a narcissist?

:rofl:

I am that and more....but I am not often wrong.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 21:00
Reality and you are two parallel lines.
No, voting and choice of vote are paramount to the freedoms in this country. One could argue the bankers of old created the two party political system, this is a matter of debated opinion, but most assuredly it is a hands down fact that wall street and bankers take huge advantage of the two party system.

Simply put, if sheeple didn't allow there only being two, "mainstream" political parties in this country, and did so with their votes, we might have had a chance to fix what ails this country.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 21:02
50%-60% of the voters vote on appearances, not issues. It was important that Romney not appear to be beating up on Obama.

Folks here under estimate Romney.

+100.
Romney was presidential and in control of the debate without looking mean and aggressive.
Obama looked like a kid caught stealing who is looking at his shoes. Even when he was talking all I was really hearing him say was "it's not my fault, I didn't do it"

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 21:03
I am that and more....but I am not often wrong.

We all have some narcissist tendencies, but for PW to make that call is just hilarious. PW is narcissism incarnate.

LASTRESORT20
10-03-2012, 21:05
Lots of heads exploding at MS-LSD...err...MSNBC

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


The Chosen one got spanked BAD! :supergrin:

Even Lefty Bill Maher On Twitter didnt have much good to say about obammy....."weak"

Looks like Obammies talking points and blame back fired...Tough with out a teleprompter!

Lemming rats should be jumping ship soon.....or start the "Theyre both the same" Horse Cr@aap:supergrin:

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 21:05
You are a buffoon of the highest order but I bet the view from your planet is awesome.

Man, I must say love you for this. Can I quote you in my sig line?

Slug71
10-03-2012, 21:06
I agree with you quite a bit, but not voting for Romney is voting for Obama. No matter how you slice it.

No its not. Its voting for the person he voted for. For the person he believes in.

Ruggles
10-03-2012, 21:08
If this was the NFL

Team Romney = 31

Team Obama = 14

Win for Romney but not a whacking like I would have liked to see. Still I think Romney did win some more active support from his voters and even brought some fence sitters over from Obama :)

The foreign affairs debate should be awesome if it goes like this.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 21:09
You simply dont live in reality. You drop the "it only matters who is counting the ballots..." in the thread and accuse me of being the hijacker?

You are a buffoon of the highest order but I bet the view from your planet is awesome.
You're wrong. I was following a tangent brought up by another poster. And we started to have a dialogue, but you'd rather continue with this foolishness. You obviously believe your feelings are more important than anything else.

Well, nice playing with you "sir," but now, if you really want to discuss your bitterness with me, please, just go pm me with your diatribes and let the adults speak here.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 21:09
We all have some narcissist tendencies, but for PW to make that call is just hilarious. PW is narcissism incarnate.

Yes, he is. I also dont think he understand (much of anything) what "insecure" means.

I have a lot of undesirable traits. Some I need because they work for me, some I work on because they make my life harder but to be an arrogant, condescending prick of the magnitude that I am, "insecure" doesnt go with that.

Woofie
10-03-2012, 21:09
I agree with you but let us not forget there are millions who until today never heard Mittens speak. If he just attacks and attacks without explaining why he is better than his opponent Romney will appear to be overly aggressive and mean.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think that millions of voters who have been too disengaged to hear Romney speak before now suddenly tuned in to watch the debate? How many of these people who did so possess either the attention span or intellectual capacity to actually understand what was going on?

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 21:10
If this was the NFL

Team Romney = 31

Team Obama = 14

Win for Romney but not a whacking like I would have liked to see. Still I think Romney did win some more active support from his voters and even brought some fence sitters over from Obama :)

The foreign affairs debate should be awesome if it goes like this.
Good score.

Who got the most time overall? Or have they not done that count yet?

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 21:10
No its not. Its voting for the person he voted for. For the person he believes in.

What matters is the end result. The bottom line.
And the bottom line is a vote for .5% candidate is a vote for the communist.
Please wake t.f.u. and smell the coffee.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 21:11
No its not. Its voting for the person he voted for. For the person he believes in.

Little kids get slapped and sent to detention for such absurd logic. Voting for a guy who cannot win is much the same as voting for the guy you despise. It is that simple - anything else is window dressing and rationalization.

gwalchmai
10-03-2012, 21:12
I dont see it.

I think it is like a damned pep rally, you are biased to the guy you want to win.

It sounds like two people saying much of the same thing with a mild disagreement.

Romney must attack the last 4 years, ATTACK. Instead he is trying to educate people and defend his positions. No one wants to be educated, they want a show. F'ing gut him man....eviscerate what is one of the worst records ever.

They both suck, it all sucks. I weep for what was once the Republic.

Of course, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. He will manage the decay better.I got the same impression. I guess Romney's trying to be nice during this one and wait for the next debate to be mean.

Plus the VP debate will be a soapbox for Ryan after the first five minutes in which he demolishes Plugs. That one should be entertaining.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 21:13
You're wrong. I was following a tangent brought up by another poster. And we started to have a dialogue, but you'd rather continue with this foolishness. You obviously believe your feelings are more important than anything else.

Well, nice playing with you "sir," but now, if you really want to discuss your bitterness with me, please, just go pm me with your diatribes and let the adults speak here.

Listen, you are never right about anything. People like me, win some, and lose some, that is how the world works. All you have is a hope, that someday, you will be proven right.

Man, that really sucks for you. The least you could do, with your famous verbosity, is come up with an original take that is even somewhat appropo. It is hard to include yourself in the "adult" box when you are having a meltdown.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 21:13
Just out of curiosity, why do you think that millions of voters who have been too disengaged to hear Romney speak before now suddenly tuned in to watch the debate?

Because that is the reality - no matter how sad it is.
Most undecided voters are only tuning in the election race starting with the first televised debate.

aplcr0331
10-03-2012, 21:13
"Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare" - Dennis Miller

Slug71
10-03-2012, 21:15
Little kids get slapped and sent to detention for such absurd logic. Voting for a guy who cannot win is much the same as voting for the guy you despise. It is that simple - anything else is window dressing and rationalization.

YOUR logic sir, is absurd. I'm voting for RP. Therefore my vote goes to RP and NO ONE else. Its fact.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 21:16
Man, I must say love you for this. Can I quote you in my sig line?

Of course.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 21:16
Marco Rubio now on FNC. I think I have a bromance.

50 Cent
10-03-2012, 21:18
If this was the NFL

Team Romney = 31

Team Obama = 14

Win for Romney but not a whacking like I would have liked to see. Still I think Romney did win some more active support from his voters and even brought some fence sitters over from Obama :)

The foreign affairs debate should be awesome if it goes like this.

Given the state of foreign affairs O better bring his own cross 'cause Romney is going to nail him to it.

I almost cringe at how he could get smacked over that...

Almost :rofl:

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 21:18
YOUR logic sir, is absurd. I'm voting for RP. Therefore my vote goes to RP and NO ONE else. Its fact.

Obama thanks you.

Detectorist
10-03-2012, 21:18
"Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare" - Dennis Miller

:rofl:

Slug71
10-03-2012, 21:18
Obama thanks you.

For what?

frank4570
10-03-2012, 21:18
I thought you guys would like this. It's a quote from D.U.

"Like the rocky movies where the champ gets complacent and gets his ass beat, the president needs to get back the eye of the tiger before he gets back into the ring with Romney."

Consider the significance of where this came from.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 21:18
YOUR logic sir, is absurd. I'm voting for RP. Therefore my vote goes to RP and NO ONE else. Its fact.

Yes, that is were you vote goes but the implications are larger than that.

It is a vote that Romney doesnt get. No matter what mental gymnastics you use, your choice helps Obama.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 21:19
For what?

Never mind. :whistling:

Osborne
10-03-2012, 21:22
Yes, that is were you vote goes but the implications are larger than that.

It is a vote that Romney doesnt get. No matter what mental gymnastics you use, your choice helps Obama.


Yup, by not voting for Romney your just helping Obama get elected no matter who else you vote for.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 21:22
"Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare" - Dennis Miller
:rofl:

Flying-Dutchman
10-03-2012, 21:22
"Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare" - Dennis Miller
:rofl:
Romney “educated” Obama without being mean.

Romney was Presidential. He exceeded all expectations.

You can tell Romney is ready to hit the ground running on day 1.

This will be a historic debate just as the Kennedy-Nixon debate is talked about to this day.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 21:22
YOUR logic sir, is absurd. I'm voting for RP. Therefore my vote goes to RP and NO ONE else. Its fact.

That's OK and your right. But don't kid yourself, that's taking a vote from a guy who could/might win and giving it to a guy who simply has ZERO chance. With all due respect losers do things like that.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 21:23
I think this is funny.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/527672_10151070228921336_1444040457_n.jpg

It is a smart move for Romney to do everything he can to run with the narrative that Obama is a very rich and powerful man as well.

tsmo1066
10-03-2012, 21:24
CNN's own debate poll just aired: Overwhelming win for Romney

67% to 25% among registered voters.

Wow!

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 21:25
CNN's own debate poll just aired: Overwhelming win for Romney

67% to 25% among registered voters.

Wow!

No kidding?

aplcr0331
10-03-2012, 21:26
Another good quote from Romney to Obama:

“Look, I’ve got five boys and I’m used to somebody saying something that’s not true and hoping that by repeating it I’m going to believe it,”

itstime
10-03-2012, 21:27
I dont see it.

I think it is like a damned pep rally, you are biased to the guy you want to win.

It sounds like two people saying much of the same thing with a mild disagreement.

Romney must attack the last 4 years, ATTACK. Instead he is trying to educate people and defend his positions. No one wants to be educated, they want a show. F'ing gut him man....eviscerate what is one of the worst records ever.

They both suck, it all sucks. I weep for what was once the Republic.

Of course, I will hold my nose and vote for Romney. He will manage the decay better.


Rabbi. I love your posts. Well said. Thanks for saving me some typing again. :)

Slug71
10-03-2012, 21:27
Yes, that is were you vote goes but the implications are larger than that.

It is a vote that Romney doesnt get. No matter what mental gymnastics you use, your choice helps Obama.

I get that Rabbi. But I don't agree with much of Romney's views either. I don't agree with him on Medicare. He lied about MA being number one in education. He threatens the 2A just as much as Obama. Defense NEEDS cuts.

And at the end of the day, its the house and senate that has the final say on what goes on. These two are just puppets. Therefore I do not and will not support the lesser of two evils.

He did well in the debates though.

Ruggles
10-03-2012, 21:28
"Obama better hope a Kicked Ass is covered under Obamacare" - Dennis Miller

Dennis Miller is one smart comedian, the guy would be a blast to have dinner with. Of course after a couple of margaritas his wit, cultural and social references would fly over my head.

That line is a winner, I think Mitt should use it next debate :cool:

tsmo1066
10-03-2012, 21:29
One CNN commentator made a great observation that in swing states where Obama has been relentlessly running very negative campaign ads, this debate could have a tremendous impact because many voters in those states who have been listening to such ads expected to see an evil, greedy devil take the stage in the form of Romney.

Instead they saw a concerned, well informed, very relaxed and reachable guy who exudes confidence and competence.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 21:30
I get that Rabbi. But I don't agree with much of Romney's views either. I don't agree with him on Medicare. He lied about MA being number one in education. He threatens the 2A just as much as Obama. Defense NEEDS cuts.

And at the end of the day, its the house and senate that has the final say on what goes on. These two are just puppets. Therefore I do not and will not support the lesser of two evils.

He did well in the debates though.

I dont fault you for seeing it that way. In some ways, I agree. I really dont agree with the "puppet" thing though. Obama should prove the point that POTUS can do a lot...(of damage)

I would frame the question like this, You will HAVE to live with one of those "lesser of two evils" that is a fact. Maybe that makes it a little more important to you.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 21:31
One CNN commentator made a great observation that in swing states where Obama has been relentlessly running very negative campaign ads, this debate could have a tremendous impact because many voters in those states who have been listening to such ads expected to see an evil, greedy devil take the stage in the form of Romney.

Instead they saw a concerned, well informed, very relaxed and reachable guy who exudes confidence and competence.
Reminded me of the last klinton-reagan debate.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 21:31
I get that Rabbi. But I don't agree with much of Romney's views either. I don't agree with him on Medicare. He lied about MA being number one in education. He threatens the 2A just as much as Obama. Defense NEEDS cuts.

And at the end of the day, its the house and senate that has the final say on what goes on. These two are just puppets. Therefore I do not and will not support the lesser of two evils.

He did well in the debates though.

In a number of metrics MA is number one in education. Bang for the buck - likely not, PSAT scores, hard to argue with.

50 Cent
10-03-2012, 21:32
Just proves Clint Eastwood was ahead of his time...debating an empty chair...:rofl:

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 21:33
Reminded me of the last klinton-reagan debate.

Clinton-Reagan you say?

Awesome, just awesome. You are like Biden...or herpes. The gift that keeps giving.

meathead19
10-03-2012, 21:33
I see what you did there :rofl::whistling:

:supergrin:.....rut rooo.

aplcr0331
10-03-2012, 21:34
He lied about MA being number one in education.

Maybe he got his information from HuffPo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/state-education-rankings-_n_894528.html

Granted, these are for Math and Science scores which hardly matter at all in the grand scheme of things.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 21:34
That's OK and your right. But don't kid yourself, that's taking a vote from a guy who could/might win and giving it to a guy who simply has ZERO chance. With all due respect losers do things like that.
So if one cannot in good conscience vote for the lesser of two evils as presented, one should choose not to vote at all, so as to not vote, by proxy, for "the really bad guy."

yeah, that makes sense... :upeyes:

427
10-03-2012, 21:34
Reminded me of the last klinton-reagan debate.

When did Clinton and Reagan debate?

Slug71
10-03-2012, 21:34
I dont fault you for seeing it that way. In some ways, I agree. I really dont agree with the "puppet" thing though. Obama should prove the point that POTUS can do a lot...(of damage)

I would frame the question like this, You will HAVE to live with one of those "lesser of two evils" that is a fact. Maybe that makes it a little more important to you.

Well depending on the next two debates my mind might change.
The only 'thanks' I want is from my daughter though. My decision ultimately affects her life.

tsmo1066
10-03-2012, 21:36
Reminded me of the last klinton-reagan debate.

Reagan and Clinton?

I believe you mean Reagan and Carter.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 21:37
Clinton-Reagan you say?

Awesome, just awesome. ...
I was wrong, I meant karter-reagan.

The last that is. The first one reagan lost, but the last one he blew karter away, IMO.
... You are like Biden...or herpes. The gift that keeps giving.
:yawn: (Same thing over and over...)

Detectorist
10-03-2012, 21:38
Mitt will win every debate. Obama does not have a record to stand on.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 21:38
When did Clinton and Reagan debate?
Reagan and Clinton?

I believe you mean Reagan and Carter.

D'oh!

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 21:38
Clinton-Reagan you say?

Awesome, just awesome. You are like Biden...or herpes. The gift that keeps giving.

Oh man my spleen hurts!

frank4570
10-03-2012, 21:38
WOW! One of the guys on CNN said, "Obama showed up to have a conversation with the american people. But to have a conversation requires both sides to participate. Mitt Romney showed up with a chainsaw."

Dang, go romney.

427
10-03-2012, 21:39
Well depending on the next two debates my mind might change.
The only 'thanks' I want is from my daughter though. My decision ultimately affects her life.

You can vote for the guy who has the best chance to beat Obama, vote for a non-viable third party, or cut out the middleman and vote for Obama.

Those are the choices.

Woofie
10-03-2012, 21:40
Because that is the reality - no matter how sad it is.
Most undecided voters are only tuning in the election race starting with the first televised debate.

"Because" isn't much of an answer.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 21:40
Well depending on the next two debates my mind might change.
The only 'thanks' I want is from my daughter though. My decision ultimately affects her life.

It does. Think of it like this. Obama wins and 2/3 more leftist will be appointed to The Supreme Court. Romney wins and maybe it's zero leftists and maybe even a demi-conservative or two.

That matters to you, me and your daughter. Supremes are the gift that gives and gives for decades.

Rabbi
10-03-2012, 21:41
The most surprising thing about this is how the left knows it. That is not how this stuff tends to work.

My knee jerk reation to that is "the left" isnt very much in love with their guy.

tsmo1066
10-03-2012, 21:41
CNN is about to interview a focus group of undecided voters to see how the debate has impacted their choice of candidate. This should be interesting.

meathead19
10-03-2012, 21:41
So if one cannot in good conscience vote for the lesser of two evils as presented, one should choose not to vote at all, so as to not vote, by proxy, for "the really bad guy."

yeah, that makes sense... :upeyes:

Even Ed schitz is saying it was a definite debate Romney win.

But I still like your avatar....she's hawt. :wavey:

frank4570
10-03-2012, 21:44
My knee jerk reation to that is "the left" isnt very much in love with their guy.

I think they are actually a little embarrassed at how he didn't deliver......
.......again.

Peace Warrior
10-03-2012, 21:44
Even Ed schitz is saying it was a definite debate Romney win.

But I still like your avatar....she's hawt. :wavey:

Had to google ed schitz.

Yes, she can also drive too! :cool:

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 21:48
You can vote for the guy who has the best chance to beat Obama, vote for a non-viable third party, or cut out the middleman and vote for Obama.

Those are the choices.

Precisely. Imagine a simple single beam balance scale and one's vote is a one pound weight. Your one pound placed on the right is a vote for Romney, one pound on the left is a vote for Obama. A vote for RP/Gary Johnson/George Jetson/anyone else who cannot win and issued by a conservative is a vote/pound taken from Romney and thrown in the trash can.

427
10-03-2012, 21:53
Precisely. Imagine a simple single beam balance scale and one's vote is a one pound weight. Your one pound placed on the right is a vote for Romney, one pound on the left is a vote for Obama. A vote for RP/Gary Johnson/George Jetson/anyone else who cannot win and issued by a conservative is a vote/pound taken from Romney and thrown in the trash can.

The other choice is to stay home - being an illegerate citizen.

jeager
10-03-2012, 21:57
I can't watch. I hate even looking at Obama Bin Ladin. He makes me want to puke.

I had a dream for an

"Obama bin Biden"

BumperSticker
But they wanted me to pay for two stickers at the HQ

nmk
10-03-2012, 21:57
Precisely. Imagine a simple single beam balance scale and one's vote is a one pound weight. Your one pound placed on the right is a vote for Romney, one pound on the left is a vote for Obama. A vote for RP/Gary Johnson/George Jetson/anyone else who cannot win and issued by a conservative is a vote/pound taken from Romney and thrown in the trash can.

True.

ilgunguygt
10-03-2012, 21:58
I get that Rabbi. But I don't agree with much of Romney's views either. I don't agree with him on Medicare. He lied about MA being number one in education. He threatens the 2A just as much as Obama. Defense NEEDS cuts.

And at the end of the day, its the house and senate that has the final say on what goes on. These two are just puppets. Therefore I do not and will not support the lesser of two evils.

He did well in the debates though.
Are you so obtuse to not realize that the president appoints supreme court justices? All of our pro 2A verdicts were a 5-4 split. The next president is probably going to appoint at least one of the "5" seats maybe more. Look what Barry already put there. Dont be a fool, look at the big picture.:faint:

Diesel McBadass
10-03-2012, 22:01
Cant wait to watch video in the morning, social security checks came out today so swamped at work and missed this.

Slug71
10-03-2012, 22:01
I had a dream for an

"Obama bin Biden"

BumperSticker
But they wanted me to pay for two stickers at the HQ

Saw one the other day that said "Obama bin Lyin". Thought it was pretty funny.

ilgunguygt
10-03-2012, 22:02
Reminded me of the last klinton-reagan debate.


I was wrong, I meant karter-reagan.


Yeah, I bet you did.:wavey:

Clinton-Reagan you say?

Awesome, just awesome. You are like Biden...or herpes. The gift that keeps giving.
:rofl: Thanks for the laugh Rabbi.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 22:03
Reminded me of the last klinton-reagan debate.

Wait...what? Klinton / Reagan debate?
Oh man, you are truly living under a rock on Mars.
Who discovered you, Curiosity rover?

gjk5
10-03-2012, 22:08
Yes, that is were you vote goes but the implications are larger than that.

It is a vote that Romney doesnt get. No matter what mental gymnastics you use, your choice helps Obama.

You can vote for the guy who has the best chance to beat Obama, vote for a non-viable third party, or cut out the middleman and vote for Obama.

Those are the choices.

Precisely. Imagine a simple single beam balance scale and one's vote is a one pound weight. Your one pound placed on the right is a vote for Romney, one pound on the left is a vote for Obama. A vote for RP/Gary Johnson/George Jetson/anyone else who cannot win and issued by a conservative is a vote/pound taken from Romney and thrown in the trash can.

all were worth repeating

unit1069
10-03-2012, 22:08
Obama steadily deteriorated as the debate progressed. His mannerism betrayed his obvious anger and frustration at having anyone challenge him without his ability to cut the person off, as he typically does.

At one point Obama actually was reduced to begging Jim Lehrer to change the subject. Obama's entire demeanor was of a petulant adolescent who was getting a much-needed verbal thrashing and trying his best to smirk his way through the ordeal.

Romney strategically gained the upper hand by refusing to allow Lehrer to stifle his responses, a tactic all the uber-liberal moderators try to impose when their pet candidate's doing poorly. I look for the moderators of the next two debates to double down on their attempts to stifle Romney, given the mainstream media's massive collective psychological investment in Barack Obama.

frank4570
10-03-2012, 22:10
I'm going to vote for the guy who says he will sign a new Assault Weapons Ban if it is brought to him. MY president.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 22:11
Juan Williams on FNC thinks Obama won the debate.
It was funny to see him twisting and turning like a pretzel and claiming that everyone but him was wrong.

unit1069
10-03-2012, 22:13
If only one extra vote in every precinct in America went for GHW Bush in 1992 instead of Ross Perot Bill Clinton wouldn't have been elected president.

There might be times when someone wishes to make a point by throwing his/her vote away but 2012 is certainly not one of them.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 22:13
Obama steadily deteriorated as the debate progressed. His mannerism betrayed his obvious anger and frustration at having anyone challenge him without his ability to cut the person off, as he typically does.

At one point Obama actually was reduced to begging Jim Lehrer to change the subject. Obama's entire demeanor was of a petulant adolescent who was getting a much-needed verbal thrashing and trying his best to smirk his way through the ordeal.

Romney strategically gained the upper hand by refusing to allow Lehrer to stifle his responses, a tactic all the uber-liberal moderators try to impose when their pet candidate's doing poorly. I look for the moderators of the next two debates to double down on their attempts to stifle Romney, given the mainstream media's massive collective psychological investment in Barack Obama.

:number1::number1::number1:

G19Tony
10-03-2012, 22:14
CNN is about to interview a focus group of undecided voters to see how the debate has impacted their choice of candidate. This should be interesting.

That must be the group they had hooked up to the heart monitor that was on CNN the whole time. :dunno:

Harper
10-03-2012, 22:16
Where is Gary Johnson?
Wasn't he supposed to stand between Mittens and Obamao and teach them a lesson - if he's so awesome?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

The presidential debate commission is made up of republicans and democrats.

meathead19
10-03-2012, 22:17
Obama steadily deteriorated as the debate progressed. His mannerism betrayed his obvious anger and frustration at having anyone challenge him without his ability to cut the person off, as he typically does.

At one point Obama actually was reduced to begging Jim Lehrer to change the subject. Obama's entire demeanor was of a petulant adolescent who was getting a much-needed verbal thrashing and trying his best to smirk his way through the ordeal.

Romney strategically gained the upper hand by refusing to allow Lehrer to stifle his responses, a tactic all the uber-liberal moderators try to impose when their pet candidate's doing poorly. I look for the moderators of the next two debates to double down on their attempts to stifle Romney, given the mainstream media's massive collective psychological investment in Barack Obama.

:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:. That is all.

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 22:17
http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/8/2/0/6/4/1/we-are-srewed-either-way-42010400122.jpeg

tsmo1066
10-03-2012, 22:18
That must be the group they had hooked up to the heart monitor that was on CNN the whole time. :dunno:

It was pretty boring, actually. Two thirds of them did say they felt Romney clearly won, however.

427
10-03-2012, 22:18
The presidential debate commission is made up of republicans and democrats.

IIRC, the candidate had/has to poll at least 15%

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 22:18
The presidential debate commission is made up of republicans and democrats.

Who bipartisanly passed that, taking away the debates from an independent organization and making a government agency to run it..


http://gulagbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Open-Secrets-Obama-Romney.jpg

http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Romney-Obama-Campaign-Contributors.jpg

FLIPPER 348
10-03-2012, 22:22
proudly voting Obama

Flipper 348, registered Independent

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 22:23
proudly voting Obama

Flipper 348, registered Independent

Good for you.

Slug71
10-03-2012, 22:25
This was just posted on FB. Pretty interesting.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/your-vote-doesnt-count

G36's Rule
10-03-2012, 22:26
proudly voting Obama

Flipper 348, registered Independent

You're in Oregon... Makes no difference.

ilgunguygt
10-03-2012, 22:26
proudly voting Obama

Flipper 348, registered Independent
Thanks for letting us know! Being on the internet and all we cant see your sign, at least this way none of us will make the mistake of engaging you in anything resembling intelligent conversation.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 22:29
proudly voting Obama

Flipper 348, registered Independent

Hey, this is America after all. I'm all for your right to vote for a communist.

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 22:29
proudly voting Obama

Flipper 348, registered Independent

My god man! Your on a gun forum on the internet! Do you realize what youve done???!!!

http://www.personal.psu.edu/nns5039/Art101/civilDisobedience/stillDisobedience.gif

Harper
10-03-2012, 22:30
Precisely. Imagine a simple single beam balance scale and one's vote is a one pound weight. Your one pound placed on the right is a vote for Romney, one pound on the left is a vote for Obama. A vote for RP/Gary Johnson/George Jetson/anyone else who cannot win and issued by a conservative is a vote/pound taken from Romney and thrown in the trash can.

We'll I'm a libertarian who's voting libertarian so my vote*lb isn't being taken from Romney since it was never on the single beam balance. You could say it rests where it always has, in the trash can.

Zombie Surgeon
10-03-2012, 22:31
The presidential debate commission is made up of republicans and democrats.

So that's why the .5% candidate was excluded...not because he is polling at .5%...:whistling:

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 22:33
We'll I'm a libertarian who's voting libertarian so my vote*lb isn't being taken from Romney since it was never on the single beam balance. You could say it rests where it always has, in the trash can.

Hahahaha...

Yea, these are the most ridiculous comments.

Its like, how dare you think for yourself and not vote for the two people who we were told to vote for.

*ASH*
10-03-2012, 22:35
proudly voting Obama

Flipper 348, registered Independent

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e332/KK_Koala/boma.jpg

Harper
10-03-2012, 22:37
IIRC, the candidate had/has to poll at least 15%

Yeah that's how the commission keeps other parties out of the debate.

Harper
10-03-2012, 22:40
So that's why the .5% candidate was excluded...not because he is polling at .5%...:whistling:

Yeah sure.

frank4570
10-03-2012, 22:41
Hahahaha...

Yea, these are the most ridiculous comments.

Its like, how dare you think for yourself and not vote for the two people who we were told to vote for.

You are given a choice. You can vote for govt to control your money, or for govt to control your morals. Why is that such a hard choice?:dunno:

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 22:42
You are given a choice. You can vote for govt to control your money, or for govt to control your morals. Why is that such a hard choice?:dunno:

Ha.

We should all move to the midwest and secede!

Ian Moone
10-03-2012, 22:48
F'ing A ...Home run for Romney. More battles to come but a strong showing tonioght.

Did anyone else notice at the the conclusion of the debate how Romney returned to the podiun to grab his notes ...and had his son stash them away? He's learned from his 47% video mistake not to leave anything behind for the bottom feeders. Again ...very Presidential to learn from experience.

On a funny side note ...the local news interviewed some students after the debate. One girl expressed her sincere anger towards Romeny for his consistent success at making the Prez look stupid. LOL ...give 'em books, but you can't make them learn.

Detectorist
10-03-2012, 22:48
One has to admire Obama for knowingly debating someone who will thrash him every time. He had to know it, too.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 22:50
We'll I'm a libertarian who's voting libertarian so my vote*lb isn't being taken from Romney since it was never on the single beam balance. You could say it rests where it always has, in the trash can.

Obama and his supporters thank you for your indirect support.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 22:52
Hahahaha...

Yea, these are the most ridiculous comments.

Its like, how dare you think for yourself and not vote for the two people who we were told to vote for.

Sure. Your plan is to vote for a guy who has as much chance to win as Charles Manson.

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 22:54
Sure. Your plan is to vote for a guy who has as much chance to win as Charles Manson.

No, my plan is to exercise my constitutional rights to vote for who I damn well please.

FLIPPER 348
10-03-2012, 22:59
I'd rather have 4 more years of President Obama and have our troops come home as planned from Afghanistan than a potential 8 years of the creepy Mormon who is beating the drums of war with Iran.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 23:00
No, my plan is to exercise my constitutional rights to vote for who I damn well please.

Sure. Obama thanks you for being hard headed.

Again it's simple Competitive Game Theory. You either get it or you don't.

Quite frankly, I have little time for folks so pernicious they'd vote helping the liberals and their agenda.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 23:01
I'd rather have 4 more years of President Obama and have our troops come home as planned from Afghanistan than a potential 8 years of the creepy Mormon who is beating the drums of war with Iran.

Creepy Mormon?

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 23:04
Sure. Obama thanks you for being hard headed.

Again it's simple Competitive Game Theory. You either get it or you don't.

Quite frankly, I have little time for folks so pernicious they'd vote helping the liberals and their agenda.

I remember every democrat *****ing about how Ralph Nader won the election for Bush in 2000.

Then people whine about the opposite.

Obama and Romney don't represent my views, I vote for a candidate who does.

Calico Jack
10-03-2012, 23:04
I'd rather have 4 more years of President Obama and have our troops come home as planned from Afghanistan than a potential 8 years of the creepy Mormon who is beating the drums of war with Iran.

Sounds like one of those tolerant liberals we always hear about.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 23:07
I remember every democrat *****ing about how Ralph Nader won the election for Bush in 2000.

Then people whine about the opposite.

Obama and Romney don't represent my views, I vote for a candidate who does.


Fine. Obama thanks you just the same. It really is that simple.

I'd prefer someone much more conservative than Romney. That's just not in the cards this time.

ETA - it's likely that Nader did cause Bush to win in 2000 BTW.

Detectorist
10-03-2012, 23:07
I'd rather have 4 more years of President Obama and have our troops come home as planned from Afghanistan than a potential 8 years of the creepy Mormon who is beating the drums of war with Iran.

So, what, exactly is your argument?

Calico Jack
10-03-2012, 23:10
So, what, exactly is your argument?

He never has a point to his argument and will probably not come back. That's a troll's MO.

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 23:11
Fine. Obama thanks you just the same. It really is that simple.

I'd prefer someone much more conservative than Romney. That's just not in the cards this time.

ETA - it's likely that Nader did cause Bush to win in 2000 BTW.

Johnson is much more conservative than Romney on limiting the size and scope of the federal government.

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 23:12
So, what, exactly is your argument?

Ummmm, he is voting for Obama? I'm pretty sure that's the argument..

Harper
10-03-2012, 23:12
Obama and his supporters thank you for your indirect support.

I doubt that. Do you speak for all Obama supporters?

427
10-03-2012, 23:13
I'd rather have 4 more years of President Obama and have our troops come home as planned from Afghanistan than a potential 8 years of the creepy Mormon who is beating the drums of war with Iran.

The secret war in Yemen?

Another war in Libya along a dead ambassador and the lies surrounding it?

That's not even mentioning all the classified leaks like the computer virus in Iran. That could be considered an act of war.

All of this from the guy who won the nobel peace prize.

Those are facts so don't play the revisionist history card you seem to like.

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 23:15
The secret war in Yemen?

Another war in Libya along a dead ambassador and the lies surrounding it?

That's not even mentioning all the classified leaks like the computer virus in Iran. That could be considered an act of war.

All of this from the guy who won the nobel peace prize.

Those are facts so don't play the revisionist history card you seem to like.

Another reason why I dislike both candidates.

Both are lying little weasels! Yea for endless war regardless of who is President! That's exactly what we need!

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 23:15
Johnson is much more conservative than Romney on limiting the size and scope of the federal government.

Sure. But Johnson cannot win period. He's also a jerk he really embarrassed himself on FOX a bit ago.

Harper
10-03-2012, 23:16
F
I'd prefer someone much more conservative than Romney. That's just not in the cards this time.



I'd prefer someone much more conservative than Obama, that's why I'm not voting for either liberal.

427
10-03-2012, 23:16
Johnson is much more conservative than Romney on limiting the size and scope of the federal government.

Johnson, if elected, would caucus with which party?

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 23:17
Sure. But Johnson cannot win period. He's also a jerk he really embarrassed himself on FOX a bit ago.

I don't watch much of the news, I find it deeply depressing, what did he do that you disliked?

ChuteTheMall
10-03-2012, 23:17
http://imageshack.us/a/img7/8418/greenchainsawe.gif

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 23:17
I doubt that. Do you speak for all Obama supporters?

In this case because you are helping their guy there is no doubt they thank you. So sure I will speak for all of them.

DaGump
10-03-2012, 23:17
Romney savaged Obama, and I can't wait for Ryan-Biden.

On an unrelated note: If you plan to vote for neither Romney nor Obama, then please vote for me. I have an equal chance to win the Presidency as any other pretend candidate you feel like voting for.

Harper
10-03-2012, 23:19
Johnson is much more conservative than Romney on limiting the size and scope of the federal government.

But Johnson can't win and this is the most important election ever; so if you don't want a gun hating, socialized medicine, big government liberal you better vote for a a gun hating, socialized medicine, big government liberal...with an R beside his name.

RyanBDawg
10-03-2012, 23:19
In this case because you are helping their guy there is no doubt they thank you. So sure I will speak for all of them.

Pretty arrogant.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 23:19
I don't watch much of the news, I find it deeply depressing, what did he do that you disliked?

He was over animated and he simply refused to answer questions. Buried in his fusillade of verbiage are some good ideas without any question. I have some good ideas too and voting for me would be an equal waste.

.264 magnum
10-03-2012, 23:21
Pretty arrogant.

I'm OK with being arrogant. I'm right and you know it.