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Spiffums
10-05-2012, 18:36
I had the idea that with the modern computer systems we could take the IRS database and create a system to allow you to log in with your Social Security Number and vote. Everyone who is legal to vote has a SS#. The IRS knows who's dead and who's alive so it would stop that voter fraud. You have to have a SS# to get welfare so no one can say it is a hardship on the voter.

I am sure there are flaws that I just haven't thought of so let us discuss this and see where it goes.

Tim151515
10-05-2012, 18:43
thats uhhh...racist!...ummm...jim crow! voter suppression! hope and change!

concretefuzzynuts
10-05-2012, 18:47
I've heard too many stories about SS checks still being issued to the dead to believe the IRS knows who's alive or not.

Also identity thieves harvest hundreds or thousands of SS numbers, it would be one more use for the stolen info.

I think photo ID is the most reasonable. Here in Va they mail you a new registration card every election cycle which you present when you vote.

certifiedfunds
10-05-2012, 18:53
I'd rather have voter fraud than vest an ounce more authority in the scum sucking IRS.

Not to mention it has been used numerous times in the past to settle political scores.

fgutie35
10-05-2012, 18:56
I had the idea that with the modern computer systems we could take the IRS database and create a system to allow you to log in with your Social Security Number and vote. Everyone who is legal to vote has a SS#. The IRS knows who's dead and who's alive so it would stop that voter fraud. You have to have a SS# to get welfare so no one can say it is a hardship on the voter.

I am sure there are flaws that I just haven't thought of so let us discuss this and see where it goes.

You should go to your nearest SSN office and have them do a run check on you SSN# you will be appalled to know how many names will pop up under that number. When I did mine 8 years ago, there were six names attached to my SS#.

bonehead098
10-05-2012, 19:48
In Florida I have to show my voter ID & a government issued photo {DL or CCW or state issued ID } to vote. They won't let me vote without proving who I am.

Trapped_in_Kali
10-05-2012, 20:15
My wife's SS# was stolen, The IRS notified us and we have notified the SS administration. The government will do nothing about it. If you want to know why, Goggle how much the IRS takes in each year from illegals who do not file their taxes because they are using a false SS#. I know of more than one area I could go to in Los Angeles if I wanted a fake SS card.
SS#'s are not a good way to prove citizenship.

Angry Fist
10-05-2012, 20:18
i had the idea that with the modern computer systems we could take the irs database and create a system to allow you to log in with your social security number and vote. everyone who is legal to vote has a ss#. The irs knows who's dead and who's alive so it would stop that voter fraud. you have to have a ss# to get welfare so no one can say it is a hardship on the voter.

I am sure there are flaws that i just haven't thought of so let us discuss this and see where it goes.
ybgsm....

HollowHead
10-05-2012, 20:24
I don't care what you have to do to vote, as long as it's free. Otherwise, it violates the 24th...the shortest and clearest of all ammendments. HH

hamster
10-05-2012, 23:02
Hate to burst your bubble, but having a legally obtained Socialist Security number isn't proof of citizenship.

Any legal Alien eligible to work in the US can obtain a Social Security Number. Basically: every student on a visa, H1B work permit holder, foreign fiancee, green card holder etc in the country can legally have a Social Security#. None of these people would be eligible to vote.

http://ssa.gov/pubs/10096.html


I had the idea that with the modern computer systems we could take the IRS database and create a system to allow you to log in with your Social Security Number and vote. Everyone who is legal to vote has a SS#. The IRS knows who's dead and who's alive so it would stop that voter fraud. You have to have a SS# to get welfare so no one can say it is a hardship on the voter.

I am sure there are flaws that I just haven't thought of so let us discuss this and see where it goes.

Cali-Glock
10-05-2012, 23:10
SS may and SS numbers may not be used as identification: it may only be used for SS....

Oh wait our government violates their own laws regarding this issue every day. I hate our crooked government - no I will not be using my SS to vote.

certifiedfunds
10-05-2012, 23:17
Maybe we could just implant everyone with an RFID chip that carries a unique identifier.

Show up on voting day, get wanded and identified, cast your vote.

JMS
10-05-2012, 23:37
SSN doesn't equal citizenship. I remove earnings on a daily basis from illegals who work under each other's SSN. You wouldn't believe how many people are paid around the world that never set foot on US soil. I have to bite my tongue on a daily basis.

Tim151515
10-05-2012, 23:50
Maybe we could just implant everyone with an RFID chip that carries a unique identifier.

Show up on voting day, get wanded and identified, cast your vote.

or we could just issue a free id for those that dont have a drivers liscence...

*ASH*
10-06-2012, 01:36
Hate to burst your bubble, but having a legally obtained Socialist Security number isn't proof of citizenship.

Any legal Alien eligible to work in the US can obtain a Social Security Number. Basically: every student on a visa, H1B work permit holder, foreign fiancee, green card holder etc in the country can legally have a Social Security#. None of these people would be eligible to vote.

http://ssa.gov/pubs/10096.html

correct , on my farm i have migrant workers here legally , but they cannot vote

gwalchmai
10-06-2012, 06:04
I still like the "ear method" of identifying illegal aliens. It would prevent a lot of fraud.

certifiedfunds
10-06-2012, 07:01
I still like the "ear method" of identifying illegal aliens. It would prevent a lot of fraud.

Like a cattle tag?:dunno:

686Owner
10-06-2012, 07:29
Amish don't have SSN.

gwalchmai
10-06-2012, 09:38
Amish don't have SSN.Do the Amish vote?

686Owner
10-06-2012, 09:42
Do the Amish vote?

Well, they should be allowed to shouldn't they?

gwalchmai
10-06-2012, 09:46
Well, they should be allowed to shouldn't they?I'm sure there's no gummit restrictions keeping them from voting, but they tend to avoid mixing with the secular world is why I asked. :dunno:

686Owner
10-06-2012, 10:03
I'm sure there's no gummit restrictions keeping them from voting, but they tend to avoid mixing with the secular world is why I asked. :dunno:

Probably decided by the community. Many will take cabs into the city and eat at McDonalds. They will also have a telephone outside of their house.

IndyGunFreak
10-06-2012, 14:15
I'd rather have voter fraud than vest an ounce more authority in the scum sucking IRS.

Not to mention it has been used numerous times in the past to settle political scores.

100% agree.

I prefer the Voter ID laws to out fraud. Everyone should have a state issued ID. If by chance you don't, go to the BMV/wherever with documents proving your identity, and you will be given a free state ID.

That's how it's done here in Indiana, and I think it's fair. If you can't afford an ID, it removes that roadblock by providing a free ID. Now the liberals complain that the elderly, poor, etc.. can't get to a license branch. How do they get to the grocery store to use their welfare? Probably the bus, call a friend, taxi, etc. At some point, you have to take responsibility for yourself. I know the "R" word is scary to liberals, but it is what it is.

IGF

TheExplorer
10-06-2012, 14:52
PA is spending hundreds of thousands on overturning the ID law, but I personally think it's good. I feel everyone should have a picture form of id on them.

hamster
10-06-2012, 15:12
I'm sure there's no gummit restrictions keeping them from voting, but they tend to avoid mixing with the secular world is why I asked. :dunno:

The Amish guy who custom built our kitchen cabinets has a cell phone, but still wont' drive. Go figure.

certifiedfunds
10-06-2012, 15:18
The Amish guy who custom built our kitchen cabinets has a cell phone, but still wont' drive. Go figure.

Gotta stay in touch with the honeys

wrenrj1
10-06-2012, 18:56
Had the DEA ask for my birthdate and SSN last week based on a site visit several weeks ago. I have no part on a DEA registration, but maintain the registration in a file, and we hold no controlled substances, but would in an emergency, and not under my name. My agency basically told them to pound sand under state regulations regarding disclosure of employee information.

Point being, guard your SSN. Just another avenue for it to be
released.

napp32
10-06-2012, 19:07
Tattoo of ID number on left wrist would solve the problem. :whistling:

NH Trucker
10-06-2012, 20:01
I googled my own ss number and found a site called xdd.org. I started to freak out because it listed someone on there under my ss number, and gave all kinds of information on them. A friend of mine just informed me that it's a site that posts misinformation to try and trip up identity thieves.

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 20:05
I feel everyone should have a picture form of id on them.

Do you really think that everyone should be forced to carry papers? HH

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 20:07
Tattoo of ID number on left wrist would solve the problem. :whistling:

Why stop there? Let's bring back the yellow mogen david patch. HH

CitizenOfDreams
10-06-2012, 20:28
the 24th...the shortest and clearest of all ammendments.

And probably the most damaging to this country.

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 20:32
And probably the most damaging to this country.

How so? Should you have to pay to vote? HH

CitizenOfDreams
10-06-2012, 21:10
How so? Should you have to pay to vote? HH

Yes. Not necessarily with money, but you should spend some effort to cast your vote.

8-Ball
10-06-2012, 21:40
PA is spending hundreds of thousands on overturning the ID law, but I personally think it's good. I feel everyone should have a picture form of id on them.

Seriously?

Wow.

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 21:47
Yes. Not necessarily with money, but you should spend some effort to cast your vote.

Would the same apply to bearing arms? That, too is a COTUS guaranteed right. HH

CitizenOfDreams
10-06-2012, 22:21
Would the same apply to bearing arms? That, too is a COTUS guaranteed right.

Yes, only those who can afford a weapon should own and carry one. The government is not (and should not be) under obligation to provide them for free just because it's a "right".

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 22:25
Yes, only those who can afford a weapon should own and carry one. The government is not (and should not be) under obligation to provide them for free just because it's a "right".

Let's get back to the original discussion. Should you have to pay a fee to bear arms? HH

CitizenOfDreams
10-06-2012, 23:22
Let's get back to the original discussion. Should you have to pay a fee to bear arms? HH

No, I don't see such a fee as necessary. The cost of owning a weapon and the burden of applying for and maintaining your carry licence should be enough.

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 23:34
...the burden of applying for and maintaining your carry licence should be enough.

Why should you be charged to exercise a right in the first place? HH

CitizenOfDreams
10-06-2012, 23:46
Why should you be charged to exercise a right in the first place? HH

Why should you not be charged? Having a right to do something is not the same as having a right to do it for free.

SpectreRider
10-07-2012, 21:15
24th- The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Damn. :steamed: There goes my favorite "if you don't pay taxes you should not get a vote in electing those who will decide how to spend those taxes" argument. :embarassed:

Seriously, though. We have gone overboard on extending voting rights. And encouraging the politically disconnected (the low-information voter the pundits keep referencing) to get out and vote is just irresponsible. Making voting easier does the same. Encourage them to pay attention, voting will follow as a result. Of course some people are deeply into politics and still vote to further grease the skids.

Mushinto
10-07-2012, 22:04
In Florida I have to show my voter ID & a government issued photo {DL or CCW or state issued ID } to vote. They won't let me vote without proving who I am.

But, you do NOT have to show ID to vote with an absentee ballot in Florida. And, since you do not have to show ID to register to vote ... do the math.

ca survivor
10-08-2012, 14:41
Amish don't have SSN.
OMG, they vote ? :rofl:

686Owner
10-08-2012, 16:16
Yes, only those who can afford a weapon should own and carry one. The government is not (and should not be) under obligation to provide them for free just because it's a "right".


I agree...here's some changes we should make

5th amendment - If you don't want police to search your car for no reason, you should pay them $100.

6th - If you want a speedy trial, you should have to pay for it. Poor people should rot in prison before they get a trial.

13th - Slavery...bring it back! Don't want to be a slave? Pay up!

CitizenOfDreams
10-08-2012, 22:36
I agree...here's some changes we should make

5th amendment - If you don't want police to search your car for no reason, you should pay them $100.

6th - If you want a speedy trial, you should have to pay for it. Poor people should rot in prison before they get a trial.

13th - Slavery...bring it back! Don't want to be a slave? Pay up!

Well, that's pretty much how it works in real life.

If you don't want the police to search your car, you better be able to afford the legal expenses your refusal will incur.

Having bail money may not make the trial any speedier, but at least you will be waiting for it in the comfort of your home.

Slavery... I'm not ready to open that can of worms yet.

Kingarthurhk
10-08-2012, 23:06
It won't work. If you want to keep illegal aliens from voting, it won't work at all. How many of them have taken someone else's SSN and identifty to try to work here illegally and then try go gain a benefit by stealing an identity. Lots of them.

ROGER4314
10-08-2012, 23:17
That SS# was never supposed to be used for anything but SS. Now it's the "Taxpayer Identification Number" and was even used on some driver licenses.

I used to roll lots of coins from a soda vending venture and the bank tried to make me put my SS# and account # on each roll. I told them to buzz off!

I would resist any further use of our SS numbers for identification.

Flash

686Owner
10-09-2012, 05:33
Well, that's pretty much how it works in real life.

If you don't want the police to search your car, you better be able to afford the legal expenses your refusal will incur.

Having bail money may not make the trial any speedier, but at least you will be waiting for it in the comfort of your home.

Slavery... I'm not ready to open that can of worms yet.

At least we know where you stand.