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RedTop
10-06-2012, 20:47
I walked into AutoZone this morning to buy a few things and noticed they had a sign on the door – We Accept EBT.

WTF?

Now, I certainly don’t blame businesses for taking this form of payment if it is legal, but this truly makes me sick. It’s common knowledge that when people are on food stamps they use the money they would have spent on food to buy other things. However, re-distributing taxpayer money to directly pay for someone’s rims or curb-feelers is an outrage and I’m sure this is only the tip of the iceberg.

This crap has to stop. Do people not feel shame anymore? I wonder what the government will enable next for a few votes.

:steamed:

Zonny
10-06-2012, 20:51
Someone on welfare shouldn't be able to walk into an Autozone and replace their dead battery?

boomhower
10-06-2012, 20:56
I think they can only use it for soda and candy, they can't buy a set of brake pads with the EBT card.

boomhower
10-06-2012, 20:57
Someone on welfare shouldn't be able to walk into an Autozone and replace their dead battery?

Not with food stamps.

SMOKEin
10-06-2012, 20:57
So they shouldn't buy oil and filter to change it themselves? Oh that's right, they are poor and should go pay overpriced amounts to have the quickie lube do it instead.

Zonny
10-06-2012, 21:00
Not with food stamps.

"EBT" does not indicate just food stamps. EBT= Electronic Benefits Transfer. Many forms of assistance are placed on that EBT card. You cannot walk into an AutoZone and buy a battery with only Food Stamp benefits on your card.

RedTop
10-06-2012, 21:00
Someone on welfare shouldn't be able to walk into an Autozone and replace their dead battery?

Then what's next? When does it stop?

Zonny
10-06-2012, 21:02
Then what's next? When does it stop?

I don't understand your reasoning. Welfare used to come in the
form of a check. Now it's placed on the card. They can spend that money as they see fit. It has nothing to do with food benefits.

MasterShake
10-06-2012, 21:10
I have to agree with Zonny here, why shouldn't someone on welfare be able to fix their probably run down car? :dunno:

DustyBottoms
10-06-2012, 21:12
In a 2010 Los Angeles Times report, EBT cards were being used in places like Indian casinos and strip clubs.

According to The Times, it was discovered that nearly $5 million in cash benefits were spent or withdrawn from ATMs at casinos and poker rooms between January 2007 and May 2010.

“The cards, which provide recipients access to federal as well as state cash, were also used in tourist destinations, including the Las Vegas Strip, a remote Hawaiian island that is home to two Four Seasons resorts and on cruise ships leaving from ports around the globe,” The Times reported.

To try to combat the abuses, a bill was introduced last year by the U.S. Senate Finance Committee which bars welfare recipients nationwide from using their EBT cards in casinos, strip clubs, liquor stores, massage parlors, medical marijuana dispensaries, bars and even cruise ships.

It was called discriminatory... and failed.

Diesel McBadass
10-06-2012, 21:14
theres a cash balance on them you can use for whatever, you can get cash back even

Zonny
10-06-2012, 21:16
Yep. People have and always will spend money they don't have, foolishly.

Problem is, there is no way to control this when as I stated before, their welfare benefits used to come to them by way of a check at the first of the month. They could then, cash that check and walk into any casino/strip club/whore house/ or bar that they wanted to. Nothing is different today except the obvious use of the card.

RedTop
10-06-2012, 21:23
My reasoning is simple – It seems there isn’t any indignity attached to receiving aid anymore, especially when it’s handed out by the government. First it was about feeding the hungry when they’re down on their luck. Now it appears to be a way of life, for recipients, businesses, and politicians. And in some cases, celebrated:

MY EBT (NOW ON iTUNES) - By @MrEBT & @CaptnHook_Maine - YouTube

LASTRESORT20
10-06-2012, 21:23
Then what's next? When does it stop?



***You are correct in asking....its hard earned tax payer money involved....nice to know if there are any limits....and *`just who`* can use the "E.B.T"...and for what.

Over-weight baby makin "machine" welfare queens just dont cut it....and baby `makin` Illegals` speaking a different language with baskets full of food using their cell phone & `livin` high on the cob doesnt do it for me either....

Tolerent.. Pandering.. supportive, touchy feely "progressives" (socialists) make me sick.....and they hate me as much as I dislike them.....:tongueout:

glock_19guy1983
10-06-2012, 21:28
theres a cash balance on them you can use for whatever, you can get cash back even

How do I qualify for EBT cash that can be used for anything? Wonder if I would be the first person to walk into wally world and buy ammo with an EBT card.:supergrin:

Zonny
10-06-2012, 21:28
I agree the whole system stinks and the abuse is rampant but it's not as simple as preventing someone on benefits (as long as they are truly in need) from buying a battery in an AutoZone.

Personally, I would like to see the food benefits limited to only basic, healthy food. No empty calorie/junk food allowed. Also, no expensive cuts of meat.

The WIC program states exactly what is eligible for purchase within that program. I think that should be the way Food Stamp benefits are handled too.

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 21:44
Personally, I would like to see the food benefits limited to only basic, healthy food. No empty calorie/junk food allowed. Also, no expensive cuts of meat.

The WIC program states exactly what is eligible for purchase within that program. I think that should be the way Food Stamp benefits are handled too.

Agreed. HH

Rinspeed
10-06-2012, 21:57
Hope and Change man, Hope and Change.

Diesel McBadass
10-06-2012, 22:18
I change lines when i see a WIC check, seems they never get the right things and hold up the line

Id like to see ebt turned into a food voucher for basic things, and also ebt cards will have audio that announces its a food stamp, be the size of an ipod and be a nice glowing neon color to shame them

ricka10
10-06-2012, 22:27
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/luo40WjBKWI?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> :rofl:

Drain You
10-06-2012, 22:39
Darn dirty food stampers, you don't need a battery to get groceries for your kids or go to job interviews, just use your boot straps!

Go ahead damn it, use them!

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 22:41
Darn dirty food stampers, you don't need a battery to get groceries for your kids or go to job interviews, just use your boot straps!

Go ahead damn it, use them!

What if you can't afford boots? HH

hpracing007
10-06-2012, 22:45
I was just chatting with my dad about EBT and food stamps.

Why don't they just make a damn EBT/food stamp store, fill it with beans, rice, potatoes, whatever vegetable/fruit is in season, maybe give them some meat? Why are they allowed to shop at the same stores as normal people and on top of that purchases junk food and the most expensive cuts of meat?

If they don't like it, they don't have to go.

Zonny
10-06-2012, 22:50
I was just chatting with my dad about EBT and food stamps.

Why don't they just make a damn EBT/food stamp store, fill it with beans, rice, potatoes, whatever vegetable/fruit is in season, maybe give them some meat? Why are they allowed to shop at the same stores as normal people and on top of that purchases junk food and the most expensive cuts of meat?

If they don't like it, they don't have to go.

This could work. Much like a surplus store. Dented cans etc.

Diesel McBadass
10-06-2012, 22:55
This could work. Much like a surplus store. Dented cans etc.

zonny when ya running for office?

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 22:56
I was just chatting with my dad about EBT and food stamps.

Why don't they just make a damn EBT/food stamp store, fill it with beans, rice, potatoes, whatever vegetable/fruit is in season, maybe give them some meat? Why are they allowed to shop at the same stores as normal people and on top of that purchases junk food and the most expensive cuts of meat?

If they don't like it, they don't have to go.

How do you get there if you can't afford a car battery? HH

hpracing007
10-06-2012, 23:03
How do you get there if you can't afford a car battery? HH

The bus.

But where my family is from, they use bicycles and walk to go buy their food. People seemed to be able to feed themselves before the invention of the car battery.

Diesel McBadass
10-06-2012, 23:05
my state gives away ebt with no background checks and even wealthy people abuse it.

Basically, if a guy makes 100k a year and his wife is a stay at home mom, she can file as unemployed and get them. A student living with parents can, etc. And you wonder why our economy sucks, and former governor is most likely winning a senate seat.....

Phaze5ive
10-06-2012, 23:16
my state gives away ebt with no background checks and even wealthy people abuse it.

Basically, if a guy makes 100k a year and his wife is a stay at home mom, she can file as unemployed and get them. A student living with parents can, etc. And you wonder why our economy sucks, and former governor is most likely winning a senate seat.....

Posters on here don't seem to realize this concept, but people will always act in a way that's beneficial to them. People here seem to constantly ***** about how poor people abuse the system, but when the wealthy take advantage of a tax loophole, it's considered being financially smart.

I'm not defending any position. I'm just saying that the behavior is incredibly human.

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 23:21
Posters on here don't seem to realize this concept, but people will always act in a way that's beneficial to them. People here seem to constantly ***** about how poor people abuse the system, but when the wealthy take advantage of a tax loophole, it's considered being financially smart.

I'm not defending any position. I'm just saying that the behavior is incredibly human.

But it's easier to point fingers at the poor. They look different than us. HH

BEER
10-06-2012, 23:22
there are 2 sides to this issue.

1) there are the hard working folks that need the assitance and need to put brakes/battery/spark plugs.whatever on their governement card to get to work to get back on their feet.

2) there's the welfare entitled that need to put 100 stickers all over their car to make it look faster after they've added the fart can, the skull plate frame, and the celtic dragon seat covers.

now which do you think deserves the card and which dosen't? then ask yourself which you think is actually gonna get that card?

now for the important question. what do you think you're gonna do about it? you think you're gonna stop it? what about out voting it? no matter what you do this sort of **** is gonna happen, so what good does it serve to whine about it?

this is the world we live ion because we let it happen. the little ********* down the street can father 12 kids and while they're wearing torn up t-shirts as diapers we're paying for him to have fake carbon fiber gas pedals.

are we ready to take to the streets with arms yet?

HollowHead
10-06-2012, 23:29
are we ready to take to the streets with arms yet?

Only if the streets are in the Cayman Islands. HH

98LS-WON
10-07-2012, 10:05
People here seem to constantly ***** about how poor people abuse the system, but when the wealthy take advantage of a tax loophole, it's considered being financially smart.


I'm willing to do anything I can legally do to prevent the government from wasting my money. Giving them less to waste is a whole lot easier than trying to influence their spending. I see people wasting gov $$ as bad, I don't see giving the gov less $$ to waste as bad. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I can be convinced of that.

DanaT
10-07-2012, 10:08
Whoa.

I need some oil. Where can I get one of these cards? It seems I can get free crap? I need one.

Atlas
10-07-2012, 10:29
Whoa.

I need some oil. Where can I get one of these cards? It seems I can get free crap? I need one.

Shops in Baden –Württemberg accept (or even recognize) EBT ?
:wavey:

certifiedfunds
10-07-2012, 10:36
there are 2 sides to this issue.

1) there are the hard working folks that need the assitance and need to put brakes/battery/spark plugs.whatever on their governement card to get to work to get back on their feet.

2) there's the welfare entitled that need to put 100 stickers all over their car to make it look faster after they've added the fart can, the skull plate frame, and the celtic dragon seat covers.

now which do you think deserves the card and which dosen't? then ask yourself which you think is actually gonna get that card?

now for the important question. what do you think you're gonna do about it? you think you're gonna stop it? what about out voting it? no matter what you do this sort of **** is gonna happen, so what good does it serve to whine about it?

this is the world we live ion because we let it happen. the little ********* down the street can father 12 kids and while they're wearing torn up t-shirts as diapers we're paying for him to have fake carbon fiber gas pedals.

are we ready to take to the streets with arms yet?

Neither deserves the card.

certifiedfunds
10-07-2012, 10:39
What if you can't afford boots? HH

St. Vincent depaul

Atlas
10-07-2012, 10:41
Neither deserves the card.

And that is the truth.

DanaT
10-07-2012, 10:42
Shops in Baden –Württemberg accept (or even recognize) EBT ?
:wavey:

Not really. They like cash.

But I need the oil in CO...autozone even carries it...

Zonny
10-07-2012, 10:46
For the most part, its about poor choices. They will continue to make them when they are now eligible for assistance.

Raise your kids with a sense of responsibility people!!!

nursetim
10-07-2012, 10:55
People will do what they can get away with, as stated previously. The idea of a basics store is not a bad one. But they need to add fresh fruits and vegetables as the main part of the diet to keep the recipients from becoming obese and the help the obese become unobeses. I love making up words. We still need drug testing for recipients.

Zonny
10-07-2012, 10:59
People will do what they can get away with, as stated previously. The idea of a basics store is not a bad one. But they need to add fresh fruits and vegetables as the main part of the diet to keep the recipients from becoming obese and the help the obese become unobeses. I love making up words. We still need drug testing for recipients.

:agree:

So, "unobeses" is a noun? :supergrin:

tnhawk
10-07-2012, 11:17
For the most part, its about poor choices. They will continue to make them when they are now eligible for assistance.

Raise your kids with a sense of responsibility people!!!
It's become a modern system of slavery. Assistance should be short term, not passed from generation to another, every few years.

zoyter2
10-07-2012, 11:23
Then what's next? When does it stop?


LOL...maybe you can't buy groceries with your ebt where beer is sold? Or cloths? Or oil? You know....Walmart?

The register will not allow ebt money to be mis-allocated at the point of sale.

hpracing007
10-07-2012, 11:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luo40WjBKWI&feature=relmfu

Another one...

this is supposedly the clean version... but i don't know if it would pass GT standards as clean, just a warning.

Zonny
10-07-2012, 11:35
The register will not allow ebt money to be mis-allocated at the point of sale.

Exactly. That card reader is pretty smart. Now, If they could only define what qualifies as 'reasonable' nutritional needs. I don't want anyone going hungry but I don't want them wasting those funds on garbage food or eating better than I do.

Diesel McBadass
10-07-2012, 11:41
my governor may be a dick sometimes but trying to get drug testing for welfare was a great idea, before the bleeding heart types blocked that. Instantly cut at least half of welfare recipients

Woofie
10-07-2012, 12:04
Stop handing out new welfare. Make all existing welfare expire in twelve months.

I just solved the budget problem.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to proving the Riemann hypothesis.

Diesel McBadass
10-07-2012, 12:08
I remember the idea of 36 months welfare over a lifetime being floated around, forgot what level of government, Im a fan :)

Atlas
10-07-2012, 12:12
In Germany they offer assistance to those in need, but they impose some stringent limits.
I don't remember the details, but the system is carefully designed to ensure those receiving assistance are working to pull themselves out of their dependency.


Seems to work for them.

nmstew
10-07-2012, 12:13
It's become a modern system of slavery. Assistance should be short term, not passed from generation to another, every few years.

No. Slavery is fought against by the slaves. People are lining up in droves for this and threatening to riot if it is stopped. Slavery never had that.

certifiedfunds
10-07-2012, 12:20
Stop handing out new welfare. Make all existing welfare expire in twelve months.

I just solved the budget problem.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to proving the Riemann hypothesis.

You've only solved the budget problem if you're including Medicare and social security. Otherwise you've just rounded the numbers.

Atlas
10-07-2012, 12:27
No. Slavery is fought against by the slaves. People are lining up in droves for this and threatening to riot if it is stopped. Slavery never had that.

We who are forced to pay are the slaves.

We are enslaved to the welfare class as surely as any slave working a cotton plantation ever was.

podwich
10-07-2012, 12:43
Posters on here don't seem to realize this concept, but people will always act in a way that's beneficial to them. People here seem to constantly ***** about how poor people abuse the system, but when the wealthy take advantage of a tax loophole, it's considered being financially smart.

I'm not defending any position. I'm just saying that the behavior is incredibly human.

The former is getting more money given/redistributed to them; the latter is keeping more money they've earned. There is a difference.

Woofie
10-07-2012, 12:48
You've only solved the budget problem if you're including Medicare and social security. Otherwise you've just rounded the numbers.

Welfare is welfare.

dango
10-07-2012, 12:53
Kinda had caught my eye , Lamborghini , Murcielago , where do I sign up ?

Woofie
10-07-2012, 12:55
Posters on here don't seem to realize this concept, but people will always act in a way that's beneficial to them. People here seem to constantly ***** about how poor people abuse the system, but when the wealthy take advantage of a tax loophole, it's considered being financially smart.

I'm not defending any position. I'm just saying that the behavior is incredibly human.

Can you give me a specific tax loophole the wealthy take advantage of? I would like to minimize how much money the government Robin Hoods out of my bank account.

certifiedfunds
10-07-2012, 13:14
Posters on here don't seem to realize this concept, but people will always act in a way that's beneficial to them. People here seem to constantly ***** about how poor people abuse the system, but when the wealthy take advantage of a tax loophole, it's considered being financially smart.

I'm not defending any position. I'm just saying that the behavior is incredibly human.

You're wrong on principle but please identify these tax loopholes. PLEASE!

Thanks in advance!:wavey:

Breadman03
10-07-2012, 13:25
I agree the whole system stinks and the abuse is rampant but it's not as simple as preventing someone on benefits (as long as they are truly in need) from buying a battery in an AutoZone.

Personally, I would like to see the food benefits limited to only basic, healthy food. No empty calorie/junk food allowed. Also, no expensive cuts of meat.

The WIC program states exactly what is eligible for purchase within that program. I think that should be the way Food Stamp benefits are handled too.

Agreed. I don't mind helping someone survive, but they shouldn't be able to afford more than I can.

IndyGunFreak
10-07-2012, 13:28
Someone on welfare shouldn't be able to walk into an Autozone and replace their dead battery?

Sure they can, but not w/ an EBT card.

If the card has their welfare benefits on it, then go to an ATM machine, withdraw cash, and then pay cash for the battery.

Zonny
10-07-2012, 13:32
Sure they can, but not w/ an EBT card.

If the card has their welfare benefits on it, then go to an ATM machine, withdraw cash, and then pay cash for the battery.


What's the difference? :dunno:

certifiedfunds
10-07-2012, 13:34
Agreed. I don't mind helping someone survive, but they shouldn't be able to afford more than I can.

Do it with your money. Not someone else's.

certifiedfunds
10-07-2012, 13:35
Sure they can, but not w/ an EBT card.

If the card has their welfare benefits on it, then go to an ATM machine, withdraw cash, and then pay cash for the battery.

It's their money. Why can't they spend it any way they see fit? Drugs, batteries, food.....what business is it of yours?

IndyGunFreak
10-07-2012, 13:37
What's the difference? :dunno:

There are just some places, an EBT card should not be allowed to be used. Sorry, an auto store is one.

What's the difference, with Cash, you get what you pay for. Who's to say (hypothetically) that someone couldn't "ring up" $50 worth of "soda and candy" and give them a set of brake pads?

There's been enough fraud like that with EBT cards, there needs to be limits on where they can be used in addition to what they can be used for.

Zonny
10-07-2012, 13:41
Sorry, I see absolutely no logic there.

With cash, there is no trail. I'd rather 'big brother' sees where that money is being spent.

hpracing007
10-07-2012, 13:46
Sorry, I see absolutely no logic there.

With cash, there is no trail. I'd rather 'big brother' sees where that money is being spent.

This country has some problems, they actually had to vote on if it was okay or not to able to use the card at the strip club :faint:

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/06/news/economy/strip_club_welfare/index.htm

Zonny
10-07-2012, 13:49
The problem is in deciding whom and for long someone qualifies.

TEMPORARY assistance. NOT a lifestyle.

M&P Shooter
10-07-2012, 13:55
Bottom line is too many lazy pigs lay home smoking weed and drinking beer all day and the laughs on me because I payed for it all:crying:

Bren
10-07-2012, 14:23
Someone on welfare shouldn't be able to walk into an Autozone and replace their dead battery?

No. They shouldn't get welfare and, if they do get welfare, it should be limited to survival necessities. Food and medicine, at most. Going beyond that just makes being on welfare a nice way to pay for things, while you use your spare time to make real money in the drug business.

Booker
10-07-2012, 14:40
There be plenty of stupid people on GNC!

EBT is more than food stamps. Some States will even put your unemployment benefits on an EBT card. Should a person be allowed to spend their unemployment money and silly things like rent, clothes, vehicle maintenance?

nmstew
10-07-2012, 14:54
We who are forced to pay are the slaves.

We are enslaved to the welfare class as surely as any slave working a cotton plantation ever was.

Ah! Good point.

nmstew
10-07-2012, 14:56
After looking at "ObamaPhone girl" and the Swipe Yo EBT video, can we safely say that ebt/welfare has become the new reparations?

Never Nervous
10-07-2012, 15:23
Posters on here don't seem to realize this concept, but people will always act in a way that's beneficial to them. People here seem to constantly ***** about how poor people abuse the system, but when the wealthy take advantage of a tax loophole, it's considered being financially smart.

I'm not defending any position. I'm just saying that the behavior is incredibly human.

Insightful post Phaze5ive. The bill that covers welfare is an agricultural bill and covers farming as well. There are farmers who are paid not to grow crops to keep the price of food at a higher level. Are they getting welfare? They are not earning the money they are getting.

There are farmers who get thousands of dollars each year and they do not even farm. They may have bought some farm land that was used to grow crops at one time, rice for example.

The government will give thousands to them each year just because they own the land even though they don't even claim to be farmers. This has been going on for years.

As Phaze5ive said, I'm not defending the abuse that is going on from either side, but no one seems to focus on the wealthier citizens who are fleecing the system, while everyone see's Pookie and Ray Ray getting a card every month.

NN

Never Nervous
10-07-2012, 15:28
Neither deserves the card.

True that.

NN

RedTop
10-07-2012, 19:14
Governments (fed, state, and local) are pushing for dependency which is a huge part of the problem. From the USDA’s own website:

Our common goal is to increase participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program )SNAP). Our purpose is to ensure that those going through difficult times can feed their families healthy, nutritious food. By working as a team, we can accomplish these goals.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/outreach/tool-kits.htm

To increase SNAP participation, Ashe County DSS, in partnership with Second Harvest Food Bank of Northwest North Carolina hired an experienced eligibility worker with knowledge of the county to visit partner agencies in rural areas to pre-screen households and help them complete applications. Hearing from the outreach worker that benefits could be used to purchase seeds and plants for their gardens turned out to be a very important strategy in counteracting what they described as “mountain pride” and appealed to those who wished not to rely on others. Eventually, many accepted assistance from the Low Income Energy Assistance Program, the Qualified Medicare Beneficiary program, and others, in some cases doubling a household’s net income.


http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/outreach/coalition/hunger-champions_11.pdf


File this under - The more participants we get this year means a bigger budget next year. This is job security 101 for these types of government employees. Also, notice in the second quote they’re trying to “appeal to those who wish not to rely on others” to accept aid. Unbelievable…

HollowHead
10-07-2012, 19:52
It's their money. Why can't they spend it any way they see fit? Drugs, batteries, food.....what business is it of yours?

Now that you mention it... HH

nursetim
10-07-2012, 21:03
It's their money. Why can't they spend it any way they see fit? Drugs, batteries, food.....what business is it of yours?

Please tell me your kidding, right?

It is my business because its yours and mine tax dollars dude. You do shady stuff with my money, I'm not giving it to you again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. And all that. It is EVERY TAX PAYERS business to try to stop this abuse. Not on the personal level, but on the political level. Hold our congress critters feet to the fire on this issue.

HarlDane
10-07-2012, 21:50
There are just some places, an EBT card should not be allowed to be used. Sorry, an auto store is one.

What's the difference, with Cash, you get what you pay for. Who's to say (hypothetically) that someone couldn't "ring up" $50 worth of "soda and candy" and give them a set of brake pads?

There's been enough fraud like that with EBT cards, there needs to be limits on where they can be used in addition to what they can be used for.I'm not sure what it is about this subject that confuses so many people, but every time it comes up, there are quite a few that just can't grasp that EBT isn't just food stamps, despite it being pointed out multiple times per thread.

As long as we have welfare, I really can't see getting upset about someone fixing their car with the funds, especially if their doing the work themselves. IMO, that would be one of the more responsible things to do with it. At the very least it sure beats the hell out of blowing it at strip clubs or Indian casinos.

certifiedfunds
10-08-2012, 02:23
Please tell me your kidding, right?

It is my business because its yours and mine tax dollars dude. You do shady stuff with my money, I'm not giving it to you again. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. And all that. It is EVERY TAX PAYERS business to try to stop this abuse. Not on the personal level, but on the political level. Hold our congress critters feet to the fire on this issue.

You don't give it to them. The government takes it from you and the government gives it to them. Once the government gives it to them, it is their money. At that point, how they choose to spend it really isn't any of your concern any more than how I spend my money.

Would you dare tell a Social Security recipient how they must spend their money?

What you're describing above sounds like charity. EBT is a government program. You have no say. Shut your yap. Pay up.

Iron bottom
10-08-2012, 05:05
It is a good way to redistribute the wealth. There are many others. Get your heads out of your butts.

Flying-Dutchman
10-08-2012, 05:16
We who are forced to pay are the slaves.

We are enslaved to the welfare class as surely as any slave working a cotton plantation ever was.
You are a slave only until April 17th, Tax Freedom Day. The rest of the year is yours.

Soon you will be working ½ a year for the EBT’ers due to Obamacare.

One day Americans will quit working to support others and join the EBT crowd; instant collapse.

certifiedfunds
10-08-2012, 05:22
You are a slave only until April 17th, Tax Freedom Day. The rest of the year is yours.

Soon you will be working ½ a year for the EBT’ers due to Obamacare.

One day Americans will quit working to support others and join the EBT crowd; instant collapse.

April 17th my butt

Flying-Dutchman
10-08-2012, 05:31
April 17th my butt
On average.

You are probably someone Obama describes as one of the “fortunate ones” who due to pure luck made some money they now must share to be fair.

certifiedfunds
10-08-2012, 05:46
On average.

You are probably someone Obama describes as one of the “fortunate ones” who due to pure luck made some money they now must share to be fair.

My point being three fold:

1. The vast majority of Americans do not pay 25% of their income in taxes.

2. Many pay in excess of it.

3. It ignores the full actual tax burden realized when all taxation and re-taxation is taken in sum.

I'm not meaning to split hairs with you but too many people are ignorant to the true nature of taxation in the US.

Bren
10-08-2012, 05:55
It is a good way to redistribute the wealth. There are many others. Get your heads out of your butts.

There is no good way to do the wrong thing and nothing is wronger than redistributing wealth.

Breadman03
10-08-2012, 05:59
Do it with your money. Not someone else's.

And I have. I traveled the East Coast by train a bit when visiting home on leave. I was frequently approached by people who claimed to need money for food to survive.

I developed a simple screening process that filtered out appx. 97% of applicants without using any paperwork or background checks.

I said, "Sorry, no cash. But I'll take you and your kids to this restaurant for dinner."

I only had one person accept a cheeseburger.

I believe that we should extend a hand to someone when they stumble to prevent them from falling, such as with short term unemployment benefits or welfare for someone who develops a severe disability.

I take issue with the fact that we have made welfare a very comfortable hammock.

I had a business that failed due to a rapidly shrinking customer base that was reliant on tourism for a majority of the sales made. I lost my house and went back to school to complete my degree and collect the GI Bill, about $1,200/ month. That put me over the limit of eligibility to collect any welfare benefits for a family of 6. The only way a full time student can collect is if they work a minimum of 20 hours per week, which will put them over the income limit.

I see a conflict of interest here. I am trying to better myself through education and am willing to make sacrifices to get there. I could easily sit on my butt all day, playing PS3, and swipe an ACCESS card for all of my needs, but that is not who I am. My issue is that I was told that I would qualify for everything if I dropped out of school.

It made it very difficult to survive, but I made it work by getting a part time job that just makes ends meet. Since the jobs near my house don't pay diddly squat, it has never been a financially sound decision for my wife to work due to the expense of daycare. She began to persue her dream of becoming an author and she has begun to earn more money per quarter than my business made annually during the last 4 years we owned it.

certifiedfunds
10-08-2012, 06:01
It is a good way to redistribute the wealth. There are many others. Get your heads out of your butts.

Wealth redistribution via government requires theft. Theft is evil. You're advocating for evil.

In a country where the vast majority of wealth is first generational, if you need the government to redistribute it for you, well, you're pathetic.

certifiedfunds
10-08-2012, 06:03
And I have. I traveled the East Coast by train a bit when visiting home on leave. I was frequently approached by people who claimed to need money for food to survive.

I developed a simple screening process that filtered out appx. 97% of applicants without using any paperwork or background checks.

I said, "Sorry, no cash. But I'll take you and your kids to this restaurant for dinner."

I only had one person accept a cheeseburger.

I believe that we should extend a hand to someone when they stumble to prevent them from falling, such as with short term unemployment benefits or welfare for someone who develops a severe disability.

I take issue with the fact that we have made welfare a very comfortable hammock.

I had a business that failed due to a rapidly shrinking customer base that was reliant on tourism for a majority of the sales made. I lost my house and went back to school to complete my degree and collect the GI Bill, about $1,200/ month. That put me over the limit of eligibility to collect any welfare benefits for a family of 6. The only way a full time student can collect is if they work a minimum of 20 hours per week, which will put them over the income limit.

I see a conflict of interest here. I am trying to better myself through education and am willing to make sacrifices to get there. I could easily sit on my butt all day, playing PS3, and swipe an ACCESS card for all of my needs, but that is not who I am. My issue is that I was told that I would qualify for everything if I dropped out of school.

It made it very difficult to survive, but I made it work by getting a part time job that just makes ends meet. Since the jobs near my house don't pay diddly squat, it has never been a financially sound decision for my wife to work due to the expense of daycare. She began to persue her dream of becoming an author and she has begun to earn more money per quarter than my business made annually during the last 4 years we owned it.

Good. Be charitable. It's what makes us human. But no thieving government safety net. That's the role of charity.

Iron bottom
10-08-2012, 06:59
Let me rephrase my post. It is a good way for the government to redistribute the taxpayer's wealth to the deadbeats.

There was a small business loan scam that went down a few years ago. Local city got around a million dollars to hand out. Someone noticed that only one person was paying his loan back. A little government agency investigation revealed that only the guy paying his loan back had given the loan officer his right name. The loan officer was told not to do that again.

There are lots of scams that redistribute the wealth.

I do not support the redistribute the wealth scams in any way, shape, form or fashion.

OctoberRust
10-08-2012, 07:07
But it's easier to point fingers at the poor. They look different than us. HH

Poor or rich, a thief is a thief. Especially one that pays a gov't to strong arm those who actually work for a living, to line their pockets with some fruits of their labor.

SC Tiger
10-08-2012, 07:29
Someone on welfare shouldn't be able to walk into an Autozone and replace their dead battery?

Within the confines of the program (in other words within it's stated purpose) I agree that someone on EBT should be able to use the money to repair their car. My reasoning is that most job applications have a line where you have to state whether you have reliable transportation to and from work.

I do think the benefits should be more restricted (alcohol, expensive meats, etc are not necessary) but reliable transporation is necessary.

Now whether EBT should even exist is another argument.

Glock&KimberLady
10-08-2012, 16:47
I didn't know what EBT was until a few months ago when I finally asked a very nice cashier, who explained it all to me.

This was at Trader Joe's, which is a somewhat upscale niche grocery market selling organic foofoo cheeses and pastas and juices and such (don't judge, their frozen Kung Pao chicken is the bomb). Think Whole Foods...not everything there is expensive but it certainly costs more than, say, Albertson's or Kroger.

After explaining what EBT was, he also told me that he estimated 25% at least of their customers used that card to buy their groceries.

Mr. GKL makes pretty good money, but I reserve a trip to TJ's every few months or so as a splurge outing. Fries my ass to think that people are using welfare monies to eat expensive food on my dollar, whereas most of the time I shop at Fred Meyer or Wal Mart.

Must be nice.

Jon_R
10-08-2012, 18:10
The problem is in deciding whom and for long someone qualifies.

TEMPORARY assistance. NOT a lifestyle.

Just have to decide what you do with people who refuse to work or have absolutely no skills making them worth spending minimum wage on them as an employer. No kids to bad starve to death you put yourself there.

What do we do when they have a couple kids? Same answer? That is my issue just can't bring myself to leave kids to starve to death for nothing they did to warrant it. I also have a hard time saying the state should seize someones kids without proof of actual abuse.

Kids complicate it at least for me. Just adults, sink or swim.