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LASTRESORT20
10-07-2012, 13:36
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1176827.1349573367!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/obama-falls.jpg


FTA "A presidential reelection campaign needs three key elements: a defense of the incumbent’s record, a successful effort to define the opposition and a compelling vision of a second term.

President Obama may well celebrate a second term in Chicago next month, but the conventional wisdom underestimates the difficulty he faces, as his campaign has distinct problems with all three elements.

His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, his effort to define Mitt Romney is nearly exhausted, and his vision for the next four years — perhaps the most important — has been largely missing from his effort this year."





http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/falling-article-1.1176348

countrygun
10-07-2012, 13:56
An accurate summary.

His record is abysmal. Finding something worth defending is almost impossible.

Attempting to define Romney has degenerated into schoolyard name calling.

His vision of a second term is more of the failure of the first term.

JFrame
10-07-2012, 14:02
Excellent analysis -- thanks for posting the article... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/good2.gif


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GAFinch
10-07-2012, 14:09
It'd be interesting to see Valerie Jarrett debate Romney next time. She could hold her own with clear policy ideas, but the Tea Party movement would suddenly grow to about 200 million people.

Trew2Life
10-07-2012, 14:19
Should we really apply 'conventional wisdom' in such an unconventional election? extremely popular president; an economy that can be described as 'lack-luster' (at worst); sub-par GOP nominee.

It will be a difficult task. His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, but it is not indefensible.

Trying to define Mitt Romney can be exhausting. Romney has the worst favorability ratings in modern memory. There are many issues to define.

I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure.

I do know (and data supports (http://business.financialpost.com/2012/02/23/stocks-fare-better-under-democrats/)) my personal economics have always seem to fair better under democratic administrations.

Chronos
10-07-2012, 14:30
IMO, he doesn't need a campaign when close to half the people are entirely willing to promise their (and our) childrens' future labor and wealth to China right now for a few more pathetic government "goodies" today. In the long term, this ultimate disgusting form of greed will win out, as it does in every democracy. Best to get psychologically ahead of the game, if you don't want to repeat history.

LASTRESORT20
10-07-2012, 14:49
Should we really apply 'conventional wisdom' in such an unconventional election? extremely popular president; an economy that can be described as 'lack-luster' (at worst); sub-par GOP nominee.

It will be a difficult task. His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, but it is not indefensible.

Trying to define Mitt Romney can be exhausting. Romney has the worst favorability ratings in modern memory. There are many issues to define.

I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure.

I do know (and data supports) my personal economics have always seem to fair better under democratic administrations.


Trying to `explain` obama (The guy `in Power` now) can be exhausting...he is the most damaging president in the history of this country.....*This failing "Democratic" administration is like non-other we have ever seen...it is not the same....it has changed to an anti-American party...anyone that cannot see that has issues.....

Blind ravenous Lemming socialists will continue to try and discredit the `success` of Mitt Romney as a person and businessman.....They have nothing else to go with...Nothing.

Trew2Life
10-07-2012, 15:04
Trying to `explain` obama (The guy `in Power` now) can be exhausting...he is the most damaging president in the history of this country.....*This failing "Democratic" administration is like non-other we have ever seen...it is not the same....it has changed to an anti-American party...anyone that cannot see that has issues.....

Blind ravenous Lemming socialists will continue to try and discredit the `success` of Mitt Romney as a person and businessman.....They have nothing else to go with...Nothing.

Your arguement seems a little irrational. "The most damaging president in the history of this country" is quite a subjective dishonor. I have a steady job. My job is hiring. My community is expanding. New business' are building. Wall Street is earning record breaking profits. My civil rights have not been violated.

I'm sorry if the place you live is stiffled in failed economics plans. That may be the result of poor leadership on a state/local level.

countrygun
10-07-2012, 15:20
Your arguement seems a little irrational. "The most damaging president in the history of this country" is quite a subjective dishonor. I have a steady job. My job is hiring. My community is expanding. New business' are building. Wall Street is earning record breaking profits. My civil rights have not been violated.

I'm sorry if the place you live is stiffled in failed economics plans. That may be the result of poor leadership on a state/local level.


Well if what you said earlier is true,


"I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure."


other than your military service you have been getting a free ride so I don't think it is fair for you to tell taxpayers what they should put up with.

LoadToadBoss
10-07-2012, 15:23
"Hope and Change" is not an economic recovery plan any more than hoping things change.

If the foundations were flawed at the first, they will falter at the finish. BHO's economic world view and vision of government are flawed from inception.

jdavionic
10-07-2012, 16:12
Geez, you're quick. I bet you just barely beat lintfocker from making the same post :rofl:

Funny, some of the Sunday talking heads made the same points. He has no defense for his record and really cannot talk about it. It's inexcusable.

Trew2Life
10-07-2012, 16:17
Well if what you said earlier is true,

"I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure."

other than your military service you have been getting a free ride so I don't think it is fair for you to tell taxpayers what they should put up with.

I'm not quite sure where the 'free ride' is.
I earn. I spend. I consume. Repeat.

I get no entitlements. I get no subsidies. I pay sales tax, State, Social Security and Medicare taxes.

If, during the period of a fiscal year, I pay more taxes than owed I will receive a tax refund.

This is your definition of a 'free ride'? We are in deficit worm hole, but I am not the 'free rider' you're looking for.

Trew2Life
10-07-2012, 16:30
I empathize with anyone who may be living in a community that is struggling under economic pressures. Particularly, in areas where the economic hardships are made worse by poor leadership on a local/state level.

I live in a blue state. We have the honor of having the highest average median household income in the nation. We also have the largest share of millionaires per capita than any other state in the union.

We have crime. We have unemployment. We have no right to carry :crying:, but what we do have is economic opportunities and prosperity. We have new home constructions and business development.

So, forgive us northeastern Mason-Dixon'ers if we don't see the '1000 years of darkness' foretold by our opponents.

JFrame
10-07-2012, 19:53
I empathize with anyone who may be living in a community that is struggling under economic pressures. Particularly, in areas where the economic hardships are made worse by poor leadership on a local/state level.

I live in a blue state. We have the honor of having the highest average median household income in the nation. We also have the largest share of millionaires per capita than any other state in the union.

We have crime. We have unemployment. We have no right to carry :crying:, but what we do have is economic opportunities and prosperity. We have new home constructions and business development.

So, forgive us northeastern Mason-Dixon'ers if we don't see the '1000 years of darkness' foretold by our opponents.


The one thing I do notice is that during morning rush hour, the traffic going into Virginia on the Wilson Bridge is deeper than the one leaving -- and the inverse is true in the evening.

I wish you Marylanders would keep your "booming economy" to yourselves... :whistling:


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jdavionic
10-07-2012, 20:04
Obama has a new plan for the next debate

http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Obama-2nd-Debate-Trick.jpg

G29Reload
10-07-2012, 20:12
Should we really apply 'conventional wisdom' in such an unconventional election? .

Yes, we should. He doesn't get a pass like he's managed in every other aspect of his life.

Its not that unconventional an election. It reminds me of 1980 when another failed dem president ran for reelection on a hideous record and failed.


extremely popular president;

You're delusional or drunk. One of the most hated. 2010 is gonna look like a picnic, troll.

an economy that can be described as 'lack-luster' (at worst);

Ronald Reagan solved twice as bad a recession in 2 years. The reason we've had a double dip of the worst kind is because bongo is making it worse.

sub-par GOP nominee.

His first act as nominee was choosing paul ryan. Next up was the debates which started last week. I was never the guys biggest fan but i think hes gonna surprise us.


It will be a difficult task. His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, but it is not indefensible.

Its the most pathetic on record.

Unless you think throwing our allies under the bus, an ambassador killed on sovereign American territory for the first time in more than 30 yrs, a dead Border Patrol agent murdered with a weapon provided by Obama's administration, and his justice dept protecting polling place thugs in Philadelphia is your idea of having your back, or pissing away 7 trillion dollars in debt, charged to the Bank Of China in our children's name is even remotely defensible.

ModGlock17
10-08-2012, 06:48
I talk to 60+ people a day, many of whom I know and many are guests. What I've been seeing is that educated (say HS diplomas and up) consistently point out Obama's record. For them, this record imprinted in stone that nothing can help defending it.

Yet, for another group, predominantly chocolate, never really get to complete HS, they ignore Obama's record completely. They don't see that he is using them while have nothing in common with them. I congratulate the leftists who recognized this untapped voting resource and are using it to the hilt. It's true that they never got the redistribution check openly, don't have healthcare of any kind, don't make enough to pay tax, never graduated from HS. It is also true that they see Obama as a hero, dare to rise among the whites. It is perception that matters, not reality.

Facts and records do matter to people who think. There's plenty out there who are myopic, who are cocaine numb between the ears from years of drugs. For a pack of cigarettes or an Andrew Jackson, they will vote Obama.

With all that in mind, the only thing I see matter in this campaign is funding. If BHO campaign is lead into the notion that they have to spend HUGE dollars in ads to keep up, then there would be less Jacksons to hand out early November.

series1811
10-08-2012, 06:53
Should we really apply 'conventional wisdom' in such an unconventional election? extremely popular president; an economy that can be described as 'lack-luster' (at worst); sub-par GOP nominee.

It will be a difficult task. His defense of his record is exceptionally weak, but it is not indefensible.

Trying to define Mitt Romney can be exhausting. Romney has the worst favorability ratings in modern memory. There are many issues to define.

I don't know what percent group I fall into. I served in the military. I've worked 30+ years. I've always earned a good living, but I've never owed/paid federal income taxes. Go figure.

I do know (and data supports (http://business.financialpost.com/2012/02/23/stocks-fare-better-under-democrats/)) my personal economics have always seem to fair better under democratic administrations.

What's unconventional about it? It's as conventional as you can get. You have an elected poltician who hasn't been able to do his job, or keep his promises, who has someone running against him who says he can do better.

You either believe he can (or at least can't do any worse) and vote for the challenger. Or you believe he is even a bigger loser than the incumbant (pretty hard to do with Obama as the incumbant).

It's Jimmy Carter redux, for Christ's sake. It isn't that hard.

Cavalry Doc
10-08-2012, 07:08
Your arguement seems a little irrational. "The most damaging president in the history of this country" is quite a subjective dishonor. I have a steady job. My job is hiring. My community is expanding. New business' are building. Wall Street is earning record breaking profits. My civil rights have not been violated.

I'm sorry if the place you live is stiffled in failed economics plans. That may be the result of poor leadership on a state/local level.

There's an old saying. When my neighbor is out of work, it's a recession, when I am out of work, it's a depression.

It is odd that you made a good living, but have never had an end of year federal tax liability. We may have different ideas about what a good living is, or the tax system needs an overhaul.

You are a veteran, have you looked around the world lately, things are moving into position to start some very interesting times. Barry has shown us what weakness, ineptitude and capitulation get us. Ask Ambassador Stevens' widow, she can explain it better than I can. So can Brian Terry's Parents, Michael Cahill's children, and many others.

countrygun
10-08-2012, 12:04
What's unconventional about it? It's as conventional as you can get. You have an elected poltician who hasn't been able to do his job, or keep his promises, who has someone running against him who says he can do better.

You either believe he can (or at least can't do any worse) and vote for the challenger. Or you believe he is even a bigger loser than the incumbant (pretty hard to do with Obama as the incumbant).

It's Jimmy Carter redux, for Christ's sake. It isn't that hard.

Oh but obviously it can't be the same because of the color of Obama's skin, that makes everything different because ........uhm........because.......because there is a different standard.

Trew2Life
10-08-2012, 16:14
Yes, we should. He doesn't get a pass like he's managed in every other aspect of his
life.

Right. Because ivy league Harvard is such a non-prestigious, inexpensive and mediocre school and their academia is just not up to par. Oh, but wait ... Didn't Mitt Romney graduate from Harvard?

Its not that unconventional an election. It reminds me of 1980 when another failed dem president ran for reelection on a hideous record and failed.

It's very unconventional. Jimmy Carter did not enjoy the same levels of approval and/or favorability ratings as does BHO. Jimmy Carters administration was not undermined by a do nothing House and Senate.

You're delusional or drunk. One of the most hated. 2010 is gonna look like a picnic,
troll.

Are you having problems with your Flux Capacitor? Do you need to generate 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to make it back to the future? It's not 2010. Get out of the past. The 2010 mid-terms were a referendum on ObamaCare. The SCOTUS negated that. The 2012 general election will be referendum on austerity and nothing can help Romney evade is 1% allegiances.

Ronald Reagan solved twice as bad a recession in 2 years. The reason we've had a double dip of the worst kind is because bongo is making it worse.

So, Reagan resolved a 'twice as bad a recession'. Well, I knew all the hype about this being the worst economic
crisis since the Great Depression was just more Right wing hysteria. The reason we have such a lack-luster recovery can be directly attributed to the do nothing, partisian Congress, as described above.

His first act as nominee was choosing paul ryan.

Big Mistake. The Paul/Ryan Budget is toxic to middle income America as well as the elderly.

Next up was the debates which started last week.

Advantage: Romney (but he's still down 2 sets to love). Other than upstaging BHO in the debate, what Romney has really done is to show 90 millions viewers how convincingly he can contradict himself.

I was never the guys biggest fan but i think hes gonna surprise us.

Who is Romney's biggest fans? The man has the worst favorability ratings in recent memory. Even among Republican voters. I appauld you for making lemon-aid out of a lemon.

Its the most
pathetic on record.

Unless you think throwing our allies under the bus, an ambassador killed on sovereign American territory for the
first time in more than 30 yrs, a dead Border Patrol agent murdered with a weapon provided by Obama's
administration, and his justice dept protecting polling place thugs in Philadelphia is your idea of having your
back, or pissing away 7 trillion dollars in debt, charged to the Bank Of China in our children's name is even remotely
defensible.

What's pathetic is to politicize those tragedies. What POTUS has NOT had a scandal or unfortunate and/or tragic
incident occur on his watch?

GWB: 9/11, WMD's, Haliburton
WJC: USS Cole, Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater
GHWB: Savings & Loan scandal, Iran-Contra affair (PT. 2)
RWR: Iran-Contra affair,HUD Grant scandal
JEC: Iran Hostage crisis
RMN: Watergate

What is also distasteful is your selective memory which seems to overlook/forgive Republican transgressions and mismanagement.

ModGlock17
10-08-2012, 16:48
Right. Because ivy league Harvard is such a non-prestigious, inexpensive and mediocre school and their academia is just not up to par. Oh, but wait ... Didn't Mitt Romney graduate from Harvard?



It's very unconventional. Jimmy Carter did not enjoy the same levels of approval and/or favorability ratings as does BHO. Jimmy Carters administration was not undermined by a do nothing House and Senate.



Are you having problems with your Flux Capacitor? Do you need to generate 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to make it back to the future? It's not 2010. Get out of the past. The 2010 mid-terms were a referendum on ObamaCare. The SCOTUS negated that. The 2012 general election will be referendum on austerity and nothing can help Romney evade is 1% allegiances.



So, Reagan resolved a 'twice as bad a recession'. Well, I knew all the hype about this being the worst economic
crisis since the Great Depression was just more Right wing hysteria. The reason we have such a lack-luster recovery can be directly attributed to the do nothing, partisian Congress, as described above.



Big Mistake. The Paul/Ryan Budget is toxic to middle income America as well as the elderly.



Advantage: Romney (but he's still down 2 sets to love). Other than upstaging BHO in the debate, what Romney has really done is to show 90 millions viewers how convincingly he can contradict himself.



Who is Romney's biggest fans? The man has the worst favorability ratings in recent memory. Even among Republican voters. I appauld you for making lemon-aid out of a lemon.



What's pathetic is to politicize those tragedies. What POTUS has NOT had a scandal or unfortunate and/or tragic
incident occur on his watch?

GWB: 9/11, WMD's, Haliburton
WJC: USS Cole, Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater
GHWB: Savings & Loan scandal, Iran-Contra affair (PT. 2)
RWR: Iran-Contra affair,HUD Grant scandal
JEC: Iran Hostage crisis
RMN: Watergate

What is also distasteful is your selective memory which seems to overlook/forgive Republican transgressions and mismanagement.


Talk about falling apart....

Trew2Life
10-08-2012, 17:17
I talk to 60+ people a day, many of whom I know and many are guests. What I've been seeing is that educated (say HS diplomas and up) consistently point out Obama's record. For them, this record imprinted in stone that nothing can help defending it.

Yet, for another group, predominantly chocolate, never really get to complete HS, they ignore Obama's record completely. They don't see that he is using them while have nothing in common with them. I congratulate the leftists who recognized this untapped voting resource and are using it to the hilt. It's true that they never got the redistribution check openly, don't have healthcare of any kind, don't make enough to pay tax, never graduated from HS. It is also true that they see Obama as a hero, dare to rise among the whites. It is perception that matters, not reality.

Facts and records do matter to people who think. There's plenty out there who are myopic, who are cocaine numb between the ears from years of drugs. For a pack of cigarettes or an Andrew Jackson, they will vote Obama.

With all that in mind, the only thing I see matter in this campaign is funding. If BHO campaign is lead into the notion that they have to spend HUGE dollars in ads to keep up, then there would be less Jacksons to hand out early November.

I think the highlighted text and the sentiment in your statement says it all. Stop dancing around the issue. BHO could have cured cancer while simultaneously creating a renewable energy source out of dead terrorists hair folicles and shredded Koran pages you still wouldn't approve of him because he's 'chocolate'. You will get just what you deserve with 4 more years.

There's an old saying. When my neighbor is out of work, it's a recession, when I am out of work, it's a depression.

It is odd that you made a good living, but have never had an end of year federal tax liability. We may have different ideas about what a good living is, or the tax system needs an overhaul.

You are a veteran, have you looked around the world lately, things are moving into position to start some very interesting times. Barry has shown us what weakness, ineptitude and capitulation get us. Ask Ambassador Stevens' widow, she can explain it better than I can. So can Brian Terry's Parents, Michael Cahill's children, and many others.

Maybe I just live within my means. Maybe you should find some tax deductions and charitable donations to lower your liability (ala Mitt Romney). Maybe you should judge Americans by the contributions they make to society as opposed to the contributions they do or do not make to the tax margin.

My idea of a 'good living' is being able to independently provide for all my family's needs; present and future. I will mention, again, that after 30+ years in the workforce, my family economics have faired considerable better under democratic administrations. That isn't just my opinion. The data confirms my experiences (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-22/stocks-return-more-with-dem-in-white-house-bgov-barometer.html).

You may continue to politicize the death/loss of Ambassadors, LEO's, and 'many others' but you do so at your own discredit.

Young Mitt Romney chose to protest IN FAVOR OF the Vietnam draft, but applied for and was approved several deferments from that war (so he didn't have to join the fight that so many men and women honorablly risked and gave their lives). That's worse than weakness. That's cowardly.

When Romney proclaims how he likes to fire people, disparages the 47%, refers to undocumented workers as 'illegals', insults our overseas allies (U.K., Israel), talks about trees being the right height and transports a dog on the roof of a car; that's worse than ineptitude. That's moronic.

When your major policy positions shifts and turns with the prevailing political wind, (as does Romneys on abortion, gun control, and health care) that's worse than capitulation. That's spineless.

Put it all together and that spells a Republican concession speech in the late hours of election night.

countrygun
10-08-2012, 17:25
Ah liberals,

"refers to undocumented workers as 'illegals', "


telling the truth sends shivers up their spines.


If a part of Obama's campaign appeal the first time was his education why have we still not seen what he actually did in college?

"I promise to cut the deficit in half in my first term"

cowboywannabe
10-08-2012, 17:25
I think the highlighted text and the sentiment in your statement says it all. Stop dancing around the issue. BHO could have cured cancer while simultaneously creating a renewable energy source out of dead terrorists hair folicles and shredded Koran pages you still wouldn't approve of him because he's 'chocolate'. You will get just what you deserve with 4 more years.



Maybe I just live within my means. Maybe you should find some tax deductions and charitable donations to lower your liability (ala Mitt Romney). Maybe you should judge Americans by the contributions they make to society as opposed to the contributions they do or do not make to the tax margin.

My idea of a 'good living' is being able to independently provide for all my family's needs; present and future. I will mention, again, that after 30+ years in the workforce, my family economics have faired considerable better under democratic administrations. That isn't just my opinion. The data confirms my experiences (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-22/stocks-return-more-with-dem-in-white-house-bgov-barometer.html).

You may continue to politicize the death/loss of Ambassadors, LEO's, and 'many others' but you do so at your own discredit.

Young Mitt Romney chose to protest IN FAVOR OF the Vietnam draft, but applied for and was approved several deferments from that war (so he didn't have to join the fight that so many men and women honorablly risked and gave their lives). That's worse than weakness. That's cowardly.

When Romney proclaims how he likes to fire people, disparages the 47%, refers to undocumented workers as 'illegals', insults our overseas allies (U.K., Israel), talks about trees being the right height and transports a dog on the roof of a car; that's worse than ineptitude. That's moronic.

When your major policy positions shifts and turns with the prevailing political wind, (as does Romneys on abortion, gun control, and health care) that's worse than capitulation. That's spineless.

Put it all together and that spells a Republican concession speech in the late hours of election night.

not so, obama is half white, 1/4 arab, 1/4 black. he is not black to those in the know, only to those who know not. most of obamas supporters where whites ashamed of being white.

countrygun
10-08-2012, 17:33
Let's see,

When he was Governor Mass managed to turn it's economy around.

Bain Capitol was a highly successful business

He turned a failing Olympics around.


Obama has,

Invested our money in failing business

Sent our money overseas to stimulate the economy in other Countries

instead of cutting the deficit as he promised, doubled it.


Yes I can see why Obama is so much more attractive......to liberals, socialists, and those who have a love affair with spending the tax money of working people.

G29Reload
10-08-2012, 17:40
Right. Because ivy league Harvard is such a non-prestigious, inexpensive and mediocre school and their academia is just not up to par. Oh, but wait ... Didn't Mitt Romney graduate from Harvard?

Mitt Romney never got a pass for anything and was too busy working and accomplishing things to ask for one. Speaking of Harvard, where are the transcripts? No one seems to remember your clown.



It's very unconventional. Jimmy Carter did not enjoy the same levels of approval and/or favorability ratings as does BHO. Jimmy Carters administration was not undermined by a do nothing House and Senate.

No one built a cult of personality around the moron Carter. And if he didn't have a "do nothing" Congress, then he should have come out much better, no?


Are you having problems with your Flux Capacitor? Do you need to generate 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to make it back to the future? It's not 2010. Get out of the past.

This from a guy who's candidate and party constantly whine "It's George Bush's Fault!" even though he hasn't been in office for 4 years. Spare me the pomposity.

It's not 2010. Get out of the past. The 2010 mid-terms were a referendum on ObamaCare. The SCOTUS negated that. The 2012 general election will be referendum on austerity and nothing can help Romney evade is 1% allegiances.

The SCOTUS negated nothing. They went outside the COTUS on a political ploy because J Roberts is a coward who resorted to legal handstands. The ruling was about as convoluted as the law.

And a majority of the country still want the law repealed, which the SCOTUS ruling cannot protect it from. In fact repealing it now that it's been deemed a tax just made it easier by lowering the voting threshold to do just that.


So, Reagan resolved a 'twice as bad a recession'. Well, I knew all the hype about this being the worst economic
crisis since the Great Depression was just more Right wing hysteria. The reason we have such a lack-luster recovery can be directly attributed to the do nothing, partisian Congress, as described above.

The Congress from 2008-2010 made it worse by helping Bongo rubber stamp his healthcare law which only served to terrorize business and present it with uncertainty that kept them from hiring.

The recession is bad because Bongo KEPT it that way. It could have EASILY been solved if he wanted to. Instead he's stopped a badly needed pipeline, kept Lisa Jackson on at EPA where she's got her jackboot on the throat of the coal industry and more thugs badgering oil production.


Big Mistake. The Paul/Ryan Budget is toxic to middle income America as well as the elderly.

No. Your distortions aside, following your clown's path will only lead us to complete insolvency which is toxic to all of us.


Advantage: Romney (but he's still down 2 sets to love). Other than upstaging BHO in the debate, what Romney has really done is to show 90 millions viewers how convincingly he can contradict himself.

No, its where your clown continued to parrot his lies. No wonder even NBC told him to stop using their footage in his commercials!


What's pathetic is to politicize those tragedies. What POTUS has NOT had a scandal or unfortunate and/or tragic
incident occur on his watch?

Its not politicizing them, it was allowing them to happen in the first place. Eric Holders letting the black panthers off the hook was a criminal disgrace and a willing one at that. Brian Terry was shot by a gun provided by Obama's government. That's not just a tragedy, its a criminally negligent, some would say malicious act,,considering they were deliberately trying to scare up anti gun rhetoric by creating a mess with weapons scattered willy-nilly, deliberately! You really are about as intellectually dishonest as they get, just like your leader.


GWB: 9/11, WMD's, Haliburton
WJC: USS Cole, Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater
GHWB: Savings & Loan scandal, Iran-Contra affair (PT. 2)
RWR: Iran-Contra affair,HUD Grant scandal
JEC: Iran Hostage crisis
RMN: Watergate

What is also distasteful is your selective memory which seems to overlook/forgive Republican transgressions and mismanagement.

[QUOTE=Trew2Life;19497914]

Are you having problems with your Flux Capacitor? Do you need to generate 1.21 gigawatts of electricity to make it back to the future? :upeyes:

:rofl:

Trew2Life
10-08-2012, 20:06
not so, obama is half white, 1/4 arab, 1/4 black. he is not black to those in the know, only to those who know not. most of obamas supporters where whites ashamed of being white.

When BHO jacks you out of you car; steals your wallet and jewelry, and pistol whips you senseless - how are you going to describe your attacker to the police?

6 foot 4, 190 lbs, big ears, part white, black and arab male.

I doubt that, seriously.

countrygun
10-08-2012, 20:08
When BHO jacks you out of you car; steals your wallet and jewelry, and pistol whips you senseless - how are you going to describe your attacker to the police?

6 foot 4, 190 lbs, big ears, part white, black and arab male.

I doubt that, seriously.

That would be BHO's most successful business venture to date!

Trew2Life
10-08-2012, 20:12
Let's see,
When he was Governor Mass managed to turn it's economy around.

When Gov Romney left office in MA, he took with him 38,000 manufacturing jobs and left the state ranked 47th in the nation in job creation.

Bain Capital was a highly successful business.

Bain Capitol has a highly successful business model of generating optimum profits for it's shareholder(s), but not so good for the thousands of laborers, families and communities that were devastated by the loss. I.E., the number of mom & pop stationary stores that went out of business with the advent of Staples. True, it's a dog-eat-dog world, but that's a CEO's mantra, not a U.S. Presidents'. Are we really better off now that there's a WalMart in every town across this country? Or, were we better with the local grocery/farmer who you knew by name and knew you?

He turned a failing Olympics around.

Romney, who promises to cut federal spending, fails to mention the 600 million he asked for in federal support for the 2002 Olympic Games. I guess he DIDN'T build that.

Yes I can see why Obama is so much more attractive ...to liberals, socialists, and those who have a love affair with spending the tax money of working people.

Yes. I too can see why Romney is so much more attractive to right-wingers. When the wealthy take advantage of tax loopholes and off-shore banking it's called a 'good business decision'. When the poor and elderly take advantage of food subsidies and healthcare it's called a 'entitlement'.

countrygun
10-08-2012, 20:23
When Gov Romney left office in MA, he took with him 38,000 manufacturing jobs and left the state ranked 47th in the nation in job creation.

How was the State budget? and given the size of the State it isn't exactly Texas in growth opportunity



Bain Capitol has a highly successful business model of generating optimum profits for it's shareholder(s), but not so good for the thousands of laborers, families and communities that were devastated by the loss. I.E., the number of mom & pop stationary stores that went out of business with the advent of Staples. True, it's a dog-eat-dog world, but that's a CEO's mantra, not a U.S. Presidents'. Are we really better off now that there's a WalMart in every town across this country? Or, were we better with the local grocery/farmer who you knew by name and knew you?

Do you relly want to ask about rolling history back to make a particular group happy?



Romney, who promises to cut federal spending, fails to mention the 600 million he asked for in federal support for the 2002 Olympic Games. I guess he DIDN'T build that.

Show me an Olympics that hasn't taken Federal funds.



Yes. I too can see why Romney is so much more attractive to right-wingers. When the wealthy take advantage of tax loopholes and off-shore banking it's called a 'good business decision'. When the poor and elderly take advantage of food subsidies and healthcare it's called a 'entitlement'.


Having a choice between someone who makes good business decision and someone who doesn't well I like Romney's record better than Obama's

Trew2Life
10-08-2012, 20:51
Much of your reply is more of the same ... personal attacks/dislikes of BHO ... to which you are entitled, but are not based on reality/data. Let me address just the basics .....

Mitt Romney never got a pass for anything and was too busy working and accomplishing things to ask for one. Speaking of Harvard, where are the transcripts? No one seems to remember your clown.

How about the 'pass' Romney got for NOT going to the Vietnam War (that he protested IN FAVOR OF)? You're regurgitating widely debunked nonsense.

No one built a cult of personality around the moron Carter. And if he didn't have a "do nothing" Congress, then he should have come out much better, no?

No. The last year of Carters administration was severely damaged by the 444 day seize of the American Embassy in Tehran (a.k.a., The Iran Hostage crisis)

This from a guy who's candidate and party constantly whine "It's George Bush's Fault!" even though he hasn't been in office for 4 years. Spare me the pomposity.

Spare me the 'fundamental change' of American liberty and exceptionalism. If you truely want to examine a fundamental change then you have to examine the present as it relates to the past. For example: If my last chef destroyed my fabolous kitchen; burned all the pots and pans, destroyed the cooking utensils and left the cubbards bare, how can I expect my new chef to prepare an elegant five star meal in those conditions. It's relevant.

The SCOTUS negated nothing. They went outside the COTUS on a political ploy because J Roberts is a coward who resorted to legal handstands. The ruling was about as convoluted as the law.

'The poll numbers are manipulated', 'The jobs report is fake', now it's Chief Justice Roberts. Read the GT signature at the bottom of this post.

And a majority of the country still want the law repealed, which the SCOTUS ruling cannot protect it from. In fact repealing it now that it's been deemed a tax just made it easier by lowering the voting threshold to do just that.

When you present the Affordable Health Care Act to the people as separate and independent ideas it is very favorable. Only when you label it as ObamaCare do some people reject it. Remember, government mandates/univeral healthcare originated as a Republican idea within the Heritage Foundation (a right-wing republican think tank).

JFrame
10-08-2012, 21:03
No. The last year of Carters administration was severely damaged by the 444 day seize of the American Embassy in Tehran (a.k.a., The Iran Hostage crisis)

A crisis that Carter facilitated by helping to usher out the Shah and welcoming in an insane "holy man"...

Spare me the 'fundamental change' of American liberty and exceptionalism. If you truely want to examine a fundamental change then you have to examine the present as it relates to the past. For example: If my last chef destroyed my fabolous kitchen; burned all the pots and pans, destroyed the cooking utensils and left the cubbards bare, how can I expect my new chef to prepare an elegant five star meal in those conditions. It's relevant.A pretty lame analogy -- but just to play off of it, Obama only worsened matters by serving feces instead of food.

When you present the Affordable Health Care Act to the people as separate and independent ideas it is very favorable. Only when you label it as ObamaCare do some people reject it. Remember, government mandates/univeral healthcare originated as a Republican idea within the Heritage Foundation (a right-wing republican think tank).No -- people reject it when you couch it as what it actually is -- a federal takeover of 1/6th of the U.S. economy, to be administered by the IRS, and placing the IRS as an intermediary between the patient and the doctor.


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JFrame
10-08-2012, 21:04
That would be BHO's most successful business venture to date!

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Trew2Life
10-08-2012, 21:14
How was the State budget? and given the size of the State it isn't exactly Texas in growth opportunity.

What is that? Right-Wing rationalization?! How IS the budget when you're third from the bottom in job creation. Put it in perspective: "Honey. I'm getting fired tomorrow. By the way, I balanced our check book."

Show me an Olympics that hasn't taken Federal funds.

More rationalization? The olympics are a highly profitable venue. Just ask Nike, Pepsi, Visa. If PBS and Big Bird can make it on it's own, why not the multi-billion dollar olympic games? Oh, because you need infrastructure and security to have a successful event and that's the governments job. I guess YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT after all.

GAFinch
10-08-2012, 21:25
When Gov Romney left office in MA, he took with him 38,000 manufacturing jobs and left the state ranked 47th in the nation in job creation.

It ranked poorly in job creation because unemployment was already around 5% and couldn't get any lower. There's a bottom limit on unemployment because of physically and mentally disabled people and others who are just unwilling to work.

Trew2Life
10-08-2012, 21:27
A crisis that Carter facilitated by helping to usher out the Shah and welcoming in an insane "holy man"... .

Bush did the same for Saddam in Iraq ... You're point is ???

A pretty lame analogy -- but just to play off of it, Obama only worsened matters by serving feces instead of food.

Hot feces, with chunky bits of corn. Delivered fresh from the right-wing manure machines. The good stuff!

No -- people reject it when you couch it as what it actually is -- a federal takeover of 1/6th of the U.S. economy, to be administered by the IRS, and placing the IRS as an intermediary between the patient and the doctor..

'Health Care comprises 1/6th of the U.S. economy'. The only accurate statistic you mentioned.

Trew2Life
10-08-2012, 21:30
It ranked poorly in job creation because unemployment was already around 5% and couldn't get any lower. There's a bottom limit on unemployment because of physically and mentally disabled people and others who are just unwilling to work.

No offense to any MA residents in the house, but to be ranked 47/50 you must have a lot of handicap retards in the workforce.

G29Reload
10-08-2012, 21:30
A crisis that Carter facilitated by helping to usher out the Shah and welcoming in an insane "holy man"...

A pretty lame analogy -- but just to play off of it, Obama only worsened matters by serving feces instead of food.

No -- people reject it when you couch it as what it actually is -- a federal takeover of 1/6th of the U.S. economy, to be administered by the IRS, and placing the IRS as an intermediary between the patient and the doctor.


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good job jframe, i'm tiring of responding to this intellectually dishonest subject changing butthole.

JFrame
10-08-2012, 21:31
Bush did the same for Saddam in Iraq ... You're point is ???

That Carter contributed heavily to his own undoing. What was your point?

Hot feces, with chunky bits of corn. Delivered fresh from the right-wing manure machines. The good stuff!Okay -- I guess you gotta be an Obama lover to savor that crap... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/grin.gif

'Health Care comprises 1/6th of the U.S. economy'. The only accurate statistic you mentioned.Uh -- that was the only statistic I mentioned...The other comments were on process.


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JFrame
10-08-2012, 21:32
good job jframe, i'm tiring of responding to this intellectually dishonest subject changing butthole.


I hear ya, man... :whistling:


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JFrame
10-08-2012, 21:34
It ranked poorly in job creation because unemployment was already around 5% and couldn't get any lower. There's a bottom limit on unemployment because of physically and mentally disabled people and others who are just unwilling to work.

Indeed...Also, according to the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, "Massachusetts emerged more slowly from that recession because its pre-recession numbers were disproportionally inflated by the technology bubble. A lot of those tech jobs never came back."


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G29Reload
10-08-2012, 21:45
How about the 'pass' Romney got for NOT going to the Vietnam War (that he protested IN FAVOR OF)? You're regurgitating widely debunked nonsense.

How about not changing the subject, one of the surest signs of losing an argument?

If its widely debunked, where are they? The transcripts?



No. The last year of Carters administration was severely damaged by the 444 day seize of the American Embassy in Tehran (a.k.a., The Iran Hostage crisis)


Ah yes, more dem incompetence. The whole administration was damaged, Not a single good thing came out of the carter years.
As now, not a single good thing has come out of the obama years.




Spare me the 'fundamental change' of American liberty and exceptionalism. If you truely want to examine a fundamental change then you have to examine the present as it relates to the past. For example: If my last chef destroyed my fabolous kitchen; burned all the pots and pans, destroyed the cooking utensils and left the cubbards bare, how can I expect my new chef to prepare an elegant five star meal in those conditions. It's relevant.



Sounds like a great excuse.

Too bad your excuse is completely flawed analogy.

First off, the fundamental change was promised by your candidate. You only want fundamental change if you don't like your country to begin with. I have no doubt your scumbag hates this country. It is anathema to him, and its also apparent he hates romney, who actually made it in this country.

The first 6 years of Bush were actually pretty good till your toadies reid and pelosi took over congress.

The financial crisis was a one dimensional breakdown that concerted effort could have remediated with about 18 months. Instead, Boy Zero decided to forget about it and change the subject to something no one wanted. the terror it produced in uncertainty for business only elongated the agony.



When you present the Affordable Health Care Act to the people as separate and independent ideas it is very favorable. Only when you label it as ObamaCare do some people reject it. Remember, government mandates/univeral healthcare originated as a Republican idea within the Heritage Foundation (a right-wing republican think tank).

Its a socialist take over of 1/6th of the economy and its wrong no matter who proposed it.

countrygun
10-08-2012, 21:45
No offense to any MA residents in the house, but to be ranked 47/50 you must have a lot of handicap retards in the workforce.


Now folks here is the intellectual development of liberals at it's best.

As long as we have 50 States, there will always be a State ranked 47th. so, no matter what, that State will be full of handicap retards.

and of course it will never be his State because he is an elitist who judges others value, after all HE is a "liberal"

Trew2Life
10-08-2012, 22:23
JFrame: Correction.
'Health Care comprises 1/6th of the U.S. economy'. The only accurate comment in your closing statement.

G29Reload, and others:
Name calling, much like ear biting, is a sure sign of a frustrated and defeated opponent. Grow up.

"Mitt Romney never got a pass for anything and was too busy working and accomplishing things to ask for one." Your words ... Not mine. Questioning and equating his draft deferment as a 'pass' is quite relevant.

You want to see Obama college transcripts and I want to see more Romney tax returns. Good luck to both of us.

Obama promised a fundamental change/transparency in the way Washington does business. You guys talk about a fundamental change in personal liberties and American exceptionalism. In all fairness, I can see neither.

TO ALL: It's after mid-night EST and I must go to work in the A.M. Good night.

G29Reload
10-08-2012, 22:59
I want to see more Romney tax returns.

Why? So you can nitpick him to death with your class envy?

If there was a legit reason, it would make sense.

He's released as many tax returns as Ronald Reagan, which is also to say TWICE as many as Jimmy Carter.

He's a highly visible candidate for public office. He's been involved with large corps extensively. All of this means he's been audited extensively, many times. If there had been something illegal, it would have come out by now.

The truth is, there's nothing wrong with any of his taxes, and its none of your business. The sole reason for the demand is to harrass them if he doesn't provide more, and if he does, to dwell on immaterial trivialities in order to further distract from your own failed president. More changing the subject, as it were. He's clean as a whistle, and you know it.

Besides, if he put 5 years out, you'd ask for 10. If he put out 10, youd' ask for 20.

Cite something wrong with the 2 he's put out, or STFU. You're not gettin away with distracting from obama's record this time. The tax thing is OVER.

As for your clowns college transcripts, we haven't seen one.

Not one.

JFrame
10-09-2012, 04:58
JFrame: Correction.
'Health Care comprises 1/6th of the U.S. economy'. The only accurate comment in your closing statement.


Yeah -- because you say it, it must be so. :upeyes:

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gao-irs-spend-881-million-implementing-obamacare-over-just-four-years

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-admin-diverting-500-million-to-the-irs-for-obamacare/

http://www.fxstreet.com/fundamental/analysis-reports/outside-the-box2/2010/11/09/


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kirgi08
10-09-2012, 10:00
D behave. :shame: :rofl:

Didn't Mitt post his tax returns and the outcry was "why" would anyone pay more taxes than required.Mitt gave more ta charities than was the average.Heaven forbid.T2Life,I give my income tax return/s ta charity.

I don't want/need that money,Uncle Sugar,I have no need of it.While you seem ta enjoy the fact that the "entitlement" folk are bankrupting this nation,state by state.Kali now and god knows how many states down the line.

You sir are delusional in the support youse seems ta be providing.I'm not a Romney supporter,I however do not want my child losing my legacy ta repair this nation.'08.

Trew2Life
10-09-2012, 15:35
You guys/gals/whatever are amazing. You think you have a shining white knight on a magnificant steed to champion the cause of the Right. You believe in the 'flip-flopping', 'draft-dodging', 'tax evading' Romney just as compassionately and whole-heartedly as the Left does for their support of the 'socialist', 'apologetic', 'appeaser' Obama. When in actuality, both sides have their heads so far up their candidates rectum that unless the truth is colon related - neither side can see it.

If the wealthy take advantage of tax breaks and off-shore banking, they're called 'good businessmen'. If the poor take advantage of food and healthcare subsidies, they're called 'free loaders'. Go figure.

I'm sorry if you folks are living in a economically depleted community and its making your life a nightmare. Perhaps your situation has more to do with poor leadership at the local/state government level.

I live in a Republican county inside of a Democratic state. We have job growth and opportunity and prosperity. We have the highest average median household income in the nation and the largest percentage of millionaires, per capita. Life is good for me in Maryland. Maybe, if you guys started voting with your conscience instead of your guns you'd see a vast improvement in your living conditions.

Or maybe not. One thing is for sure. You've got your story and I've got my story and history will detail the truth ...

The economy does better under democratic leadership (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-22/stocks-return-more-with-dem-in-white-house-bgov-barometer.html).

countrygun
10-09-2012, 15:55
You guys/gals/whatever are amazing. You think you have a shining white knight on a magnificant steed to champion the cause of the Right. You believe in the 'flip-flopping', 'draft-dodging', 'tax evading' Romney just as compassionately and whole-heartedly as the Left does for their support of the 'socialist', 'apologetic', 'appeaser' Obama. When in actuality, both sides have their heads so far up their candidates rectum that unless the truth is colon related - neither side can see it.

If the wealthy take advantage of tax breaks and off-shore banking, they're called 'good businessmen'. If the poor take advantage of food and healthcare subsidies, they're called 'free loaders'. Go figure.

I'm sorry if you folks are living in a economically depleted community and its making your life a nightmare. Perhaps your situation has more to do with poor leadership at the local/state government level.

I live in a Republican county inside of a Democratic state. We have job growth and opportunity and prosperity. We have the highest average median household income in the nation and the largest percentage of millionaires, per capita. Life is good for me in Maryland. Maybe, if you guys started voting with your conscience instead of your guns you'd see a vast improvement in your living conditions.

Or maybe not. One thing is for sure. You've got your story and I've got my story and history will detail the truth ...

The economy does better under democratic leadership (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-22/stocks-return-more-with-dem-in-white-house-bgov-barometer.html).

You are amazing in your attempt to paint Republicans as being "fanboys" like you liberals who voted for "hope and Change". I do not think you really believe Republicans swoon over Romney they way Democrats have over Obama. It just isn't happening. It is a pragmatic decision. If you continue to spew bilge about a "shining white knight" then it must be concluded you are either delusional or disengenuous. In short, crazy or a liar.

JFrame
10-09-2012, 16:22
You are amazing in your attempt to paint Republicans as being "fanboys" like you liberals who voted for "hope and Change". I do not think you really believe Republicans swoon over Romney they way Democrats have over Obama. It just isn't happening. It is a pragmatic decision. If you continue to spew bilge about a "shining white knight" then it must be concluded you are either delusional or disengenuous. In short, crazy or a liar.

Country -- I appreciate you answering for me. Since there was not a single rational or reasoned thought in that person's "response," I really didn't care to waste the springs on my keyboard typing a reply. Thank you, Sir! :beer:


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countrygun
10-09-2012, 16:30
Country -- I appreciate you answering for me. Since there was not a single rational or reasoned thought in that person's "response," I really didn't care to waste the springs on my keyboard typing a reply. Thank you, Sir! :beer:


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Just making the obvious clear, to spite the ones that want to cover it in a smokescreen of burning BS

:wavey:

Goaltender66
10-09-2012, 16:36
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11415107/3/the-richest-counties-in-america.html

Top five richest counties in America:

#5, Arlington County, VA

#4 Hunterdon County, NJ

#3 Howard County, MD

#2. Fairfax County, VA

#1. Loudoun County, VA

Trew2Life
10-09-2012, 18:12
:dancing: Yea!!! Maryland!!! :dancing:

Footnote:
•The three counties in VA are all within 60 minutes of my town. I guess we share the wealth.
•Despite current leadership, VA is another mostly Democratic state.

countrygun
10-09-2012, 18:17
:dancing: Yea!!! Maryland!!! :dancing:


Somebody has to be rich enough to carry the weight for non-taxpayers

Trew2Life
10-09-2012, 18:38
Somebody has to be rich enough to carry the weight for non-taxpayers

• Number of tax returns in 2010 that had no income tax liability = 53 million (http://www.statisticbrain.com/how-many-people-cheat-on-taxes/)

• Income level at which a typical family of four will owe no income taxes = $50,250.00 (http://www.statisticbrain.com/how-many-people-cheat-on-taxes/)

• Maryland median household income 2011 = $70,000 (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24000.html)

:cheerleader: Thank you Democratic administrators!

JFrame
10-09-2012, 18:43
• Number of tax returns in 2010 that had no income tax liability = 53 million (http://www.statisticbrain.com/how-many-people-cheat-on-taxes/)

• Income level at which a typical family of four will owe no income taxes = $50,250.00 (http://www.statisticbrain.com/how-many-people-cheat-on-taxes/)

• Maryland median household income 2011 = $70,000 (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/24000.html)

:cheerleader: Thank you Democratic administrators!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I think you should be thanking an Old Dominion with a low corporate tax rate, where all the Marylanders (judging by license plates) come flooding in for employment... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/grin.gif


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Trew2Life
10-09-2012, 18:53
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I think you should be thanking an Old Dominion with a low corporate tax rate, where all the Marylanders (judging by license plates) come flooding in for employment... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/grin.gif
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But really, all that says is there are plenty of opportunities in the DMV (D.C. Maryland, Virginia area)

I could say the same thing about all the WVA and PA license plates I see in my jobs parking lot and despite PA having no sales tax on food and/or clothing, I see plenty of their vehicles at the mall and outlets here in Maryland.

The only bad thing about MD ... NO RIGHT TO CARRY. It's not 'okay', but hey ... I vote with my conscience. Not my gun.

Goaltender66
10-09-2012, 18:54
:dancing: Yea!!! Maryland!!! :dancing:

Footnote:
•The three counties in VA are all within 60 minutes of my town. I guess we share the wealth.
•Despite current leadership, VA is another mostly Democratic state.

Um...the majority of Maryland is "within 60 minutes" of at least one of those three counties. :upeyes:

And Loudoun County's median household income smokes that of Howard County, btw.

Lastly, Republicans control the House of Delegates through a majority and there is a partisan tie in the Virginia Senate. McDonnell won election by a very convincing margin. How, exactly, do you calculate that Virginia is "mostly Democratic?"

Goaltender66
10-09-2012, 19:01
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/06/us/politics/maryland-and-virginia-governors-rising-in-their-parties.html

Much of that difference has to do with taxes. Mr. McDonnell, elected in 2009 and limited by law to one term, takes pride in his efforts to burnish Virginia’s reputation as a low-tax, business-friendly state. Sales tax is 5 percent in Virginia and 6 percent in Maryland. Top-bracket income-tax payers pay 5.75 percent in Virginia while those in Maryland pay 9 percent. Virginia’s corporate tax rate is 6 percent and Maryland’s is 8.25 percent. Virginia’s unemployment rate is 5.9 percent, compared with 7.1 percent in Maryland — both lower than the national average.

Actually, I should take all of this back. I want you to truly believe economic conditions are better in Maryland. That way you stay there instead of polluting my state with your socialism. :)

Trew2Life
10-09-2012, 19:06
Um...the majority of Maryland is "within 60 minutes" of at least one of those three counties. :upeyes:

And Loudoun County's median household income smokes that of Howard County, btw.

Lastly, Republicans control the House of Delegates through a majority and there is a partisan tie in the Virginia Senate. McDonnell won election by a very convincing margin. How, exactly, do you calculate that Virginia is "mostly Democratic?"

Correction: Should have said 'swing' state.

From the post-Civil War Reconstruction period through 1948, Virginians almost always sided with the Democrats in elections. However, from 1952 through 2004, Virginia was reliably Republican (except for the landslide of Lyndon Johnson over Barry Goldwater in 1964). What changed? In the early 1950s, Virginia politics was controlled by Democratic Senator Harry F. Byrd, Sr., and his political machine. For the 1952 cycle, Byrd announced he would not be endorsing a candidate, saying “Silence is golden.” People knew this meant that it would be okay to vote for the Republican Dwight Eisenhower. 2008 saw a change, as changing demographics put the state in play and it was won by Barack Obama, 53% to 46% over John McCain. Virginia may be a swing state to watch in 2012.

source: http://www.270towin.com/states/Virginia

Trew2Life
10-09-2012, 19:11
Actually, I should take all of this back. I want you to truly believe economic conditions are better in Maryland. That way you stay there instead of polluting my state with your socialism. :)

Don't worry. I'd move west before I moved any further south. Did I imply that MD was doing better than VA? I applaud VA for their economic prosperity.

G29Reload
10-10-2012, 02:14
Lastly, Republicans control the House of Delegates through a majority and there is a partisan tie in the Virginia Senate. McDonnell won election by a very convincing margin. How, exactly, do you calculate that Virginia is "mostly Democratic?"

Obamao won VA in 08' by 50,000 votes.

So only have that, 25,000…need to flip. Back to their senses.

Its basically a red state that had a convulsion after someone slipped it a date-rape drug. I think reality has worn it off.

G29Reload
10-10-2012, 02:17
I applaud VA for their economic prosperity.

It's done that by being majority red state and opposite of the commie left that run your POS. I'm a former Md'r, I know.

We have lower taxes, we're a right to work state. Unions don't rule the roost here.

G29Reload
10-10-2012, 02:20
Somebody has to be rich enough to carry the weight for non-taxpayers

Rush Limbaugh had it right.

Raise (initiate!) taxes on the poor.

No other group has taken more, and given less.