Paranormal Experiences

[JW1178]

I'm not really a believer in ghosts but I will have to say, going jogging on a civil war battlefield, weird **** happens.

I do believe that sometimes strong feelings and emotions from an event long ago can cause an energy signature that can be picked up, but actual spirits that interact with us, I don't really know.

[Lone_Wolfe]

:popcorn:

[HollowHead]

I got a very similar feeling walking Dog Green, Omaha Beach at low tide. HH

[Hamilton Burger]

http://www.extremesenses.com/software/whatisit.htm

[aplcr0331]

Energy Signature? What's that?

[md2lgyk]

I don't believe or disbelieve in ghosts - anything in this world is possible. All I know is that I've never seen one.

That said, my daughter insists her house has a ghost. It's over 100 years old, and when she and her husband bought it, there were several tombstones lying around in the back yard. She did some research and found that one of them was engraved with the name of a child whose family was the house's original owner. Both she and her husband, as well as their kids, claim to occasionally see "Mary" moving around.

Even stranger, when they were touring the house with the Realtor years ago, their oldest child was about 5. She came down from the upstairs and told my daughter that ". . . the little girl upstairs told me that we should buy this house."

[Dennis in MA]

Energy Signature? What's that?

Something from a movie. Lol

Ghosts talk to me through the static on my old TV. I can prove it. Watch Poltergeist and White Noise.

[Dinky]

I have a female that will say hello to me when I am walking into my carport and sometimes out near the clothsline. No one is around when this happens and it happens at different times. I always answer back but she never responds, other than the hello...

Her voice is a soft wisper and right next to my ear...

[Dinky]

:popcorn:




:hugs: :hearts: :kiss:

[MrsKitty]

My husband's best friend lives on an old farm that is haunted. They call her "she who roams these hills" or something like that. I have gotten to see her just once. I've decided if I ever see her again, I am going to ask her what she is watching for and if there is anything we can do to help her find peace...

[bpe5008]

I don't know what I believe. I hope to have an "expierience" but haven't so far in my life. I have a friend who is a park ranger in gettysburg and gets to live in a house that sits on a spot where a first day battle was fought and he says ghosts are hogwash. He has never once seen anything he couldent explain and thinks the ghost tour people are robbing people of money. I've stayed there as well and didn't see a thing. It is kinda surreal sitting in a spot where thousands died, and drinking a beer with friends though.

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[Kingarthurhk]

I know this theme becomes popular this time of year. But, there are no such things as ghosts. There are fallen angels that impersonate ghosts. I have had my fair share of encounters with them. But, they flee in the name of Jesus every time.

If you are interested in a brief study on the state of the dead, I recommend this link:

http://www.amazingfacts.org/free-stuff/bible-studies/study-guides/ctl/viewmedia/mid/453/iid/2-10/lng/en/sc/r.aspx?7=are-the-dead-really-dead?

[Louisville Glocker]

I'm a scientist. Sorry, there is no such thing as ghosts. My 4 year old believes in them, but my 9 year old has figured out that it is make-believe.

Likewise, no such thing as angels, faeries (like the tooth fairy), santa claus, the easter bunny, the devil, etc.

All that stuff is cool, and some great story telling was involved, but really folks, it isn't true!!!

[Louisville Glocker]

You've got to love the person who says there is no such thing as ghosts, but there are fallen angels who pretend to be ghosts.

Why believe in one fairy tale if you don't believe in the other?

[Kingarthurhk]

You've got to love the person who says there is no such thing as ghosts, but there are fallen angels who pretend to be ghosts.

Why believe in one fairy tale if you don't believe in the other?

First hand experience.

[Rabbi]

First hand experience.

...and what of the people who dont share your faith but make the same claim?

[Just_plinking]

I know this theme becomes popular this time of year. But, there are no such things as ghosts. There are fallen angels that impersonate ghosts. I have had my fair share of encounters with them. But, they flee in the name of Jesus every time.

If you are interested in a brief study on the state of the dead, I recommend this link:

http://www.amazingfacts.org/free-stuff/bible-studies/study-guides/ctl/viewmedia/mid/453/iid/2-10/lng/en/sc/r.aspx?7=are-the-dead-really-dead?

I hate to get religious, but I agree. I have no business with "ghosts". Don't go looking for them, and you won't find 'em. I don't go looking because as I said, I don't believe in them, but I do believe the great deceiver, and I don't wish to fool with the likes of him or his minions.

[frank4570]

Ghosts is demons trying to get into your soul.

[Just_plinking]

I'm a scientist. Sorry, there is no such thing as ghosts. My 4 year old believes in them, but my 9 year old has figured out that it is make-believe.

Likewise, no such thing as angels, faeries (like the tooth fairy), santa claus, the easter bunny, the devil, etc.

All that stuff is cool, and some great story telling was involved, but really folks, it isn't true!!!

Sorry, but invoking science doesn't substantiate you claim. History is chock full of scientists who believe in the supernatural, despite contemporary convention.

Science is the study of the natural world, nothing more or less.

[engineer151515]

You guys can believe what you want.

I lived in a house for 16 years that was paranormal "hot". Everything from visuals to voices to shadows to moved objects. Young kids seem to pick up the most. These are children that know no history of the house which ask who is the stranger in the laundry room. Our children saw them. Sometimes they said something. When one particularly nasty spirit showed up, I learned fifteen years later in that my daughter saw it too and dared not mention it. Let's just say, it was something you just hoped would just pass and not focus it's attention on you. Over the years the place seems to act as some sort of travel point. The house is hot to this day.

[Kingarthurhk]

...and what of the people who dont share your faith but make the same claim?

I am not sure what you are asking?

[arclight610]

Me and the wife walk the local cemetery every night for about an hour. Haven't seen anything yet. I don't think I've ever seen a ghost. I have however had weird experiences from too much caffeine causing an overactive brain at night.

For those that live in "haunted" areas and claim to see stuff... why do you live there? Isn't it a bit discomforting living with a supernatural being that cannot be explained nor that you know the capabilities of?

[Rabbi]

I am not sure what you are asking?

Every culture, around the world, even long before your faith existed, has stories of the supernatural.

So, why are your stories true? (and of course it is based on your very specific faith) Why are their stories not true?

[Kingarthurhk]

You guys can believe what you want.

I lived in a house for 16 years that was paranormal "hot". Everything from visuals to voices to shadows to moved objects. Young kids seem to pick up the most. These are children that know no history of the house which ask who is the stranger in the laundry room. Our children saw them. Sometimes they said something. When one particularly nasty spirit showed up, I learned fifteen years later in that my daughter saw it too and dared not mention it. Let's just say, it was something you just hoped would just pass and not focus it's attention on you. Over the years the place seems to act as some sort of travel point. The house is hot to this day.

I understand that. Apartments are the worst for that sort of thing. I remember when I was in Laredo, I had a small one bedroom apartment that was relatively new. Never had a problem there. Then, my fiancee was going to move down from NE, (we are married and have been so for about 13 years now), so we could get married. I knew I needed a bigger place.

I am pretty sensitive to this sort of thing, always have been. I guess that has been my gift, discerning spirits. When I toured the older apartment, nothing on the radar.

The day I moved in was completely different. A demonic entity wanting to take the form of a woman was at the top of the stairwell glaring at me.

I knew I would have to begin the process of taking over the place. This thing didn't want to go, so it was a process of prayer and persistance.

Eventually, I had cleansed the whole of the apartment, though I failed to enter one room. The room my fiancee was going to stay in until we were married and made it right.

I was in the Border Patrol working all kinds of shift work. My fiancee moved in and she took the spare room.

I got a call on the later part of a swing shift. She was begging me to come home. I told her, I was in the fiield, and that just wasn't an option.

She told me there was a creepy woman walking up and down the stairs calling her by name.

I had never told her about my experiences in the apartment. I had also never talked with her about the ability God had given me. It isn't widely discussed even in Christian cirlces, because it makes people uncomfortable. I was in the process of marrying this woman, I certainly didn't wan to drive her away.

But, there are times like this you have to have a frank conversation.

[Kingarthurhk]

Every culture, around the world, even long before your faith existed, has stories of the supernatural.

So, why are your stories true? (and of course it is based on your very specific faith) Why are their stories not true?

My roots come from your roots. I am merely part of a grafted in vine. If any Christian says that their faith could have existed without Judaism, they are fooling themselves. Christianity was a reform movement of Judaism.

We share some of the same bible. We know that first lie comes from Genesis:

Genesis 3:4, ""You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

Here we have Lucifer taking the form of a serpent.

[Rabbi]

My roots come from your roots. I am merely part of a grafted in vine. If any Christian says that their faith could have existed without Judaism, they are fooling themselves. Christianity was a reform movement of Judaism.

We share some of the same bible. We know that first lie comes from Genesis:

Genesis 3:4, ""You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

Here we have Lucifer taking the form of a serpent.

That has nothing to do with what I asked.

There are a lot of other faiths besides Christianity and Judaism. They have stories of the supernatural as well. What makes yours true and theirs false?

[ilgunguygt]

I'm a scientist. Sorry, there is no such thing as ghosts. My 4 year old believes in them, but my 9 year old has figured out that it is make-believe.

Likewise, no such thing as angels, faeries (like the tooth fairy), santa claus, the easter bunny, the devil, etc.

All that stuff is cool, and some great story telling was involved, but really folks, it isn't true!!!
well that ends the debate. Ladies and Gentlemen we have a SCIENTIST here! He plainly knows it all about spirituality, religion, etc., don't question him, he is a scientist!:upeyes:

You don't know everything, and a post like you just made proves it.

[HollowHead]

You guys can believe what you want.

I lived in a house for 16 years that was paranormal "hot". Everything from visuals to voices to shadows to moved objects. Young kids seem to pick up the most. These are children that know no history of the house which ask who is the stranger in the laundry room. Our children saw them. Sometimes they said something. When one particularly nasty spirit showed up, I learned fifteen years later in that my daughter saw it too and dared not mention it. Let's just say, it was something you just hoped would just pass and not focus it's attention on you. Over the years the place seems to act as some sort of travel point. The house is hot to this day.

What makes a house, "hot?" How does one arrive at such a classification? HH

[Kingarthurhk]

That has nothing to do with what I asked.

There are a lot of other faiths besides Christianity and Judaism. They have stories of the supernatural as well. What makes yours true and theirs false?

Well, I pose this question to you. How many of these same religions are perpetually plagued by demonic spirits? How many of them successfully rid themselves of them? I have heard of plenty of missionaries encountering these same said cultures and cleansing whole areas of demonic influence through the power of God.

I have yet to see the converse.

[NEOH212]

Everything you would ever want to know on the subject.

Your welcome! :wavey:

http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3.asp?Cat2=244&ItemID=786

[Rabbi]

Well, I pose this question to you. How many of these same religions are perpetually plagued by demonic spirits? How many of them successfully rid themselves of them? I have heard of plenty of missionaries encountering these same said cultures and cleansing whole areas of demonic influence through the power of God.

I have yet to see the converse.

*sigh*

Never mind. There is nothing I can say or show that would get you to understand.

[engineer151515]

What makes a house, "hot?" How does one arrive at such a classification? HH

I suppose it is not so different than saying a lady is "hot".
In the sense that, if you looking for a specific measurement, then I'm wasting my time describing it. That said, I'm convinced the implicit understanding of the term is not lost upon the average reader.

[Kingarthurhk]

*sigh*

Never mind. There is nothing I can say or show that would get you to understand.

Well, being more specific and elaborating more might be helpful. To be frank, you are being a bit inscrutible, so it is hard to get a grasp on the point you are trying to make. I am not being purposefully obtuse or trying to be disrespectful.

[Rabbi]

Well, being more specific and elaborating more might be helpful. To be frank, you are being a bit inscrutible, so it is hard to get a grasp on the point you are trying to make. I am not being purposefully obtuse or trying to be disrespectful.

I dont know what is more direct than "What makes your supernatural claims true and someone elses false...because there are faiths, older than your own, that make the same claims you do...."

The best you have answered so far is "Their supernatural claims are demons...and my(faiths) supernatural powers got rid of them..."

So, what do you say about the Hindu Priest, a faith far older than yours, who is sitting around telling someone "Yes, ghosts are real, I have personal experience with them...."

[HollowHead]

I suppose it is not so different than saying a lady is "hot".
In the sense that, if you looking for a specific measurement, then I'm wasting my time describing it. That said, I'm convinced the implicit understanding of the term is not lost upon the average reader.

Again, what makes a location paranormally "hot?" HH

[Kingarthurhk]

I dont know what is more direct than "What makes your supernatural claims true and someone elses false...because there are faiths, older than your own, that make the same claims you do...."

The best you have answered so far is "Their supernatural claims are demons...and my(faiths) supernatural powers got rid of them..."

So, what do you say about the Hindu Priest, a faith far older than yours, who is sitting around telling someone "Yes, ghosts are real, I have personal experience with them...."

I would argue that Hinduism is an old religion, and there are religions that are older than Judaism and Christianity; however, there was once a time on the earth when there was no religion. There were only the Sons of God, and followers of Cain. That all religions have come about as a confusion about what God is, or in direct rebellion to God.

As to Hindiusm specifically, there really isn't much talk about ghosts as there is in reincarnation.

When there is confusion about what God is, or rebellion to God, there evil reigns.

[Rabbi]

I would argue that Hinduism is an old religion, and there are religions that are older than Judaism and Christianity; however, there was once a time on the earth when there was no religion. There were only the Sons of God, and followers of Cain. That all religions have come about as a confusion about what God is, or in direct rebellion to God.

As to Hindiusm specifically, there really isn't much talk about ghosts as there is in reincarnation.

When there is confusion about what God is, or rebellion to God, there evil reigns.

I see, you are incapable of looking at this through any lense but your own.

BTW, as is your general flaw anyways, (you assert no matter what the truth is) you obviously dont know much about Hinduism...but that is not going to stop you from making assertions about it.

Oh well, I am going to go back to learning about reincarnation. Which is a normal part of traditional Judaism.

[HollowHead]

...however, there was once a time on the earth when there was no religion. There were only the Sons of God, and followers of Cain.

There are tens of thousands of years of history evident prior to Genesis. HH

[Kingarthurhk]

I see, you are incapable of looking at this through any lense but your own.

BTW, as is your general flaw anyways, (you assert no matter what the truth is) you obviously dont know much about Hinduism...but that is not going to stop you from making assertions about it.

Oh well, I am going to go back to learning about reincarnation. Which is a normal part of traditional Judaism.

Actually, I have studied the world's major religions. I have an okay grasp of Hinduism. The ultimate goal is Moksha, or the state of nonbeing, or the concept of the rain drop being invaded by the ocean. Budhism as a reform movement of Hinduism has a similar concept. All life is suffering, and the ultimate goal is to reincarnate into a state of non-existance. There really isn't mention of ghosts.

Your last comment is confusing, as I really don't know of any form of Judaism that advocates reincarnation.

[Rabbi]

Actually, I have studied the world's major religions. I have an okay grasp of Hinduism. The ultimate goal is Moksha, or the state of nonbeing, or the concept of the rain drop being invaded by the ocean. Budhism as a reform movement of Hinduism has a similar concept. All life is suffering, and the ultimate goal is to reincarnate into a state of non-existance. There really isn't mention of ghosts.

Your last comment is confusing, as I really don't know of any form of Judaism that advocates reincarnation.

Again, you dont know as much as you claim. Of course Jews believe in reincarnation. It is a basic tenet of traditional Judaism.

This is Aish. One of the more authoratative. mainstream traditional Jewish sites. Google will bring up plenty of others.

http://www.aish.com/jl/l/a/48943926.html

[ilgunguygt]

I see, you are incapable of looking at this through any lense but your own.

BTW, as is your general flaw anyways, (you assert no matter what the truth is) you obviously dont know much about Hinduism...but that is not going to stop you from making assertions about it.

Oh well, I am going to go back to learning about reincarnation. Which is a normal part of traditional Judaism.
Really? I had no idea. You wouldnt mind giving s short education to a gentile on this subject would you?:embarassed: I really had never heard of reincarnation being related to Judaism.

[Kingarthurhk]

Again, you dont know as much as you claim. Of course Jews believe in reincarnation. It is a basic tenet of traditional Judaism.

This is Aish. One of the more authoratative. mainstream traditional Jewish sites. Google will bring up plenty of others.

http://www.aish.com/jl/l/a/48943926.html

Ressurection to eternal life and reincarnation are two distinctly seperate concepts. The concept of reincarnation is that you are born and die through endless cycles until you achieve your ultimate goal.

[Rabbi]

Really? I had no idea. You wouldnt mind giving s short education to a gentile on this subject would you?:embarassed: I really had never heard of reincarnation being related to Judaism.

I posted one link, here is another from a mainstream authoritative source.

http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380599/jewish/Judaism-and-Reincarnation.htm

[Rabbi]

Ressurection to eternal life and reincarnation are two distinctly seperate concepts. The concept of reincarnation is that you are born and die through endless cycles until you achieve your ultimate goal.

Did you read the article?

Yes, reincarnation. Being born into this world. Living in this world. Dying. Then, being reborn into this would, and doing it all over and dying again. It doesnt have to be YOUR version of what reincarnation is (endless cycles, ultimate goals...) It can be just two or three times. Judaism is what it is, no matter what you think it should be.

The ressurection of the dead is also a traditional Jewish concept. So is reincarnation. They are not the same thing.

[ilgunguygt]

I posted one link, here is another from a mainstream authoritative source.

http://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380599/jewish/Judaism-and-Reincarnation.htm
Thats pretty interesting. You can learn something every day if you just take the time. Thanks for the free education tonite Rabbi!:wavey:

[Hamilton Burger]

...I don't believe in them, but I do believe the great deceiver, and I don't wish to fool with the likes of him or his minions.

Why does somebody always gotta bring Obama into every thread?!?

[DustyBottoms]

My only experience...

I once moved out of a rented house because I believed it was haunted.
It was a temporary house we rented due to my company relocating me.
It was located in a traditional middle class neighborhood build in the 1980s.
I first noticed that my dog was acting different. He would bark while inside the house for no reason. (No one at the door – no strange noises, etc.)

My wife grew to hate the house and became afraid about staying alone there.

I’m cutting this real short to ease reading about this.

I was still traveling a lot at work and didn’t spend that much time at home…
When I did I had a recliner in the living room I used to take a nap after the long commute.
Several times while I was relaxing in my recliner in the evening I would smell this horrible whiff of something I can only describe as a dead smell and at the same time see something like a fog moving across the room out of the corner of my eyes.

One day my wife was sitting on our porch when two boys walked by. My little dog barked at them and my wife heard them call him a bad name. She wanted to let them know he was really friendly and tried to introduce him to the boys. She called them over and they made friends with our dog. (Miniature Schnauzer) In the conversation they said that our house was where two people died in the garage.

I checked it out and found that a husband had killed his wife and then killed himself by running his car in the closed garage.

I broke our lease and moved out the next week. I lost a months rent but was glad to get out of there.

[Gallium]

I'm a scientist. Sorry, there is no such thing as ghosts. My 4 year old believes in them, but my 9 year old has figured out that it is make-believe.

Likewise, no such thing as angels, faeries (like the tooth fairy), santa claus, the easter bunny, the devil, etc.

All that stuff is cool, and some great story telling was involved, but really folks, it isn't true!!!


You are less than 90 years old, and this earth is how old? This country in which you live was "discovered" in a time span at least six times your existence on earth.

EVERYTHING that you know has been taught to you. You were not born able to speak, to rationalize, to retain memories. Someone had to nurture you thru-out your formative years, assist you in walking, clean you, teach you the most basic and fundamental of things,

And here you are, a short 60 (if that much) years later on earth proclaiming to know it all, as it applies to religion.


I am not religious, and I'm VERY skeptical of the claims made by mainstream religions.

My wife is a devout Pentecostal Christian. She has been a Christian for over a decade. After a few minutes of earnest prayer it is very easy for her to begin "speaking in tongues". After a few days/weeks/months of being tired of this crap :) I decided to record what she was saying.

What I discovered were snippets and sometimes long recognizable strings of Aramaic, Vietnamese, African languages, German, some form of Cantonese, a strain of a language from Polynesia, etc etc. - never all at the same time, typically only one or two languages per instance.

The lady barely knows 5 words in French, 2 in Latin and maybe a 1/2 dozen in Spanish, and has no prior experience nor exposure to those languages (not thru TV, neighbors, etc). Where are these languages being unlocked from?

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I distinctly remember one night after midnight she jumped up in bed and was pointing her hand like a gun off into space. I could not get her back in bed, and could not get her hand down...and was frankly (a frequent occurrence for me) worried that our apartment neighbors would hear and think I was assaulting her. For 5-8 minutes she continued to holler and shout with words I could not understand. Then she collapses, is crying and praying then goes back to sleep.

The next morning my step son's dad calls us to tell us a bunch of guys were chasing another guy in a gun battle the night before - at the same time my wife was going nuts. There was a running gun battle thru their house, they had to take cover behind a fridge, which got shot up. The timing of these two events and her actions (from a deep sleep) are too much of a perfect coincidence to be a coincidence, so as with what was stated above, I keep an open mind.


So... I am a skeptic of religion, but I keep an open mind that there are things science have not yet been able to define.

- G

[686Owner]

Yeah, just what we need, armed people that believe in ghosts. That's more scary to me than any ghost story.

[gwalchmai]

I wonder if The Great Pumpkin is one of Gozer the Traveler's pre-chosen forms...

[walt cowan]

tower number 4 and 9 at the maryland house of corrections. 4 got so bad that some of the officers refused to be posted there.

[G36's Rule]

I would argue that Hinduism is an old religion, and there are religions that are older than Judaism and Christianity; however, there was once a time on the earth when there was no religion. There were only the Sons of God, and followers of Cain. That all religions have come about as a confusion about what God is, or in direct rebellion to God.

As to Hindiusm specifically, there really isn't much talk about ghosts as there is in reincarnation.

When there is confusion about what God is, or rebellion to God, there evil reigns.

Here is what I see when reading this thread:

Rabbi asked, "what color is the sky today?"

Kingarthurhk responds, "turn left on Tuesday!"

[Louisville Glocker]

well that ends the debate. Ladies and Gentlemen we have a SCIENTIST here! He plainly knows it all about spirituality, religion, etc., don't question him, he is a scientist!:upeyes:

You don't know everything, and a post like you just made proves it.

I never claimed to know everything. People try to do studies to prove there are ghosts. I even have a colleague who monitors supposedly haunted houses. He comes to me for advice on EM radiation devices. He even publishes papers on it. But from a hard science perspective, he has nothing. No proof. No real evidence.

The science simply doesn't back it up. Now if you want to go to religion and faith, then you can believe whatever you want. That's why my kids believe in easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc...but they're smart enough that they eventually figure out it is BS. Some adults never see through the BS.

[Louisville Glocker]

But to each his own.

I support anyone who wants to believe whatever they want. As long as they don't try to push their views on me. However, that is exactly what happens in organized religions. I get people knocking on my door. I get laws passed based on what "God wants." Heck, even for little things like no alcohol sales on Sundays, God's will. And it gets more serious when God is telling our president what to do....and of course telling us what kind of science our children are or are not allowed to learn.

Sorry, but this discussion naturally leads right into religion and politics. Can of worms here.

But again, I'll support anyone's right to believe. Until they push it on me.

[costanza187]

I find it hard to believe, but I have experienced it myself. I also know others who are credible sources who have experienced the same things. Interestingly enough, all of the experiences that I had, and the others I know personally who have had are all tied to one location. None of these people I know personally, no myself have experienced "paranormal" activity outside of a certain house. (yes I have heard many claims, but I am talking about people I personally know as in immediate family).

When I was young, we lived in a house where a tragic event occurred. As a child I remember all sorts of crazy "stuff" happening in our house. My parents also saw and heard many of the same things. We had family come to visit before, and for no apparent reason had their bags packed and could not get out of the house fast enough the next morning. (only to find out later that it was because they experienced some of the things we had been seeing and it scared the living H out of them).

My parents were pretty hardcore skeptics or they would have never bought the house to begin with. They actually told the people to whom they sold the house when we moved about the goings on...they buyers did not care, and pretty much wrote it off as nonsense.

Later on, they were like WOW there is some weird "stuff" going on in this house.

I know science tries to explain everything...maybe there is a scientific explanation for what goes on in a "haunted house". I have heard that maybe high levels of CO can cause hallucinations? However, we lived there a few YEARS and none of us died of CO poisoning. I honestly do not know. I cannot PROVE to you that I experienced these things, but I know what happened. Maybe we were all suffering the effects of some chemical, I don't know. I know what I (and others) experienced....maybe science could explain it, maybe it was ghosts/demons/spirits.

I believe a large amount of paranormal claims are hooey, but I also believe that there are some that are genuinely inexplicable. Are there legit ghosts, demons and spirits etc...? I do not know, but I think it is something that cannot be ruled out.

[ustate]

When I was a lot younger we lived in Virginia (my dad is retired military). We lived in that house from kindergarten until I was in 4th grade which would have been the late 70s, for as long as I could remember I'd see what I considered gray shadows walking around our downstairs, where my bedroom was. I wasn't afraid of them and it didn't seem they even noticed I was there. I'd walk among them to head to the bathroom etc no problem. After my dad was transferred I haven't seen anything since.

About ten years or so ago my brothers and I were all together and we started talking about horror movies and ghosts. The brother I shared that room with mentioned that he'd see silver people walking around the bedroom when we lived in Virginia. That surprised me since I hadn't told anyone about the things I'd seen, he called them silver instead of gray but obviously we were seeing the same thing.

Now I work in a prison and I've heard the ghost stories from inmates and staff about certain areas of the prison. I haven't seen or heard anything but I've talked to quite a few who insist they have.

[texasglong]

I have a female that will say hello to me when I am walking into my carport and sometimes out near the clothsline. No one is around when this happens and it happens at different times. I always answer back but she never responds, other than the hello...

Her voice is a soft wisper and right next to my ear...

You should try to record the voice, It can be done. She may be actually answering you and can only be picked up on a recording device.

[wjv]

my kids believe in easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc...but they're smart enough that they eventually figure out it is BS.

Next you'll be telling us there is no such thing as the Playboy Bunny!

[mhambi]

I visited a ghost town cemetery a few years back... one with lots of infant deaths and even some murders and such. Thought this entry in the guest register was funny...

http://i50.tinypic.com/spd4w0.jpg

[superhornet]

Louisville Glocker---tell me its not true--NO Santa Clause ??

[Beware Owner]

Every culture, around the world, even long before your faith existed, has stories of the supernatural.

So, why are your stories true? (and of course it is based on your very specific faith) Why are their stories not true?

Do you believe in the supernatural?

[tsmo1066]

All I can say is that I believe there's "something" to it, although I wouldn't dare even offer a guess as to what "ghosts" really are and what makes them tick.

I've seen some pretty overt paranormal activity firsthand, which makes me something of a believer.

My best friend in high school had a Grandmother who lived in a farmhouse that her late husband had built in the 1950s. Long story short, I spent a weekend there fixing up a barn and working on the roof and got to "meet" her late husband - sort of. We had just gotten through cleaning the kitchen one night after dinner and went into the living room to watch some TV. On the way there I decided to turn around and get a Coke out of the fridge. When I walked back into the kitchen that we had just cleaned seconds before, every cabinet and drawer in the room was wide open.

I was shaken to the core by this, but my friend's Grandma wasn't even phased. She said her late husband, Frank, didn't like strangers much and was just reminding me that it was HIS house.

I agreed with her and told her that Frank could have the place! I never set foot in that house again after that night.

[BEER]

I never claimed to know everything. People try to do studies to prove there are ghosts. I even have a colleague who monitors supposedly haunted houses. He comes to me for advice on EM radiation devices. He even publishes papers on it. But from a hard science perspective, he has nothing. No proof. No real evidence.

The science simply doesn't back it up. Now if you want to go to religion and faith, then you can believe whatever you want. That's why my kids believe in easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc...but they're smart enough that they eventually figure out it is BS. Some adults never see through the BS.

at 1 point "scientists" jumped up and down swearing that the earth was flat. just because you can't prove something right now dosen't mean it won't ever be proven.

i loathe scientific zealots just as much as i hate religious zealots. everybody needs to knock off the "THIS IS THE WAY IT IS AND THAT'S THE END OF IT!" attitudes.

as human beings we are nothing more than cells that makes up the flea that rides the dog that's living in just 1 yard, so on and so forth.

[Beware Owner]

Personally, I think ghosts are demons.

[Zonny]

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[walt cowan]

also on the seg. unit, cell e-1-3 was used as a broom closet. had sanitation sink in there that would turn its self on. funny to see how much it spooked officers and inmates alike.

[johnd]

Never seen a ghost in the USA, seen quite a few in Europe and the Balkans region.
I go past the local HS some mornings and see a lot of what look like zombies

[Louisville Glocker]

at 1 point "scientists" jumped up and down swearing that the earth was flat. just because you can't prove something right now dosen't mean it won't ever be proven.

i loathe scientific zealots just as much as i hate religious zealots. everybody needs to knock off the "THIS IS THE WAY IT IS AND THAT'S THE END OF IT!" attitudes.

as human beings we are nothing more than cells that makes up the flea that rides the dog that's living in just 1 yard, so on and so forth.

You've got me wrong. Scientists have to be humble. I never claimed to know everything. Our favorite theories can be proven wrong in a single experiment. That's all it takes. Evidence. Real evidence.

A decent scientist is willing to ask tough questions and is willing to accept the results of experiments. We think something is right based on evidence.

And yes, we do believe the evidence. It is completely different than religious zealots who believe the words of some guy on a hill, or the words written in a book that are supposed to be the words of God, whatever God is. Religious zealotry is completely different than science. Sure, we scientists get excited, but it is about experiments that prove or disprove our theories, experiments that can be reproduced and performed by different people all over the world (or maybe even all over the universe).

Totally different. But feel free to loathe us. You might as well loathe the Truth also....and nature....and the universe. We're just trying to examine patterns and figure out the way it behaves.

[Dinky]

You should try to record the voice, It can be done. She may be actually answering you and can only be picked up on a recording device.



I have tried that twice with her and got nothing.

I did have have a recording of drawers being opened and closed and paper being moved and an office light turning on and off. This was in an office that I had the only key to and was caught on the security system.

[ocjackel]

Ok, here's my ghost story. Actually it's my mom's.

My mom and step dad live in Santa Fe, NM. They have been there about 16 years. 4 times over the last 16 years my mom claims that she has seen, late at night, an older asian man walk down the hallway and then disapear.

She told me that the first time she was pretty freaked out and didn't even wake my step dad and tell him. She evenually just dismissed it as being tired and it being late.

A few years pass and she had completely forgotten about it and it happens again, late night and on her way to bed (my step father was already asleep). Another asian man walks down the hallway and disapears. This time she wakes up my step dad and tells him. He's not sure if he believes her.

After this second incident they did some research on their neiborhood and it turns out that it was built on a site that was a Japanese internment camp during WWII.

She says that 3rd and 4th times she has seen him she has tried to talk to him but has never gotten any response, he seems indifferent or unaware of her.

[SGT HATRED]

When I was 11 my parents wanted to move to a certain neighborhood (built in the 50's) so I would attend a better HS. We found a fixer uper that was once a hospice home. It had 2 front doors, 2 kitchens, 4 baths a 5 car garage a basement (more like a root cellar) and 7 bedrooms. There was the owners side separated from the residence side by a large door with deadbolts. One strange thing about one of the rooms on the residence side was that it was in the middle of the house with no windows and a dead bolt that locked from the outside. The room had wood panel walls with blue lanolium (sp) flooring. During our walk through I remember feeling like someone was watching me. Just an all around creepy feeling.

Skip forward a few weeks and my parents found out our offer was declined. Skip forward about 4 months and we find our new house and it's directly behind the creepy house we walked through. Sharing our back fence. The first time I saw the ghost I remember perfectly. It was a saturday morning and I was home alone. I had just gotten out of the shower and the steam was thick since it was winter. As I opened the bathroom door right there in front of me was a man in a blue suite and fedora. I didn't see his face either because of the steam or because he was misty or something like that. As I stumbled backwards and blinked he was gone. I was pretty freaked out but kept it to myself.

With time as any 11 yo boy would do, I started making friends with other children in the neighborhood. And having sleep overs and play dates. Pretty soon I found my best friend who lived across the street. During one sleep over I told him about the man in the blue suite. He then proceeded to inform me how our neighbors house to the rear once had been used as a elderly group home. And how the owners were in jail because the tenants would die but would never reported and the SS checks would keep coming. He told me how they dug up the whole yard looking for bodies (and I remember the holes) but never found any.

I lived there till I was 19. Throughout the years my parents my friends and family all saw the man in the blue suite. Pictures and mirrors fell off walls. The garage door would open and close on it's own. Lights would turn on in they middle of the night. Never did it get to the point of being scarry because this ghost never said anything, just a glimpse here and there. Things falling or turning on where very rare but did happen. I've been out of the house for some time now but my parents still live there and the last time I asked it's been years since any activity. I swear to god himself that this is a true story.

[Mr. Niceguy]

My wife and I lived in a small rental house when we were first married that had poltiergeist type activity. Our guest did not like banannas or loaves of bread anywhere other than neatly lined up on the countertop next to the kitchen sink. We could sit at the kitchen table with our backs to the banannas/bread for a minute or two, and turn around to find them back by the sink again. We'd put them somewhere else and then repeat the process. Repeatedly. It happened with such regularity that we eventually got bored with it.

[RonS]

If I ever meet a ghost I'll believe in it. I have had one single ESP like event that I cannot explain but it was totally subjective with no possibility of evidence so not much point in discussing it.

[cyphertext]

Several years ago, we went to the USS Lexington with his Cub Scout Pack. We toured the ship and stayed on board overnight, heard all the ghost stories, etc. Well, the next morning, after we had taken all of our stuff up to the hangar deck from the berthing area, my son wanted to go walk around the ship and take pictures, since there were not any people except our Cub Scout group left. So, we put fresh batteries in his digital camera and headed down into the engine compartment, where "Charlie" supposedly roams.

When we made it down to the engine compartment, the power went out on the ship. The emergency lights came on, so it wasn't pitch black, but it was kinda dark. After a few minutes, one of the tour folks came and yelled down the hatch and asked if anyone was down in the engine compartment. We said we were, and were alone, so he decided to bring the two other people down and show them the engine room too, before guiding us back up to the hangar deck.

Well, as the guide told the story about Charlie and pointed out where he died, my son went to take a picture of the spot....as soon as he turned on the camera and focused on that place on the ship, the batteries lost all power. These were fresh batteries, that we had just put in the camera minutes before. We showed the guide that the camera went dead and he immediately took all of us back up to the hangar deck.

[JLA]

I don't know if this would be "paranormal" but here goes....

My granddaughters spent the night 3 weeks ago and the next morning my wife heard them in the bedroom talking to each other and giggling. Sometimes they do that. After a while my wife walked in and asked them what they wanted for breakfast. Of course they didn't know. The oldest (6 years) was too interested in watching her hands.


Then she asked my wife (gramma to them)....

*Can you see them?

See what?

*The lights around my hands.

No, what lights?

*The red and white lights. They're playing when they go through my hands. They're funny.

No, I can't see them.

Now, my wife is looking at their hands trying to find a light source...also rubbing her hands. She asked "are they still there?"

*Yeah, just floating around playing.

After a few more minutes they come out of the bedroom and said that they (lights) were gone now. At that point, I am awake and start asking her questions.

Sooo how big were the lights? About the size of my little finger nail?

*No, they were little.

Where did they go? Were they in the room under the bed? Did they go into the closet?

*No, just playing around my hands. Then they left.


I couldn't get much out of her. She just wanted to eat then go outside to play...lol.
The innocence of a child....

[Kingarthurhk]

Again, you dont know as much as you claim. Of course Jews believe in reincarnation. It is a basic tenet of traditional Judaism.

This is Aish. One of the more authoratative. mainstream traditional Jewish sites. Google will bring up plenty of others.

http://www.aish.com/jl/l/a/48943926.html

It is interesting. I have read the Torah, and have never seen anything regarding reincarnation.

[vikingsoftpaw]

I know this theme becomes popular this time of year. But, there are no such things as ghosts. There are fallen angels that impersonate ghosts. I have had my fair share of encounters with them. But, they flee in the name of Jesus every time.

If you are interested in a brief study on the state of the dead, I recommend this link:

http://www.amazingfacts.org/free-stuff/bible-studies/study-guides/ctl/viewmedia/mid/453/iid/2-10/lng/en/sc/r.aspx?7=are-the-dead-really-dead?

For a contrasting point of view read:

Seven kinds of Ghosts

http://saint-mike.org/warfare/library/wp-content/docs/7ghosts.asp (http://saint-mike.org/warfare/library/wp-content/docs/7ghosts.asp)

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=14715
(http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=14715)

[tsmo1066]

Several years ago, we went to the USS Lexington with his Cub Scout Pack. We toured the ship and stayed on board overnight, heard all the ghost stories, etc. Well, the next morning, after we had taken all of our stuff up to the hangar deck from the berthing area, my son wanted to go walk around the ship and take pictures, since there were not any people except our Cub Scout group left. So, we put fresh batteries in his digital camera and headed down into the engine compartment, where "Charlie" supposedly roams.

When we made it down to the engine compartment, the power went out on the ship. The emergency lights came on, so it wasn't pitch black, but it was kinda dark. After a few minutes, one of the tour folks came and yelled down the hatch and asked if anyone was down in the engine compartment. We said we were, and were alone, so he decided to bring the two other people down and show them the engine room too, before guiding us back up to the hangar deck.

Well, as the guide told the story about Charlie and pointed out where he died, my son went to take a picture of the spot....as soon as he turned on the camera and focused on that place on the ship, the batteries lost all power. These were fresh batteries, that we had just put in the camera minutes before. We showed the guide that the camera went dead and he immediately took all of us back up to the hangar deck.

I had a similar experience at Muriel's restaurant in New Orleans. Muriel's is very famously haunted and there are many tales of mysterious voices in their Seance Room upstairs (yes, that's right, the restaurant has a seance room!), and one ghost in particular, that of Pierre Jourdan, was so active at one point that the staff now leaves a plate of bread and some wine out for him continuously to keep him calmed down (I'm not making this up, and they've been doing it since long before having ghosts in your restaurant was considered "cool").

Anyhow, I eat there a good bit when in New Orleans and know some of the staff pretty well. Last year when I was in town with my wife I took her by there for the Sunday Brunch and although the upstairs was closed at the time, the staff told me I could take her upstairs to see the Seance Room since she had never been before. They did warn us, however, that Pierre had been active recently in the form of a partial manifestation that one of the cleaning crew had seen up there a week earlier while cleaning the Seance Room after hours.

My wife brought her camera, which had fresh batteries, and we went upstairs to poke around on our own for a bit. She was nervous and just wanted to snap some pics of the outlandish decor in the Seance Room and then LEAVE, but as soon as she started focussing her camera, the battery went absolutely flat.

She looked at the camera, looked at me, said "F--- This!" and went back downstairs.

[devildog2067]

at 1 point "scientists" jumped up and down swearing that the earth was flat.
No, not really. "Scientists" in the sense that we now use the term only date back to th time of the ancient Greeks, and by that time scientists (and sailors) knew th world was not flat. Aristotle famously said the world was found, but no one lived on the bottom half because they would fall off (no one had thought of gravity yet).


i loathe scientific zealots just as much as i hate religious zealots.

But you see, here's the thing: there is no such thing as a scientific zealot. The very term is a contradiction.

Anyone who truly understands science is willing to cast aside their beliefs in the face of new evidence. Every physicist in the world believes that the speed of light is the fastest any particle can travel; Einstein's general relativity equations elegantly state it to be so.

But if tomorrow someone else came along and found an error or loophole in the equations, every scientist on the planet throw away the old belief. That is in direct contradiction to the idea of zealots who cling to beliefs in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Some things just are what they are. They don't care about your opinion. Sometimes it really is correct to say "that's just the way it is."

[RonS]

In theory every scientist who formulates a theory should be grateful to those who study, question and challenge it. However, being human many aren't. Think Edison and Tesla.

If I could see convincing evidence of paranormal activity, especially something that could be seen again and again I would find it interesting. My one brush with it was brief and startling but inconclusive.

[Landmonster]

My family and I experienced a rather terrifying Paranormal EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon) set of events that started several years ago. It began several years ago, and continues to afflict us to this day. I never believed in EVP before this happened, and I haven't posted this story anywhere but here. It actually bothers me to discuss it here, but I will try.

I don't claim to fully understand EVP. I've never experienced it anywhere before this one case.

This particular EVP creature seems to be malevolent, so I assume this particular case is sinister or "evil" in nature. Thus, I will claim that an "evil" EVP presence has invaded our lives repeatedly over the last several years, and continues to harass us, and interrupts our days and nights to this day. I still remember the first time as if it were last night...

Let me be clear here, though. This EVP creature hasn't yet appeared before me in person. It appears to me via our radios or audible devices, and sometimes appears as one of several of its forms as a video image. This creature never has appeared to us in person, but constantly invades us through EVP. It is truly depressing.

I wouldn't say this evil presence takes the form of a man, yet it clearly isn't a woman either. The best word I can use to describe it is "creature". I have seen it. My family has seen it. Even our neighbors have seen it, at times when they have been with us. We have also all heard it.

Please allow me to describe the creature and what it does. If your children are reading this, please avert their attention, or move along to the next post. This is a serious issue.

As best I can say, this "creature" is a rather tall, slender, serpentine figure with large, ominous teeth, and an eery smile. Its coloring is inexplicable, often seemingly to be both half-black, yet half-white as well. It often shifts color to blend in more closely to its surroundings, like a humanoid chameleon. Sometimes, it appears to be more white, other times to be more black. Sometimes it inexplicably shifts to brown, or some other color.

Its voice is solemn, slow, often methodical, and usually eery. It has a condescending tone. It tries to form English words into strings of logic, but usually cannot construct logical thoughts... they are usually just strings of ominous and confusing or conflicting phrases. It is very strange, indeed.

Against our will, and unwelcome to us, this "creature" generates sounds that resemble English language. We hear its voice, and its attempts at logic, but it usually makes no sense.

Though we have done it no wrong, and really don't know what it is... it often appears to be hateful or spiteful towards us, for no apparent reason. More frighteningly, it often appears to be attempting to deceive us, or harm us, or persuading us to do things against our will!

The resonance of this eery voice keeps inexplicably ranting to us through our televisions, radios, car stereos, and even sometimes computers.

Whenever I see it appear now, I simply turn off the device ASAP!





Oh wait, this started in 2008. I'm just realized I'm probably talking about what everyone calls Obama.

[chewybaca67]

We'll ALL find the truth at the end.

In the mean time, educate yourself and live a good life.

[Rabbi]

It is interesting. I have read the Torah, and have never seen anything regarding reincarnation.

Judaism doesnt concern itself with what you think Judaism is. You cant even begin to fathom what you DONT know about it, in spite of what you think you know. Judaism has no mission to spread itself or even the truth about what it is.

For a simple example, you have never read the Torah. You have read a translation of one part of the Jewish works known as the Torah and viewed it through a Christian lense.

This isnt about who is right or wrong, because I am not interested in that debate. That is a religious debate and those are pretty useless. This is about puting data points on the table.

[Rabbi]

Do you believe in the supernatural?

Yes I do.

[JLA]

We'll ALL find the truth at the end.

In the mean time, educate yourself and live a good life.



Basically what it boils down to

[Rabbi]

We'll ALL find the truth at the end.

In the mean time, educate yourself and live a good life.

How do you know?

If there is nothing, then we will find nothing, we will know nothing, there will be nothing. That is what oblivion is.

The other side of that is, how do you know we (any given person) will not find out A truth instead of some kind of The truth?

[chewybaca67]

Me and the wife walk the local cemetery every night for about an hour. Haven't seen anything yet. I don't think I've ever seen a ghost. I have however had weird experiences from too much caffeine causing an overactive brain at night.

For those that live in "haunted" areas and claim to see stuff... why do you live there? Isn't it a bit discomforting living with a supernatural being that cannot be explained nor that you know the capabilities of?

Some folks "shine".......some folks don't.

[chewybaca67]

Well, being more specific and elaborating more might be helpful. To be frank, you are being a bit inscrutible, so it is hard to get a grasp on the point you are trying to make. I am not being purposefully obtuse or trying to be disrespectful.

There are lots of examples. In Navajo way we literally call it ghost sickness and certain medicine men can exorcise it.

[MasterShake]

I love this thread!!! :popcorn:


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If only people would knock off the b****ing, it would be better. Hopefully Mrs. VR will delete the argument comments and leave the stories.

[aplcr0331]

"Superstition is the religion of the feeble minded" - Edmund Burke

[Landmonster]

Noone was moved by my EVP story?

[chewybaca67]

How do you know?

If there is nothing, then we will find nothing, we will know nothing, there will be nothing. That is what oblivion is.

The other side of that is, how do you know we (any given person) will not find out A truth instead of some kind of The truth?

Oblivion is something. Often the answer to what people look for is not at any polar opposites. But rather in the center. Contradiction is where balance lays, often appearing as nonsense to the absolutist mind.

How do I know? Just a hunch.

[Rabbi]

Oblivion is something. Often the answer to what people look for is not at any polar opposites. But rather in the center. Contradiction is where balance lays, often appearing as nonsense to the absolutist mind.

How do I know? Just a hunch.

Nothing is nothing. If it is "BAM" lights out forever. There never was and never will be.

[chewybaca67]

Nothing is nothing. If it is "BAM" lights out forever. There never was and never will be.

Perhaps. Either way, you'll experience the answer on your way to something or nothingness.

[chewybaca67]

Nothing is nothing. If it is "BAM" lights out forever. There never was and never will be.

Also....How do you know?

[Rabbi]

Also....How do you know?

I dont know if that is what happens but if it is, nothing is nothing. How else would we define the absense of all things? Again, if it is lights out, forever, in a flash....there is no truth to be learned. There is nothing. Simply nothing. Oblivion.

[PBCounty]

Alright, I'll do mine.

I was 17 y/o or so and sitting in my (mom and dad's) living room at just after 2:00 a.m. reading a book. Just over the top of the book I see a poorly defined figure walk out of the family room (from direction of parents' bedroom), into the kitchen and into the utility room where it disappeared. I could make out almost no detail other than a greyish color and a basically human shape. It being late, I was tired and my eyes had been reading for hours I was able to eventually calm and convince myself that it was my imagination....either way I went to bed somewhat shaken. So, no big deal....

I wake the next morning to find my mother and father on the couch with my mom visibly shaken and upset. She recounted that a little after 2:00 a.m. she awoke to find her (deceased) mother (my grandmother) in her room. She watched her mother stand there for a moment, and then pass out of the bedroom and continue on the same course that I saw my figure travel.

Other family members have also reported sightings of her in their own homes; usually in close time proximity. Of all the dead in my large family, she is the only one who was ever "seen" by anyone.

[Z71bill]

We had a golden retriever named Amber.

She got bone cancer 2 years ago - very aggressive type - we had no choice - no way it could be treated. :crying:

I work from home and spend a lot of time at the computer - Amber would always be close by - she was like a shadow -

When she wanted something she would come up behind me while I worked and poke the back of my arm with her cold nose.

She did the same thing to my wife --

A few months after she died - I had the distinct feeling she poked my arm with her cold nose - happened a few times - I figured it was my imagination. I never said anything to my wife.

One day my wife told me - she had Amber poke her arm while she was at her computer.

It has happened many times over the last couple years.

Don't know if it is really her - or just an over active imagination

But I hope it is her - she was such a loving dog - and deserved a longer life.

[JW1178]

I posted this thread because I've had experiences, and know lots of creditable people who have had them as well. Then I know lots of people who haven't. Like, my girl has never experienced anything, but she is terrified of the thought. I have, yet it doesn't scare me. I'm not sure what they are. Are they just emotions trapped in an area, are they demons, angles, or spirits? I have no clue.

Oh, one thing. When I was about 13, some friends and I messed with witchcraft. Don't ever do that. Believe in spirits or not, you don't want to open doors and invite potentially evil things. I've known of a few people who have made deals with the devil or even offered to sell thier souls. What's funny is they all claim that it worked, they got what they wanted, but what followed made them regret it. If there is a heaven, it would really suck if you got to the gate just to find out there is a lien on your title!

About the "Science" arguement, there are things we don't understand and there are things maybe we can never comprehend. Science can't explain everythign and if it can, then what is the point of continuing to study it? It is very arrogant to believe that we know everything because anyone who knows anything about science knows we discover new things all the time and it's always changing. Scientist like to say that when (stupid) people don't understand something, they use religion to understand it. However, often when scientist don't understand something, they use science to understand that.


Noone was moved by my EVP story?

Yes, you had me going there and we are holding an extrocisim on Nov 6th. :rofl:

[zoyter2]

I'm a scientist. Sorry, there is no such thing as ghosts. My 4 year old believes in them, but my 9 year old has figured out that it is make-believe.

Likewise, no such thing as angels, faeries (like the tooth fairy), santa claus, the easter bunny, the devil, etc.

All that stuff is cool, and some great story telling was involved, but really folks, it isn't true!!!

I wear Nike shoes. You're wrong.

This is the whole thing in a nutshell. There is something that exists that we have termed "ghost". What it actually is or why it exists is moot. All arguments against their existence are based in ignorance to me. If you have experienced the explainable, it may remain that.. explainable. But you are very aware of ignorance no matter what the base of the ignorant argument, be it science or religion.

[JW1178]

Judaism doesnt concern itself with what you think Judaism is. You cant even begin to fathom what you DONT know about it, in spite of what you think you know. Judaism has no mission to spread itself or even the truth about what it is.

For a simple example, you have never read the Torah. You have read a translation of one part of the Jewish works known as the Torah and viewed it through a Christian lense.

This isnt about who is right or wrong, because I am not interested in that debate. That is a religious debate and those are pretty useless. This is about puting data points on the table.

That's what I love about Jews. They aren't going to come knock on your door trying to get you to convert. They don't tell you that you're going to hell if you don't. They don't even seem to want to argue who's right or who's wrong. They don't put people down for not being Jewish. Most hated group in the world and yet they don't let it get them down. My longest most dear friend is half Hebrew, and her father's side is 100%. Learned a lot about it from them. I learned that Judiasim is one of those religions where you can lean a whole lot about it, but you can't really become one. It's kind of like you are in or your not, but you can learn a lot from it and they welcome that, but if you don't want to, they don't care either way.

Reincardation is an odd subject. Really don't know what to think of it. My grandparents didn't believe in it until I was born. That's all I want to say.

[Rabbi]

That's what I love about Jews. They aren't going to come knock on your door trying to get you to convert. They don't tell you that you're going to hell if you don't. They don't even seem to want to argue who's right or who's wrong. They don't put people down for not being Jewish. Most hated group in the world and yet they don't let it get them down. My longest most dear friend is half Hebrew, and her father's side is 100%. Learned a lot about it from them. I learned that Judiasim is one of those religions where you can lean a whole lot about it, but you can't really become one. It's kind of like you are in or your not, but you can learn a lot from it and they welcome that, but if you don't want to, they don't care either way.

Reincardation is an odd subject. Really don't know what to think of it. My grandparents didn't believe in it until I was born. That's all I want to say.

Yeah, unless someone is threatening us, we dont care and dont really need to.

Just an FYI, though, a non Jew can become a Jew. 100% accepted and ready to marry our sons and daughters. It is just not easy and in general, not necessary unless you are compelled for the sake of heaven alone. Traditional Judaism does not seek converts. It is actually forbiden to seek converts.

All people have a path to G-d. The Jewish path is for Jews. If you are not Jewish, you dont need the Jewish path.

When King Solomon dedicated the first Temple, he beseeched G-d to answer the rightious prayers of non Jews. (Not for them to convert or the like) The Hebrew Bible is full of such sentiments.

[chewybaca67]

I dont know if that is what happens but if it is, nothing is nothing. How else would we define the absense of all things?

Maybe by experiencing it? Then it could become "something." Alright, I ain't disagreeing with you nor do I presume to know the answer. So on that note, I'll find out at the end.

.....or is it a new beginning?

[Rabbi]

Maybe by experiencing it? Then it could become "something." Alright, I ain't disagreeing with you nor do I presume to know the answer. So on that note, I'll find out at the end.

.....or is it a new beginning?

If there is nothing, there is no experience. If there is an experience, then there is something, whatever that is.

I am not arguing "what" there is. Just defining thing.

[samuse]

I love this thread!!! :popcorn:


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I HATE IT!

It freaks me out and I can't help but read the whole thing!

You people suck!!

[chewybaca67]

If there is nothing, there is no experience. If there is an experience, then there is something, whatever that is.

I am not arguing "what" there is. Just defining thing.

Gotcha.
Funny.
I had a vision of your colonial ancestors and my ancestors debating the exact same thing a couple of hundred years ago.

[Rabbi]

Gotcha.
Funny.
I had a vision of your colonial ancestors and my ancestors debating the exact same thing a couple of hundred years ago.

You are going to have to rethink the "colonial ancestor" swipes when talking to most Jews.

I dont have any colonial ancestors. I come from a long line of Tzarist Russian peasants living in shtetls (oddly similar to Indians on a reservation). At some point prior to that,...sand people.

[deadmanglocking]

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[Lone_Wolfe]

I love this thread!!! :popcorn:



Yeah, it kinda did take a big left turn a while back. :rofl: :rofl:

Here's more :popcorn:

[Michael Rye]

You are going to have to rethink the "colonial ancestor" swipes when talking to most Jews.

I dont have any colonial ancestors. I come from a long line of Tzarist Russian peasants living in shtetls (oddly similar to Indians on a reservation). At some point prior to that,...sand people.

Hey, Rabbi.

Are you Orthodox, Conservative or Reform?

Just curious

[Historian]

I got a very similar feeling walking Dog Green, Omaha Beach at low tide. HH

Sacred land. I have spent a lot of time in that region of France. You can jog along those pristine beaches...but you never feel alone.

[Rabbi]

Hey, Rabbi.

Are you Orthodox, Conservative or Reform?

Just curious

I am, as of right now, a somewhat non observant Orthodox.

[MrsKitty]

I was in a wreck. I was alone in the car. The man who hit me saw a little girl standing in my backseat. After the wreck, my windshield had the imprint of a head in it. It was two years until I learned of the little girl who got of the care with me, followed me around, and finally left with me. The man testified to it at his disposition with his attorney trying to shut him up the whole time.

I spent a lot of time that day telling the state trooper, rescue squad and fire department that I was alone. Not a single one of them believed me, or the other witnesses. Luckily, the man who hit me only talked to the trooper and finally told me that he knew there was someone with me who had to have run and to promise him that I would get them to the ER. Later, the insurance adjusted flat out called me a liar.

[Hamilton Burger]

A couple of our cats liked to sleep on the bed with us now and then. Hers liked to lay on my wife's legs, which drove her batty; mine liked to lay on my shoulder like king of the mountain, which after two shoulder surgeries got a little bothersome. So we started shutting the bedroom door at night.

Afterwards, more than once I've felt a cat hopping up onto the bed, padding around and settling down at the small of my back. And when I'd reached down to pet the good kitty there was nothing and no one there. :shocked:

Then one night while on GT I felt the familiar sensation of cat rubbing against the back of my legs, which usually means he wants his belly rubbed.

So I reached under my chair to scratch his back or tug on his tail, but there was no cat there, nor could there have been: I was in my den with the door closed!

A little while later my son and his friend dug up a box in the backyard...

:dunno:

[costanza187]

I have a chance to add more details to mine to keep this discussion going.

In our house (I was a child, but some things you do not forget) I remember seeing a small black man with a great big hand. I would estimate his body size to be that of maybe an old school GI Joe but one of his hands was the size of a baseball glove. He had no facial features he was completely black. (strange thing is I was talking to somebody else 20+ years after the fact and she said she had seen something similar in her house 250 miles away). I only saw this creepy little guy once, but he made an impression on me. I am the only one in the house who saw this thing. I was so freaked out by this thing that I left the room, and I swear I heard the footsteps behind me as I ran to my parents room.

[Enter my parents as witnesses to the story] I ran into my parents bedroom and told them there was something in my room and the told me to go back to bed. They heard me walk back down the hall and close my door. My dad said something to my mom about what was going on. That's when I replied, I don't want to go back to my room. They were like WTH we heard somebody walk back down the hall and go back into your room!?

Foot steps and noises like that were common occurrences in the house. Sometimes people heard weird howling noises. Sometimes the noises were very loud. There were crashing sounds, sounds of glass shattering. We had a big chandelier in the living room, and we heard it crash to the ground (or so we thought) it was a loud awful noise and you could hear everything breaking. My dad went in to investigate... NOTHING had happened. That kind of stuff happened a lot.

There were vast temperature changes in the house, and they seemed to be related to the odd happenings. Usually around the time some of this weird "stuff" was happening the temperature would drop sharply. These happenings were often accompanied by a strong smell of lilac... who knows what that was all about.

There were weird power issues in the house. Lights would turn on by themselves, stereo would come on by itself. The lights turning off and on by themselves was a very common thing. We were gone on vacation and our neighbor later asked about the "timers" on our lights. My parents were like we don't have those. Our neighbor didn't believe them because he had been seeing the lights turn on and off regularly in our house while we were gone.

The thing that ran the guests off was the physical encounters. People have been shoved and choked in the house. For example, my mom was standing on the stairs, and said the felt two hands give her a push down the stairs while home alone. There was NOBODY in the house to do this to her. In another incident my grandfather, was attacked by something one night. He said he was sleeping and felt actual hands around his neck. He fought it off, but could not see anything. This kept happening over and over.

One could say we are a bunch of crazy people. Who knows, that may be true. However, none of us involved had ever had an experience such as this before living or visiting this house. None of the us have had any such experiences outside of this house. All of these odd happenings are tied to this ONE location.

Whether or not there was some sort of ghost/entity/spirit/poltergeist, I cannot say. I know there was something going on. Maybe science could explain it, but it leads me to believe that there was something paranormal actually happening. If science can explain it, I would be really happy to hear what they have to say. (I have heard that high CO levels in a house can cause hallucinations) I tend to doubt that explanations, the lights and stuff were witnessed by people OUTSiDE the house.

[xMyazXtr3me]

I received a chair that my great great grandmother owned. Ever since I took it, we have had nothing but paranormal experiences happen. There's been times I come home from work and there's music playing in the basement and gets louder and louder as I go down and completley disappears when i get down there. One point I woke up in the middle of the night feeling like someone was bare hugging me and wouldn't let go. I couldn't scream or do anything. My doors open and close by themselves sometimes along with some lights. After experiencing some of this stuff I decided I wanted to make a visit to the Villisca ax murder house is Villisca Iowa. Very creepy place. Ghost adventures and ghost hunters have been there. Watch YouTube about it.


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[SDGlock23]

I have a friend who has lived in some places that were occupied with something. I never really experienced anything but at times this thing would even physically touch them and scratch them.

There are those who will simply shut their ears to this, but it's all demonic. The first thing to understand is that satan is the prince of this world. Then you have to understand that his main goal is to steal, kill and destroy...to deceive as many as possible. Demons look to dwell inside people (and objects) as well.

Ghosts, familiar spirits, whatever you want to call them do exist, and are in all aspects demonic. They have the ability to perfectly mimic, for example, a lost loved one. The purpose here is to get the person to doubt and question things. One of the most common ways is for someone to say they had an experience with a deceased loved one, leaving that person to believe that the loved one is still around, just roaming around as a ghost. They're called familiar spirits for a good reason.

Of course it is appointed unto man once to die then the judgement. The Bible is clear on this, but surely some will scoff that I would bring up the Bible and call it a fairy tale as well. Problem is, demons flee at the name of Jesus, no other name. There have even been accounts of alien (demons, fallen angels) abductions being stopped at the name of Jesus, and this is known, but not widely talked about.

[Chuck TX]

Again, what makes a location paranormally "hot?" HH

Freon needs to be recharged.

[deadmanglocking]

At one of my former jobs I was the executive chef at a new place and my average schedule was 5:30 am to 11:30 pm. This put me in the kitchen for long periods of time when no one else was there doing prep etc.. One night I was in the back hallway (alone, doors locked and alarm set) getting some spices from a rack and I felt something very distinctly touch my left shoulder. I spun around and saw nothing but went ahead and walked back into the kitchen and then walked into the dining area and bathrooms, checked doors and alarm. Kinda unsettled me a little but no big deal and I just chalked it up as nothing. Fast forward a few days and strange stuff started to happen, lights on when I knew they were turned off, cooler door slightly open, things on the wall would fall without any reason. So at this point whenever I'm alone I start getting these weird feelings of dread and fear near the back hall and the kitchen. I finally sat down with the owners and said "I know this is going to sound crazy but.." before I finished the sentence they both said "We know, we have a ghost". We started sharing stories and similar things had been happening to them also. The alarm system had started to trip the motion sensors in the back hallway at 3:14 am everyday and had happened so much it would fill up the hard drive. When we would watch the footage all you ever saw was some sort of smudge in the corner of the camera and then it was gone in the next frame. We did some digging and found out that the building was a Cuban grocery in the 80's and the guy had a check cashing place in it also. He was in the process of adding a kitchen when someone crawled down a unfinished vent shaft and murdered him in the area where the back hallway is now.The owners called a "medium" to come and cleanse the place and she said he was angry with me because he saw me as a threat to his authority since it was still his place. She also said she could detect a female in the building and after talking to a retired homicide detective who was a customer we found out that a Chinese lady was also murdered in the building in the 70's. I never believed in ghost but I never worked alone in that kitchen again. Even when one of the owners was there things continued to happen that we both witnessed together so I know it wasn't just my mind!

[stevelyn]

Paranormal Experiences

Yes........

[PBCounty]

At one of my former jobs I was the executive chef at a new place and my average schedule was 5:30 am to 11:30 pm. This put me in the kitchen for long periods of time when no one else was there doing prep etc.. One night I was in the back hallway (alone, doors locked and alarm set) getting some spices from a rack and I felt something very distinctly touch my left shoulder. I spun around and saw nothing but went ahead and walked back into the kitchen and then walked into the dining area and bathrooms, checked doors and alarm. Kinda unsettled me a little but no big deal and I just chalked it up as nothing. Fast forward a few days and strange stuff started to happen, lights on when I knew they were turned off, cooler door slightly open, things on the wall would fall without any reason. So at this point whenever I'm alone I start getting these weird feelings of dread and fear near the back hall and the kitchen. I finally sat down with the owners and said "I know this is going to sound crazy but.." before I finished the sentence they both said "We know, we have a ghost". We started sharing stories and similar things had been happening to them also. The alarm system had started to trip the motion sensors in the back hallway at 3:14 am everyday and had happened so much it would fill up the hard drive. When we would watch the footage all you ever saw was some sort of smudge in the corner of the camera and then it was gone in the next frame. We did some digging and found out that the building was a Cuban grocery in the 80's and the guy had a check cashing place in it also. He was in the process of adding a kitchen when someone crawled down a unfinished vent shaft and murdered him in the area where the back hallway is now.The owners called a "medium" to come and cleanse the place and she said he was angry with me because he saw me as a threat to his authority since it was still his place. She also said she could detect a female in the building and after talking to a retired homicide detective who was a customer we found out that a Chinese lady was also murdered in the building in the 70's. I never believed in ghost but I never worked alone in that kitchen again. Even when one of the owners was there things continued to happen that we both witnessed together so I know it wasn't just my mind!

That one can be tossed in the creepy bin.

[deadmanglocking]

That one can be tossed in the creepy bin.

To be honest just writing that made my hair stand up on my arms. I'm not usually "scared" of much but the feelings I got there I will never, never forget. I can't say I definitely believe in ghosts but there was some sort of malevolent presence there.


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[wjv]

My dad (a very conservative Christian) swore that when he was growing up, there was a little (18" or so) tall red devil-man who lived in their basement. He and all of his siblings claimed to have seen it. :dunno:

[Hamilton Burger]

http://i46.tinypic.com/30di25j.jpg

That sh** would freak me right out...

:couch:

[SevenSixtyTwo]

If ghosts were real we could all see them. My dad said before he died this year that if there is "anything" to it, he'd let me know. He hasn't called ner nothin'...

[stevelyn]

Judaism doesnt concern itself with what you think Judaism is. You cant even begin to fathom what you DONT know about it, in spite of what you think you know. Judaism has no mission to spread itself or even the truth about what it is.

For a simple example, you have never read the Torah. You have read a translation of one part of the Jewish works known as the Torah and viewed it through a Christian lense.

This isnt about who is right or wrong, because I am not interested in that debate. That is a religious debate and those are pretty useless. This is about puting data points on the table.

:nutcheck:

:rofl:

:supergrin:

[Diesel_Bomber]

I've definitely seen things in this house that I can not explain. So has my wife, so have others. Including more than one person seeing the same thing at the same time.

I put myself in the category of believing in SOMETHING.

Ghost. Demon. Alien. No clue.

So far they've been polite and benign. As long as this continues, they are welcome in my house.

[Gray_Rider]

Never "saw" anything resembling a ghost, but I lived in a house for 13 years that was haunted. I heard strange "household" sounds from time to time. IE. A drawer being pulled open-complete with drawer handles tapping- though all my drawers were of the knob variety. Plastic bottles being pushed over. My tiny bathroom linen closet door slamming HARD-I never kept it open- and it was closed that night too. A hard THUMP on my headboard as I lay in bed one evening. The distinct sound of a large glass container smashing to bits on my hardwood floor above my head -I was in the basement below. Upstairs nothing amiss though I distinctly heard the loud crash and glass fragments skidding over the hardwood floor. The sound of a large bookcase falling over, complete with books and papers falling onto the floor, and a crash that felt like it shook the house. Again, nothing amiss in the room where the sound came from...

Just a few experiences in that house. Maybe I will include a few more experiences time permitting.

This stuff has been reported by the ancient Romans and other ancient cultures, but no...there is no such thing as ghosts etc. I was there and know others personally who have seen and heard unexplained things. I believe. Been there and done it.

Oh yes...once I was looking at one of my displays of relics from Lincoln's War. It was setting on my mantle leaning back against the fireplace stones behind it, when it flipped forward like someone had pushed it, and smashed on my hearthstones below. I saw it happen.

Gray_Rider
Deo Vindice!

[costanza187]

http://i45.tinypic.com/73m8ax.jpg

That sh** would freak me right out...

:couch:

What is ^that thing called???

[Hamilton Burger]

I don't know, but I'll mess its sh** up!

[Gray_Rider]

Felt a "hand" on my shoulder once (same house above). Had two light switches turned off in two seperate rooms at the same instant (childhood home in Pa.) Felt fingers in my hair, (old courthouse Jacksonville Fla.) perported to be haunted by locals. I was alone in the records room to be exact.
I and former wife (now deseased) heard the door to my upstairs bedroom rattle as if someone was pulling on the door knob from the stairway side of the door. Three "Lugggg! Lugggg! Lugggg!" sounds as the door shook in its frame. I opened the door and pulled the knob from the stairway side. Made the exact same sound. She was too spooked to be alone the rest of that evening. We were still dating then and it scared her. BADLY.
Current wife heard a key in the front door (storm door was locked, no access to inside door) when the key was heard being pushed into the lock and the deadbolt being turned. She was badly frightened because I wasn't due home for hours yet, and the storm door lock wasn't disturbed. All in the house I lived in for 13 years.

Yeah, I'm just making all this up....Believe that if you wish. I, and they, were there when it happened. I don't doubt people now when they hear voices and see or hear strange things they can't explain. I belong to the same "club" as it were. I don't have any trouble believing most of them. I have similar stories to tell of my own.

Gray_Rider

[MasterShake]

At one of my former jobs I was the executive chef at a new place and my average schedule was 5:30 am to 11:30 pm. This put me in the kitchen for long periods of time when no one else was there doing prep etc.. One night I was in the back hallway (alone, doors locked and alarm set) getting some spices from a rack and I felt something very distinctly touch my left shoulder. I spun around and saw nothing but went ahead and walked back into the kitchen and then walked into the dining area and bathrooms, checked doors and alarm. Kinda unsettled me a little but no big deal and I just chalked it up as nothing. Fast forward a few days and strange stuff started to happen, lights on when I knew they were turned off, cooler door slightly open, things on the wall would fall without any reason. So at this point whenever I'm alone I start getting these weird feelings of dread and fear near the back hall and the kitchen. I finally sat down with the owners and said "I know this is going to sound crazy but.." before I finished the sentence they both said "We know, we have a ghost". We started sharing stories and similar things had been happening to them also. The alarm system had started to trip the motion sensors in the back hallway at 3:14 am everyday and had happened so much it would fill up the hard drive. When we would watch the footage all you ever saw was some sort of smudge in the corner of the camera and then it was gone in the next frame. We did some digging and found out that the building was a Cuban grocery in the 80's and the guy had a check cashing place in it also. He was in the process of adding a kitchen when someone crawled down a unfinished vent shaft and murdered him in the area where the back hallway is now.The owners called a "medium" to come and cleanse the place and she said he was angry with me because he saw me as a threat to his authority since it was still his place. She also said she could detect a female in the building and after talking to a retired homicide detective who was a customer we found out that a Chinese lady was also murdered in the building in the 70's. I never believed in ghost but I never worked alone in that kitchen again. Even when one of the owners was there things continued to happen that we both witnessed together so I know it wasn't just my mind!
That's creepy as hell!! Especially the 3:14am part, supposedly 3am is supposed to be the demonic witching hour when ghosts and demons are most active. :shocked:

[MasterShake]

http://i46.tinypic.com/30di25j.jpg

That sh** would freak me right out...

:couch:
Hell yeah!! :shocked:

[RayB]

I used to post in threads like these... :upeyes:

But some butthole would invariably blast in and insult those who shared their experiences; then the mods would robotically lock the thread, thereby punishing the wrong people—i.e., the contributors that shared their stories—by wasting their efforts and time. :shakehead:

So, no more. :dunno:

Score one more for the buttholes! :thumbsup:

--Ray

[MasterShake]

I used to post in threads like these... :upeyes:

But some butthole would invariably blast in and insult those who shared their experiences; then the mods would robotically lock the thread, thereby punishing the wrong people—i.e., the contributors that shared their stories—by wasting their efforts and time. :shakehead:

So, no more. :dunno:

Score one more for the buttholes! :thumbsup:

--Ray
Internet pseudo intellectuals with massive superiority complexes. What else in new on GT? :rofl:

[engineer151515]

http://i46.tinypic.com/30di25j.jpg

That sh** would freak me right out...

:couch:

The real McCoy looks much worse. Less humanoid. Black yet maybe 30% transparent (?). Tough to describe. What you sense in association with it's presence is worse than the visual. It is something that you hope just passes by and ignores you.

[costanza187]

The "thing" I saw, looked similar proportionally to what is in pic, (posted by Hamilton Burger) but not the same. I do not know what it is called :dunno: Some have said it was a "shadow person", but from what I read about those is they are something caught out of the corner of your eye.... I was staring straight on at that "thing".

The "thing" had no visible eyes, in fact no facial features.

The body was more like:
http://www.mediums4u.com/resources/Shadow%20people%202.jpg?timestamp=1295412243211

...but had the one large hand like Hamilton Burger's pic.

I have always wondered if there is a name for what I saw, unless it was a shadow person.

[AZLawDawg]

I've heard the term "shadow material" used when referencing shadowy figures and such.

[Deschain]

The day my wifes grandfather died, I was playing a handheld scrabble game and got the letters ILOVEYO, in that order. Thats my .02.

[VaporLock24]

I'll chime in later with my experiences..

[gwalchmai]

My dad's 100 year old wall clock ran down and stopped at the exact time of his death. I didn't notice it until the next day. It was pretty eerie.

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The Jewish religion is based on the first five books (the Pentateuch) of the Old Testament which Jews believe was written by Moses himself. These five books are referred to as “The Law.” The Sadducees, an elite hereditary class in Jewish society, were the official priests of the Temple and had a religious duty to teach and interpret The Law and to combat attempts by other religions to seduce Jews into worshipping false gods. The Sadducees taught that only the written Law had divine authority. The Sadducees did not believe in the doctrines of resurrection of the body, immortality of the soul, nor the existence of spirits and angels because Moses never mentioned those things in his writings so any such teaching had to be heretical. The Sadducees probably composed many hypothetical stories and situations based on Mosaic Law that ridiculed Christians for believing they would "rise after death." This parable is a Christian gematria riddle that secretely disproves the Sadducees by using their own Mosaic Law against them


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[Hamilton Burger]

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[Hamilton Burger]

You guys are challenging my "skillz" lol.

How's this?

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The Jewish religion is based on the first five books (the Pentateuch) of the Old Testament which Jews believe was written by Moses himself. These five books are referred to as “The Law.” The Sadducees, an elite hereditary class in Jewish society, were the official priests of the Temple and had a religious duty to teach and interpret The Law and to combat attempts by other religions to seduce Jews into worshipping false gods. The Sadducees taught that only the written Law had divine authority. The Sadducees did not believe in the doctrines of resurrection of the body, immortality of the soul, nor the existence of spirits and angels because Moses never mentioned those things in his writings so any such teaching had to be heretical. The Sadducees probably composed many hypothetical stories and situations based on Mosaic Law that ridiculed Christians for believing they would "rise after death." This parable is a Christian gematria riddle that secretely disproves the Sadducees by using their own Mosaic Law against them


The "rabbi" who has posted on this most interesting subject based on my reading is a Sadducee ie does not believes the dead will be resurrected- That is why he is is sad and aparently uncertain of what happens to us after death- That is why Jesus came and took our "sins" inherited from Adam and Eve so that we will have eternal life! My 2 cents which by the way is now worth 10 cents due to inflation :wavey:

You are stone cold dead wrong...and obviously so. It seems everyone knows this except you.

The traditional Judaism of today, is the Same Judaism of the Days of Jesus. Your scriptures flat out call it what it is, Pharisees. I am a traditional Jew.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees

After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Pharisaic beliefs became the liturgical and ritualistic basis for Rabbinic Judaism, which ultimately produced the normative traditional Judaism which is the basis for all contemporary forms of Judaism except for Karaite Judaism.


Again, traditional Judaism is what it is, no matter what you think it should be.

There is no "Jesus" in Judaism. If Christianity never was or went away, nothing about traditional Judaism would change. You cant fit Jesus in Judaism and you cant redefine Judaism to Jews because it doesnt fit your Christian view. These things are true, EVEN IF your faith is right. Again, this is not a religious debate. You are trying to make it one instead of understanding how Judaism sees Judaism.

[Diesel McBadass]

i say we all can the religion debate and just discuss paranormal stuff. I had a awesome ghost thread going once and the religion stuff got it locked, but its a cool topic and want to read more.

That said, never experienced anything paranormal before. And experience/seeing is believing. That said id love to experience it, but just dont believe

[deadmanglocking]

I agree, if you want to debate religion please open another thread for it. I'd really like to keep reading people's stories and not see this locked from all the back and forth arguing.


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[Diesel McBadass]

my parents claim that when i was a little kid id point to a wall and ask who the woman on the phone was. My dads aunt used to live there and had a phone on that wall. It got removed before i was born.

Of course i was little and don't rember it, and kids have wild imaginations.

Im that killjoy skeptic who tries to debunk things, usually heat exange and draftes, alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine cause most weird things. Also, theres that in between between awake and asleep that'll affect things too

[mhambi]

My dad's 100 year old wall clock ran down and stopped at the exact time of his death. I didn't notice it until the next day. It was pretty eerie.

That's eerie and cool at the same time!

Not really 'paranormal', but just weird... in the cemetery I referenced above one of the interred had been hit by a train. His pocket watch somehow ended up embedded in his cheek (face). There was no physical damage to the watch, not even a scratch on the crystal, but it had stopped at the time of impact. Dr. couldn't figure out how it had been smashed into his head w/o any damage.

[duckdog]

Alright, I'll do mine.

I was 17 y/o or so and sitting in my (mom and dad's) living room at just after 2:00 a.m. reading a book. Just over the top of the book I see a poorly defined figure walk out of the family room (from direction of parents' bedroom), into the kitchen and into the utility room where it disappeared. I could make out almost no detail other than a greyish color and a basically human shape. It being late, I was tired and my eyes had been reading for hours I was able to eventually calm and convince myself that it was my imagination....either way I went to bed somewhat shaken. So, no big deal....

I wake the next morning to find my mother and father on the couch with my mom visibly shaken and upset. She recounted that a little after 2:00 a.m. she awoke to find her (deceased) mother (my grandmother) in her room. She watched her mother stand there for a moment, and then pass out of the bedroom and continue on the same course that I saw my figure travel.

Other family members have also reported sightings of her in their own homes; usually in close time proximity. Of all the dead in my large family, she is the only one who was ever "seen" by anyone.

I experienced a similar thing. I woke up at 2am with the realization that my grandmother had died. I did not see her but I knew that she had passed. When I walked into the kitchen the next morning, my parents were at the table grieving. I aske them what time she died, it was exactly when I woke up and 'knew'.
I've been an RN for almost 20 yrs, and worked some home health and hospice during this time. There are things that happen that are unexplainable.

[chewybaca67]

My Ma' lives about 10 feet from the stone fence of an old New Mexican Mission style Church surrounded by a graveyard. Why a Navajo woman would decide to buy a home next to a grave yard was beyond me when she and my step dad bought in 1988. But they did. Anyways, I remember "exploring" there during the day when house sitting there on college breaks, they traveled a lot back then, and the oldest readable tombstone I found was from the 1790s. There are a few others that time has made unreadable. I also found a map in the Anthropology Dept. at UNM (I was an Anthropology major and still consider myself so) which pointed out that the frontage road off of I-25 was the same path that Coranado, I think De Varges and some other conquistador took back in the day.
I never actually saw anything unexplainable, but man, sometimes you hear things that question your sanity. And sometimes I would wake up from a dead sleep wide awake to totally hyper sensitive silence. No bad dreams or nothin' just wide awake out of deep sleep.
Not all experiences were bad. I spent one X-mas there alone and was not depressed, sad or on the pity pot in general. I actually felt like I was in good company. Weird.

[xMyazXtr3me]

Ghost Adventures - Villisca Axe Murder House part 1/3 - YouTube

Check this out. Ive been to this house, and ill tell ya its the creepiest feeling to be inside that house 100 years ago. I had the chills the entire time. I rolled a ball and the ball rolled back to me. There were 6 children and 2 adults brutally murdered in the house. Im going back with a group of friends to stay the night and to do some investigating.

http://www.villiscaiowa.com/the-crime.php

Also, this is a picture that my cousin took when we were there. So creepy.... http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/250951_3800616812062_1205346267_n.jpg

I have a lot of pictures of this house, and the grave sights and all.

[hoven88]

Ghost Adventures - Villisca Axe Murder House part 1/3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekn0dFUE0qU)

Check this out. Ive been to this house, and ill tell ya its the creepiest feeling to be inside that house. I had the chills the entire time. I rolled a ball and the ball rolled back to me. There were 6 children and 2 adults brutally murdered in the house. Im going back with a group of friends to stay the night and to do some investigating.

http://www.villiscaiowa.com/the-crime.php

Also, this is a picture that my cousin took when we were there. So creepy.... http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/250951_3800616812062_1205346267_n.jpg

What is the picture supposed to be showing?

[Diesel McBadass]

The thing with haunted houses, is people go expecting and wanting a paranormal experience, and a desire for something to happen will make it seem to happen. Any other house theres a draft, a haunted house, its a ghost, etc

[xMyazXtr3me]

What is the picture supposed to be showing?

Look closely in the red circle. Its a face...

[xMyazXtr3me]

The thing with haunted houses, is people go expecting and wanting a paranormal experience, and a desire for something to happen will make it seem to happen. Any other house theres a draft, a haunted house, its a ghost, etc

I understand what your saying, but if you were there. You would understand. I didnt expect to experience anything, but i most definitely did.

[hoven88]

Look closely in the red circle. Its a face...
I don't see it, but people seeing faces in things isn't uncommon, in fact there is a name for it... Pareidolia.

And for the record, i do believe in the paranormal.

[xMyazXtr3me]

I don't see it, but people seeing faces in things isn't uncommon, in fact there is a name for it... Pareidolia.

And for the record, i do believe in the paranormal.

I see what i see, and a lot of my family and friends see it too, some dont. Its just how you look at it. I saw it instantly when i saw the picture.

[cdog533]

I am a pragmatic dude, BUT I have had two distinctive supernatural experiences:

#1
In high school, I saw a girl get what I would term to be 'possessed'. She flailed wildly and had the strength of ten men. She was trying to bite everyone with a demonic look in her eyes and could not be held down by 8 guys. Finally, an ad hoc exorcism (done by me) seemed to calm her down. At least 10 people witnessed this and we were all freaked out. Craziest thing I have ever seen.

#2
(As relayed by my mother) When I was two, we were traveling in the mountains of Arizona/New Mexico and went through an Indian Village and eating at a restaurant where a native american woman came up to me, put her hands around my eyes, and whispered something, and left. Two days later, I couldn't see. My tested vision was 20/200 and 20/400. However, over the years my vision got better very slowly. When I was 22 it had returned to 20/20. Was this an Indian curse?


That's it.

[xMyazXtr3me]

I am a pragmatic dude, BUT I have had two distinctive supernatural experiences:

#1
In high school, I saw a girl get what I would term to be 'possessed'. She flailed wildly and had the strength of ten men. She was trying to bite everyone with a demonic look in her eyes and could not be held down by 8 guys. Finally, an ad hoc exorcism (done by me) seemed to calm her down. At least 10 people witnessed this and we were all freaked out. Craziest thing I have ever seen.

#2
(As relayed by my mother) When I was two, we were traveling in the mountains of Arizona/New Mexico and went through an Indian Village and eating at a restaurant where a native american woman came up to me, put her hands around my eyes, and whispered something, and left. Two days later, I couldn't see. My tested vision was 20/200 and 20/400. However, over the years my vision got better very slowly. When I was 22 it had returned to 20/20. Was this an Indian curse?


That's it.

Freakyyyy dude! Especially the first one.


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[samuse]

I've lived in two houses that were known to be haunted.

I never experienced anything, but I was a hardcore alcoholic the whole time.

Maybe the whisky kept all the supernatural stuff away from me.

Ha.

[Panglоss]

First of all, greetings! This is my first post.

I am not really a 'believer' in ghosts/the supernatural. Don't even really believe in god or religion. Call me a skeptic. Though, I do not claim to know for a fact that such things do not exist, and I do not know if I can, so I remain agnostic on these types of issues.

With that said, I did have a rather odd experience.

From time to time I have spent the night at my grandmother's house. It's an older, larger house in an old neighborhood in a big city, with lots of rooms upstairs and a large attic. Every time I have ever stayed there, I got a creepy/eerie vibe in the upstairs part of the house. The downstairs is perfectly nice, normal, and doesn't "feel" at all out of the ordinary. The upstairs is quite different, though I can't really put my finger on what exactly gives the weird vibe upstairs.

One night I was staying upstairs, in a particular bedroom that has always seemed odd to me anytime I had stayed there. This night was no different. When I went to sleep, and for the rest of the night, I had an odd feeling that there was some other presence in the room with me. And I had the feeling that this presence was directly in front of the bed. However, I dismissed it and tried to sleep.

Well, my dog was also with me this time, sleeping in the room with me. Normally he will sleep on the floor or just curl up in the bed with me and sleep (he's a sled dog type). Not that night. He basically spent the entire night in that room sitting at the foot of the bed, upright and alert, letting out a deep growl and staring at the wall in front of the bed. Occasionally during the night he would start barking quite aggressively at which time I woke up and tried to get him to calm down. No dice. This behavior continued all night. He had never behaved this way prior to this one night, and he's never done it since.

The next morning I was explaining this to my Aunt, who lives at the house. She tells me she once saw a "ghost" in that room and has never slept in there since. Her husband, a big gun guy, iron worker, and typical tough guy who is afraid of no one, slept in there one night and was freaked out and refused to ever sleep there again.

[rednoved]

This thread is spooky.

[superhornet]

And, after 165 post responses, once again it just proves that everyone has an opinion. Are there things in this world beyond human understanding ?? Of course and there are many elements of life that there is no explanation for. Super natural is one of them---the other is the futility of arguing what or who's worship or not is the best, or how much we know about it. But, one thing I do know, there is a Santa Claus....

[Panglоss]

And, after 165 post responses, once again it just proves that everyone has an opinion.

People do have opinions, yes. Good that you are here to point that out. Do you have a paranormal experience to contribute?

Are there things in this world beyond human understanding ?? Of course and there are many elements of life that there is no explanation for. Super natural is one of them---the other is the futility of arguing what or who's worship or not is the best, or how much we know about it. But, one thing I do know, there is a Santa Claus....

^^^

More opinion

[gwalchmai]

This thread is spooky.That's racist.

[Beware Owner]

I haven't heard of anyone here who has practiced black magic. Those sure have stories to tell...

[wjv]

Only once was I creep'd out by just being in a house. we were looking to buy a home and went to one house to do a walk through. I couldn't wait to get out of that house. I just felt very strange from the moment we walked through the door. The feeling left the second we walked out of the door. :dunno:

[scprotector1]

I find it hard to believe, but I have experienced it myself. I also know others who are credible sources who have experienced the same things. Interestingly enough, all of the experiences that I had, and the others I know personally who have had are all tied to one location. None of these people I know personally, no myself have experienced "paranormal" activity outside of a certain house. (yes I have heard many claims, but I am talking about people I personally know as in immediate family).

When I was young, we lived in a house where a tragic event occurred. As a child I remember all sorts of crazy "stuff" happening in our house. My parents also saw and heard many of the same things. We had family come to visit before, and for no apparent reason had their bags packed and could not get out of the house fast enough the next morning. (only to find out later that it was because they experienced some of the things we had been seeing and it scared the living H out of them).

My parents were pretty hardcore skeptics or they would have never bought the house to begin with. They actually told the people to whom they sold the house when we moved about the goings on...they buyers did not care, and pretty much wrote it off as nonsense.

Later on, they were like WOW there is some weird "stuff" going on in this house.

I know science tries to explain everything...maybe there is a scientific explanation for what goes on in a "haunted house". I have heard that maybe high levels of CO can cause hallucinations? However, we lived there a few YEARS and none of us died of CO poisoning. I honestly do not know. I cannot PROVE to you that I experienced these things, but I know what happened. Maybe we were all suffering the effects of some chemical, I don't know. I know what I (and others) experienced....maybe science could explain it, maybe it was ghosts/demons/spirits.

I believe a large amount of paranormal claims are hooey, but I also believe that there are some that are genuinely inexplicable. Are there legit ghosts, demons and spirits etc...? I do not know, but I think it is something that cannot be ruled out.

Finally an excellent response from someone who is not a "religious nut" or "scientist" but a RATIONAL THINKER. Thank you. Also it has been proven that high concentrations of electromagnetic fields will cause hallucinations, dizziness, and a feeling of dread. Does this explain everything? No, but it is something to consider.

[scprotector1]

My wife and I lived in a small rental house when we were first married that had poltiergeist type activity. Our guest did not like banannas or loaves of bread anywhere other than neatly lined up on the countertop next to the kitchen sink. We could sit at the kitchen table with our backs to the banannas/bread for a minute or two, and turn around to find them back by the sink again. We'd put them somewhere else and then repeat the process. Repeatedly. It happened with such regularity that we eventually got bored with it.

I love how this type of stuff happens and no one decides to film it...if it happens with such "regularity" why not film it?! Preposterous.

[Mr. Niceguy]

I love how this type of stuff happens and no one decides to film it...if it happens with such "regularity" why not film it?! Preposterous.

Film it with what? This would have been 1992 or so. No cell phones yet, and the old VHS camcorders were ~$1,000 at the time - a pretty goodly sum of money for a poor young couple. I suppose I should have dusted off the old 8mm camera.

[scprotector1]

I dont know if that is what happens but if it is, nothing is nothing. How else would we define the absense of all things? Again, if it is lights out, forever, in a flash....there is no truth to be learned. There is nothing. Simply nothing. Oblivion.

Absolutely. I found this creepy short film on youtube explaining this. Dining Room or There is Nothing - YouTube

Sleep tight folks ;)

[uptomyneck]

One morning six years ago, my wife and I started to wake as the sun was coming up. The two dogs both jerked their heads up and looked at our open bedroom door and when they did, we both heard a woman say, "Sorry." Since we were the only two there, we looked at each other and both said, "WTF?"

I grabbed the G29 to clear the house. I checked every room and found nothing. I come back to the bedroom and my wife asks me if I saw anything. I put the gun back on the nightstand and told her "no" and as I turned around, a woman was standing right next to me. She was about 5' tall and had no face, just a form. I screamed and jumped back and it was gone. My wife saw her too.

We still talk about it and we still have no idea what it was. I was kinda hoping my ex had died and before she was sent to hell, she had to tell us she was sorry for being such a POS. But of course it wasn't her.

[Beware Owner]

http://i46.tinypic.com/30di25j.jpg

That sh** would freak me right out...

:couch:

Did you draw that?

[RetailNinja]

Been in a few 'haunted' cemeteries, lurked around a few unmarked 'poor farm' graves, never seen anything but tombstones, beer cans, OLD liquor bottles and my own reflection. One of the 'haunted' ones seems to have an interesting feature in that I've never seen an animal in it, or animal scat. It took me a few years to notice it.

I'm pretty sure I caught the tail end of two dudes banging in it one night. Middle of night, two guys in sweat shirts in pajama pants randomly parked along side it were walking back to their vehicles. Claimed to be visiting a dead relative, though they were unrelated, and gave me a name of someone not buried there. I went back the next afternoon and looked for weed grows or hunting sign and found none.

[Hamilton Burger]

Did you draw that?

Yes, why? :embarassed:

Have you seen something like him?

[blk69stang]

Ok, here's mine.

I'm originally from Maine, and the fall of 1998 was my first semester away at college in Arizona, and also my first real time away from home. As such, I was pretty close with family, and called home pretty much daily. My grandfather was not in the greatest of health, and while it was really only a matter of time, we all thought that it would not be as soon as it was.

Anyway, the night it happened, I went to bed like any other night. In the wee hours of the morning, something like 3:00 am, I woke up and sat bolt upright in bed, sobbing. Somehow I *knew* that he had died. As I began to wake up a bit more, I shrugged it off as a bad dream, and felt pretty silly. I figured I was just worried about his health and had a bad dream as a result. I went back to sleep. Later that morning, I got a call from my parents, and they told me they had bad news. Before they told me what the bad news was, I interrupted them: "Grampie Gus passed away, didn't he?" They were a little surprised with my response, but told me that yes, he had passed. "What time?" I asked. Obviously, this is not the normal reaction from someone who's just been told a close family member has died. They were a bit puzzled by my question, but answered it nonetheless. Turns out, he passed away at something like 6:00 AM... which considering the three hour time-zone difference, was almost EXACTLY the same time I woke up in bed the night before. Both my parents and I were pretty weirded out by it.

I have pretty much been a firm skeptic all my life (and not terribly religious... perhaps you could describe me as raised Catholic, but now sort of non-denominational Christian bordering on Agnostic) but I really believe something happened that night. I don't know if it's just some type of telepathic connection between close family, or if my grandfather's "spirit" visited me to say goodbye, or what... but I now feel that there is a good chance that there is more to this life than science can currently explain.

FWIW, my son (and first child) was born back this past July. We named him Gus, after my departed grandfather.

[Beware Owner]

Yes, why? :embarassed:

Have you seen something like him?

Actually, yes. I don't curse, but I said a big WTF when I saw that drawing. Took be back some years.

[CBennett]

i think its all crap. Been at gettysburg even right to/in devils den at night never saw,heard,felt anything wierd/strange. Im one of those ive got to experience it to believe and never have so i call BS on paranormal junk.

[blk69stang]

I just remembered another one from back home in Maine.

In the area I grew up (very rural northern Maine) there are abandoned cemeteries scattered all over the countryside. I guess they are the only remnants of "ghost towns" that went belly-up back in the day. Some are unmaintained, but some are still occasionally mowed by surviving family members.

One such "abandoned" cemetery (the kind that got mowed about once a year just to keep the forest from consuming it) was located abutting a dirt two-track that goes from Houlton to Linneus. The most recent date on any headstone I could read was about 1910 or so. Most graves dated from the 1860's and earlier. The two-track was one of those roads my brother and I used to take the 4x4 Ford Ranger down to have a good time "boonie-bouncing". On two occasions, my brother and I would have a mechanical breakdown right next to the cemetery. This Ranger was known to eat ignition modules, so we carried a spare (along with the special thin-wall socket needed to change it) in the glove box. Once, we stopped to walk the cemetery to look at the headstones. When we got back in the truck, it wouldn't start. Fried ignition module. We were glad to have a spare. The second breakdown, we were just driving past and had no intention of stopping... until the rear u-joint let go, and the truck dropped the driveshaft right there in the road... EXACTLY in front of the cemetary... in the middle of the night. Let's just say we both looked at each other, then wasted no time in grabbing the tools, unbolting the remains of the driveshaft, tossing it in the bed of the pickup, and driving out of there in front wheel drive (we put it in 4x4 and hit the gas, rear driveshaft or no rear driveshaft).

Not quite as powerful as my later experience described in my previous post, but a freaky coincidence nonetheless.

[CBennett]

The thing with haunted houses, is people go expecting and wanting a paranormal experience, and a desire for something to happen will make it seem to happen. Any other house theres a draft, a haunted house, its a ghost, etc

^^ exactly, my kid is into the ghost thing so i dont discourage him. We go on those ghost walks/hunts at old battlefields and cemetaries. Ive been in groups where people swear they saw,felt,experienced something but i was within 10 feet and neither me(a non beleiver)nor my son who beleives in ghosts experienced anything..so i think these people get so worked up that any leaf falling from a tree, and slight breeze, and noise HAS to be a ghost.

[Hamilton Burger]

blk69stang's reminds me of my own great-grandmother's story...

It was (iirc) 1944 and her son (my mom's uncle Bud, a notorious bar fighter and all around tough-guy) was in the Navy. One night she awoke in the wee hours to find her son, who was supposedly at sea, crying at her bedside. Alarmed at this, she got up and comforted him as best she could, but couldn't get a word out of him other than "mama". Eventually she drifted off to sleep again.

No news for months, and though she feared the worst she didn't let on to the rest of her family. When he finally came home on leave he said that around the time in question he had just killed his first enemy combatant, and that before expiring the man had been yelling something that sounded like "Mama!"

Uncle Bud
http://i47.tinypic.com/dmw70j.jpg

Flash forward to '62. Same uncle is in the hospital losing his battle with Lou Gehrig's. My great-grandma wakes up in the middle of the night to find him once again at her bedside, this time smiling down at her. She sat up and he told her everything was just fine, go back to sleep - which she somehow did. It was after 8am when the call came from the hospital that he had passed in the night. :dunno:

[Hamilton Burger]

Actually, yes. I don't curse, but I said a big WTF when I saw that drawing. Took be back some years.

Tell us, man! :impatient:

[Stang_Man]

That drawing reminds me of Slenderman, tons of stories about that guy but none by me

[xMyazXtr3me]

That drawing reminds me of Slenderman, tons of stories about that guy but none by me

You ever play the slenderman game? It's creepy lol. They now have an app on the apple app store.


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[Averageman]

My Dad and I had a really rocky sometimes destructive, sometimes violent relationship right up until I joined the Army. I was pretty upset when he left my Mother for another Woman,..well a very young woman actually.
Dad came and saw me during Family Day at AIT and we kind of made up. Years go by with little contact and I get a letter from him. He seemed pretty upset in the letter and it seemed that my lack of contact with him really upset him.
Unbeknowst to me he had gotten sick and pretty much understood this was the end for him.
The letter was pretty sad and didn't really come off right (I'm sure it was pretty hard to write) and I had a lot going on bad in my own life at the time, so sadly I blew it off, tore up the letter and forgot about it.
Dad died, no Red Cross message, no call, no contact from anyone...nothing.
But,
I had a crazy dream one night that someone came and sat on the end of my Bunk and told me not to worry, everything will be fine and it is all okay now.
A couple of days go by and I get the letter from my Mom telling me my Dad had died.
I call my Mother and She explained it must have been my Dad and that he came to me to say goodbye.
I know now life is pretty complicated and being Dad isnt easy at all, when I see him again I will appologise and I know I will see him again.

[Hamilton Burger]

BTTT....

....and my allergies are killing me!



eta:

My dad and I hadn't seen each other or even spoken much for at least 8 or 9 years when I found out through an aunt that he was really sick. I was able to see him before he passed, but not long enough to say all that needed saying.

Later, he appeared in a series of dreams, 3 in a month tapering off to once in a blue moon, that left me with an understanding that nothing really needed said... a dad already knows.

[GWG19]

While I was touring Shiloh, I had my two Chow Chows ith me. We crossed the creek and walked up to cannons where the Confederates had charged head long in to slaughter. Both dogs got real antsy, my red chow walked towards the back of the cannons growling, the other one ducked behind me. My red Chow then starts wagging her tail, sniffing and stretching towards open air like she greeting somebody. Weird! The blond chow then lightened up and advanced to see what was going on. I felt nothing, saw nothing but the red chow sensed something. Very creepy. I promptly left the area and continued the tour.

[crazycooter91]

I took the ghost tour in Key West, earlier this year. One part of the tour, they took us to the East Martello fort/museum. They have a doll in the museum that supposedly has some kind of curse (Robert the doll). When we went to this part of the museum, this doll's toy was on his left side but when I glanced back before we left, it was on his right side. Maybe I was seeing things due to being "worked up", but my step dad who was with me claimed to see the same thing. I also got an orb in one of my pictures there but lost it when my previous computer crashed.

I am still kind of skeptical of ghosts/paranormal but I keep an open mind to the fact that it may be real.

[crimdelacrim]

at 1 point "scientists" jumped up and down swearing that the earth was flat. just because you can't prove something right now dosen't mean it won't ever be proven.

i loathe scientific zealots just as much as i hate religious zealots. everybody needs to knock off the "THIS IS THE WAY IT IS AND THAT'S THE END OF IT!" attitudes.

as human beings we are nothing more than cells that makes up the flea that rides the dog that's living in just 1 yard, so on and so forth.

Thought you and gt might like this

Was watching a loch ness special on the internet somewhere. Not saying I really believe in loch ness or anything...but..

The special interviewed a scientist that has worked loch ness for the majority of his professional carrer. He was not a crazy and seemed to be very normal. He shot down every piece of evidence and reason that something big lived in the loch. He verbally admitted that he firmly believed that nothing was in the lake. This was interesting...since his camera with a zoom lens never left his side. The interviewers asked why he had a camera. He has carried the camera every day for years "just in case." hahaha. I need to find that special again.

[racer11]

I never believed in ghost story's until I had my own experience.

It was at my Grandmothers farm house near Fairplay, Missouri (for the Missouri GTers)

Summer before my experience (1958 or 59), my mother was visiting and sleeping upstairs,,something woke her up and she looked out in the room and could see the figure of a man of short stature in coveralls. It freaked her out and she grabbed her bedding and ran down stairs and spent the rest of the night on the couch. She told her story to my Grandma in the morning and Grandma replied to her that she was goofy.

Year later during the summer I was in the same room sleeping and something woke me up suddenly !! I can not explain the sense of presence around me,,, it was the most overwhelming feeling I have ever had. But there was no doubt to me that something was looking at me,,,I layed in bed just frozen afraid to move. I did not know what to do really,,,during that time I could hear some litle faint noises like something being moved around,,,things that go bump in the night kind of noise. I don't know how long I just layed there but I finally decided to just make a sudden run for the stairs. I got up the courage and bolted out of bed and ran for my life and made it down stairs. I woke my mom up and told her that something was up there.

30 years later I was at a family renuion and I brought up the farm house and the ghost I experienced. By that time my mother was passed and grandmother was passed as well. My cousins all saw the ghost and they told me that my Grandmother saw it twice,,their sightings were after my experience. I was the only one that did not see the ghost but felt its presence. It was a feeling I can never explain in common description and I feeling I will never forget.

I want to go back to that house and talk to the owners and see if they have ever seen what we saw.

[MB-G26]

I used to post in threads like these... :upeyes:

But some butthole would invariably blast in and insult those who shared their experiences; then the mods would robotically lock the thread, thereby punishing the wrong people—i.e., the contributors that shared their stories—by wasting their efforts and time. :shakehead:

So, no more....

IIRC from one or more previous years, you were willing to PM those who requested it the information you would otherwise have posted?

If IIC, I would appreciate you sharing your experience with me back-channel.
Thanks.

[crimdelacrim]

I experienced a similar thing. I woke up at 2am with the realization that my grandmother had died. I did not see her but I knew that she had passed. When I walked into the kitchen the next morning, my parents were at the table grieving. I aske them what time she died, it was exactly when I woke up and 'knew'.
I've been an RN for almost 20 yrs, and worked some home health and hospice during this time. There are things that happen that are unexplainable.

Ok this is actually very similar to what happened to me. Again, I don't know if I believe in ghosts or anything but this happened to me just a few years back and is completely true. You may just say it is coincidence.

I had a dream that I was going to the bathroom down the hall in my great grandmother's nursing home (she was around 102 years old I believe). I walked out of the bathroom down the hall and into her room. My family was in her room looking sad and said she is "gone." I woke up the next day, bewildered by the dream's randomness and specificity. It is hard to explain. I carried on and went over to a friend's house.

I got a call from my mom. Gran was unconscious and was not responding. We got in the car and drove to my mom's home town. She was laying in bed and taking weird, labored breaths and appeared as if she was sleeping...except she couldn't be woken. The nurses said they see this sometimes...Nobody knew what to do. We all sat around her and prayed and cried. As we stood up and discussed what we should do next if there was anything we COULD do, I decided to excuse myself to the bathroom because we had just gotten out of a car after a somewhat long trip. She had been breathing like this for a good while and I thought surely she would not go while I stepped out for a minute. I went down the hall and didn't even think about the dream the night before.

I got back to the room and everyone was standing in the exact same place they were in my dream...no longer discussing what they were when I had left the room.

She had died moments before.

[r3dot]

great stories. sub'd

[MrGlock21]

But to each his own.

I support anyone who wants to believe whatever they want. As long as they don't try to push their views on me. However, that is exactly what happens in organized religions. I get people knocking on my door. I get laws passed based on what "God wants." Heck, even for little things like no alcohol sales on Sundays, God's will. And it gets more serious when God is telling our president what to do....and of course telling us what kind of science our children are or are not allowed to learn.

Sorry, but this discussion naturally leads right into religion and politics. Can of worms here.

But again, I'll support anyone's right to believe. Until they push it on me.

No you don't. Not really. You won't support anyone's right to believe. Your lack of self awareness is sad. At best, you tolerate, because you have to, in a framework of non violent civilisation at least.

No matter what anybody believes, being it the Good Lord of the Bible, Buddha ...or the Spaghettimonster in Secularia, will translate into behaviour and actions accordingly. So unless somebody else believes exactly the same as you do, there will always be friction and a "push it on me".

Don't be thin skinned. Religious people knocking on your door? Big deal. Do you despise sales men in equal measure?

[MrGlock21]

I never believed in ghost story's until I had my own experience.

....

On the same note… I never “believed” in demons until I witnessed and collaborated in someone’s genuine exorcism.
And it isn’t even a matter of ”believe”, because BELIEVE suggests an interpretation based on structured faith. Nor is it perception, because it is more than eye & ear “nerve-experience”. It is discernment. That’s the closest I can get with words.
Language is a lousy tool to describe and cope with supernatural/spiritual/meta-physical entities. So I digress :wavey:

[JuneyBooney]

:hugs: :hearts: :kiss:

:fred::angel:

[SMOKEin]

I never looked into anything like this, but is the odd ability to know the unknown at times, "paranormal"?

For example, when we are sitting here and for no reason one was to tell his wife what the daily pick 3 numbers will be and they come in right then? Or when someone turns to his wife and says "XYZ" is going to call and it happens. If I was to try and do anything on purpose, I couldn't. But when it just pops into my head, its almost always right.

Freaks my wife out to the point that I don't say what I "think" is going to happen anymore, but she often catches a look on my face and ask's if I knew that was going to happen. I must be a superhero and now realize it.

[Hawaiiglock]

I have a chance to add more details to mine to keep this discussion going.

In our house (I was a child, but some things you do not forget) I remember seeing a small black man with a great big hand. I would estimate his body size to be that of maybe an old school GI Joe but one of his hands was the size of a baseball glove. He had no facial features he was completely black. (strange thing is I was talking to somebody else 20+ years after the fact and she said she had seen something similar in her house 250 miles away). I only saw this creepy little guy once, but he made an impression on me. I am the only one in the house who saw this thing. I was so freaked out by this thing that I left the room, and I swear I heard the footsteps behind me as I ran to my parents room.

[Enter my parents as witnesses to the story] I ran into my parents bedroom and told them there was something in my room and the told me to go back to bed. They heard me walk back down the hall and close my door. My dad said something to my mom about what was going on. That's when I replied, I don't want to go back to my room. They were like WTH we heard somebody walk back down the hall and go back into your room!?

Foot steps and noises like that were common occurrences in the house. Sometimes people heard weird howling noises. Sometimes the noises were very loud. There were crashing sounds, sounds of glass shattering. We had a big chandelier in the living room, and we heard it crash to the ground (or so we thought) it was a loud awful noise and you could hear everything breaking. My dad went in to investigate... NOTHING had happened. That kind of stuff happened a lot.

There were vast temperature changes in the house, and they seemed to be related to the odd happenings. Usually around the time some of this weird "stuff" was happening the temperature would drop sharply. These happenings were often accompanied by a strong smell of lilac... who knows what that was all about.

There were weird power issues in the house. Lights would turn on by themselves, stereo would come on by itself. The lights turning off and on by themselves was a very common thing. We were gone on vacation and our neighbor later asked about the "timers" on our lights. My parents were like we don't have those. Our neighbor didn't believe them because he had been seeing the lights turn on and off regularly in our house while we were gone.

The thing that ran the guests off was the physical encounters. People have been shoved and choked in the house. For example, my mom was standing on the stairs, and said the felt two hands give her a push down the stairs while home alone. There was NOBODY in the house to do this to her. In another incident my grandfather, was attacked by something one night. He said he was sleeping and felt actual hands around his neck. He fought it off, but could not see anything. This kept happening over and over.

One could say we are a bunch of crazy people. Who knows, that may be true. However, none of us involved had ever had an experience such as this before living or visiting this house. None of the us have had any such experiences outside of this house. All of these odd happenings are tied to this ONE location.

Whether or not there was some sort of ghost/entity/spirit/poltergeist, I cannot say. I know there was something going on. Maybe science could explain it, but it leads me to believe that there was something paranormal actually happening. If science can explain it, I would be really happy to hear what they have to say. (I have heard that high CO levels in a house can cause hallucinations) I tend to doubt that explanations, the lights and stuff were witnessed by people OUTSiDE the house.


Funny you mentioned flowers, it brought back memories of a weird experience that I had.

It was 1 or 2 in the morning and I was headed to my girlfriends house to spend the night. I was traveling on a road that had very few houses and no street lights. As I came around a curve in the road I saw a tall dark shadow (like 6'+) standing on the shoulder of the road. I blinked and it was gone. I thought it was just my eyes playing tricks on me, but just as I was shrugging it off the most intense smell of a local flower (Pikake) suddenly came into the air. It was so strong it was almost sickening, even if my car was filled floor to roof with flowers I don't think it could have given off the aroma that I was smelling. The smell stayed strong for about a 1/4 mile then totally disappeared. It wasn't scary but just plain weird.

[Dennis in MA]

Thought you and gt might like this

Was watching a loch ness special on the internet somewhere. Not saying I really believe in loch ness or anything...but..

The special interviewed a scientist that has worked loch ness for the majority of his professional carrer. He was not a crazy and seemed to be very normal. He shot down every piece of evidence and reason that something big lived in the loch. He verbally admitted that he firmly believed that nothing was in the lake. This was interesting...since his camera with a zoom lens never left his side. The interviewers asked why he had a camera. He has carried the camera every day for years "just in case." hahaha. I need to find that special again.

There is no Loch Ness Monster. . . anymore.


In 1985, I woke up from a deep sleep and it was damp and cool in my bedroom, which was weird because it was the middle of summer. There was this odd smell like freshly caught fish.

I sat up and there was the Loch Ness Monster, sitting sad in the corner. "Bye, Dennis," he said. "It's going to be OK. I'm in a better place." And he disappeared.

I knew right then that the Loch Ness Monster was dead. Sad day.

[gwalchmai]

There is no Loch Ness Monster. . . anymore.


In 1985, I woke up from a deep sleep and it was damp and cool in my bedroom, which was weird because it was the middle of summer. There was this odd smell like freshly caught fish.

I sat up and there was the Loch Ness Monster, sitting sad in the corner. "Bye, Dennis," he said. "It's going to be OK. I'm in a better place." And he disappeared.

I knew right then that the Loch Ness Monster was dead. Sad day.Bigfoot old me that this is an internet myth, and it's really ManBearPig in your dreams impersonating Nessie.

[sarge83]

My parents house built in 1982 is haunted. Now if you believe fine if you don't fine. Until it happens to you I can see where someone would say it's all hokum. We moved into this house in 1982 after it was built and up to that point had never had any issue of ghosts or haunting.

Upon moving in after about a month I would be awakened to my bed being gently shaken. It happened several times and I finally told my Mom about it and she blew it off as me dreaming. Finally one night it happened with me laying on my side and I am wide awake and its shaking gently as always. I thought am I dreaming? No, so to confirm I pinched myself--yep definitely awake! After a couple of minutes I finally jumped up and said stop! Nothing was there and it never happened again.

Later on my parents would wake us up checking to see if we were ok in the wee hours of the morning after hearing crashing sounds in the kitchen only to find us fast asleep and everything in order. We hear doors open and close and people walking in the kitchen, get up and nothing there.

We had my Dad's brother and his wife come and stay shortly after building the house and they were placed in my bedroom for the night. We said nothing about any activity. The next morning both came to breakfast with strange looks on their faces and asked about strange activity in that room. My Mom asked what happened? They replied something happened but we would rather not say and didn't and have never spent the night in the house again.

We have had neighbors, relatives and friends all witness just weird stuff. Lights turning off by themselves and you hear the switch being flicked. Only one person in the house and catching the shadow of someone walking by your doorway, calling out to no reply, then checking and finding you are alone. My Mom hearing Mom called out in the middle of the night with no kids in the house. Mom breaking stuff in the kitchen and sweeping and vacuuming all the glass up to get up the next morning only to find a chunk of the glass she had vacuumed and swept laying prominently in another room with a 90 degree angle in the middle of a table.

Myself and sister have had cases in our bedrooms where you lay down, turn the light out on the night stand and within 30 seconds of your head hitting the pillow something slaps the pillow right next to your ear, you feel the impact and the air passing by your head, scares the crap out of you!

I was visiting my parents and a friend was there a couple of yrs. ago and me, my friend and Mom were in the kitchen. I was in one corner doing something, my Mom in another corner at the sink and my friend at another corner of the kitchen with a eating table between us. Suddenly my friend grabs her shorts and whirls around and looks at me and said which kid was just in here? None, just us I replied. Then how did you get over there so fast and grinning she says why did you do that? I said I haven't moved and you would have heard me anyway and what did I do? My Mom is leaning over her shoulder with her hands in dish water going what happened? My friend says something just came in here at thigh level and nearly yanked my shorts down. My Mom and I just grinned and said I guess the ghost likes you girl and wanted to see a full moon. She was shook up to say the least.

We have had items disappear and stay gone for years and turn up in odd ball places. My wife and I when we first got married lived there for 6 months and I told her about some of the stuff and she was like yeah right, she was a big skeptic. One night she came out of the bathroom and looked to her left and saw at the end of the hallway the outline of a person, a man she said standing in the door way looking in another room, but she could only see from the waist up. She tore down the other end of the hallway, slammed our bedroom door and hit the bed and practically tried to crawl under me in the bed. I heard her story, checked and nothing there.

It's strange it will be quiet for months and then activity will start up and then trail off. It doesn't feel malevolent or anything, just like it wants you to know its there.

[Hamilton Burger]

Decided not to post the whole sordid story... here is the pic:

http://i47.tinypic.com/15ea42g.jpg

[hoven88]

Decided not to post the whole sordid story... here is the pic:

http://i47.tinypic.com/15ea42g.jpg

Well now we need to hear the rest of the story

[Hamilton Burger]

Well now we need to hear the rest of the story

Either my son or I have posted it before. Not much to it other than ???

He & I were out front on a moonless night with the telescope and camera, looking at Jupiter, etc. While glassing with the camera I realized that someone was just a few feet away, standing near the middle of the street, not making a sound. I was slightly startled... enough that I forgot my trigger control and tripped the shutter in auto mode, which fired the flash. As I started to apologize for screwing up our night vision, another WTF moment... the camera shut itself off and we found that Boo Radley had disappeared from the scene as quietly as he had appeared.

This is a dead-end street, at the top of a hill, with no view of the river (or town, for that matter) from the street. Nobody just strolls around up here, especially in the black of night. It certainly wasn't one of the neighbors. The focus is weird too, seems more defined towards the bottom. Looks like sweatpants and stocking feet? :headscratch:

There were also some odd reflections.
The original photo:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ez352x.jpg

[r3dot]

That is creepily awesome.

What's the yellow light to the right?

[costanza187]

:wow:

You aren't putting us on, are you? That is like just wow.

[hoven88]

Very creepy

[Hamilton Burger]

The barn across the street:

http://i48.tinypic.com/auupw5.jpg

You can sort of see the house next to it, behind its screen of trees.
This is the direction I shot:

http://i45.tinypic.com/6f5lds.jpg

Just to round things out, here is a night shot of the house nextdoor:

http://i45.tinypic.com/6p6z6g.jpg

Now for a sad little story about the people nextdoor...

When we moved here we couldn't help but notice that someone had spray painted the pavement at the entrance to our block, a curb-to-curb message reading "SLOW DOWN! CHILDREN AT PLAY!" When I mentioned it to an acquaintance I was told that our nextdoor neighbors had been doggedly harassed for years by a man down the street I'll call Red.

Among other issues, Red was positively rabid about them allegedly speeding past his house. He called the police on them, recorded video of them, even lobbied the city council for a speed bump. Ironically, some time after Red painted the message in the street, the neighbor's son was run down and killed while crossing the highway in front of the local Burger King.

The neighbor put his house on the market and moved. It had stood empty for nearly two years when I took that crazy shot.

[Road Dog]

Here's one of mine. I was in college 2.5 hours away from home. Before going away to school I had lived with my grandparents. One night I had a dream that my Grandmother was yelling for me. I could tell something was wrong just by her voice.

The next afternoon when my classes were over I called home. I asked my mother if everything was alright. I got the "everything is fine" story but she told me to come home that weekend.

So I go home and find out that night of the dream my Grandmother had fallen out of bed and broke her hip. She was in the mid-stage of either Parkinson's or Alzhiemers and did not talk at the time. I will never forget that.

[vart]

Bumped... Watching some new ghosthunter show with high-tech rednecks...

[Revvv]

I know this theme becomes popular this time of year. But, there are no such things as ghosts. There are fallen angels that impersonate ghosts.

You are correct, ghosts are not real. There are demons and angels, but no dead people.

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[Revvv]

http://i46.tinypic.com/30di25j.jpg

That sh** would freak me right out...

:couch:

Looks like a miniature hellboy.

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[SpitFyRRe]

Again, what makes a location paranormally "hot?" HH

I'm only on page 3 and I'm not sure if this question was answered and how much time I have before I get blocked at work but a "hot" spot is one with high amounts of reported incidents; things like EVP recordings, odd pictures, heat signatures, or even physical touches.

I am religious and I do believe in spirits. My mom used to live in a haunted house. They always had weird things happen, they could swear someone was walking around in the attic, loud thumps when no one was home, lights turning off all the time, none of the roommate's significant others would stay the night there because it was "creepy" etc. One time,my mom and her roommate were home alone and they heard a scream in the attic along with some thumps and dragging noises so they called the police. The cops showed up, went to check it out, came out of the attic, faces white, and wouldn't say anything other than "You guys really should move out of this house as soon as possible".

We briefly lived in a haunted apple orchard where objects would move, TV's would turn on or off or change channels while you were watching, and I don't remember it but apparently my brother and I used to talk to an old man we named Sam (we were 6 and 4).

I just think there are things out there that science and religion can't explain.

[glocktecher]

I really do need to share this because it has been happening for a long time and it is happening as I type this.

I have hoped & prayed it would go away but it will not.


Whenever I am on GlockTalk, an ad for a Gov't Motors Chevy truck keeps popping up and starts to crawl up from the bottom of my computer screen.

I tell it to "close", but no matter what we say or do, it will not go away.

Try sleeping with that.:shocked:

[sglock45]

Subd for when i get home from work

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[Cybercowboy]

I took the ghost tour in Key West, earlier this year. One part of the tour, they took us to the East Martello fort/museum. They have a doll in the museum that supposedly has some kind of curse (Robert the doll). When we went to this part of the museum, this doll's toy was on his left side but when I glanced back before we left, it was on his right side. Maybe I was seeing things due to being "worked up", but my step dad who was with me claimed to see the same thing. I also got an orb in one of my pictures there but lost it when my previous computer crashed.

I am still kind of skeptical of ghosts/paranormal but I keep an open mind to the fact that it may be real.

Oh yeah, Robert is creepy as hell.

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/Cybercowboy1961/dscn0461.jpg

http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx125/Cybercowboy1961/robert2.jpg

[Jason D]

I don't believe in ghosts, however several in my family do.


Late last year I had to have an old cat put down. She was a Russian Blue and with me for over 15 years. I have seen her three times now since she died. Every single time it was with the lights low and out of the corner of my eye. I see her just long enough for my brain to register her specifically and when I swing my head to look there is of course nothing there to see.

So I believe my mind is playing tricks on me in the low light and shadows, because I want her to be there. Instead of her actually haunting me.

[Magnus2131]

Decided not to post the whole sordid story... here is the pic:


http://i47.tinypic.com/15ea42g.jpg

Carrying a skateboard?

[Hamilton Burger]

Carrying a skateboard?

You see a skateboard?!? :rofl:

I thought it was holding an old-fashioned GDO? :dunno:

[Hamilton Burger]

Another little story for you:

My dad passed away in October of '99 due to complications from lung cancer.

One day in 2010...
My wife had gone to work in the morning. Having worked late the night before I was sleeping a little late.
I was awakened from a sound sleep by what I easily recognized as my dad's voice, not shouting, but distinctly and forcefully saying my name. It certainly got my attention, but I've dreamt of him before so I wasn't really bothered.

Flash forward 3~4 months...
In December of 2010 my wife of 25 years ran off with another dude, one of her coworkers.

A year later...
The old notebook fried, and I switched to a neat little netbook, uploading backup files etc. Sometime in '12 I set about thinning out hundreds of old saved emails. Found some correspondence between her and her BF from mid-2010 detailing some of their "lunch-hour activities" :puking:

It almost looks like Dad knew what she was up to as it was happening and tried to alert me.

[Dennis in MA]

Looks like a miniature hellboy.

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All I know is, he's left-handed, if you know what I mean. LOL


We briefly lived in a haunted apple orchard where objects would move, TV's would turn on or off or change channels while you were watching, and I don't remember it but apparently my brother and I used to talk to an old man we named Sam (we were 6 and 4).


I lived in a haunted cardboard box in the middle of the road. I think it was haunted. Our father beat us so much, I don't remember, but we were happy!

[Diesel McBadass]

still think most "paranormal stuff is a mix of desire to belive, infrasound and transitional sleep periods.

[Hamilton Burger]

I just noticed yesterday that I had an old PM I'd never read, from a GT member who is affiliated with several paranormal research groups.

Unfortunately I can't see an investigation turning up much...

I only have the pic already shown.

We only saw the thing once in the 6 years we've been in this house.

While the ghost-cat thing has happened maybe 3 times, Diesel's idea of transitional sleep states is (imo) the most likely explanation.

[KevinFACE]

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ez352x.jpg

I see about 50 of these a day in downtown Dallas.

They're called "transients" if you want to be PC.

If you're me you just call 'em meth-heads/bums/whatever.

[Hamilton Burger]

I see about 50 of these a day in downtown Dallas.

They're called "transients" if you want to be PC.

If you're me you just call 'em meth-heads/bums/whatever.

This ain't downtown Dallas.

...this is a dead-end street, at the top of a hill, with no view of the river (or town, for that matter) from the street. Nobody just strolls around up here, especially in the black of night.

Even the kids down the street are too lazy to hike up here for candy on Halloween. Haven't seen any meth head/bums up here other than my wife's bf, who avoids me like the plague.

[Green Mountain Boy]

My family and I experienced a rather terrifying Paranormal EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon) set of events that started several years ago. It began several years ago, and continues to afflict us to this day. I never believed in EVP before this happened, and I haven't posted this story anywhere but here. It actually bothers me to discuss it here, but I will try.

I don't claim to fully understand EVP. I've never experienced it anywhere before this one case.

This particular EVP creature seems to be malevolent, so I assume this particular case is sinister or "evil" in nature. Thus, I will claim that an "evil" EVP presence has invaded our lives repeatedly over the last several years, and continues to harass us, and interrupts our days and nights to this day. I still remember the first time as if it were last night...

Let me be clear here, though. This EVP creature hasn't yet appeared before me in person. It appears to me via our radios or audible devices, and sometimes appears as one of several of its forms as a video image. This creature never has appeared to us in person, but constantly invades us through EVP. It is truly depressing.

I wouldn't say this evil presence takes the form of a man, yet it clearly isn't a woman either. The best word I can use to describe it is "creature". I have seen it. My family has seen it. Even our neighbors have seen it, at times when they have been with us. We have also all heard it.

Please allow me to describe the creature and what it does. If your children are reading this, please avert their attention, or move along to the next post. This is a serious issue.

As best I can say, this "creature" is a rather tall, slender, serpentine figure with large, ominous teeth, and an eery smile. Its coloring is inexplicable, often seemingly to be both half-black, yet half-white as well. It often shifts color to blend in more closely to its surroundings, like a humanoid chameleon. Sometimes, it appears to be more white, other times to be more black. Sometimes it inexplicably shifts to brown, or some other color.

Its voice is solemn, slow, often methodical, and usually eery. It has a condescending tone. It tries to form English words into strings of logic, but usually cannot construct logical thoughts... they are usually just strings of ominous and confusing or conflicting phrases. It is very strange, indeed.

Against our will, and unwelcome to us, this "creature" generates sounds that resemble English language. We hear its voice, and its attempts at logic, but it usually makes no sense.

Though we have done it no wrong, and really don't know what it is... it often appears to be hateful or spiteful towards us, for no apparent reason. More frighteningly, it often appears to be attempting to deceive us, or harm us, or persuading us to do things against our will!

The resonance of this eery voice keeps inexplicably ranting to us through our televisions, radios, car stereos, and even sometimes computers.

Whenever I see it appear now, I simply turn off the device ASAP!





Oh wait, this started in 2008. I'm just realized I'm probably talking about what everyone calls Obama.

That was fantastic

[Gunboat1]

Old thread, but like several others, when Rabbi starts talking, I start learning. Seems like a really well-grounded guy.

[BEANCOUNTER]

...While glassing with the camera I realized that someone was just a few feet away, standing near the middle of the street, not making a sound. I was slightly startled... enough that I forgot my trigger control and tripped the shutter in auto mode, which fired the flash.

Wow. Spooky pic.

By chance were you using a Kodak DX6490 Zoom Digital camera that night? :supergrin:

[eccho]

I dont know what is more direct than "What makes your supernatural claims true and someone elses false...because there are faiths, older than your own, that make the same claims you do...."

The best you have answered so far is "Their supernatural claims are demons...and my(faiths) supernatural powers got rid of them..."

So, what do you say about the Hindu Priest, a faith far older than yours, who is sitting around telling someone "Yes, ghosts are real, I have personal experience with them...."

Dude, this is a "supernatural story thread" not a religious debate thread.

I have my own beliefs, but I don't come to this thread to challenge other people.

You can tell me you were haunted by visions of meatballs and cried out to the church of the flying spaghetti monster for help, and I'll say, "Cool story bro."

You can tell me your the Pope.

It would be disappointing to see this turn into a big argument.

[eccho]

That was fantastic

Holy crap dude

[AZLawDawg]

Either my son or I have posted it before. Not much to it other than ???

He & I were out front on a moonless night with the telescope and camera, looking at Jupiter, etc. While glassing with the camera I realized that someone was just a few feet away, standing near the middle of the street, not making a sound. I was slightly startled... enough that I forgot my trigger control and tripped the shutter in auto mode, which fired the flash. As I started to apologize for screwing up our night vision, another WTF moment... the camera shut itself off and we found that Boo Radley had disappeared from the scene as quietly as he had appeared.

This is a dead-end street, at the top of a hill, with no view of the river (or town, for that matter) from the street. Nobody just strolls around up here, especially in the black of night. It certainly wasn't one of the neighbors. The focus is weird too, seems more defined towards the bottom. Looks like sweatpants and stocking feet? :headscratch:

There were also some odd reflections.
The original photo:

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ez352x.jpg

Whoa!

[void *]

But if tomorrow someone else came along and found an error or loophole in the equations, every scientist on the planet throw away the old belief. That is in direct contradiction to the idea of zealots who cling to beliefs in the face of evidence to the contrary.

To add on - or even no error or loophole in the equation (in the sense that the equation itself is mathematically correct) - but data that indicates the equation doesn't actually describe reality.

Like the equations of classical mechanics vs. observed data on the orbit of Mercury.

That said -

One night I was out on my back porch smoking a cigarette, and I saw a shadowy humanoid shape with silver, glowing eyes - looking out at me from behind a tree.

I was pretty tired, and it honestly scared the crap out of me initially.

I took a closer look, though. The 'silver, glowing eyes' were the flat portion of the fence post bracket reflecting the porch light directly back at me (the curved portion, in the center, reflecting the light at angles away from me). The rest was just my tired as all get out brain doing what human brains do sometimes - interpreting light/shadow as patterns that really aren't there (in the same way that certain mountains on mars look like a face when the shadows are right, but like the top of a mountain when fully lit).

Now think about if I hadn't decided to take a closer look - would I be telling the spooky story of the demon-thing in my backyard, thinking that I'd actually seen a demon thing in my backyard? Maybe I would - and maybe people would believe me.

[turretg]

This ain't downtown Dallas.



Even the kids down the street are too lazy to hike up here for candy on Halloween. Haven't seen any meth head/bums up here other than my wife's bf, who avoids me like the plague.

I agree with you. I'm no expert but as someone who has experienced "unknowns" himself firsthand, I think yours qualifies as an "unusual event." if I may say so.

[Hamilton Burger]

Wow. Spooky pic.

By chance were you using a Kodak DX6490 Zoom Digital camera that night? :supergrin:



:innocent: Ssshh... Don't blow it for me, man. :whistling:




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