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thomas.allen12
10-08-2012, 19:59
I just bought a Gen 4 G22 .40 S&W and the recoil is crazy. Everything I have read said that was suppose to be a little bit more than the 9mm recoil. Was wondering if I should get new recoil springs. You'd think with the new version of spring that is in a Gen 4 there wouldn't be that much recoil.

TheExplorer
10-08-2012, 20:04
I just bought a Gen 4 G22 .40 S&W and the recoil is crazy. Everything I have read said that was suppose to be a little bit more than the 9mm recoil. Was wondering if I should get new recoil springs. You'd think with the new version of spring that is in a Gen 4 there wouldn't be that much recoil.

What ammo? And if you think that's bad on a 22, try a 27.

thomas.allen12
10-08-2012, 20:18
Just standard Federal FMJ...

What ammo? And if you think that's bad on a 22, try a 27.

TheExplorer
10-08-2012, 20:32
Just standard Federal FMJ...

Grain?

avenues165
10-08-2012, 21:03
It sucks that you are experiencing something you didn't expect. Recoil is relative. I have found my G23 to be a softer shooter than other .40s I have shot. I would have predicted that a Gen 4 G22 is a softer shooter than a G23.

I would say either trade it for a G17, or buy a .40-9mm barrel for it. I see no benefit to using a pistol that is unpleasant to shoot.

If you haven't already, try 180 grain loads. There are also some 135 grain loadings that are labeled low recoil. Federal make one, IIRC. For the range I have used a Fiocchi 165 grain loading at 1,040fps that is pretty mild. I also have found the Federal HST 165 grain loading to shoot fairly mild for a SD load.

cowboy1964
10-08-2012, 21:07
Glock .40s kick fairly hard compared to others like M&P and HKs. It is what it is. You will get used to it. 180 grainers should kick the least.

I just ordered some low recoiling Winchester Ranger 135gr just to get an idea of what that's like, though I probably would never use it for a carry round.

vafish
10-09-2012, 05:17
I just bought a Gen 4 G22 .40 S&W and the recoil is crazy. Everything I have read said that was suppose to be a little bit more than the 9mm recoil. Was wondering if I should get new recoil springs. You'd think with the new version of spring that is in a Gen 4 there wouldn't be that much recoil.

I can hardly tell the difference between 9mm +p+ in my g17 or g19 and 180 gr loads in my g23 or my sons g22.

But I've been shooting .41 mag, .44 mag, and heavy handloads in .45 colt for 30 years.

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Para_bellum17
10-09-2012, 05:34
If the weapon is new then you'll need to take a break-in period into consideration. Before you say that you don't like, it fire a few hundred rounds and see what you think. Used is used, you're not going to recoup all of your money if you get rid of it now. I have a G23 and found that the 180gr have the least felt ercoil/snap.

JW1178
10-09-2012, 05:37
How about a picking up a pair of Man-Up pills? :supergrin:

No really, couldn't resist. I know it snaps a bit more, but train with it and it won't be much of an issue. Or, take it down two model numbers and get the gun that really has a pair, the G20. It actually flips less, but will put it back more.

SCmasterblaster
10-09-2012, 07:49
How's your grip strength?

thomas.allen12
10-09-2012, 19:54
180 gr...My grip strength is good... I'm not new to this. I have been in the Army now long enough to retire. I've shot my fair share and then some. I don't mind the recoil just wondered it is was normal as I haven't shot a .40 S&W before. Mainly 9mm since that is what I carry when deployed. I want to get to where I can double tap and actually hit the target on the second shot like I do with my old Baretta M9. Thanks for all the replys. As far as the "Man up" pills....I prefer "Soldier Up"....LOL~~!!

SCmasterblaster
10-09-2012, 19:57
180 gr...My grip strength is good... I'm not new to this. I have been in the Army now long enough to retire. I've shot my fair share and then some. I don't mind the recoil just wondered it is was normal as I haven't shot a .40 S&W before. Mainly 9mm since that is what I carry when deployed. I want to get to where I can double tap and actually hit the target on the second shot like I do with my old Baretta M9. Thanks for all the replys. As far as the "Man up" pills....I prefer "Soldier Up"....LOL~~!!

a G17. Far less recoil in a 9x19. :cool:

SDGlock23
10-09-2012, 20:34
Going from a heavy, steel 9mm to a lightweight .40 I guess would be somewhat of a change. I do think the Gen4's recoil less than the Gen3's, but recoil is a subjective thing.

SCmasterblaster
10-10-2012, 07:57
I work out with the grip-strengthening tool. :supergrin:

avenues165
10-10-2012, 21:22
If you find that you just don't care for the .40, you can try 357 sig. I really like to shoot the 357 and it seems to have less perceived recoil for me. The recoil characteristics are also different, it has less muzzle flip and twist. It seems to come straight back at you, allowing for faster follow-ups, in my experience.

You can convert the G22 to 357 sig with only a barrel change, the .40 mags work fine as is. The G22 and the G31 use the same parts other than the barrel and mag followers.

Some feel that if they are going to use a 9mm bullet that the 9mm is fine. I get that, but I personally love the 357 sig.

Tiro Fijo
10-10-2012, 21:52
I work out with the grip-strengthening tool. :supergrin:


So, you're a bachelor?


:rofl: :tongueout:

SCmasterblaster
10-11-2012, 14:12
So, you're a bachelor?


:rofl: :tongueout:

Yes, I happen to be a 57-year-old batchelor. :upeyes:

ADK_40GLKr
10-11-2012, 14:31
It sucks that you are experiencing something you didn't expect. Recoil is relative. I have found my G23 to be a softer shooter than other .40s I have shot. I would have predicted that a Gen 4 G22 is a softer shooter than a G23.
.......

If you haven't alrgeady, try 180 grain loads. ...........

^^^^^^
This
I started on a Gen 2 G22, so didn't know the difference until I got a 9mm conversion barrel. The only time .40 bothers me is when I shoot my G27 right after firing a few magazines of .22LR.

May I suggest: SHOOT the thing until you get used to it!

As someone already suggested, It;'s all relative!

vafish
10-11-2012, 16:01
If you find that you just don't care for the .40, you can try 357 sig. I really like to shoot the 357 and it seems to have less perceived recoil for me. The recoil characteristics are also different, it has less muzzle flip and twist. It seems to come straight back at you, allowing for faster follow-ups, in my experience.

You can convert the G22 to 357 sig with only a barrel change, the .40 mags work fine as is. The G22 and the G31 use the same parts other than the barrel and mag followers.

Some feel that if they are going to use a 9mm bullet that the 9mm is fine. I get that, but I personally love the 357 sig.

He can convert it to 9mm with just a barrel and a magazine.

Needs to be a conversion barrel.

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packinaglock
10-11-2012, 16:47
I work out with the grip-strengthening tool. :supergrin:

So do I when my wife prescribes me a dose of Noassatall. :supergrin:

avenues165
10-11-2012, 17:24
He can convert it to 9mm with just a barrel and a magazine.

Needs to be a conversion barrel.

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Awesome, isn't it? Three cartridges in one pistol:supergrin: You can do even more with a 10mm.

4949shooter
10-11-2012, 18:30
As mentioned, try 180 grain loads. The Winchester ranger are soft to shoot even in my G27. The 155 and 165 grain loads can be more stout, though Speer loads a "light" 165 grain load for some LE agencies that asked for it. Here are the two loads for comparison:

http://le.atk.com/ammunition/speer/handgun/compare.aspx?compare=53949%2C53970

janice6
10-11-2012, 19:09
I said before, I have 9 mm, .357 Sig and .40 cal in my G27, and cannot feel much difference between them. I have shot a G22 and it was lighter recoil.

The G27 .40 is not a big deal.

It is what you expect it to be.

greenlion
10-11-2012, 20:51
It depends on the weight of the bullet AND the velocity. You can't just make a blanket statement like "180's shoot softer than 165's" and expect it to match reality. Look on manufacturer's websites until you find someone still manufacturing the old FBI load, a 180 grain bullet going between 950 and 980fps. That is a pleasant load to shoot, and is the load the .40 caliber pistols were first built around. They also use to make American Eagle ammo in a 165 grain bullet doing the same velocity and it was a real sweet shooting round for target practice.

cowboy1964
10-11-2012, 21:55
a 180 grain bullet going between 150 and 180fps.

What were you were trying to say there? 950 and 980?

Ak.Hiker
10-11-2012, 22:47
You may want to try a rubber grip sleeve.

SCmasterblaster
10-12-2012, 14:05
You may want to try a rubber grip sleeve.

I use one on my G17. :cool:

greenlion
10-12-2012, 17:58
What were you were trying to say there? 950 and 980?

Oops! Yeah. Major Typo there. Fixed it.

SCmasterblaster
10-13-2012, 14:23
Oops! Yeah. Major Typo there. Fixed it.

Thanks for the fix. :supergrin:

dakrat
10-13-2012, 14:47
I just bought a Gen 4 G22 .40 S&W and the recoil is crazy. Everything I have read said that was suppose to be a little bit more than the 9mm recoil. Was wondering if I should get new recoil springs. You'd think with the new version of spring that is in a Gen 4 there wouldn't be that much recoil.

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/573/9353448/img_1476.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg

:whistling::whistling::whistling:

SCmasterblaster
10-13-2012, 15:41
http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/573/9353448/img_1476.jpg_thumbnail1.jpg

:whistling::whistling::whistling:

What is that - a .22 conversion kit for Glocks?

dakrat
10-13-2012, 19:13
yessir

SCmasterblaster
10-13-2012, 19:36
yessir

Who offers it?

TK-421
10-13-2012, 20:27
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=42238/Product/TSG-22-trade-CONVERSION-KITS-for-GLOCK-reg-

dkf
10-13-2012, 21:24
Who offers it?

Advantage Arms, Tactical Solutions, Ciener and I am sure I am letting out a few. You can get them for full size, compact and subcompact Glocks as well as other pistol makes.

SCmasterblaster
10-14-2012, 12:22
Advantage Arms, Tactical Solutions, Ciener and I am sure I am letting out a few. You can get them for full size, compact and subcompact Glocks as well as other pistol makes.

I just may get one!

greenlion
10-14-2012, 20:53
Everyone likes to jack the .40 S&W to the maximum velocity they can achieve with it... and then they sit around complaining that it is a "snappy" uncomfortable cartridge.

Look at a couple of offerings from Double Tap Ammo:

A 180gr .40S&W doing 1140fps

Now, to get that velocity out of a .45ACP, you have to step up to a +P load from mainstream manufacturers, and guess what..... .45ACP+P loads are snappy.

They also have a 125gr .40S&W going 1445fps

To get that velocity out of a 125 grain bullets, you'd need a .357 magnum, and guess what.... .357 magnums are snappy.

The .40S&W is snappy if you make it snappy. It doesn't have to be.

38 special +P 158gr semi-wadcutter "FBI load" has been one of the best snubby loads for years, at around 800fps out of a snubby's barrel.

The "legendary manstopper" 230 grain .45 ACP earned that reputation doing 850fps.

The .40S&W will also work well at velocities under 1000fps, as long as you use the right bullet.

Ak.Hiker
10-14-2012, 21:49
Everyone likes to jack the .40 S&W to the maximum velocity they can achieve with it... and then they sit around complaining that it is a "snappy" uncomfortable cartridge.

Look at a couple of offerings from Double Tap Ammo:

A 180gr .40S&W doing 1140fps

Now, to get that velocity out of a .45ACP, you have to step up to a +P load from mainstream manufacturers, and guess what..... .45ACP+P loads are snappy.

They also have a 125gr .40S&W going 1445fps

To get that velocity out of a 125 grain bullets, you'd need a .357 magnum, and guess what.... .357 magnums are snappy.

The .40S&W is snappy if you make it snappy. It doesn't have to be.

38 special +P 158gr semi-wadcutter "FBI load" has been one of the best snubby loads for years, at around 800fps out of a snubby's barrel.

The "legendary manstopper" 230 grain .45 ACP earned that reputation doing 850fps.

The .40S&W will also work well at velocities under 1000fps, as long as you use the right bullet.

Good post.

cowboy1964
10-15-2012, 10:13
Shot some of the Ranger 135gr today. It's pretty low recoiling, for sure. About the same as 180s. Seems a tad louder though, but that doesn't matter.

davsco
10-15-2012, 11:07
9mm mid-size bullet (124g federal fmj) has approx 365 ft lbs of energy.

.40 mid-size bullet (165g federal fmj) has approx 470 ft lbs of energy, so approx 30% more energy which results in approx 30% more recoil, all other things being consistent (gun weight, etc)..

there is no free lunch when going to heavier caliber firearms.

glocks aren't known for their ergo's and narrow grips; maybe try out some other brands to see if something fits better. also check out 1911 models which have excellent ergo's.

SCmasterblaster
10-15-2012, 18:40
9mm mid-size bullet (124g federal fmj) has approx 365 ft lbs of energy.

.40 mid-size bullet (165g federal fmj) has approx 470 ft lbs of energy, so approx 30% more energy which results in approx 30% more recoil, all other things being consistent (gun weight, etc)..

there is no free lunch when going to heavier caliber firearms.

glocks aren't known for their ergo's and narrow grips; maybe try out some other brands to see if something fits better. also check out 1911 models which have excellent ergo's.

My 9x19 carry load gives 500 FPE - 115gr +p+ JHP

cowboy1964
10-15-2012, 20:09
My 9x19 carry load gives 500 FPE - 115gr +p+ JHP

It probably under-penetrates too.

Underwood 9mm 115 gr +P+ JHP Ammo Test - YouTube

SCmasterblaster
10-16-2012, 19:10
It probably under-penetrates too.

Underwood 9mm 115 gr +P+ JHP Ammo Test - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ7ri9wa728)

That thought has been through my thoughts. I am hoping that it will not under-penetrate.