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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9597345/Afterlife-exists-says-top-brain-surgeon.html
The Machinist
10-09-2012, 16:56
Edited. No need to get this thread closed prematurely.
Awesome story, BTW. :supergrin:
Edited. No need to get this thread closed prematurely.
Awesome story, BTW. :supergrin:
:rofl:....I liked the first version better.
packsaddle
10-09-2012, 17:01
and the atheists will, of course, dismiss this neurosurgeon's testimonial because, as we all know, atheists - specifically glocktalk atheists - know so much more about neurology than any expert in the field.
I met some 'beautiful blue-eyed woman' last night as well.
To bad my alarm messed up my near death experience. :whistling:
Does that count?
I believe there's a continuance of our existence after the death of the physical body.
Just imagine an intelligent existence without physical life.
Intelligence reduced to sub-atomic and electrical impulses that exists and functions in a totally non-physical dimension.
Our dreams just might be a sneak preview of what's to come after we die?
Chesafreak
10-09-2012, 17:11
The guy had a dream while in a coma. That's all this proves.
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BossGodfrey
10-09-2012, 17:13
The guy had a dream while in a coma. That's all this proves.
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Yea because you were in his mind and know what he saw right !
....but he did not die, he was in a coma. You can't see the 'after life' if you are alive.
Is his perception of an afterlife while in a coma his reality, or does it apply to everyone?
NeverMore1701
10-09-2012, 17:21
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
The guy had a dream while in a coma. That's all this proves.
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Actually, I think what the point of this is, the coma he was in could not produce "dreams"...and because he is an expert in the field, he knows that. That is why this is so profound for him.
That is not my endorsement of this, just putting facts on the table.
As has been mentioned, a hallucination while in a state of coma is far from an after-death experience.
No, no afterlife. In the most abstract sense, information theory suggests that the information that compromises "us" is always preserved in some fashion. Which only means that if you knew every detail of how your body disintegrated and how its energy entropied then it would be theoretically possilbe to follow that back and surmise the entirety of your life. Except, that kind of perfect knowledge is unobtainable in any practical sense, so even that train of thought leads to nothing.
This is quite an amazing story because as a neurosurgeon he would understand the illusions of the brain under stress, yet he feels compelled to believe this was a real event ...maybe something to it in my opinion.
....but he did not die, he was in a coma. You can't see the 'after life' if you are alive.
And you know this for a fact? How?
And you know this for a fact? How?
If he had truly died, he would not be around to be able to give that interview.
And you know this for a fact? How?
He read the article.
And you know this for a fact? How?
1: I read the article
2: I realize he is alive to give his opinion
1: I read the article
2: I realize he is alive to give his opinion
point
set
match
:thumbsup:
Caver 60
10-09-2012, 19:52
Quote: the unconditional love that I now know God and the universe have toward us. Unquote
For what It's worth, I've personally known three people who have had so called 'near death experiences', including my dear sweet mother-in-law who lived about 50 years after her experience.
None of them had the experiences that you see in some popular books today. But they all were convinced of God's love for us and none of them wanted to come back to this world. But they all realized God's love for them and that He still had a plan for them to fulfill.
I just don't know.
If we can have an afterlife, why not a pre-life? Nobody remembers anything from before they're born.
I have heard that people who are nearing death start talking to dead people and thinking they're in the afterlife already.
This happened to my grandma and she was never the type to get all spiritual or anything, so who knows?
ArtificialGrape
10-09-2012, 20:10
If we can have an afterlife, why not a pre-life? Nobody remembers anything from before they're born.
I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.Mark Twain
aplcr0331
10-09-2012, 20:31
I just don't know.
If we can have an afterlife, why not a pre-life? Nobody remembers anything from before they're born.
I have heard that people who are nearing death start talking to dead people and thinking they're in the afterlife already.
This happened to my grandma and she was never the type to get all spiritual or anything, so who knows?
Near death experiences are just rememberances of birth. People do not visit an after-life when they are "going towards the light" they are remembering while in a vivid state, an event that already happened. Birth.
certifiedfunds
10-09-2012, 20:33
Our dreams just might be a sneak preview of what's to come after we die?
In the afterlife I'm naked in college lecture hall being chased by zombies?
In the afterlife I'm naked in college lecture hall being chased by zombies?
I know.
I dream I'm one of the zombies.
686Owner
10-09-2012, 21:07
Why would God send him to heaven if he was not dead?
Actually, I think what the point of this is, the coma he was in could not produce "dreams"...and because he is an expert in the field, he knows that. That is why this is so profound for him.
That is not my endorsement of this, just putting facts on the table.
+1 Interesting article, I think alot of people are misunderstanding the point.
el_jewapo
10-09-2012, 21:38
I just don't know.
If we can have an afterlife, why not a pre-life? Nobody remembers anything from before they're born.
You remember anything for the first couple years after you were born? Maybe that period is a big eraser mark and you can't remember what was before that.
I'm happy for him finding something that makes him feel better about his life.
All I know about before I was born was that it was nice and warm. Like a fool, I struggled to get out. Now, I want to go back in.
Michael Rye
10-09-2012, 21:46
You remember anything for the first couple years after you were born? Maybe that period is a big eraser mark and you can't remember what was before that.
You cannot remember anything for the first couple years because your brain was not fully developed.
You cannot remember anything before birth because you did not exist and had no brain in which to store anything.
fgutie35
10-09-2012, 21:58
Why would God send him to heaven if he was not dead?
Testimony. Mission Accomplished!
As per title...., Yeap , and I'm not so living proof....!:supergrin:
F14Scott
10-09-2012, 22:17
Man has dream. News at 11.
If the proof of an afterlife is that he had a dream or hallucination when, under current medical theory, he shouldn't have, then that is a very thin proof. Crazy, unexpected medical stuff happens all the time.
I tend to fall in line with Sam's reasoning on this.
Sam Harris on the science behind brain and soul.flv - YouTube
the only true fact about this is nobody here or in this world know for sure one way or nother , people who discount god dont know jack **** . people who are religious dont know jack **** . but when your time comes you will know ,just wont be around to post it on the internet
When there is damage to the brain, intellectual functioning is impaired. The worse thre damage, the worse the impairment. Given that, the complete destruction of the brain, which death causes, should destroy all intellectual functioning.
This isn't my idea, BTW. I got it from Bertrand Russell.
When there is damage to the brain, intellectual functioning is impaired. The worse thre damage, the worse the impairment. Given that, the complete destruction of the brain, which death causes, should destroy all intellectual functioning.
This isn't my idea, BTW. I got it from Bertrand Russell.
Was this hypothesis before or after death......?
Is spiritual a compillation of one's essents......?
skeeter7
10-10-2012, 02:05
Why would God send him to heaven if he was not dead?
He in fact was dead. When God met him in Heaven, he saw how much of a jerk he was after a while and then kicked him back to hell with all of us here on Earth.
and the atheists will, of course, dismiss this neurosurgeon's testimonial because, as we all know, atheists - specifically glocktalk atheists - know so much more about neurology than any expert in the field.
On the other hand, christians are willing to believe in, contrary to anything their religion teaches, "out of body experiences" and premature visits to heaven, when it suits their side of an argument.
Likewise, doctors and even some real scientists, will make their beliefs fit their wants. The ones close to death often want an afterlife.
airmotive
10-10-2012, 05:37
and the atheists will, of course, dismiss this neurosurgeon's testimonial because, as we all know, atheists - specifically glocktalk atheists - know so much more about neurology than any expert in the field.
...and if his afterlife experience was of 72 virgins and the prophet Mohamed, the GT Christians would dismiss him as a kook.
RyanBDawg
10-10-2012, 05:44
This just in! Random dude wants attention!
If there was a universal afterlife then everyone who has been in a coma or had some near death experience would have the same experience as this guy.
They don't.
If one was to take say DMT and experience "an out of body experience" consisting of vivid hallucinations, does that mean you went to heaven and back? Or does it mean that you hallucinated it?
Even if this guy went to the "afterlife", it seems that religion or belief in a god or gods is irrelevant.
We all get hot blondes and get to fly on clouds. Sweet.
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The faithful love hearing reports that seem to validate the unprovable. Especially when those reports come from scientists - even if those reports are not based on scientific testing.
Just accept that your choice to remain faithful is your choice (or God's will if you choose to forfeit your own will.)
I believe there's a continuance of our existence after the death of the physical body.
Just imagine an intelligent existence without physical life.
Intelligence reduced to sub-atomic and electrical impulses that exists and functions in a totally non-physical dimension.
Our dreams just might be a sneak preview of what's to come after we die?Can I buy some pot? - Pinto
Can I buy some pot? - PintoYou should buy this instead.
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lunarspeak
10-10-2012, 06:34
the funny thing to me is that with most of the christians on GT that talk about proveing gods existance...if god is real they would be in a whole lot of trouble....people keep painting this picture of a kind loveing god but if you also believe in the bible he was killing people left and right.
he killed them "himself" for sinning,for not beliveing in him,for complaining ,for adultry.
by some peoples math he has killed around 2+million people.
series1811
10-10-2012, 06:49
This is quite an amazing story because as a neurosurgeon he would understand the illusions of the brain under stress, yet he feels compelled to believe this was a real event ...maybe something to it in my opinion.
Yes, but it's going to piss the atheists off because scientists and people of learing are not supposed to come to these type conclusions.
The only explanation for him coming to such a conclusion is that he is really a stupid man of science. :supergrin:
series1811
10-10-2012, 06:50
The faithful love hearing reports that seem to validate the unprovable. Especially when those reports come from scientists - even if those reports are not based on scientific testing.
Just accept that your choice to remain faithful is your choice (or God's will if you choose to forfeit your own will.)
And the unfaithful, as this thread proves, do not like hearing those reports, either. :supergrin:
RyanBDawg
10-10-2012, 06:54
And the unfaithful, as this thread proves, do not like hearing those reports. :supergrin:
I loved it. An atheist (non christian at the least) brain surgeon went to heaven, therefore proving that religion isn't a factor in going to heaven.
That is, if you wish to believe his story.
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RyanBDawg
10-10-2012, 07:13
Just googled this guy, he has a book coming out.
Guess you gotta make that money after you go to the afterlife and back I guess.
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I loved it. An atheist (non christian at the least) brain surgeon went to heaven, therefore proving that religion isn't a factor in going to heaven.
That is, if you wish to believe his story.
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Yeah, it's a great testimony for atheism. It's clearly the win win in this case - Do whatever you want, still go to heaven.
Actually, I think the reason he 'went to heaven' is because of the shift in people focusing less on fire and brimstone, some even to the point of believing there is no hell and everyone goes to heaven. It's much better marketing today that he went to heaven rather than hell because most people just don't want to hear about hell.
Just googled this guy, he has a book coming out.
Guess you gotta make that money after you go to the afterlife and back I guess.
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Hey, if I'm ever in a Coma I'm going to heaven then being reborn and live three lives before I come out of it. I might even experience glimpses of the future and it's my duty to share those experiences in hardback for $18.95 a copy.
series1811
10-10-2012, 07:41
I loved it. An atheist (non christian at the least) brain surgeon went to heaven, therefore proving that religion isn't a factor in going to heaven.
That is, if you wish to believe his story.
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It doesn't annoy me, but apparently, it does annoy the atheists on board. I always find that kind of thing humorous. Atheist supposedly don't believe in anything, but then get annoyed when something challenges that. Does that even make sense? :supergrin:
Just googled this guy, he has a book coming out.
Guess you gotta make that money after you go to the afterlife and back I guess.
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Eh, it is hard to throw the money card at a neurosurgeon. Chances are he already makes 7 figures a year. The attention card, the "wants to share the news" card...or even something legitimate like "I must tell people my tale" all makes sense....but just for the money...long shot.
Books dont often make a lot of money. A great selling book may make 50K in the pocket of the writer. It takes Oprah book club type stuff to replace a neurosurgeons income.
When I was in a coma, I saw this:
http://fishduck.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/blackness.jpg
and the atheists will, of course, dismiss this neurosurgeon's testimonial because, as we all know, atheists - specifically glocktalk atheists - know so much more about neurology than any expert in the field.
I don't claim to know anything about neurology, but I'm still waiting on proof the fairy tale exists.
Dennis in MA
10-10-2012, 11:01
....but he did not die, he was in a coma. You can't see the 'after life' if you are alive.
What about after-coma???
Actually, I think what the point of this is, the coma he was in could not produce "dreams"...and because he is an expert in the field, he knows that. That is why this is so profound for him.
That is not my endorsement of this, just putting facts on the table.
We don't know the dreams weren't prior or post coma.
When there is damage to the brain, intellectual functioning is impaired. The worse thre damage, the worse the impairment. Given that, the complete destruction of the brain, which death causes, should destroy all intellectual functioning.
This isn't my idea, BTW. I got it from Bertrand Russell.
Or Sam Harris.
What IS known is that people don't steal ideas and call them their own after death. (See the Youtube video 2-3 spots above your post. LOL)
This just in! Random dude wants attention!
Ding! Is he writing a book, perhaps?
Ding! Is he writing a book, perhaps?
Yeah, he's got a website with promo videos and everything.
and the atheists will, of course, dismiss this neurosurgeon's testimonial because, as we all know, atheists -
because, as we all know, atheists will want a scientific explanation for why it happened. This is not the same thing as an explanation for why it can't happen. In other words, if the current understanding is 'you can't have dreams in this type of coma' then that doesn't prove it must be an afterlife experience, it means we don't know why it happened. Why couldn't it be a pre-life experience or a trans-dimensional journey to an alien universe or any other far out thing you can think of? The experience was not post death so what proof is there this is an experience he would of had if he had been dead? Again, this is not the same thing as an explanation for why it can't happen.
the only true fact about this is nobody here or in this world know for sure one way or nother , people who discount god dont know jack **** . people who are religious dont know jack **** . but when your time comes you will know ,just wont be around to post it on the internet
So very true, maybe that will be their hell, lol! DOC
How does he (or anyone that has had this kind of experience) know for sure that his vision took place during the period where he was supposedly in a "dreamless" coma? Was he somehow able to monitor a clock and calendar while in this coma? No, much more likely his experience took place while he was transitioning into or out of that state and his sense of time is simply distorted.
How does he (or anyone that has had this kind of experience) know for sure that his vision took place during the period where he was supposedly in a "dreamless" coma? Was he somehow able to monitor a clock and calendar while in this coma? No, much more likely his experience took place while he was transitioning into or out of that state and his sense of time is simply distorted.
I'm not a neurosurgeon, see if you can e-mail him. But if you want to talk root canals.................................. lol
How does he (or anyone that has had this kind of experience) know for sure that his vision took place during the period where he was supposedly in a "dreamless" coma? Was he somehow able to monitor a clock and calendar while in this coma? No, much more likely his experience took place while he was transitioning into or out of that state and his sense of time is simply distorted.
Just think about when you go to bed each night. Would a single one of us be able to wake up in the morning and say what time during the night we had our dreams? (if you dream at all). Did I dream right when I went to bed, somewhere in the middle, or right when I was about to wake up? I have no clue, and I don't see how it would be possible for anyone to answer that question about themselves.
because, as we all know, atheists will want a scientific explanation for why it happened. This is not the same thing as an explanation for why it can't happen. In other words, if the current understanding is 'you can't have dreams in this type of coma' then that doesn't prove it must be an afterlife experience, it means we don't know why it happened. Why couldn't it be a pre-life experience or a trans-dimensional journey to an alien universe or any other far out thing you can think of? The experience was not post death so what proof is there this is an experience he would of had if he had been dead? Again, this is not the same thing as an explanation for why it can't happen.
/thread closed. :goodpost:
OctoberRust
10-10-2012, 12:50
Yea because you were in his mind and know what he saw right !
Well last night was not a dream for me then. I AM the son of god, and everyone here should drop to their knees to worship me. I was in sandals, have blue eyes and had long hair last night. Very feminine like high lights too. People were even calling me some name like "Jesus" I think.
Anyways, I AM the son of god, this confirmed/confirms it, and if you doubt or deny this, I'll just use your canned reply. "YEA because you were in my mind and knew what I saw and what's a dream right!?!?!!?!!" :rofl:
How does he (or anyone that has had this kind of experience) know for sure that his vision took place during the period where he was supposedly in a "dreamless" coma? Was he somehow able to monitor a clock and calendar while in this coma? No, much more likely his experience took place while he was transitioning into or out of that state and his sense of time is simply distorted.
:number1: And we have a winner! :number1:
Brian Lee
10-11-2012, 13:20
The only real "proof" of God's existence is to be found in the way His followers live their lives, (that is, IF they are really followers and not fakers) and in the extent to which they actually function as mirrors that reflect God's love to others.
But unfortunately, if you are a selfish minded person who lives only a materialistic life, and if your philosophy for living amounts to little more than "I-look-out-for-number-one", this still probably leaves you with no way to recognize or comprehend that evidence of God when you do see it.
To try to debate the existence of spirit life in scientific terms has little point to it while science is still so primitive. 1000 years ago you could have truthfully said "There's no scientific evidence that the Earth orbits the Sun", because 1000 years ago, there honestly was no such evidence yet. Or at least, none that anyone understood, even though it was staring them right in the face. All they had to do was look at the stars, but they didn't know HOW to look at them in those days.
To assume our science is even close to being capable of proving or disproving the existence of spirit life, is as silly as assuming that the science of 1000 years ago was as far as science would ever go. When atheists try to use our present science, in it's obviously incomplete state, as their argument against God, they are really only revealing to the world that they totally lack the attitude of a true scientist, since a true scientist is always ready to admit the limitations of of his own incomplete knowledge, and the possibility that today he's wrong, and might need to change his mind tomorrow. He is never quick to try to elevate his hazy personal beliefs to the level of absolute fact.
In fact, the more we learn about science, the more we realize that the still unknown part of it is even bigger than we thought in the past. With this being the case, it's nonsensical to suggest that right now, we can claim there is no God just because nobody can find Him in a telescope. It's actually an unwitting suggestion that present science is as far as science will ever go, and that's just screams of plain old scientific ignorance.
Truth be told, the scientific community of today is nowhere near as anti-God as it was 200 years ago, and most of the claims that science disproves God comes from people who never got past high school science classes - not from the really educated scientists.
And PLEASE don't waste your time pulling evolution out of your hat as if that's an argument against what I've said. The fact that a 4000 year old book contains a bull crap creation story is not surprising at all, since science didn't exist then. I believe in God, and I believe in Him as the inventor of the evolutionary process, which only makes His work seem even more amazing than when we falsely imagined God a guy who built a mans body in a sandbox, and gave it mouth-to-mouth to make it spring to life.
So you see, science does not disprove God at all. But rather, science advances and improves religion by purging it of it's ancient superstitions, so that our concept of just what God is and how God works, only expands and become more accurate in lockstep WITH science, as science advances. Science and religion are really the best of friends, but few people know enough about both subjects to realize that.
The world presently is plagued with two groups of people who's mindset is destined to become extinct someday - Those who only understand just enough science to shoot themselves in the foot with it, and those who only understand just enough religion to make themselves hypocrites with it. When science eventually reaches it's zenith, and when the kingdom of God has truly come to rule on Earth, those will be the days when religionists have finally learned to understand science properly, and the scientists will have finally learned to understand of religion, and both will realize they were on the same side all along, but didn't know it.
Weiser 878
10-11-2012, 15:03
Just because he was smart enough to become a brain surgeon doesn't mean he's strong enough to exercise free-thinking and not go along with the masses.
There are plenty of educated people who believe in gun control, that doesn't mean they're not idiots.
Same here. Religion is for the weak-minded
series1811
10-11-2012, 15:16
Just because he was smart enough to become a brain surgeon doesn't mean he's strong enough to exercise free-thinking and not go along with the masses.
There are plenty of educated people who believe in gun control, that doesn't mean they're not idiots.
Same here. Religion is for the weak-minded
To find real intelligence, you have to go to the internet and read anonymous postings from people who may be posting from lunatic asylums for all anyone knows. :supergrin:
HerrGlock
10-11-2012, 15:30
I think we play saxophone for an all-girl cabaret in New Orleans.
and the atheists will, of course, dismiss this neurosurgeon's testimonial because, as we all know, atheists - specifically glocktalk atheists - know so much more about neurology than any expert in the field.My best friend is Chief of Neurology at a local hospital, and he says they have no idea what or where the soul is. Doesn't mean it's not there, but science doesn't demand faith. It does, however, demand testable hypotheses, which are simply not part of this discussion.
The profession of the man at the center of this story is irrelevant to any discussion of what so-called 'after-death' experiences may or may not be.
Prove the existence of the soul, then it will matter.
And the unfaithful, as this thread proves, do not like hearing those reports, either. :supergrin:Doesn't bother me any more than reports proving that man never set foot on the moon.
Is There A Soul? Beyond Belief - ABC - Dr. Sam Parnia - YouTube
Through the Wormhole - Had a life after death ( BG Sub ) - YouTube
Psychman
10-12-2012, 05:32
When I was in a coma, I saw this:
http://fishduck.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/blackness.jpg
Lol. good one!!
series1811
10-12-2012, 07:12
Doesn't bother me any more than reports proving that man never set foot on the moon.
Yes, your lack of response shows your lack of bother. :supergrin:
To try to debate the existence of spirit life in scientific terms has little point to it while science is still so primitive.
There's even less point to debate it in other terms.
DowntimeLA
10-12-2012, 07:58
I believe in some type of afterlife because of several unexplainable events dealing with death that i've witnessed. I also realize all the ghost storys or dreams aren't really enough proof to convince others, but more will be revealed in the future I'm sure.
The only real "proof" of God's existence is to be found in the way His followers live their lives, (that is, IF they are really followers and not fakers) and in the extent to which they actually function as mirrors that reflect God's love to others.
But unfortunately, if you are a selfish minded person who lives only a materialistic life, and if your philosophy for living amounts to little more than "I-look-out-for-number-one", this still probably leaves you with no way to recognize or comprehend that evidence of God when you do see it.
False dichotomy fallacy. You are implying that you can either live a noble life for god or you can live a selfish life for yourself as if those were the only two options. You can also live a noble life for humanity without the need for god.
To try to debate the existence of spirit life in scientific terms has little point to it while science is still so primitive.
Argumentum ad Ignorantiam. This fallacious argument is typically raised by those that have little real understanding of just how far we've come in the physical sciences.
To assume our science is even close to being capable of proving or disproving the existence of spirit life, is as silly as assuming that the science of 1000 years ago was as far as science would ever go. When atheists try to use our present science, in it's obviously incomplete state, as their argument against God, they are really only revealing to the world that they totally lack the attitude of a true scientist, since a true scientist is always ready to admit the limitations of of his own incomplete knowledge, and the possibility that today he's wrong, and might need to change his mind tomorrow. He is never quick to try to elevate his hazy personal beliefs to the level of absolute fact.
And I don't see where any athiest/scientist has attempted to do so. Science never claims things as "proven" or "disproven", it only ever draws conclusions from comparitive analysis of one theory being better supported by empirical results than another. For instance, Maxwell's Theory of Electromagnetism and Einstein's Theory of Relativity will never become Maxwell's Law or Einstein's Law, respectively. That doesn't mean that both theories aren't well developed and understood at this point and treated as known entities.
True, science can not prove god does or does not exist deductively, but inductively (the only real way to acquire knowledge about the physical world) science tells us that it is highly improbable that god exists given our understanding of the universe and empirical observations. And when I say "highly improbable", I mean that yahweh or jehovah is no more likely than allah or zeus or odin or vishnu or marduk or any of the other ancient deities.
Truth be told, the scientific community of today is nowhere near as anti-God as it was 200 years ago, and most of the claims that science disproves God comes from people who never got past high school science classes - not from the really educated scientists.
This is demostrably false. Studies have routinely shown that the higher one goes in their education the less likely they are to believe in a deity and the members of the National Academy of Sciences are far less likely to adhere to any sort of theism than the population at large. Even among the general population, the segment that identifies themselves as "non-religious" is growing rapidly as education becomes the norm rather than the exception.
So you see, science does not disprove God at all. But rather, science advances and improves religion by purging it of it's ancient superstitions, so that our concept of just what God is and how God works, only expands and become more accurate in lockstep WITH science, as science advances. Science and religion are really the best of friends, but few people know enough about both subjects to realize that.
Pantheism is what you are driving at here and it has always been considered by philosophers to be "atheism light" in the sense that god is the physical universe and the universe is god and understanding how one works helps in understanding the other.
When science eventually reaches it's zenith, and when the kingdom of God has truly come to rule on Earth, those will be the days when religionists have finally learned to understand science properly, and the scientists will have finally learned to understand of religion, and both will realize they were on the same side all along, but didn't know it.
No, sorry. There will be no point where god reveals his grand plan to us and we live in some divinely engineered golden age. We will just keep plugging away on this planet until the sun goes supernova. Hopefully, we will have spread to other planets by then, but eventually their stars will all die too and one day the universe will go cold, dark and lifeless. Enjoy your time here while it lasts. This is all we get.
Chuck TX
10-12-2012, 08:23
When I was in a coma, I saw this:
http://fishduck.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/blackness.jpg
The Spinal Tap "black" album?
If there was background music was it "Sex Farm" or "Hellhole" playing?
Quote: the unconditional love that I now know God and the universe have toward us. Unquote
For what It's worth, I've personally known three people who have had so called 'near death experiences', including my dear sweet mother-in-law who lived about 50 years after her experience.
None of them had the experiences that you see in some popular books today. But they all were convinced of God's love for us and none of them wanted to come back to this world. But they all realized God's love for them and that He still had a plan for them to fulfill.
There is no question that facing death with change your priorities.
Unfortunately there is no way to prove the existence of an afterlife.
RyanBDawg
10-14-2012, 19:56
There is no question that facing death with change your priorities.
Unfortunately there is no way to prove the existence of an afterlife.
Everything dies, the only difference is the timescale. I'm not really that concerned with something that happens to everything from stars to ants.
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Skeptical post (and I am not an atheist): his brain was undergoing damage. He was in a coma. He may have had all higher functions shut down. He has memories that he describes. We all experience time inaccuracies with loss of consciousness and can't accurately describe when something happened. We also can experience hallucinations and false memories that are indistinguishable from reality. Also witness the hallucinations of people undergoing brain damage from anoxia or drugs.
His memories may have been formed by damage or as his neurons were recovering. Simply having the memories seem to be in temporal congruence with the time he was in a coma does not prove they were.
I can't prove he didn't have a out-of-body experience, but what happened is explainable by non-supernatural means.
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