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jpa
10-09-2012, 18:42
Did a 5K Sunday night with a friend who was visiting from Chicago. She didn't bring a pack or anything to keep her stuff in so she carried her phone and mp3 player the whole night. Stopped in the can at one of the casinos on the way out and she didn't realize she left both items on the TP dispenser until we got back to my car. She ran back in and of course they were gone. Asked the person cleaning the bathroom and security if they saw anything, both said no. Security had surveillance checking video of who went in n out of the bathroom, no luck.

I tried calling her phone and a black female answered. I asked if she found the phone, she said yes. She gave me a bs story about being too far away to return it and hung up on me. I kept calling the phone for about 30 mins (including a few mins where it was turned off and the call went straight to voicemail) until she answered it again. I asked her to return to the casino so we can straighten things out. She asked how much I was gonna give her. I told her to tell me what she wanted and she said "fifty bucks." I said I can do fifty.

She showed up at the casino looking ratty as all hell. She kept licking her lips, she had a nasty ponytail weave and was wearing a pink flowered tank top and jean shorts. She had the phone in her hand. She gave me the phone and dug the mp3 player out of her purse and handed that over as well.

I passed them both to my friend and started asking her where she got them. She started giving me a bs story about some woman selling them to her outside the side door of the casino for $40, but she paid her with a $50 bill and the woman never brought her change back to her. She was claiming she never went in the bathroom and someone else sold them to her and people do this all the time, so that's ok. While we were talking, 4 security guards swarmed around us including the supervisor that was helping us. He talked to her for a second, talked to my friend and when he found out that the property was all returned, they all disappeared. I'm very surprised by that since most of the casinos (especially the downtown ones that have plenty of undesirables in and out) will trespass someone at the drop of a hat. I'm surprised that he didn't even try to ask her name or for ID to trespass her. After security all walked away, she looked at me and asked me for the $50 that I "promised" her. I said "I never promised you $50, I just said I could do that. I don't believe your story and I think you stole the phone from the bathroom yourself. Be happy to walk away knowing you did a good deed by returning it." She flipped off the handle. She started pulling at her weave and smacking her lips. I thought for sure she was going to swing on either of us at any second. She just snapped that maybe next time she won't bring the phone back. I told her to quit stealing other people's stuff and she wouldn't have this problem.

So I'm looking for an expert opinion...how would you have handled it? My friend got her property back and wasn't interested in going back and forth to prosecute this misdemeanor at best. Security had no interest in dealing with her. I'm still kinda peeved that they didn't trespass her or at least ID her since I have no doubt that she's going to try to do the same thing again. She seems too eager to make a quick buck off a dumb tourist who forgets their property not to do it again. My biggest question...would anyone here have paid her any money? :rofl:

DustyJacket
10-09-2012, 18:47
I would have asked her that letting her live was worth more than $50, isn't it?

Travelin' Jack
10-09-2012, 18:58
would anyone here have paid her any money? :rofl:

Heck no. I'm surprised she handed over your property without the cash upfront though. You did good.

metal
10-09-2012, 19:02
I'm gonna guess by downtown you mean Freemont Street.
You're lucky she came back at all. On the strip I'd be surprised a crackhead got far enough in the door to hit the bathroom.
I wouldn't have given her a dime.

Cochese
10-09-2012, 19:03
I would have badged her ghetto stank ass and asked her if she wanted extortion charges to go with her side of AIDS.

OLY-M4gery
10-09-2012, 19:15
All my pants have pockets, so I don't leave valuables lying around.

If i was wearing a 5.11 tactical kilt, w/o pockets, I'd leave the valuables HIDDEN in the car.

But, that's just me.

old_pigpen
10-09-2012, 19:18
If i was wearing a 5.11 tactical kilt, w/o pockets, I'd leave the valuables HIDDEN in the car.

You would have used your Tacticool cordura nylon sporan to hide your valuables :supergrin:

Gallium
10-09-2012, 19:21
I would have brought a small pail of sand and a couple of 1lb bags to give to her.


So she could go pound sand.

jpa
10-09-2012, 19:33
I would have asked her that letting her live was worth more than $50, isn't it?

That thought came across my mind and if she were dealing with someone from the streets she might have gone to the hospital instead of walking away. Unfortunately I weighed the options with a "balancing test" of sorts and not getting cited/arrested for simple battery won out. :supergrin: I have no doubt she's going to try to pull the same thing on someone else and it will probably only be a matter of time.

Yes, it was on Fremont st and I agree that on the strip she would have been hustled out the door by security as soon as she walked inside. One of the security guards was talking a big game about how they "don't play" and if she's on camera they'll get her. :upeyes: If only those cameras could tell you someone's full name, address, dob, social and phone number, right?

PaulMason
10-09-2012, 19:51
After security all walked away, she looked at me and asked me for the $50 that I "promised" her. I said "I never promised you $50, I just said I could do that. I don't believe your story and I think you stole the phone from the bathroom yourself. Be happy to walk away knowing you did a good deed by returning it." She flipped off the handle.



Who was the skank in this story? "She" found the phone in the toilet. No theft here. Yes, "She" could have turned it in. And she could have just kept it or trashed it. Or she could have run you around town for fun - meet me here, and not show.

If she was presented in a way you agreed with, would you have offered her money for her kindness?

You should have given her the $50 and thanked her.

But, you skanked out - you were too cheap so you found a reason not to give her some money.

JimBianchi
10-09-2012, 19:56
Ain't Vegas fun!



Not one freak'n nickel.



Glad it all turned out well.

Travelin' Jack
10-09-2012, 20:10
Who was the skank in this story? "She" found the phone in the toilet. No theft here. Yes, "She" could have turned it in. And she could have just kept it or trashed it. Or she could have run you around town for fun - meet me here, and not show.

If she was presented in a way you agreed with, would you have offered her money for her kindness?

You should have given her the $50 and thanked her.

But, you skanked out - you were too cheap so you found a reason not to give her some money.

"She" took property that did not belong to her, and attempted to extort money for the return of said property. I don't blame him one bit.

nursetim
10-09-2012, 20:14
You do not reward bad behavior. She showed lack of moral fiber, she got naught. She was not kind enough to return the items. She tried to abscond with the items, I would not give her dime one. The only reason she showed was due to greed.


Mr. Mason, you are far too trusting. The more I learn about humans, the more I want to be a veterinarian.

Cav
10-09-2012, 20:36
I have told others that they lost the phone and someone picked it up. It is up to them if they want to pay and get it back, but not to pay more than $20.00, or if they wanted to try and do a sting.

The issue we ran into is that most times its a few people involved and the person that found it, or last had it, splits the money with the person brining it back. We could not prove that the person who returns it, stole it. We can prove that they were expecting a "reward". They could prove in court they were getting high at the time of the theft with other people (and store video supported they could not have done it). So for an hour of two worth of waiting and an arrest that gets dropped, and court dates that come at the worst time, we can try to get back a phone, but if they spot us in our patrol uniform, with our patrol cars, the phone could be gone for good along with phone numbers, pictures, and data.

Me, I would pay $20 for my screw up to get back any type of ID or a phone. Lost money I could care less about, but a phone or ID I would want back and have no issues spending a few bucks over having to try and replace/rebuild.

Would you try to arrest a woman who tried to get a $50 reward for your lost badge? Think she could say or do anything that might make $50 seem worth it? Lost badge letter/home land security letter/NCIC entry sucks.

To me its a balance. Yes, its a hustle most times, but you did leave your property/failed to keep control. Make your own calls, as you have to live with it.

ateamer
10-09-2012, 20:39
The crackhead skank never had any $50 bill. You could have paid her with a swift smack upside her empty head.

jbglock
10-09-2012, 20:53
I wouldn't have given her one penny but I would call and ask for the head of security later on to discuss their handling of it.

blueiron
10-09-2012, 20:56
I would have gone to the nearest store that carried the game - Monopoly and given her a light blue $50 bill.

You never mentioned or promised her a Federal Reserve Note.

Louisville Glocker
10-09-2012, 21:05
Just tell her she was in possession of stolen property, and you're sparing her a trip to jail. Don't turn your back on her though, crackheads are dangerous and fairly crazy.

jpa
10-09-2012, 22:00
Who was the skank in this story? "She" found the phone in the toilet. No theft here. Yes, "She" could have turned it in. And she could have just kept it or trashed it. Or she could have run you around town for fun - meet me here, and not show.

If she was presented in a way you agreed with, would you have offered her money for her kindness?

You should have given her the $50 and thanked her.

But, you skanked out - you were too cheap so you found a reason not to give her some money.

NRS 205.0832 Actions which constitute theft.

1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 2, a person commits theft if, without lawful authority, the person knowingly:

(a) Controls any property of another person with the intent to deprive that person of the property.

(b) Converts, makes an unauthorized transfer of an interest in, or without authorization controls any property of another person, or uses the services or property of another person entrusted to him or her or placed in his or her possession for a limited, authorized period of determined or prescribed duration or for a limited use.

(c) Obtains real, personal or intangible property or the services of another person by a material misrepresentation with intent to deprive that person of the property or services. As used in this paragraph, “material misrepresentation” means the use of any pretense, or the making of any promise, representation or statement of present, past or future fact which is fraudulent and which, when used or made, is instrumental in causing the wrongful control or transfer of property or services. The pretense may be verbal or it may be a physical act.

(d) Comes into control of lost, mislaid or misdelivered property of another person under circumstances providing means of inquiry as to the true owner and appropriates that property to his or her own use or that of another person without reasonable efforts to notify the true owner.
(e) Controls property of another person knowing or having reason to know that the property was stolen.
(f) Obtains services or parts, products or other items related to such services which the person knows are available only for compensation without paying or agreeing to pay compensation or diverts the services of another person to his or her own benefit or that of another person without lawful authority to do so.
(g) Takes, destroys, conceals or disposes of property in which another person has a security interest, with intent to defraud that person.
(h) Commits any act that is declared to be theft by a specific statute.
(i) Draws or passes a check, and in exchange obtains property or services, if the person knows that the check will not be paid when presented.
(j) Obtains gasoline or other fuel or automotive products which are available only for compensation without paying or agreeing to pay compensation.
2. A person who commits an act that is prohibited by subsection 1 which involves the repair of a vehicle has not committed theft unless, before the repair was made, the person received a written estimate of the cost of the repair.

(Added to NRS by 1989, 1204; A 1999, 2706; 2001, 3024)


Either of the above bolded sections fits exactly. If she took the lost phone, she exerted control over lost/mislaid property. If she wants to stick to her story that some woman sold it to her for $50, she received stolen property. I don't know where you're getting the idea that she was somehow providing me a service and deserved to be rewarded, but I didn't ask for her service and she could have left it there or turned it in at security or to the lady cleaning the bathroom. What's your bank account number? I'll provide you the service of holding your money for you and when you need some, I'll tell you how much I'm going to charge you for holding it.


"She" took property that did not belong to her, and attempted to extort money for the return of said property. I don't blame him one bit.

That was kinda my opinion. I thought maybe she was telling the truth about buying the phone for $50 but she didn't say that on the phone, she asked "what are you gonna give me?" instead of saying "I paid someone $50 for it, I want my money back." Then I considered the source and realized how stupid it would be to believe her.

I wouldn't have given her one penny but I would call and ask for the head of security later on to discuss their handling of it.

I can't really fault them since they're not law enforcement but if I were director/shift manager of security, she's not the type of person I'd want wandering through my casino. They just had a situation where an elderly gambler got his ticket stolen from his slot machine and he wrote to the paper claiming they wouldn't do anything for him. I think making these type of people feel as unwelcome as possible would help curb these types of incident.

Just tell her she was in possession of stolen property, and you're sparing her a trip to jail. Don't turn your back on her though, crackheads are dangerous and fairly crazy.

That last sentence is sig worthy...I was fully expecting her to go crackhead on me but she just turned and walked away. Maybe if I wasn't 6'5" and 350lbs.....

janice6
10-09-2012, 22:04
Should have told her you were in town for a contract, and if she doesn't be nice to you, you can include her in it for free. Then smile.

frizz
10-09-2012, 22:45
I'd tell her that you are calling the cops to let them work it out. Watch her got-warrants-butt run.

Had she called you to try to return the phone, a reward would be in order. She didn't do that.

She was lying. $50 gets you a phone & minutes in many stores, no?

PaulMason
10-10-2012, 08:32
NRS 205.0832 Actions which constitute theft.

1. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 2, a person commits theft if, without lawful authority, the person knowingly:

(a) Controls any property of another person with the intent to deprive that person of the property.

(b) Converts, makes an unauthorized transfer of an interest in, or without authorization controls any property of another person, or uses the services or property of another person entrusted to him or her or placed in his or her possession for a limited, authorized period of determined or prescribed duration or for a limited use.

(c) Obtains real, personal or intangible property or the services of another person by a material misrepresentation with intent to deprive that person of the property or services. As used in this paragraph, “material misrepresentation” means the use of any pretense, or the making of any promise, representation or statement of present, past or future fact which is fraudulent and which, when used or made, is instrumental in causing the wrongful control or transfer of property or services. The pretense may be verbal or it may be a physical act.

(d) Comes into control of lost, mislaid or misdelivered property of another person under circumstances providing means of inquiry as to the true owner and appropriates that property to his or her own use or that of another person without reasonable efforts to notify the true owner.
(e) Controls property of another person knowing or having reason to know that the property was stolen.
(f) Obtains services or parts, products or other items related to such services which the person knows are available only for compensation without paying or agreeing to pay compensation or diverts the services of another person to his or her own benefit or that of another person without lawful authority to do so.
(g) Takes, destroys, conceals or disposes of property in which another person has a security interest, with intent to defraud that person.
(h) Commits any act that is declared to be theft by a specific statute.
(i) Draws or passes a check, and in exchange obtains property or services, if the person knows that the check will not be paid when presented.
(j) Obtains gasoline or other fuel or automotive products which are available only for compensation without paying or agreeing to pay compensation.
2. A person who commits an act that is prohibited by subsection 1 which involves the repair of a vehicle has not committed theft unless, before the repair was made, the person received a written estimate of the cost of the repair.

(Added to NRS by 1989, 1204; A 1999, 2706; 2001, 3024)


Either of the above bolded sections fits exactly. If she took the lost phone, she exerted control over lost/mislaid property. If she wants to stick to her story that some woman sold it to her for $50, she received stolen property. I don't know where you're getting the idea that she was somehow providing me a service and deserved to be rewarded, but I didn't ask for her service and she could have left it there or turned it in at security or to the lady cleaning the bathroom. What's your bank account number? I'll provide you the service of holding your money for you and when you need some, I'll tell you how much I'm going to charge you for holding it.




That was kinda my opinion. I thought maybe she was telling the truth about buying the phone for $50 but she didn't say that on the phone, she asked "what are you gonna give me?" instead of saying "I paid someone $50 for it, I want my money back." Then I considered the source and realized how stupid it would be to believe her.



I can't really fault them since they're not law enforcement but if I were director/shift manager of security, she's not the type of person I'd want wandering through my casino. They just had a situation where an elderly gambler got his ticket stolen from his slot machine and he wrote to the paper claiming they wouldn't do anything for him. I think making these type of people feel as unwelcome as possible would help curb these types of incident.



That last sentence is sig worthy...I was fully expecting her to go crackhead on me but she just turned and walked away. Maybe if I wasn't 6'5" and 350lbs.....

Grow up. The reason why the casino security guards left so fast was because they saw what kind of person you are.



She asked how much I was gonna give her. I told her to tell me what she wanted and she said "fifty bucks." I said I can do fifty.



You must be very proud of yourself for outwitting the woman with your verbal skills.

Yes, she could have turned the phone in to the casino. But in the end she did the right thing. There is hope for her. Not so much for you.

socialwork911
10-10-2012, 08:35
how much to give a crack head....about 15 rounds from my G17

jbglock
10-10-2012, 08:43
Grow up. The reason why the casino security guards left so fast was because they saw what kind of person you are.



You must be very proud of yourself for outwitting the woman with you verbal skills.

Yes, she could have turned the phone in to the casino. But in the end she did the right thing. There is hope for her. Not so much for you.

Lets say that the woman's story was true. Anyone that buys a phone off the street knows they are buying stolen property. You are over the age of 10 and know this yourself right?

PaulMason
10-10-2012, 08:53
Lets say that the woman's story was true. Anyone that buys a phone off the street knows they are buying stolen property. You are over the age of 10 and know this yourself right?

Yes, so ... This isn't about her actions it is about the child's - AKA jpa - actions.

Because she did something wrong does not justify the child doing something wrong.

Do you disagree with that concept?

The woman could just as easily kept the phone or trashed it. But, she took the time to return it. The child used word games, the law and her appearance to justify his childish actions.

I'm serious about this - a man does not act like the child. And you all can recognize the immaturity of his actions - especially if you have dealt with children.


Yes, she could have turned the phone in to the casino. But in the end she did the right thing. There is hope for her. Not so much for you.

RyanNREMTP
10-10-2012, 09:10
I would only hand her two quarters and say here's your fifty.

NDCent
10-10-2012, 09:29
If I was dumbass enough to leave the stuff in public, I would have paid the 50 bucks I agreed on or told her to take a hike, I wouldn't have lied to coax her into bringing it back.

But you're probably a tough guy and would have probably told her the same thing if she had (4) 6'8" 280 lbs. thugs with her. :upeyes:

Next time she finds someones phone she'll probably use it until it's shut off and then flush it.

saddlebum
10-10-2012, 09:34
don't know about Nevada,but in Oklahoma if you take something that doesn't belong to you no matter where you found it ,thats theft and you can be charge as such

PuroMexicano
10-10-2012, 10:14
Yes, so ... This isn't about her actions it is about the child's - AKA jpa - actions.

Because she did something wrong does not justify the child doing something wrong.

Do you disagree with that concept?

The woman could just as easily kept the phone or trashed it. But, she took the time to return it. The child used word games, the law and her appearance to justify his childish actions.

I'm serious about this - a man does not act like the child. And you all can recognize the immaturity of his actions - especially if you have dealt with children.


You must be the skank's sugar daddy. :upeyes:

Skank stole property, tried to extort, but somehow jpa is the one to blame. :rofl:

wprebeck
10-10-2012, 11:08
I have told others that they lost the phone and someone picked it up. It is up to them if they want to pay and get it back, but not to pay more than $20.00, or if they wanted to try and do a sting.

The issue we ran into is that most times its a few people involved and the person that found it, or last had it, splits the money with the person brining it back. We could not prove that the person who returns it, stole it. We can prove that they were expecting a "reward". They could prove in court they were getting high at the time of the theft with other people (and store video supported they could not have done it). So for an hour of two worth of waiting and an arrest that gets dropped, and court dates that come at the worst time, we can try to get back a phone, but if they spot us in our patrol uniform, with our patrol cars, the phone could be gone for good along with phone numbers, pictures, and data.

Me, I would pay $20 for my screw up to get back any type of ID or a phone. Lost money I could care less about, but a phone or ID I would want back and have no issues spending a few bucks over having to try and replace/rebuild.

Would you try to arrest a woman who tried to get a $50 reward for your lost badge? Think she could say or do anything that might make $50 seem worth it? Lost badge letter/home land security letter/NCIC entry sucks.

To me its a balance. Yes, its a hustle most times, but you did leave your property/failed to keep control. Make your own calls, as you have to live with it.

We have a specific criminal charge that applies to *******s that find stuff that doesn't belong to them and try to keep it - "theft by failure to make required disposition".

Essentially, the elements require that the owner of an item is easily identified and that the offender did not make any effort to return it. For example, a wallet with ID is easily returnable. Or, a smart phone...

Gallium
10-10-2012, 11:37
The lesson here JPA is to not let chic you've banged and dumped "follow" you on GT. :rofl:

So much venom. :whistling:

4Rules
10-10-2012, 11:46
The lesson here JPA is to not let chic you've banged and dumped "follow" you on GT. :rofl:

So much venom. :whistling:
I bet he dumped her as soon as he realized "she" was a trannie.

RetailNinja
10-10-2012, 12:02
Is this a GNG thread?

m2hmghb
10-10-2012, 12:29
Is this a GNG thread?

No but some people seem to think it is.

Bren
10-10-2012, 12:36
I said "I never promised you $50, I just said I could do that. I don't believe your story and I think you stole the phone from the bathroom yourself. Be happy to walk away knowing you did a good deed by returning it." She flipped off the handle. She started pulling at her weave and smacking her lips. I thought for sure she was going to swing on either of us at any second. She just snapped that maybe next time she won't bring the phone back. I told her to quit stealing other people's stuff and she wouldn't have this problem.

So I'm looking for an expert opinion...how would you have handled it?

That's exactly how I would have handled it.

Bren
10-10-2012, 12:37
If I was dumbass enough to leave the stuff in public, I would have paid the 50 bucks I agreed on or told her to take a hike, I wouldn't have lied to coax her into bringing it back.

But you're probably a tough guy and would have probably told her the same thing if she had (4) 6'8" 280 lbs. thugs with her. :upeyes:

Next time she finds someones phone she'll probably use it until it's shut off and then flush it.

So you really go through life that fearful?:rofl::upeyes:

Cochese
10-10-2012, 13:19
Yes, so ... This isn't about her actions it is about the child's - AKA jpa - actions.

Because she did something wrong does not justify the child doing something wrong.

Do you disagree with that concept?

The woman could just as easily kept the phone or trashed it. But, she took the time to return it. The child used word games, the law and her appearance to justify his childish actions.

I'm serious about this - a man does not act like the child. And you all can recognize the immaturity of his actions - especially if you have dealt with children.

You sound like a complete jerk-off.

What she was doing was essentially extortion.

00Glazz
10-10-2012, 13:24
I am absolutely amazed that someone would say that jpa was in the "wrong" are you serious??! +1 to OP for getting the stuff back and I would have done the same thing in your situation.

IGotIt
10-10-2012, 13:33
Yes, so ... This isn't about her actions it is about the child's - AKA jpa - actions.

Because she did something wrong does not justify the child doing something wrong.

Do you disagree with that concept?

The woman could just as easily kept the phone or trashed it. But, she took the time to return it. The child used word games, the law and her appearance to justify his childish actions.

I'm serious about this - a man does not act like the child. And you all can recognize the immaturity of his actions - especially if you have dealt with children.

Mason,

Are you a public defender or a social worker? Those are the only professions that I know of that justify those who do wrong.

jpa
10-10-2012, 13:51
Yes, so ... This isn't about her actions it is about the child's - AKA jpa - actions.

Because she did something wrong does not justify the child doing something wrong.

Do you disagree with that concept?

The woman could just as easily kept the phone or trashed it. But, she took the time to return it. The child used word games, the law and her appearance to justify his childish actions.

I'm serious about this - a man does not act like the child. And you all can recognize the immaturity of his actions - especially if you have dealt with children.

How is it wrong to do what it takes to recover your own stolen property? I don't know where you get this sanctimonious attitude that we made some kind of binding agreement where I was obligated to pay her for returning my friend's lost property that was stolen from where she left it but it's easy to judge from your keyboard when it's not your stuff.

She made a bad choice to waste her time by taking property that didn't belong to her and thinking she was going to get a reward for bringing it back. The phone would have been useless within another hour since we were about to report it stolen to Sprint and my friend has one of those "connect the dots" security code patterns on the screen so she couldn't make any outgoing calls. Her only option to get anything out of the deal was to bring it back. She took a gamble that I was a sucker and she lost. She wasted her time and had nothing to show for it.

As for using "the law" to my advantage, you're damn right I did. You know why it worked to my advantage? Because I didn't break the law and she did. If we wanted to really push the issue she very well could have gone to jail. Instead we let her walk away. Now that I think of it, I wouldn't doubt it if she had warrants on top of it. People who lack moral character generally do.

Maybe in the future she'll either a) leave stuff that doesn't belong to her alone or b) just turn it in to lost and found like a normal human being. Somehow I doubt that will happen though.

NDCent
10-10-2012, 14:48
So you really go through life that fearful?:rofl::upeyes:

Not hardly, but I can see both of you guys swelling your chest and puffing up like a bull frogs at a female crackhead. :wow:

The persona you play on a forum means squat. Once a liar, always a liar. :whistling:

Ohio Copper
10-10-2012, 14:58
Glad your friend got her stuff back.


Pay no mind to some of the bums on here, these are the same guys who think Zimmerman and Rodriguez did the right thing because they're CCW permit holders.


Sent from my PKE meter.

kahoys
10-10-2012, 15:09
It would have been worth $50.00 to get my stuff back, my fault for loosing it, and something for your time and willingness to return it, but hey thats just me.

PuroMexicano
10-10-2012, 17:23
It would have been worth $50.00 to get my stuff back, my fault for loosing it, and something for your time and willingness to return it, but hey thats just me.

I'll bite.

I would have given someone $50 bucks for returning my lost phone IF that person would've contacted someone to return it by themselves, not waiting for me to call them and try to extort money from me.

wprebeck
10-10-2012, 17:34
You know, I realized something. Assclowns who don't have a ****ing clue about this job think that, because we refuse to be intimidated by criminals, means we think we're badasses who can kick Chuck Morris's ass.

Its not about that, and the fact that you think it is, shows how little you know about law enforcement. A cop that is easily intimidated isn't much of a cop. The ability to fight is secondary to the professional presence that an officer presents. If you act like food, you'll be eaten. If you project a no-nonsense attitude that makes the suspect think you're not worth the trouble, even if they win, you've got half the job done already.

Not that some of you pansy assed sissy boys have a clue of what I speak. Hell, I'm still dumbfounded that a liberal pantywaist actually owns guns. Or do you?

PaulMason
10-10-2012, 18:10
How is it wrong to do what it takes to recover your own stolen property? I don't know where you get this sanctimonious attitude that we made some kind of binding agreement where I was obligated to pay her for returning my friend's lost property that was stolen from where she left it but it's easy to judge from your keyboard when it's not your stuff.

She made a bad choice to waste her time by taking property that didn't belong to her and thinking she was going to get a reward for bringing it back. The phone would have been useless within another hour since we were about to report it stolen to Sprint and my friend has one of those "connect the dots" security code patterns on the screen so she couldn't make any outgoing calls. Her only option to get anything out of the deal was to bring it back. She took a gamble that I was a sucker and she lost. She wasted her time and had nothing to show for it.

As for using "the law" to my advantage, you're damn right I did. You know why it worked to my advantage? Because I didn't break the law and she did. If we wanted to really push the issue she very well could have gone to jail. Instead we let her walk away. Now that I think of it, I wouldn't doubt it if she had warrants on top of it. People who lack moral character generally do.

Maybe in the future she'll either a) leave stuff that doesn't belong to her alone or b) just turn it in to lost and found like a normal human being. Somehow I doubt that will happen though.

You really need to grow up. You will find any justification you can just so you don't have to take a few dollars out of your pocket.

jpa
10-10-2012, 18:16
If I was dumbass enough to leave the stuff in public, I would have paid the 50 bucks I agreed on or told her to take a hike, I wouldn't have lied to coax her into bringing it back.

But you're probably a tough guy and would have probably told her the same thing if she had (4) 6'8" 280 lbs. thugs with her. :upeyes:

Next time she finds someones phone she'll probably use it until it's shut off and then flush it.

That would be a disparity of force issue that would need to be handled appropriately. It pays to be prepared.

Clutch Cargo
10-10-2012, 18:21
You don't pay her and she walks away with the SIM card in her pocket. :whistling:

jpa
10-10-2012, 18:35
You really need to grow up. You will find any justification you can just so you don't have to take a few dollars out of your pocket.

You really need to learn more about real life. There's a difference between demanding money in exchange for the return of property and receiving a reward for turning in lost property. If you can't see the difference I question your integrity and your judgement. Anyone who supports the idea of extorting money in exchange for property that doesn't belong to them is no better than a common thief themselves. I don't know how you look at yourself in the mirror.