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Ruble Noon
10-10-2012, 05:29
http://news.yahoo.com/al-qaida-making-comeback-iraq-officials-165659290.html

eracer
10-10-2012, 05:40
How can they be making a comeback? Saddam Hussein despised Bin Laden, and Al Qaida never had a real presence in Irag until we invaded the country because of the threat of WMD's and Al Qaida training facilities (which, in the case of the former, never existed, and in the case of the latter, existed in Pakistan, who is our 'ally' in the region.)

Al Qaida is filling the vacuum we created by invading Iraq and attempting to bring democracy to a land that has had tribal war for millennia.

We killed Saddam Hussein, and that's probably a good thing for the region, and especially our interests in the region. Not so good for Iraq.

JFrame
10-10-2012, 05:56
That OP news report must be false. Obama says that he killed Bin Laden, and has Al Qaeda "on its heels"... :whistling:


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GAFinch
10-10-2012, 06:12
How can they be making a comeback? Saddam Hussein despised Bin Laden, and Al Qaida never had a real presence in Irag until we invaded the country because of the threat of WMD's and Al Qaida training facilities (which, in the case of the former, never existed, and in the case of the latter, existed in Pakistan, who is our 'ally' in the region.)

Al Qaida is filling the vacuum we created by invading Iraq and attempting to bring democracy to a land that has had tribal war for millennia.

We killed Saddam Hussein, and that's probably a good thing for the region, and especially our interests in the region. Not so good for Iraq.

:dunno:

We did find WMD's there. As for the supposed tribalism there, one thing Saddam had done during his reign was instill a sense of nationalism among Iraqis. The main reason Iraq is having problems now is that we left a couple years before it could secure their borders against jihadists from neighboring countries and against Iran.

RyanBDawg
10-10-2012, 06:14
Good to know we accomplished something over there.


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RyanBDawg
10-10-2012, 06:15
:dunno:

We did find WMD's there.

Have you informed Bush of this?



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eracer
10-10-2012, 06:21
:dunno:

We did find WMD's there. As for the supposed tribalism there, one thing Saddam had done during his reign was instill a sense of nationalism among Iraqis. The main reason Iraq is having problems now is that we left a couple years before it could secure their borders against jihadists from neighboring countries and against Iran.The big mistake was not killing him at the conclusion of Desert Storm.

Hussein instilled nationalism by ruling with an iron fist. There is no doubt that he greatly improved the infrastructure of the country. Then we tore it down and rebuilt it. That's all well and good - I'm not a huge critic of Shock Doctrine military operations if the prize is big enough.

The problem is, the prize hasn't benefited either the American People or the Iraqi people, and just like the Taliban in Afghanistan, Al Qaida will take the opportunity to convince the Sharia and Sunni factions that their brand of religious fanaticism is what they need now.

As for the WMD's....they weren't the threat that could have justified the operation.

Skyhook
10-10-2012, 06:31
That OP news report must be false. Obama says that he killed Bin Laden, and has Al Qaeda "on its heels"... :whistling:


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CAMP BASTION: In addition to the two Marines who died, nine coalition personnel were wounded and more than $200 million in materiel was destroyed.


Could The One be mistaken? Is The One trying to mislead us all? The 'feces-for-brains' Obama Administration will, if allowed to continue, be the ruin of us all.:steamed:

Louisville Glocker
10-10-2012, 06:51
:dunno:

We did find WMD's there. As for the supposed tribalism there, one thing Saddam had done during his reign was instill a sense of nationalism among Iraqis. The main reason Iraq is having problems now is that we left a couple years before it could secure their borders against jihadists from neighboring countries and against Iran.

Sources? Where do you get your news from? Can you cite those WMDs that we "found?" And what leads you to believe that if we had left our troops in longer that the borders would magically have become secure in two years? Have you actually studied the geography or what is going on there? The borders are vast.

Cool that you can identify the "main reason Iraq is having problems now" in such a simple manner. Too bad that your statement is complete hogwash.

RyanBDawg
10-10-2012, 07:15
The easy way to know if Saddam had WMD's or not was to go the to pentagon and check the receipts from the 80s.

Funny how our wonderful government sells weapons to these people and tries to act morally outraged when they use them.

They hate us for our freedom you guys.

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JFrame
10-10-2012, 07:27
CAMP BASTION: In addition to the two Marines who died, nine coalition personnel were wounded and more than $200 million in materiel was destroyed.


Could The One be mistaken? Is The One trying to mislead us all? The 'feces-for-brains' Obama Administration will, if allowed to continue, be the ruin of us all.:steamed:

Just more "bumps in the road" for Obama... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/fool/bur2.gif


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Gundude
10-10-2012, 09:20
The big mistake was not killing him at the conclusion of Desert Storm.Mistake?

It actually epitomizes how smart Bush I was compared to Bush II.

Saddam was no real threat to us, but a significant one to the Islamic extremists in his neighborhood. There's a reason we armed him in the first place, and that reason didn't magically go away. In fact it became more compelling.

Bush I was dealing with the practical realities of the situation, and Bush II was dealing with Hollywood "realities": Saddam was a bad guy that needed his come-uppance. Well, that come-uppance sure cost us a lot, and benefited Iran more than anybody.

Snowman92D
10-10-2012, 09:24
They hate us for our freedom you guys.

You should be grateful that they do. If not, then the Islamists wouldn't have contributed so much cash to Ron Paul's campaign.

Gundude
10-10-2012, 11:00
You should be grateful that they do. If not, then the Islamists wouldn't have contributed so much cash to Ron Paul's campaign.
It's funny how Ron Paul supporters are accused of not being able to let go of Ron Paul, when it's the haters that introduce him into as many threads as possible, no matter how little he has to do with the topic at hand.

He lost. Let it go.

Snowman92D
10-10-2012, 11:02
I was just trying to be helpful. :supergrin:

Kablam
10-10-2012, 11:28
It's funny how Ron Paul supporters are accused of not being able to let go of Ron Paul, when it's the haters that introduce him into as many threads as possible, no matter how little he has to do with the topic at hand.

He lost. Let it go.

I was just going to comment on that. What the heck does Ron Paul have to do with this?

Ruble Noon
10-10-2012, 16:30
It's funny how Ron Paul supporters are accused of not being able to let go of Ron Paul, when it's the haters that introduce him into as many threads as possible, no matter how little he has to do with the topic at hand.

He lost. Let it go.

It is funny but, since they brought it up, this is a perfect example of how our meddling has unintended consequences which the statist's, noecon's and Ron Paul detractors vehemently deny.

FLIPPER 348
10-10-2012, 17:10
Saddam was no real threat to us, but a significant one to the Islamic extremists in his neighborhood. There's a reason we armed him in the first place, and that reason didn't magically go away. In fact it became more compelling.

Bush I was dealing with the practical realities of the situation, and Bush II was dealing with Hollywood "realities": Saddam was a bad guy that needed his come-uppance. Well, that come-uppance sure cost us a lot, and benefited Iran more than anybody.


Glad that someone here in GTPI gets it.

hogfish
10-10-2012, 20:10
That OP news report must be false. Obama says that he killed Bin Laden, and has Al Qaeda "on its heels"... :whistling:


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+1...He doesn't realize we succeeded in Iraq, as our reason for invading was to "kill them all over there". The only one we didn't trick into going into Iraq was UBL, but he got it in the end.

Yes, sir.

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