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GAFinch
10-11-2012, 06:51
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/11/poll-libertarian-party-nominee-could-be-spoiler-in-nevada-for-obama/

:smoking:

Cavalry Doc
10-11-2012, 06:58
There are quite a few social liberals in the libertarian party. Not a huge surprise.

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 07:01
Good, so now when I say I'm voting for Gary Johnson, you guys can thank me because I'm helping Romney out.


Like I said before, either way I don't give a $%^@ who you think I help "win". A vote is a vote.

JBnTX
10-11-2012, 07:09
Who ever would have thought that potheads would influence a presidential election?

jlavallee
10-11-2012, 07:10
There are quite a few social liberals in the libertarian party. Not a huge surprise.

No, more like people who realize that what others do is none of their damn business if they're not forcing it on anyone else.

I know lots of folks that lead a very "conservative" lifestyle but are adult enough to mind their business.

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 07:11
No, more like people who realize that what others do is none of their damn business if they're not forcing it on anyone else.

I know lots of folks that lead a very "conservative" lifestyle but are adult enough to mind their business.


Exactly. I never understand when the big gov't RINOs on this board accuse me of being liberal, because I want the gov't out of the American's lives in ALL aspects.

jlavallee
10-11-2012, 07:11
Who ever would have thought that potheads would influence a presidential election?

Yet another brilliant response. :rofl:

To the left libertarians are gun nuts, to the right they are drug users. Hated because they're adult enough to not have to force their BS on other people.

GAFinch
10-11-2012, 07:21
There are quite a few social liberals in the libertarian party. Not a huge surprise.

Yeah there are, but they sure won't admit it here. I've certainly seen them tell each other on Ron Paul forums that the LP is closer in ideology to the Democrat Party than to the Republican Party.

Vic777
10-11-2012, 07:24
Like I said before, either way I don't give a $%^@ who you think I help "win". A vote is a vote.It may be hard for you to wrap your head around this, it is somewhat obscure. You're correct, "A vote is a vote", but now here's the difficult part, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. So you are supporting Obama. You might not think it, in fact it doesn't matter what you think. You are supporting Obama. You are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. A lot of idiot college students and gays etc. are supporting Obama, they thank you, they also laugh at you.

aircarver
10-11-2012, 07:27
NV imposed Harry Reid on us all ... F* 'em .... :frown:

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OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 07:28
It may be hard for you to wrap your head around this, it is somewhat obscure. You're correct, "A vote is a vote", but now here's the difficult part, a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama. So you are supporting Obama. you might not think it, in fact it doesn't matter what you think. You are supporting Obama. You are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. A lot of idiot college students and gays etc. are supporting Obama, they thank you, they also laugh at you.


It seems like you have some reading comprehension issues there. This article is saying Obama may lose because some of his party is voting for Johnson, so if we go by your utopian way of thinking, a vote for Johnson would be like a vote for Romney.

Yep, you can thank me in 2012 for giving Romney a vote, because I voted Johnson.

JBnTX
10-11-2012, 07:31
Yet another brilliant response. :rofl:

To the left libertarians are gun nuts, to the right they are drug users. Hated because they're adult enough to not have to force their BS on other people.


Libertarians are "mistrusted" because they pretended to support Ron Paul and his strict constitutional beliefs, but when Ron Paul imploded they switched to Barack Obama who represents the exact polar opposite of Ron Paul's political views.

Explain that?

The only explanation is that after Ron Paul's demise they looked at Romney and Obama and asked who's more likely to legalize marijuana? The choice was clear.

Now that they realize that Obama will most likely lose, they're switching sides again.

Is this what dopers call "chasing the dragon"?...:rofl:

Bren
10-11-2012, 07:36
Good, so now when I say I'm voting for Gary Johnson, you guys can thank me because I'm helping Romney out.


Like I said before, either way I don't give a $%^@ who you think I help "win". A vote is a vote.

If you don't care who wins the election, why would you go vote?:dunno:

However, if the libertarians are really drawing more votes from the liberal/democrat side, then I encourage people to go vote Libertarian...I just don't think that is really the case. Of the 2 parties, the Democrats hate personal freedom a little more than the Republicans.

I notice the article mentions "Obama's lead over Romney." I heard them trying to explain that, frantically, on NPR yesterday. Apparently, Romney has a pretty good 4-5% lead, if you only count people who say they are likely to vote in the election. But if you include people who plan on staying home on election day, Obama is still ahead.:rofl::rofl: Seriously - that was the explanation. I can't really make that any funnier than NPR did.

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 07:41
If you don't care who wins the election, why would you go vote?:dunno:

However, if the libertarians are really drawing more votes from the liberal/democrat side, then I encourage people to go vote Libertarian...I just don't think that is really the case. Of the 2 parties, the Democrats hate personal freedom a little more than the Republicans.


I care who wins. I want Gary Johnson to win.

Between Obama and Romney though, I don't care. Same S*** different ***hole. :dunno:

They both hate personal freedom, and both parties have been guilty of everything from big brother to gun control, to even welfare. To think Romney will be the golden ticket America needs is straight utopia.

ChuteTheMall
10-11-2012, 08:41
Good, so now when I say I'm voting for Gary Johnson, you guys can thank me because I'm helping Romney out.


Like I said before, either way I don't give a $%^@ who you think I help "win". A vote is a vote.

Your vote doesn't matter, all of the Texas electoral votes will go to Romney.:nutcheck:
Your opinion is meaningless.

I care who wins. I want Gary Johnson to win.
.

I want to win the lottery, but I won't even buy a ticket, so it's not happening.:upeyes:

It doesn't matter what you want.

Vic777
10-11-2012, 08:47
It seems like you have some reading comprehension issues there.
...
Yep, you can thank me in 2012 for giving Romney a vote, because I voted Johnson.Hey, Democracy isn't perfect, we get the Government we deserve. I think this time around there are enough people with their heads screwed on straight to override your foolishment. You are in Texas aren't you? Do you know where you're voting?

Gundude
10-11-2012, 08:51
Libertarians are "mistrusted" because they pretended to support Ron Paul and his strict constitutional beliefs, but when Ron Paul imploded they switched to Barack Obama who represents the exact polar opposite of Ron Paul's political views.

Explain that?

The only explanation is that after Ron Paul's demise they looked at Romney and Obama and asked who's more likely to legalize marijuana? The choice was clear.That's part of the answer. Obama is also less likely to interfere with a woman's choice to have an abortion. Obama is less likely to intefere with anybody's choice to watch porn (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/14/850061/romney-pornography-prosecutions/?mobile=nc).

If a Libertarian had to look at only choosing between Romney and Obama, it is unsurprising one would choose Obama. It's not a slam-dunk in either direction. How does that make Libertarians untrustworthy? Both Obama and Romney are the exact polar opposite of Ron Paul. Are you saying that any Libertarian who votes for a mainstream candidate is untrustworthy, even though only a mainstream candidate can win?

Bren
10-11-2012, 09:03
To think Romney will be the golden ticket America needs is straight utopia.

More so than thinking you get to vote for "the golden ticket America needs"?:upeyes:

Bren
10-11-2012, 09:07
That's part of the answer. Obama is also less likely to interfere with a woman's choice to have an abortion. Obama is less likely to intefere with anybody's choice to watch porn (http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/14/850061/romney-pornography-prosecutions/?mobile=nc).

If a Libertarian had to look at only choosing between Romney and Obama, it is unsurprising one would choose Obama. It's not a slam-dunk in either direction. How does that make Libertarians untrustworthy? Both Obama and Romney are the exact polar opposite of Ron Paul. Are you saying that any Libertarian who votes for a mainstream candidate is untrustworthy, even though only a mainstream candidate can win?


It comes down to you and other liberals have certain rights that are more improtant to you - the right to have abortions, watch porn, use drugs, etc.

More conservative types have certain rights that are more important to them, such as the rights to own guns, pracitce their religions, keep the fruits of their labor and provide for their families.

Even though I am not religious, I side with the conservatives on those. However, both groups are for individual freedom on some issues and against on others. To me, it seems like the conservatives/Republicans support individual freedom on the more important issues, but watching porn and smoking dope may be much more important to you thahn to me. Your response is so off that, to me, it seems like you are making fun of the liberals/libertarians by suggesting that they place the most value on such things.

Gundude
10-11-2012, 09:15
It comes down to you and other liberals have certain rights that are more improtant to you - the right to have abortions, watch porn, use drugs, etc.

More conservative types have certain rights that are more important to them, such as the rights to own guns, pracitce their religions, keep the fruits of their labor and provide for their families.Your assumption that Romney would protect the conservative rights you enumerate is where you are going wrong. In a matchup between Obama and a real conservative you would have a point. Between Obama and Romney, you have none. Romney is first and foremost an authoritarian. Polar opposite of libertarian.

JBnTX
10-11-2012, 09:56
If a Libertarian had to look at only choosing between Romney and Obama, it is unsurprising one would choose Obama.


I just don't understand that?

How can a Ron Paul supporter switch sides and now support Obama, when Romney is clearly "at least maybe just a little bit" closer to the libertarian political platform than Obama.

There must be something other than political ideology motivating libertarians?

Brucev
10-11-2012, 10:00
Re: OP. Extremely wishful thinking in the extreme.

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 10:17
Hey, Democracy isn't perfect, we get the Government we deserve. I think this time around there are enough people with their heads screwed on straight to override your foolishment. You are in Texas aren't you? Do you know where you're voting?


The US was never intended to be a democracy, we're a republic.

Your post is what's wrong with America, and is why we're heading straight up for a collapse eventually.

Gundude
10-11-2012, 10:21
I just don't understand that?

How can a Ron Paul supporter switch sides and now support Obama, when Romney is clearly "at least maybe just a little bit" closer to the libertarian political platform than Obama.

There must be something other than political ideology motivating libertarians?Romney is not "at least maybe just a little bit" closer than Obama.

That is Romney's biggest problem. He takes the authoritarian stances from both sides of the spectrum. Drugs are bad. Guns are bad. Abortion is bad. Porn is bad. You must not have any of them. Health insurance is good. You must have it, even if we have to take from somebody else to give it to you.

How is he a little bit closer to libertarianism than Obama?

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 10:24
More so than thinking you get to vote for "the golden ticket America needs"?:upeyes:


See Bren, what the Austrian school of economics have on their side is history, and them predicting bubbles when the gov't subsidizes industries and their subsequent collapses.

Just because someone has an "R" by their party name doesn't mean they're any better for the country than that socialist democrat. The only difference most the time is they're better at hiding their socialistic tendancies, and the reason why we have these neo-conservatives elected is because we have converted this into a democracy (BIG mistake).

it's ok though, I'll let you continue on with your snide remarks, since 90% of the time you don't have anything useful to contribute to a political thread, and just try to win by out-yelling someone else.

jlavallee
10-11-2012, 10:37
I care who wins. I want Gary Johnson to win.

Between Obama and Romney though, I don't care. Same S*** different ***hole. :dunno:


You got it!

jlavallee
10-11-2012, 10:44
I just don't understand that?

How can a Ron Paul supporter switch sides and now support Obama, when Romney is clearly "at least maybe just a little bit" closer to the libertarian political platform than Obama.

There must be something other than political ideology motivating libertarians?

The only time I've ever heard any libertarian even consider voting for Obama was when that nut job Santorum was leading in some polls. In that case, Obama is still one of the worst Presidents in history but even I would do virtually anything to stop a prick like him.

In the case of Romney vs. Obama, yeah Romney is a little better in the sense that his supreme court nom's might be better (How could they be worse?) but in terms of liberty beyond financial, he is just as bad as Barry. Johnson is clearly superior even if he isn't all that Paul was. Like most of America, we're trapped between two steeming piles. We just happen to know it.

Acujeff
10-11-2012, 12:59
I care who wins. I want Gary Johnson to win.

Between Obama and Romney though, I don't care. Same S*** different ***hole. :dunno:

They both hate personal freedom, and both parties have been guilty of everything from big brother to gun control, to even welfare. To think Romney will be the golden ticket America needs is straight utopia.


Notice Gundude and October Rust have absolutely nothing positive to say about the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson. The libertarians here on GT advocate gun owners withhold support and votes from Romney, not Obama.

As Gov of NM for 8 years, Johnson achieved absolutely no pro-2A progress. Gun owners had to wait till Johnson left office to even get CCW. He publicly presented himself then as a non gun owner and had no desire to own one. Now that he’s running for President, he wants to own a gun. How is he good for gun owners?

Gary Johnson was a Republican for his entire political career from 1994 to late 2011, when he abandoned his Republican primary candidacy. He's only been an official Libertarian for several months now. Do we vote for the man or the party?

Libertarians are just hypocrites when they come to gun forums to call gun owners sheep for voting Republican when they are voting Johnson for the sake of "their" party. Johnson has no chance of even winning one state! How is that good for gun owners?

If Libertarians were honest about helping the RKBA they would be helping Romney beat Obama rather than calling for splitting the vote and trying to ensure Obama gets a 2nd term.

How is another 4 years of Obama good for gun owners?

Most Libertarians realize that and are voting for Romney (and this poll was done before the debate).
From Cato: Polls Show Romney Winning the Libertarian Vote
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/poll-shows-romney-winning-high-water-mark-for-libertarian-vote/

The benefits of President Romney pro-2A platform and record are much more preferable to gun owners, and our families, than the "let's let Obama send the USA to hell to teach Republicans a lesson" platform of the GT Libertarian strategists.

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 14:09
Notice Gundude and October Rust have absolutely nothing positive to say about the Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson. The libertarians here on GT advocate gun owners withhold support and votes from Romney, not Obama.



You either cannot read, or have not read many of my posts if you gathered I'd rather have Obama than Romney.

In fact, find me one post where I said, I'd rather have Obama over Romney. You won't find it. You jump to conclusions, and throw around insults, since you your big gov't platform cannot be debated to any logical mind.

Gundude
10-11-2012, 14:14
You either cannot read, or have not read many of my posts if you gathered I'd rather have Obama than Romney.

In fact, find me one post where I said, I'd rather have Obama over Romney. You won't find it. You jump to conclusions, and throw around insults, since you your big gov't platform cannot be debated to any logical mind.I think he meant me, but he has a history of overshooting, and seems unable to stop where the truth stops.

Gunnut 45/454
10-11-2012, 14:14
Of course they will cause that was there goal all along- re-elect Obamamoa! Liberterians = closet Dumocrats!:rofl:

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 14:17
I think he meant me, but he has a history of overshooting, and seems unable to stop where the truth stops.

He meant us both. It's a tough life when you're actually conservative, and these people who say they're "republican" can't fathom actually doing some cutting such as social security, or medicare - as I mentioned in my other thread on GTPI. :rofl:

Of course they will cause that was there goal all along- re-elect Obamamoa! Liberterians = closet Dumocrats!:rofl:


Such an intelligent post Gunnut. You've just convinced me with this post alone Romney is the way to go, as I'm sure many other lurkers/readers have been convinced as well!

GAFinch
10-11-2012, 14:20
The US was never intended to be a democracy, we're a republic.

Your post is what's wrong with America, and is why we're heading straight up for a collapse eventually.

Our current system is closer to a democracy than to a republic -- universal suffrage and no direct representation for states in D.C.

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 14:27
Our current system is closer to a democracy than to a republic -- universal suffrage and no direct representation for states in D.C.


You would be correct. Which is why the union is going to hell in a handbasket real quick.

Taxation without representation.

Not many could fathom libertarian policies, because their wife/friend/uncle/sister/brother/etc is either

1. on Social security or some sort of welfare program
2. is making a "career" out of the military
3. is a DEA agent
4. has some other subsidization of their job, because they weren't good enough to adapt like a truly capitalistic system would require them to do.

Sad but true, and it hurts a LOT of people's feelings when I tell it how it is.


Now call OctoberRust a liberal troll in 3....2.....1.... GO!

Snowman92D
10-11-2012, 14:30
Interesting.

You know, I've always suspected the "Cannabis Uber Alles" voters would be a bigger disadvantage to Obama than anyone else.

“When Gary Johnson’s included he gets 3 percent and actually takes mostly from Obama..."

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/11/poll-libertarian-party-nominee-could-be-spoiler-in-nevada-for-obama/#ixzz291Xk1a8o

GAFinch
10-11-2012, 14:43
Interesting.

You know, I've always suspected the "Cannabis Uber Alles" voters would be a bigger disadvantage to Obama than anyone else.

Which is why, no matter how well Romney is doing in the polls, I'm terrified that Zero will introduce some sort of pro-pothead executive order as an October surprise to boost his voter turnout rate.

Snowman92D
10-11-2012, 15:01
Which is why, no matter how well Romney is doing in the polls, I'm terrified that Zero will introduce some sort of pro-pothead executive order as an October surprise to boost his voter turnout rate.

Ah...I wouldn't worry about that. Most dopers I've run into have been above-average in the intellect department...at least in the beginning stages of their drug use...and I think they'd never fall for a ploy like that.

They well remember that the JBT's from Obama's DEA have been hammering duly licensed medical ganja dealers all up and down the west coast. They hold grudges against anyone who tries to get between them and their smoke.

Plus, Ryan has publicly stated that medical weed should be a states rights issue, and of course Romney, in large measure, leans toward states rights. That's how he explains his involvement in the Massachusetts health care deal.

Acujeff
10-11-2012, 15:13
You either cannot read, or have not read many of my posts if you gathered I'd rather have Obama than Romney.

In fact, find me one post where I said, I'd rather have Obama over Romney. You won't find it. You jump to conclusions, and throw around insults, since you your big gov't platform cannot be debated to any logical mind.

No insult intended - just the truth. You and Gundude only high jack threads on GT to attempt to dissuade gun owners to withhold support and votes for Romney. Neither of you have ever advocated withholding support and votes for Obama, who is the real threat to the RKBA.

You and Gundude still haven't answered the questions:

As Gov of NM for 8 years, Johnson achieved absolutely no pro-2A progress. Gun owners had to wait till Johnson left office to even get CCW. He publicly presented himself then as a non gun owner and had no desire to own one. Now that he’s running for President, he wants to own a gun. How is he good for gun owners?

Johnson was a Republican for his entire political career from 1994 to late 2011, when he abandoned his Republican primary candidacy. He's only been an official Libertarian for several months now. Do we vote for the man or the party?

Libertarians are just hypocrites when they come to gun forums to call gun owners sheep for voting Republican when they are voting Johnson for the sake of "their" party. Johnson has no chance of even winning one state! How is that good for gun owners?

If Libertarians were honest about helping the RKBA they would be helping Romney beat Obama rather than calling for splitting the vote and trying to ensure Obama gets a 2nd term.

How is another 4 years of Obama good for gun owners?

Gundude
10-11-2012, 15:16
Plus, Ryan has publicly stated that medical weed should be a states rights issue, and of course Romney, in large measure, leans toward states rights. That's how he explains his involvement in the Massachusetts health care deal.It's the states right to do a healthcare mandate, so he had to do it? Is that his explanation?

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 15:20
No insult intended - just the truth. You and Gundude only high jack threads on GT to attempt to dissuade gun owners to withhold support and votes for Romney. Neither of you have ever advocated withholding support and votes for Obama, who is the real threat to the RKBA.

You and Gundude still haven't answered the questions:

As Gov of NM for 8 years, Johnson achieved absolutely no pro-2A progress. Gun owners had to wait till Johnson left office to even get CCW. He publicly presented himself then as a non gun owner and had no desire to own one. Now that he’s running for President, he wants to own a gun. How is he good for gun owners?

Johnson was a Republican for his entire political career from 1994 to late 2011, when he abandoned his Republican primary candidacy. He's only been an official Libertarian for several months now. Do we vote for the man or the party?

Libertarians are just hypocrites when they come to gun forums to call gun owners sheep for voting Republican when they are voting Johnson for the sake of "their" party. Johnson has no chance of even winning one state! How is that good for gun owners?

If Libertarians were honest about helping the RKBA they would be helping Romney beat Obama rather than calling for splitting the vote and trying to ensure Obama gets a 2nd term.

How is another 4 years of Obama good for gun owners?

Don't people who support Mitt say he has to "work with the other guys in his state" ?

Johnson may not be a gun guy, but please find me one bill he signed that was gun control?

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues/guns-rights

DO NOT NEGOTIATE AWAY OUR FREEDOMS IN the name of safety.

From the United Nations to city council chambers across the nation, gun rights are constantly under attack from those who believe, mistakenly, that restricting our right to own firearms legally will somehow make us safer.



http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Gary_Johnson_Gun_Control.htm


Q: Where do you stand on gun control?
A: I'm one of those who believe the bumper sticker: If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. The first people who are going to be in line to turn in their guns are law-abiding citizens. Criminals are going to be left with guns. I believe that concealed carry is a way of reducing gun violence.
Q: Do you carry a gun?
A: I don't, and I don't own a gun, but I'd still just as soon have the concealed carry law. If the guy who is going to hold up a car knows there is the possibility of a concealed weapon, he may think twice. We don't have that law here.
Q: But the statistics show that people don't use guns to stop crime. They use them to hurt themselves or innocent people.
A: Yeah, but there is deterrence in the legality of guns. It's also part of the Constitution.
Q: The NRA disagrees with any limits. Do you?
A: I don't believe the laws regarding guns are effective. We're allowed to bear arms. It's part of a free society.





Again, find me one bill he signed that had to do with gun control, please. He may not have lifted any restrictions, but he certainly didn't sign in any either.


As important as 2nd amendment rights are, 2a rights mean jack %$# if your country is going through an economic collapse thanks to the two liberals this crony capitalistic democracy gave us. IE Romney and Obama.

Gunnut 45/454
10-11-2012, 15:25
OctoberRust
I'm not here to convince you or any other Liberterian. Just pointing out the facts! Fact #1 Garry Johnson will not win the election. Fact #2 if you vote for Garry Johnson you will be in fact voting Obamamoa back into office! Do you really think Garry will win in NV? Fact # 3 Obamamoa will not give you the "Freedom" you all say your for- just the opposite! Fact #4 you say you supoort the COTUS so why would you help the most destructive POTUS in our history back into office? So you decide =vote for Garry =help Obamamoa or vote for Mittt and get rid of Obamamoa!:supergrin:

OctoberRust
10-11-2012, 15:27
OctoberRust
I'm not here to convince you or any other Liberterian. Just pointing out the facts! Fact #1 Garry Johnson will not win the election. Fact #2 if you vote for Garry Johnson you will be in fact voting Obamamoa back into office! Do you really think Garry will win in NV? Fact # 3 Obamamoa will not give you the "Freedom" you all say your for- just the opposite! Fact #4 you say you supoort the COTUS so why would you help the most destructive POTUS in our history back into office? So you decide =vote for Garry =help Obamamoa or vote for Mittt and get rid of Obamamoa!:supergrin:

Gun nut, I suggest you look up the definition of a fact. :rofl:

plus now a vote for Johnson = a vote for Romney, according to this OP. :rofl: So we're good man! I'm on your side! :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Gundude
10-11-2012, 15:27
No insult intended - just the truth. You and Gundude only high jack threads on GT to attempt to dissuade gun owners to withhold support and votes for Romney. Neither of you have ever advocated withholding support and votes for Obama, who is the real threat to the RKBA.

You and Gundude still haven't answered the questions:

As Gov of NM for 8 years, Johnson achieved absolutely no pro-2A progress. Gun owners had to wait till Johnson left office to even get CCW. He publicly presented himself then as a non gun owner and had no desire to own one. Now that he’s running for President, he wants to own a gun. How is he good for gun owners?

Johnson was a Republican for his entire political career from 1994 to late 2011, when he abandoned his Republican primary candidacy. He's only been an official Libertarian for several months now. Do we vote for the man or the party?

Libertarians are just hypocrites when they come to gun forums to call gun owners sheep for voting Republican when they are voting Johnson for the sake of "their" party. Johnson has no chance of even winning one state! How is that good for gun owners?

If Libertarians were honest about helping the RKBA they would be helping Romney beat Obama rather than calling for splitting the vote and trying to ensure Obama gets a 2nd term.

How is another 4 years of Obama good for gun owners?How is helping Romney beat Obama helpful to gun owners? I don't buy your SCOTUS argument. The justices aren't as old as you want people to believe. Two will have barely turned 80 when Obama is finished, and the only one older than that is a liberal.

I don't believe Romney will veto any gun control if it gets to him, just as Obama wouldn't. The only assurance that he would came second hand through a washed up B-list rock star. He has never expressed any regret for his actions in MA, and more importantly, for his anti-gun statements that went along with them.

It's up to congress to defend the RKBA for at least the next four years. The president is a lost cause.

The president may cease to be a lost cause 4 years sooner if Obama wins. A Romney win would mean at least 8 years of an anti-gun president. Either 8 years of Romney or 4 of Romney followed by at least 4 of a Democrat.

That's my answer. As far as Johnson, I don't know. I'm not voting for him.

Gundude
10-11-2012, 15:45
Poll: Libertarian Party nominee could be spoiler in Nevada -- for ObamaCould be. I live in Nevada and if I voted for Johnson instead of whom I'm planning to vote for, it would definitely help Romney.

RyanBDawg
10-11-2012, 21:16
Impossible, Glock Talk has already confirmed that if you vote for anyone other than Romney you are an evil communist Muslim who hates America and are helping Obama.

Ruble Noon
10-11-2012, 21:40
Good, so now when I say I'm voting for Gary Johnson, you guys can thank me because I'm helping Romney out.


Like I said before, either way I don't give a $%^@ who you think I help "win". A vote is a vote.

No, no, no. Voting for Johnson is a vote for obama. :whistling:

jlavallee
10-12-2012, 01:06
No, no, no. Voting for Johnson is a vote for obama. :whistling:

No, no, no. I thought it was that if you couldn't tow thr party line and vot mittens you were really liberal coming out of the closet and loved Barry.:rofl:

Oh yeah, and you hated Jesus, apple pie and your mother.

Bren
10-12-2012, 04:51
In the case of Romney vs. Obama, yeah Romney is a little better in the sense that his supreme court nom's might be better (How could they be worse?) but in terms of liberty beyond financial, he is just as bad as Barry. Johnson is clearly superior even if he isn't all that Paul was. Like most of America, we're trapped between two steeming piles. We just happen to know it.

Yet, if you HAD to choose Romney or Obama - no 3rd choice and no refusing to vote - you seem to say you'd choose Romney.

That is what I see among Libertarians, which is why I keep pointing out that every single one who votes Libertarian is helping reelect Obama. (Obviously, if there are some who choose Obama if they had to choose between the 2, then theeir Libertarian vote helps Romney)

Bren
10-12-2012, 04:52
No, no, no. Voting for Johnson is a vote for obama. :whistling:

javallee just told you his would be. It's as simple as first grade math and those of you who pretend you can't figure it out just look foolish to most people here.

Vic777
10-12-2012, 06:54
Could be. I live in Nevada and if I voted for Johnson instead of whom I'm planning to vote for, it would definitely help Romney.The lieberals are counting on the moron vote to carry them over the finish line.

jlavallee
10-12-2012, 08:53
Yet, if you HAD to choose Romney or Obama - no 3rd choice and no refusing to vote - you seem to say you'd choose Romney.

If I was forced to vote then yes, I would vote Romney. But I am not forced and I would rather stay home than endorse a steaming pile like him. His only positive is he's slightly less *****y than Obama. Neither Obama or Romney is fit to grace the oval office so no voting for either of them.

I don't agree with Johnson as much as I did with Paul but he actually believes in the core principal our nation was founded on (individual liberty) so I have no issues supporting him.

If the GOP wanted my vote, they could have played fair and in addition would have to at least stand against NDAA and Patriot Act in their platform. As it stands, this primary season really woke me up to how statist the GOP has become. Personally, unless there is an outstanding candidate I will never vote GOP again even in local and state races. I'm voting for liberty or I am not voting.

jlavallee
10-12-2012, 09:09
And on the state front I've been down this path before supporting Heller and even Angle.

Heller has been a virtual disaster supporting the NDAA and going on with crap legislation that is only good for sound bites. He did OK on Gun legislation but hell, we're caught in a similar situation again with him and Berkley. She is typical nut job liberal retard but after supporting NDAA which is totally unconstitutional, I can't support Heller again. And the difference between those two is much bigger than mittens vs. Obama.

I actually donated money to Angle multiple times in 2010 hoping to be rid of Reid but the stupid bag had to go all bible thumper in the end and screws herself. Personally, I still think Reid cheated but either way, I am done supporting these GOP freaks. Even when they win (see Heller) America gets screwed.

How about we just follow the damn Constitution? The only President in my Lifetime that I'd even invite in for a beer was Reagan (well, maybe Ford) and while old Ron talked a good game, he did plenty to grow government. I want government out of my life and wallet. If it isn't in article 1 section 8 then the feds shouldn't be doing it.

Voting has become similar to being sent to prison and being asked do you want to be raped in the shower (Republicans) or be gang raped (Democrats) and the real answer is not to go to prison.

Gundude
10-12-2012, 09:24
Voting has become similar to being sent to prison and being asked do you want to be raped in the shower (Republicans) or be gang raped (Democrats) and the real answer is not to go to prison.The difference here being you will get either Romney or Obama. Voting for neither won't get you neither.

jlavallee
10-12-2012, 11:25
The difference here being you will get either Romney or Obama. Voting for neither won't get you neither.

That won't be my fault. I won't have either Presidency on my hands. The people that play party over principal are to blame for that and voting lesser evils has given us the train wreck of government we've had.

Honestly, who was our last good President? We've had statists pretty much since Cleveland. The voting population is split between two crazy factions with one the modern liberal who places primary importance on spending other peoples money and redistribution of wealth and the other the right wing bible thumping nut jobs who believe it is our right to have government legislate their morality and go to war to further their views.

The majority are caught in the middle swaying to one side or another based on personal views and personal gain. The growing few are libertarians who don't mind either side as long as they keep their ***** to themselves.

Without any remaining serious fiscal responsibility platforms in place, the one thing that leaned libertarians to the GOP is gone. Their war monger ways and totalatarian statist mentality with PATRIOT Act and NDAA were the last straw.

Bren
10-12-2012, 12:45
If I was forced to vote then yes, I would vote Romney. But I am not forced and I would rather stay home than endorse a steaming pile like him.


That's the whole point - if you like Romney a little more than Obama, and would vote Romney if forced, then deciding to vote third party, or stay home, is a benefit to Obama and a choice the democrats hope you'll make. Even on this forum, there are some of them trying to convince people to stay home on election day. Every one they convince to stay home is as good as getting to cast an extra vote for Obama.

That won't be my fault. I won't have either Presidency on my hands.

Yes, you will. A child should be able to see that. You think Obama is the worst choice and, therefore, your choice to stay home benefits him. If Obama wins, it is on your hands. If Romney wins, it is not.

jlavallee
10-12-2012, 13:41
That's the whole point - if you like Romney a little more than Obama, and would vote Romney if forced, then deciding to vote third party, or stay home, is a benefit to Obama and a choice the democrats hope you'll make. Even on this forum, there are some of them trying to convince people to stay home on election day. Every one they convince to stay home is as good as getting to cast an extra vote for Obama.



Yes, you will. A child should be able to see that. You think Obama is the worst choice and, therefore, your choice to stay home benefits him. If Obama wins, it is on your hands. If Romney wins, it is not.

Sigh, you just don't get it at all. I don't like Romney at all, I just despise him a little less than Obama. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR EITHER A-HOLE.

You guys need to wake the hell up and realize that we get crap politicians because of people like YOU who vote lesser evil.

If Obama gets back in then I can live with that almost as easily as Romney. The upside is in four years there is a slim chance at electing someone worthy of the office. If Romney wins he might be less crappy now but with the rules change the GOP establishment forced through it is going to be mittens in 2016 against the usual Dem clown so we loose either way.

The GOP and anyone who can't accept that I will only vote for a person who respects the Constitution can go **** themselves. A vote to support this GOP will NEVER happen.

Imagine a Romney win in 2012 results in a Romney run in 2016 and the a Ryan run in 2020. 12 years of statist idiots. Anyone supporting the GOP or Dem candidate is clueless.

Gundude
10-12-2012, 13:55
Without any remaining serious fiscal responsibility platforms in place, the one thing that leaned libertarians to the GOP is gone. Their war monger ways and totalatarian statist mentality with PATRIOT Act and NDAA were the last straw.I agree with that completely. I would add that guns were the other thing that leaned libertarians to the GOP, but that is also gone, at least in the presidential race.

The only difference in our positions is what we intend to do. You choose not to dirty yourself with a vote for either potential winner, while I seem to have grown resistent to the stench in politics and will vote for the guy with the earlier expiration date and less chance of getting anything done. I don't fault your choice, though. I've made it a few times myself in the past.

By the way, I see you're in Reno too. Get out shooting much? WCSF or just open desert?

jlavallee
10-12-2012, 14:08
I agree with that completely. I would add that guns were the other thing that leaned libertarians to the GOP, but that is also gone, at least in the presidential race.

The only difference in our positions is what we intend to do. You choose not to dirty yourself with a vote for either potential winner, while I seem to have grown resistent to the stench in politics and will vote for the guy with the earlier expiration date and less chance of getting anything done. I don't fault your choice, though. I've made it a few times myself in the past.

By the way, I see you're in Reno too. Get out shooting much? WCSF or just open desert?

If you want to hold your nose then go ahead. The party and candidate are obviously not as repulsive to you as they are to me. I've held my nose in the past but the GOP has clearly abandoned anything that I value for the pro war, police state so I can't abide the stench any longer. It's probably a good thing because they have never been fiscal conservatives or Constitutionalists anyway even though they had points on their platform.

Eventually the US will become a 3 party system or the GOP will get in line because the social conservatives are more and more repulsive to people. Unfortunately, that has traditionally brought votes to the Democrats because of the lesser evil thing.

I occasionally get to an IDPA match but usually just desert stuff.

jakebrake
10-12-2012, 15:46
I care who wins. I want Gary Johnson to win.
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i'm guessing you are a male? well, you stand a better chance iof getting pregnant.

and, what's up with the bloody kisses album cover as an avatar, yet october rust as a username?