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raven11
10-11-2012, 14:13
Like the title says I have been meaning to knock parachuting off my bucket list and a place nearby has been getting pretty good reviews.

It's a 14,000 ft Tandem jump.

Anyone went skydiving before? How was it ? And any tips would be appreciated


Btw..if Airborne Infantryman reads this and doesn't add the word PLF in his reply ill be sorely disappointed :tongueout:

mhill
10-11-2012, 14:17
Don't forget the parachute. Best advice I got.

DanaT
10-11-2012, 14:18
stay in a plane that is flying perfectly well?

whoflungdo
10-11-2012, 14:20
Like the title says I have been meaning to knock parachuting off my bucket list and a place nearby has been getting pretty good reviews.

It's a 14,000 ft Tandem jump.

Anyone went skydiving before? How was it ? And any tips would be appreciated


Btw..if Airborne Infantryman reads this and doesn't add the word PLF in his reply ill be sorely disappointed :tongueout:

All I can say is DO IT!! I took my son for his 18th birthday. It's something he will never forget. I wish I could of jumped with him, but wasn't able to. I plan on going soon myself though.

My only advice is to pay the extra to have it videod and/or photographed..

geronimo509
10-11-2012, 14:20
Don't forget the parachute. Best advice I got.

^ +1

You dont need to do the PLF. Since your going tandem if you do and get it on camera I'll give you $1.

ChinaCave
10-11-2012, 14:22
DO IT.

Its fun.

glock_collector
10-11-2012, 14:25
Wear clean underwear.....

Glock20 10mm
10-11-2012, 14:35
Will me your guns... just in case.

raven11
10-11-2012, 14:43
Will me your guns... just in case.

I don't think GT will like my guns , I own a Caracal 9mm

GlockPride
10-11-2012, 14:46
I always remember the famous quote:
If at first you don't succeed, well, skydiving's not for you.

Al Czervik
10-11-2012, 14:55
Go before it gets cold.





.....and drive fast, take chances. Pass on curves, aim at trees.






Usually, only the old school lawn darts get that.

Hauptmann6
10-11-2012, 15:02
Wear clean underwear.....

Why bother?

Hines57
10-11-2012, 15:03
Been a couple of times, it's the most intense few minutes you will ever have. Definitely record it.

nursetim
10-11-2012, 15:09
Go before it gets cold.





.....and drive fast, take chances. Pass on curves, aim at trees.






Usually, only the old school lawn darts get that.

And if you saw it on a cartoon, you can probably get away with it.

syntaxerrorsix
10-11-2012, 15:17
I did a tandem jump at Zephyrhills Airport last year.

We jumped at 15k. The best part is jumping out. The falling sensation quickly abates and you are left with the free fall and acrobats. It was cool I suppose, it was loud, harder to breathe than normal and we fell for some time.

The bad is pulling the canopy. I'm sure they make custom harnesses but this particular get up had my balls in a bind for the next 20 minutes. Reminded me of the first time we ties Swiss seats for rappelling. You only tie them loose once.

The landing sucked bad, the ground wind picked up apparently and I was advised to lift my legs and feet as high as I could and come in ass first. Think of a vegetable and sand enema at 18 knots.

I got my feet up as high as I could but the JM rolled forward a bit and that planted on foot down which we both promptly ran over. I limped off the field and told him not to worry about it. Took about 3 months to heal so wear good boots with ankle support just in case.

Bucket list item? Absolutely go and do it.

For me? I'll dive underwater.


Hope you have a blast :wavey:

G29Reload
10-11-2012, 15:20
any tips would be appreciated



pull the ripcord BEFORE you hit the ground.

stay away from power lines.

raven11
10-11-2012, 15:24
^ +1

You dont need to do the PLF. Since your going tandem if you do and get it on camera I'll give you $1.

that is great because my AF training on PLF consisted of 20 powerpoint slides followed by a 50 question quiz :rofl:

17&27
10-11-2012, 15:34
Forget the parachute.
Jump with an air hose or extension cord. I promise it will get hung up on something before you hit the ground.

schild
10-11-2012, 15:36
Tandem jumps didn't exist when I jumped, made two static line jumps from 3000'. The best part was climbing out the door to stand on a platform over the wheel while holding onto the wingstrut, waiting for the signal to jump.

We jumped using old military surplus round chutes.:tongueout:

Foxterriermom
10-11-2012, 15:44
I jumped a few years back and it was an absolute thrill! As mentioned, when the chute deploys, it jerks the living snot right out of you, but other than that it was a great ride. The free fall was awesome and then the guy I was strapped to asked me if I wanted to go down slow or fast for the rest of the way. I opted for the slow route and he twisted and turned as much as he could to delay the landing and get the most air time as possible. We also had a perfect stand up landing.

I highly recommend it!

fx77
10-11-2012, 15:53
The recruit asked the jumpmaster about his first jump.
Jumpmaster said at what altitude to pull the main chute. And if it did not open , the atwhat altitude to pull the aux. chute.
the recruit asked ," and what if my first and second chutes do not open? How long will I live?"
Jumpmaster said, " Son , U will live until U hit the ground."
Best wishes :)

LASTRESORT20
10-11-2012, 15:56
Don't forget the parachute. Best advice I got.



Agree....^^^

and make sure its "packed" right.... :)

gruntmedik
10-11-2012, 16:01
Don't eat White Castles before going.

Detectorist
10-11-2012, 16:20
Make sure your health and life insurance cover you. Many don't.

syntaxerrorsix
10-11-2012, 16:25
Make sure your health and life insurance cover you. Many don't.

Odd, I get coverage for technical scuba. Is it dependent on whether or not you are a tourist or a hobbyist?

Glockdude1
10-11-2012, 16:27
Caution: Skydiving is very addictive/expensive!!


I know!!

D-13766 :supergrin:

Detectorist
10-11-2012, 16:43
Odd, I get coverage for technical scuba. Is it dependent on whether or not you are a tourist or a hobbyist?

I don't think so. The insurance I sold classified skydiving as a hazardous activity and excluded coverage for it.

Are you a member of DAN? I used to live a few blocks from it in Durham.

Radam3
10-11-2012, 16:52
Do it! and get the video! When I went there were two options for video, a fisheye lens on my tandem partners wrist, or a second jumper from afar. If you have the same option, get the one from on your tandem partner's wrist. You will get to see a lot more and HEAR your reactions. The other video you cant hear yourself, and you dont get to see as much...

syntaxerrorsix
10-11-2012, 16:55
I don't think so. The insurance I sold classified skydiving as a hazardous activity and excluded coverage for it.

Are you a member of DAN? I used to live a few blocks from it in Durham.

Absolutely. I also carry tech/pro coverage through NAUI who uses Certain Underwriters at Lloyds.

Glockdude1
10-11-2012, 16:56
Get the video, get the pics. You will hate yourself later if you don't.

:cool:

syntaxerrorsix
10-11-2012, 16:59
Get the video, get the pics. You will hate yourself later if you don't.

:cool:

Meh, for the cost I can YouTube anyone else's.

raven11
10-11-2012, 17:18
The cost for the photo package isn't that bad, $100 for video or photos , $120 for both , $130 for it to be put on a USB drive, and $155 for 1080i blu ray

Thanks for the idea!

Lone_Wolfe
10-11-2012, 17:20
Do it, then post the video!

glock_19guy1983
10-11-2012, 17:22
Be sure to yell "Geronimo" when you exit the plane.

airmotive
10-11-2012, 17:27
Bring a case of beer. Stay at the DZ until after the last flight of the day.
Make lifelong friends and allow your life to change.

BSBD (Google it)

syntaxerrorsix
10-11-2012, 17:37
Bring a case of beer. Stay at the DZ until after the last flight of the day.
Make lifelong friends and allow your life to change.

BSBD (Google it)

:thumbsup:

Best advise in thread no matter the daring.

Clutch Cargo
10-11-2012, 17:39
Tip the guy that packs the 'chutes. :wavey:

PhotoFeller
10-11-2012, 17:51
I've never jumped or had an interest in doing it, but I admire you for being willing to go for something most of us don't have the nerve to do.

After reading through this thread, my advice is to take the slow descent if your jump partner can maneuver a bit to give you more hang time; savor the experience to the max.

Your jump will provide rich conversation material for the rest of your days. Take some time afterwards to write down every detail of the experience you can think of. Take photos of the airplane, your jump partner, the pilot, the jump service hangar and signs. Your journal and the photos will have great personal value in years to come.

Resqu2
10-11-2012, 17:59
Been 3 times, most fun I ever had I think. The thing I remember is how quiet it is after your chute is open and your just drifting. I did the video package and he used the Aerosmith song "Living on the edge" timed it to when the song has the long pause is when my chute was opening.

When someone ask me if I even been up in a plane I tell em I been up 3 times but never landed in one.

Glockdude1
10-11-2012, 18:10
http://i32.tinypic.com/2cza9h3.jpg

D.B. Cooper style.........

:supergrin:

JLB768
10-11-2012, 18:14
I'd say just make sure your strapped in well :supergrin:

http://www1.whdh.com/images/news_articles/492x260/120527_woman_dangles_skydiving.jpg

CitizenOfDreams
10-11-2012, 19:18
Don't forget the parachute.

And if you do forget the parachute, don't forget the camera.

fwm
10-11-2012, 19:19
Check out my wife's jump. Click on the last 'click me'. Should answer most of you questions.

http://69.76.243.227/parachut.html

costanza187
10-11-2012, 19:21
If you are somebody who stutters, you might only want to count to 3 before pulling the ripcord.

raven11
10-11-2012, 19:23
If you are somebody who stutters, you might only want to count to 3 before pulling the ripcord.

Can you elaborate on that?

Clutch Cargo
10-11-2012, 19:49
Can you elaborate on that?

Probably better than counting to 10. :whistling:

Al Czervik
10-11-2012, 21:32
And if you saw it on a cartoon, you can probably get away with it.

:wavey:

Syntax....I think you just got a bad TM. Some land them all standing up; some ride the passenger in every time.

Halojumper
10-11-2012, 22:59
Priority of actions (in increasing urgency)

1. Pull at the correct altitude while stable

2. Pull at the correct altitude

3. Pull!

dbcooper
10-11-2012, 23:44
Youtube Poop: Without a Parachute - YouTube


See You in Hell Johnny! (POINT BREAK) - YouTube

Hines57
10-12-2012, 00:45
Keep your mouth closed.

My second jump was in pretty cold weather. I guess I had my mouth open most of the way down. By the time we were ready to land, I couldn't see anything. I had slober frozen all over my goggles. My tandem guy wasn't real happy either.

3glkdog
10-12-2012, 02:18
When in doubt whip it out.

ricka10
10-12-2012, 04:24
I would suggest doing whatever it takes to jump solo and not tandom. When I did it many years ago there wasn't any tandom jumping and I packed my own chute. If a failure happened with the chute it was my own fault.

Back then it was five static lines and then a "hop and pop".

It builds confidence in yourself when yourself is all you have to rely on. :wavey:

costanza187
10-12-2012, 04:35
Can you elaborate on that?


Probably better than counting to 10. :whistling:

Yes, it's from an old joke:

These guys took their friend who stutters skydiving. They were instructed to jump from the plane, count to 10, then pull the ripcord.

They jumped out of the plane and did as they were instructed. As they were floating down with their parachutes open, their stuttering friend zipped right by them towards the ground going "TH-TH-TH-TH-TH-TREE". :outtahere:

Blast
10-12-2012, 04:39
http://vanachewashere.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/skydiv.jpeg?w=590

Halojumper
10-12-2012, 05:28
I would suggest doing whatever it takes to jump solo and not tandom. When I did it many years ago there wasn't any tandom jumping and I packed my own chute. If a failure happened with the chute it was my own fault.

Back then it was five static lines and then a "hop and pop".

It builds confidence in yourself when yourself is all you have to rely on. :wavey:

I disagree. The old static line progression method was fine for its day but it really was only suitable for people who wanted to get certified. Now with tandems, a person can go up, with minimal time and training and experience the joy of free fall. I did static line jumping for 14 years before my first free fall and you can keep. Besides, I don't think any DZs offer that any more.

aspartz
10-12-2012, 05:38
Start on the moon, there's less gravity.

ARS

Singlemalt
10-12-2012, 07:56
DO IT!

Odd, I did it a couple years ago, the ole bucket list item. This weekend I will put in my 100th jump, needless to say it became a hobby.

Glockdude1
10-12-2012, 08:03
I disagree. The old static line progression method was fine for its day but it really was only suitable for people who wanted to get certified. Now with tandems, a person can go up, with minimal time and training and experience the joy of free fall. I did static line jumping for 14 years before my first free fall and you can keep. Besides, I don't think any DZs offer that any more.

AFF is the way to go for learning to Skydive.

(Accelerated Free Fall)

:cool:

Al Czervik
10-12-2012, 09:12
http://vanachewashere.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/skydiv.jpeg?w=590

Anybody still do that?

mgs
10-12-2012, 09:29
I did a tandem jump at Zephyrhills Airport last year.

We jumped at 15k. The best part is jumping out. The falling sensation quickly abates and you are left with the free fall and acrobats. It was cool I suppose, it was loud, harder to breathe than normal and we fell for some time.

The bad is pulling the canopy. I'm sure they make custom harnesses but this particular get up had my balls in a bind for the next 20 minutes. Reminded me of the first time we ties Swiss seats for rappelling. You only tie them loose once.

The landing sucked bad, the ground wind picked up apparently and I was advised to lift my legs and feet as high as I could and come in ass first. Think of a vegetable and sand enema at 18 knots.

I got my feet up as high as I could but the JM rolled forward a bit and that planted on foot down which we both promptly ran over. I limped off the field and told him not to worry about it. Took about 3 months to heal so wear good boots with ankle support just in case.

Bucket list item? Absolutely go and do it.

For me? I'll dive underwater.


Hope you have a blast :wavey:

I have to agree!

mhill
10-12-2012, 09:42
Don't eat a bunch before you go. A friend of mine just did a tandem for his birthday and ended up tossing his cookies on the way down. The video guy got it all on tape. We all laughed pretty hard on that one. The jumpmaster knew how to handle it. Obviously wasn't his first time dealing with it.

SC Tiger
10-12-2012, 10:05
stay in a plane that is flying perfectly well?

You haven't seen many skydiving airplanes, have you.

(I made this quip to a friend who was big into skydiving and that was his response).

To the OP - if you're not the type of person that suceeds on the first try, stay in the airplane.

If when you ask if the chute is packed properly you get the answer "probably!" with a smile and two thumbs up, stay your ### in the plane.

Tom P
10-12-2012, 11:33
Bring your Tandem Instructor a case of beer or some liquor to share!

And don't die.

raven11
10-12-2012, 13:17
So since its going to be about 65 degrees when I jump how should I dress?

Tom P
10-12-2012, 13:49
They will put you in a jumpsuit anyway, so just wear what's comfortable.

syntaxerrorsix
10-12-2012, 13:52
So since its going to be about 65 degrees when I jump how should I dress?


Something that matches your sandals?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSDGXYJubSvRDBuidE6FQInzzsLtiL2Za_JYcQXpPIcSwybR7JJ3w



:supergrin:

Al Czervik
10-12-2012, 14:57
^^^

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


A good rule is about 4 degrees per thousand. So if it is 65 on the ground, and you are going to 13,500, expect it to be around 10-11 degrees at altitude.
A light T-neck and jeans will be fine as you will probably have a stinky, old jumpsuit on top. When you exit, you probably won't notice the temperature anyway.

The Maggy
10-12-2012, 14:57
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/135772_10151256311208628_864063547_o.jpg

That was a couple of weeks ago.

For a tandem, the only advice to give is to relax and enjoy the ride. It's a once in a life time experience for most... don't ruin it by being nervous and freaked out the entire time.

ETA: dress comfortable for the ground conditions. You lose about 3 degrees for every one thousand feet,so it's going to be cold no matter what when you get to the top; but you are only there for a few minutes and you will have a jumpsuit on over what you were wearing on the ground.

Glockdude1
10-12-2012, 15:20
They will put you in a jumpsuit anyway, so just wear what's comfortable.

Comfortable shorts, T-shirt, (No Collar!) A collar will "whip" your neck bad in freefall. Your fav tennis shoes. (tie the laces good).

Nothing in your pockets. As you sit in the aircraft, anything in your pocket will "bind" and you won't be comfortable.

Harness. Snug yet comfortable. Do not tighten the leg straps as you sit in the plane. Do it on the ground. If you do this, the harness will be TOO TIGHT for you on opening of the canopy. Don't put anything between you and the leg straps, you want to keep.

Post pics!! :cool:

MB_G19
10-12-2012, 16:56
Don't forget the parachute. Best advice I got.
:thumbsup::agree:

airmotive
10-12-2012, 18:35
Oh yeah...and watch this first.
Everything you need to know.

Fandango (1985 film complete skydiving scene) - YouTube

Glockdude1
10-12-2012, 19:07
Oh yeah...and watch this first.
Everything you need to know.

Fandango (1985 film complete skydiving scene) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEE2NFPDezM)

1989, when I first started AFF, my instructor played the VHS tape of Fandango one night in the packing room.

:supergrin:

The Maggy
10-12-2012, 19:34
Oh yeah...and watch this first.
Everything you need to know.

Fandango (1985 film complete skydiving scene) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEE2NFPDezM)

A classic!

I didn't learn at a fancy twotter dz, I started at a little Cessna drop zone; while proof joked about the small DZ culture... they hit the nail on the head.

Oh, and all of the flight scene, taxiing off the highway, the loop under the overpass, ect was all shot in my hometown. It always made the movie a little more enjoyable :supergrin:

Halojumper
10-12-2012, 22:40
AFF is the way to go for learning to Skydive.

(Accelerated Free Fall)

:cool:

I agree for people who want to actually learn to skydive and get licensed, but for the typical person who just wants to go for a ride, and has no intention of pursuing it further, the tandem is still the way to go. FWIW I did AFF and have never done a tandem.

Huaco Kid
10-12-2012, 23:23
Arch, thousand,

Look, thousand,

Reach. thousand,

PULL, THOUSAND!

itstime
10-12-2012, 23:37
DO IT!

Odd, I did it a couple years ago, the ole bucket list item. This weekend I will put in my 100th jump, needless to say it became a hobby.

To heck with your hobby. Your sig line just woke up my wife.

Oh that's funny. I'm in trouble and blame you! :)

JuneyBooney
10-13-2012, 00:34
Don't forget the parachute. Best advice I got.

That is good advice as well as telling him to take out lots of life insurance and make us all the benefactors. :whistling:

Blast
10-13-2012, 00:48
http://yellowmagpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Proximity-Wingsuit-Flying-Picture-Image.jpg

http://www.manx-haven.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/friday_gifdump_29_14.gif

The Maggy
10-13-2012, 02:48
Caution: Skydiving is very addictive/expensive!!


I know!!

D-13766 :supergrin:

Most Skydivers that I know ended up with A.I.D.S. (Airport induced divorce syndrome) :supergrin:

You never break up with your skydiving girlfriend, you just lose your slot:whistling:

sns3guppy
10-13-2012, 04:32
I began jumping about 30 years ago, justifying it by saying I'd try it once. I failed.

The problem with starting skydiving is being able to stop.

It's the best remedy I ever found for stress. Bad day? Job pressures? Preoccupied? Jump.

Nobody at the DZ cares who you are or what you do. All they care is that you don't care, and that you want to jump. It's a place you'll find it's easy to be accepted and to accept. It's a great place to get away, to hang out, and to be.

Skydiving isn't about a thrill. It's about freedom.

It's not about financial freedom, of course; once you start, kiss your savings goodby.

Lone_Wolfe
10-14-2012, 00:21
I began jumping about 30 years ago, justifying it by saying I'd try it once. I failed.

The problem with starting skydiving is being able to stop.

It's the best remedy I ever found for stress. Bad day? Job pressures? Preoccupied? Jump.

Nobody at the DZ cares who you are or what you do. All they care is that you don't care, and that you want to jump. It's a place you'll find it's easy to be accepted and to accept. It's a great place to get away, to hang out, and to be.

Skydiving isn't about a thrill. It's about freedom.

It's not about financial freedom, of course; once you start, kiss your savings goodby.

Damn good post, never thought of it quite this way. I'm going skydiving.

airmotive
10-14-2012, 03:45
Damn good post, never thought of it quite this way. I'm going skydiving.

Where are you located?...we'll help you find a DZ that's not just a tandem factory, but a home.

Hamrhed
10-14-2012, 16:38
I did a tandem jump at Zephyrhills Airport
My dad moved us to Florida around '74, and he jumped many times at Zhills and Riverview. I enjoyed the atmosphere and cameraderie he had with his buddies- they were most definitely a tribe (anyone know what the Cardinal Puff ritual is?). I thought I might join them when I was old enough... wasn't meant to be.

My dad passed away at Riverview in May of '79: just one of those days when a simple malfunction changes lives forever... I miss him dearly- and I would probably be a jumper if not for the respect I have for my mother.

syntaxerrorsix
10-14-2012, 16:45
My dad moved us to Florida around '74, and he jumped many times at Zhills and Riverview. I enjoyed the atmosphere and cameraderie he had with his buddies- they were most definitely a tribe (anyone know what the Cardinal Puff ritual is?). I thought I might join them when I was old enough... wasn't meant to be.

My dad passed away at Riverview in May of '79: just one of those days when a simple malfunction changes lives forever... I miss him dearly- and I would probably be a jumper if not for the respect I have for my mother.

The tribe is alive in well in Zhills. Go reconnect :wavey:

I didn't connect either... my love is below 1ATM.

We all have a path.

Hamrhed
10-14-2012, 17:00
We all have a path.
Amen... be safe :wavey:

sns3guppy
10-14-2012, 18:53
Damn good post, never thought of it quite this way. I'm going skydiving.

I'll join you, one of these days.

raven11
10-16-2012, 15:02
Well today's jump got canceled due to wind/gust I'll post up the video when the weather improves and I jump

The Maggy
10-16-2012, 15:45
Well today's jump got canceled due to wind/gust I'll post up the video when the weather improves and I jump

Good for you for getting out to the dz. Unfortunately weather is the nature of the sport. Don't give up on it, even the biggest bad ass in the sport was grounded by the winds a for a few days.

nursetim
10-16-2012, 16:09
Just don't do it in a kilt without charging a burlesque tax first. You'll see a theme developing in my responses.

snowcrash75
10-16-2012, 16:28
Well today's jump got canceled due to wind/gust I'll post up the video when the weather improves and I jump

Skydive Chicago, CSC, or other?

snowcrash75
10-16-2012, 16:40
http://vimeo.com/49805056

Quick and dirty edit my buddy Jean recently put together of an angle camp this year at the Ranch (one of three). I'm the one in the grey and red rig.
Like the rest of the GT jumpers who've chimed in, this may get a hold of you. Like sns3guppy said, its about freedom. My favorite thing about jumping is that it is the most clear you may ever be in your entire life. Everything is about that very moment, without preoccupation, or distraction. Things are as you see them to be, and you will NEVER forget how good it feels. Everyone has to die someday. Until then, you might as well really LIVE :-)
C33579

From 1:44 to 2:07, we were flying along the edge of a cloud that I'd put about four or five thousand feet tall. Nothing makes me grin bigger than 140 miles an hour and a big ol cloud ;-D

raven11
10-16-2012, 16:45
skydive chicago, csc, or other?

csc

...

snowcrash75
10-16-2012, 16:54
Awesome! Either of those DZ's kicks ass, and are both extremely reputable. Don't be disappointed about the wind, it comes with the territory, and as the old saying goes, "It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground."

raven11
10-16-2012, 17:04
Awesome! Either of those DZ's kicks ass, and are both extremely reputable. Don't be disappointed about the wind, it comes with the territory, and as the old saying goes, "It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air, than in the air wishing you were on the ground."

I agree, today they called me at 8:00am to let me know that they could call off jumps due to wind. so I let them know that i have to leave to drive to the airport at a certain time so they called me before I left to say that they could not jump today.

(because i'm thinking you can't refund online purchases)they also gave me a free reschedule for the next 365 days

snowcrash75
10-16-2012, 17:20
You best be rescheduling soon, or put that receipt on a high shelf til June. Not that you can't jump year round, but it's better to wait until you REALLY love it before you jump in the winter (some of you guys know what I'm talking about :P )...think 20 degrees with 125 mph winds. I'm more of a shorts and tshirt kind of jumper! I'll cut down from 4-6 jumps every weekend the weather agrees to 1ish a month in the cold times. A weekend or two in Florida over the winter, but otherwise, this is the time of year I like the least. I'm sure at the range a lot more!!