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Glock!9
10-12-2012, 10:45
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/local&id=8844746

nursetim
10-12-2012, 11:10
YOYO Lt., you seem to have anger issues.

frizz
10-12-2012, 14:18
The thread about this incident in GNG got the lock.

The facts I gleaned from the vid are:

She had been spraying silly string in the direction of a different group of officers, but I couldn't tell if she hit any of them. Even if she missed, isn't the attempt disorderly conduct?

Someone else threw the water that hit the LT -- in fact, some of it hit her.

Even though she isn't spotless, I fail to see why he decided a punch to her mouth was needed to take her into custody.

nursetim
10-12-2012, 15:45
Mistaken heabeus grabus you van walk away from. Mistaken punch in the face, not so much. I do not see him as a victim in this. Unless of course he didn't punch miss thing, then yeah, he's being railroaded.

This is one of the reasons I didn't do well in law enforcement, I'm not my guys right or wrong kind of guy, especially if they are wrong.

scottydl
10-12-2012, 23:08
I dare anyone to put themselves in that kind of high-tensioned dynamic situation (essentially a street riot with various threats of attack and unknown physical objects coming from all directions) and see if you act differently. Of course he could have handled it differently. But IMO his response wasn't too far over the line either.

JuneyBooney
10-13-2012, 01:48
The thread about this incident in GNG got the lock.

The facts I gleaned from the vid are:

She had been spraying silly string in the direction of a different group of officers, but I couldn't tell if she hit any of them. Even if she missed, isn't the attempt disorderly conduct?

Someone else threw the water that hit the LT -- in fact, some of it hit her.

Even though she isn't spotless, I fail to see why he decided a punch to her mouth was needed to take her into custody.

He may have thought she spit on him and that would warrant a "beech slap". :whistling:

Clutch Cargo
10-13-2012, 02:13
I've never had a woman try to use a deadly weapon on me, that's why I've never hot one. I see no reason to ever hit a woman unless she has me in mortal danger.

merlynusn
10-13-2012, 07:56
I've never had a woman try to use a deadly weapon on me, that's why I've never hot one. I see no reason to ever hit a woman unless she has me in mortal danger.

Many officers can attest to the fact that their worst fight was with a skinny 100# woman.

And your chivalry is great for you, but that is not what our job is. We don't know hit people randomly, it's in the course of affecting an arrest using the least amount of force that is reasonable in the circumstances.

txleapd
10-13-2012, 11:32
I've never had a woman try to use a deadly weapon on me, that's why I've never hot one. I see no reason to ever hit a woman unless she has me in mortal danger.

Huh?

If a woman (or ANYONE) has me in mortal danger, they're gonna be in mortal danger right back. Why would only only hit someone (or ANYONE) of they were trying to kill you? That makes no sense. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but with that attitude, I hope you're not a cop.

The worst fight I've ever been in was a 270 pound felon who didn't want to go back to jail. The next 10 worst ones were 100 pound women. Anyone who thinks a 100 pound woman can't hurt you with her hands/nails/teeth/feet, etc, has never been attacked by one. When it happens, that's not the time for chivalry, or good manners.

nursetim
10-13-2012, 13:01
He may have thought she spit on him and that would warrant a "beech slap". :whistling:

No, in fact it doesn't. Nickel bracelets, yes. A punch in the face, no way. Been spit on way to many times, disgusting yes, punch worthy, nope. Kick me in the jumbly bit would get you a punch quick fast and in a hurry though.

frizz
10-13-2012, 13:27
Many officers can attest to the fact that their worst fight was with a skinny 100# woman.

And your chivalry is great for you, but that is not what our job is. We don't know hit people randomly, it's in the course of affecting an arrest using the least amount of force that is reasonable in the circumstances.

If she had fought, all bets (chivalry) are off, and I'd be 100% behind him. But she didn't fight, and he didn't need to punch her in the mouth. That's why I don't support him.

That said, it looks like he is going to lose his pension, and that is excessive.

Morris
10-13-2012, 17:05
Many officers can attest to the fact that their worst fight was with a skinny 100# woman.

Some of the roughest rodeos were with smaller females. Watched one kick her dad in the junk while two of us were wrestling her into cuffs because of her drunken behavior.

Hack
10-13-2012, 18:33
There are reasons I would rather work in a male prison, verses a female one. Those little miscreants in the female joint can become claws, teeth, and feet in a heartbeat.:wow: Not to mention, there is the fact that females who live together have a tendency to develop having their monthly together.:ack:

JuneyBooney
10-13-2012, 19:56
Some of the roughest rodeos were with smaller females. Watched one kick her dad in the junk while two of us were wrestling her into cuffs because of her drunken behavior.

That hurts just thinking about it. :rofl::crying:I did hit a large woman years ago. She was up in my face when I was a bouncer working through college. She was huge and looked like Bertha buttt...bigger than me... Acted like a man and got tossed out like a man..:whistling:

Ohio Cop
10-13-2012, 21:20
No, in fact it doesn't. Nickel bracelets, yes. A punch in the face, no way. Been spit on way to many times, disgusting yes, punch worthy, nope. Kick me in the jumbly bit would get you a punch quick fast and in a hurry though.

I'd consider a punch or kick to my junk deadly force on their part. You kick me hard enough and (any man in here knows this) I'm out of the fight for at least a few seconds. What can they do to me in that time frame? Take my gun? Stab me? Not to mention the severe injury the strike itself will cause. I can articulate it.

And again, I'll vote for the 100# 17 year old who put up a hell of a fight and them broke the sliding door of my partition.

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JuneyBooney
10-13-2012, 22:44
I'd consider a punch or kick to my junk deadly force on their part. You kick me hard enough and (any man in here knows this) I'm out of the fight for at least a few seconds. What can they do to me in that time frame? Take my gun? Stab me? Not to mention the severe injury the strike itself will cause. I can articulate it.

And again, I'll vote for the 100# 17 year old who put up a hell of a fight and them broke the sliding door of my partition.

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I fully agree. I have been hit so hard that they swell up and I have to be carried off so I know exactly what you mean. Man, that hurts just writing about it. :shocked:

Clutch Cargo
10-14-2012, 00:06
Many officers can attest to the fact that their worst fight was with a skinny 100# woman.

And your chivalry is great for you, but that is not what our job is. We don't know hit people randomly, it's in the course of affecting an arrest using the least amount of force that is reasonable in the circumstances.

You left out the part about the woman being on PCP. No doubt most officers are just trying to avoid hurting a violent female.

Clutch Cargo
10-14-2012, 00:13
Huh?

If a woman (or ANYONE) has me in mortal danger, they're gonna be in mortal danger right back. Why would only only hit someone (or ANYONE) of they were trying to kill you? That makes no sense. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but with that attitude, I hope you're not a cop.

The worst fight I've ever been in was a 270 pound felon who didn't want to go back to jail. The next 10 worst ones were 100 pound women. Anyone who thinks a 100 pound woman can't hurt you with her hands/nails/teeth/feet, etc, has never been attacked by one. When it happens, that's not the time for chivalry, or good manners.

That only holds true for women. I come from a family where my mother was physically abused. At age 9, I made a vow to never hit a woman unless my life was in danger. I've got scars from a number of violent women whom I did my best to control without striking them. I took up Judo to increase my ability defend myself without resorting to striking someone.
I have no issue puting a man's lights out in ANY defensive situation.

steveksux
10-14-2012, 00:37
I'd consider a punch or kick to my junk deadly force on their part. You kick me hard enough and (any man in here knows this) I'm out of the fight for at least a few seconds. What can they do to me in that time frame? Take my gun? Stab me? Not to mention the severe injury the strike itself will cause. I can articulate it.You can always write out the articulation to start off until you can catch your breath... :tongueout::rofl:

Randy

A6Gator
10-14-2012, 08:51
Maybe he was trying to brush a fly off her shoulder...:supergrin:

txleapd
10-14-2012, 17:31
That only holds true for women. I come from a family where my mother was physically abused. At age 9, I made a vow to never hit a woman unless my life was in danger. I've got scars from a number of violent women whom I did my best to control without striking them. I took up Judo to increase my ability defend myself without resorting to striking someone.
I have no issue puting a man's lights out in ANY defensive situation.

I only mean this as purely constructive... You may want reevaluate your beliefs and tactics. If your failure to properly engage a violent subject resulted in an escalation of force, or injury to someone else, and you worked for me, I'd have your job over it.

This job is hard enough without you dragging you personal baggage into it. It is causing you to lack an impartial attitude, which is key to police work. The people you work with, and citizens you swore to protect deserve better.

Mayhem like Me
10-15-2012, 13:20
His use of force in that situation would get him fired here...And it would warrant presenting the facts to prosecutors for charges..
He was out of line and over the top....

Being in a high stress situation does not erase bad decisions what was use of force ? "sucker punch" on the response to subject.
Ask tell make , not Punch in face.

And yes I have gone toe to toe ALOT I broke a 200lb womans tooth and it took 5 jailers to get her in "the chair."
This was a hippie chick thinking she was funny, Does she go to jail...YES.... his use of force was a mockery and he should have nopt been on the street if he can't handle that little bit of stress.

freeride88
10-15-2012, 17:33
I've got no issue with striking a woman when necessary. This was absolutely not necessary. I won't be supporting him and I don't think anyone should.

This officer is the exact reason civilians hate us.

strangepork
10-16-2012, 08:17
I've got no issue with striking a woman when necessary. This was absolutely not necessary. I won't be supporting him and I don't think anyone should.

This officer is the exact reason civilians hate us.

Jesus, thank you. The rationalizing/equivocating that takes place in some of these threads is ****ing ridiculous.

m2hmghb
10-16-2012, 09:29
Jesus, thank you. The rationalizing/equivocating that takes place in some of these threads is ****ing ridiculous.

Then why do you read them?

strangepork
10-16-2012, 09:34
Then why do you read them?

:upeyes:

If participating in a circle-jerk echo chamber is your thing, more power to you. Unfortunately, you may have to tolerate opposing opinions from time to time. Such is life; deal with it.

SGT HATRED
10-16-2012, 09:40
I've got no issue with striking a woman when necessary. This was absolutely not necessary. I won't be supporting him and I don't think anyone should.

This officer is the exact reason civilians hate us.

It's a miracle!
Thank you freeride for your honesty.

Mayhem like Me
10-16-2012, 19:09
It's a miracle!
Thank you freeride for your honesty.

Save the drama!

You want respect here earn it by having an open mind.

You have an alligator mouth and a hummingbird *** when it comes to substantive contributions.