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ditto1958
10-13-2012, 19:02
I want an M4 carbine. The Colt LE6920 with the carry handle is exactly what I'm looking for. They seem to run about $1100 to 1200 in stores around here. The Windham Weaponry MPC seems to be pretty much the same rifle. It usually lists for a couple hundred cheaper. Anyone have any opinions on this? Will I be happy if I take the cheaper route?

AK_Stick
10-13-2012, 19:13
Windham, IIRC, is essentially what was Bushmaster, before they were bought out.


As such, unless they've drastically changed the way they do buisness, which I really doubt, they're essentially the same as BM used to be.

I would save a few more pennies, and get the Colt. BM's can be good guns, but they skip a few steps here and there to keep costs down, and I don't mind the slight extra fee. If you're curious google the AR-15 chart, and note the differences between the BM and the Colt. If you don't mind the differences, save some money and buy the BM. Its not at all a bad gun, but it isn't a Colt.


Also, take a good look at the S&W M&P 15, they may be slightly cheaper, but similar to the Colt.

WinterWizard
10-13-2012, 19:23
WW is not BM. Yes, they are the old BM employees, but their manufacturing and quality are improved. It's a mistake to say that WW is "the old BM."

I am not arguing Colt vs WW, but please don't make assumptions without doing some research.

For instance, the AR-15 chart specifies that BM does NOT have an MPI or pressure tested bolt (batch tested), a shot peened bolt or a property staked gas key. It also specifies M2 feedramps.

The new WW ARs DO have a MPI and pressure tested bolt, a shot peened bolt and a beautifully staked gas key. I know, I have one. They also have M4 feedramps.

Also, BM has a one year warranty, whereas WW has a lifetime fully transferable warranty.

And these are just a few of the differences I noticed. I am sure there are more.

OP, WW is it's own entity with a great reputation so far. Don't listen when people simply say, "Windham Weaponry is the old BM before they were bought out." Simply not true.

Cole125
10-13-2012, 19:31
While I have heard nothing but good about WW, the choice is a no brainer, get the Colt.

WayaX
10-13-2012, 19:57
Do a search. This exact thread came up only a few weeks ago. Long story short, a Windham weaponry will never be a Colt, no matter how much they want it to be.

jokeruh
10-13-2012, 20:11
http://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/13880/c/firearms

WoodenPlank
10-13-2012, 22:27
Do a search. This exact thread came up only a few weeks ago. Long story short, a Windham weaponry will never be a Colt, no matter how much they want it to be.

Agreed on all counts.

M&P15T
10-14-2012, 03:36
Don't get freaked out by the Colt Fan boys. Look at the specs. Learn what the material and manufacturing specifications mean, and you'll see WW is putting out a quality AR, for a few hundred less.

One bonus is that the WW uses a 1/9 twist barrel. So if you're going to be shooting the inexpensive 55 gr. FMJ type ammo (as the vast majority do), it will stablize that ammo type perfectly. If you plan on shooting heavier grain ammo, the 1/7 of the Colt might work a bit better.

Still, a few hundred dollars will buy you ammo and mags, so definitely consider the WW.

Notice that the S&W M&P gets a nod? A few years back everyone was hacking on them as not being good enough, not as good as a Colt, just as they are currently doing with WW. Now folks understand that there's a little concept called "value for the dollar", and from what I've read in the specs, WWs represent an excellent value. And WWs appear to be built better, with better materials, than the S&Ws.

mixflip
10-14-2012, 03:48
WW is a decent gun I am sure but how does a new company buy 40 years of R&D proven in combat? The answer is... you cant buy what Colt has earned.

That doesnt mean Colt is "THE BEST". It just means Colts have a pedigree that money cant buy. That means something to some and absolutely nothing to others.

I am a veteran so I have a slight bias and soft spot for the old Colt. To me its an old friend and that is worth something to me personally. Ad in all the features and specs I like and its a no brainer.

superdoc
10-14-2012, 04:10
Colt for the WIN! if nothing else, better resale

Walk Soft
10-14-2012, 04:34
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1442531
I ended up going with the Colt,not just based on the replies, but because it is kind of the quintessential AR.

JBnTX
10-14-2012, 04:58
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1442531
I ended up going with the Colt,not just based on the replies, but because it is kind of the quintessential AR.


You made the right choice.

dotsun
10-14-2012, 05:16
I went with the Colt over a lot of other choices not just for the quality, but also potential resale value. Which one will be worth more in 30 years?

supatrucka
10-14-2012, 08:42
I bought the Windham simply because i wanted to support the people in maine. I don't need to spend lots of money on an AR just to go to my range. I don't plan on selling it and it's been going bang for over 4000 rds. I like to support small business over the big guys.

MrMurphy
10-14-2012, 08:44
This isn't even a question.

boomhower
10-14-2012, 17:40
It depends on what you want to do with it. If you just want to punch holes in paper at the range you can save money on the Windham and buy some ammo and mags. If you want it to be a HD or SHTF weapon where you want supreme reliability get the Colt. The Colt is the superior gun. I haven't heard a lot about Windham one way or the other but the Colt is a proven reliable gun.

NEOH212
10-14-2012, 22:47
Don't get freaked out by the Colt Fan boys. Look at the specs. Learn what the material and manufacturing specifications mean, and you'll see WW is putting out a quality AR, for a few hundred less.

One bonus is that the WW uses a 1/9 twist barrel. So if you're going to be shooting the inexpensive 55 gr. FMJ type ammo (as the vast majority do), it will stablize that ammo type perfectly. If you plan on shooting heavier grain ammo, the 1/7 of the Colt might work a bit better.

Still, a few hundred dollars will buy you ammo and mags, so definitely consider the WW.

Notice that the S&W M&P gets a nod? A few years back everyone was hacking on them as not being good enough, not as good as a Colt, just as they are currently doing with WW. Now folks understand that there's a little concept called "value for the dollar", and from what I've read in the specs, WWs represent an excellent value. And WWs appear to be built better, with better materials, than the S&Ws.

While I'll admit I'm partial to Colt, It's only so because they have set a benchmark for the minimum acceptable level of quality to be expected in a AR style rifle that's going to see continuous hard use. What's more is you can count on that quality when you open the box every time.

In other words, they deliver quality and do so consistently.

Now with all that said, I agree with your post. There are many manufactures that produce quality AR style rifles and shouldn't be over looked just because they don't have a pony on the gun.

Milspec is just that. Milspec. It's a standard. It's an important standard but it doesn't mean that there isn't better either. Depending on how the rifle is going to be used, that spec may not matter to some shooters. It's a great starting point to establish a minimum level of quality as I pointed out above, but isn't the do all end all, and certainly isn't everything that some people make it out to be.

Now the question comes up alot to the order of if a gun doesn't conform to the Milspec requirements, is it still a quality gun?

That depends. There are several manufactures that build their guns to what would be considered to be below Milspec and those that build their guns to what would be considered to be above it respectively.

Some are good and some are bad. It just depends and any of them can and will make a dud sometimes (Yes, including Colt!)

I think the reason alot of people flock to the Colt (Internet hype not withstanding) is because of it's track record and it's ability to deliver consistent quality through the years when some other manufactures cut corners, Colt kept on building the same quality rifle.

I do wonder though what Colt's rifles would be like if they didn't have the military contract? Would they be as bad as some of the not so good AR's that are on the market or would they still be producing the quality guns that they currently make?

Most firearms manufactures that produce AR style rifles make a good gun. There are a few that I can count on one hand that I would stay away from and there are a few that I can could on one hand that are above the rest.

The price difference between them can be staggering as well as the quality. Most of the guns out there will serve the buyer well as most people aren't going into battle with there rifle and for all practical purposes, their non-Colt rifle can probably stand up to more than they can and still continue to function when they quit.

As for me, if I had to choose from the wide array of riles that I was most likely to find at the gun store and was told that I could have only one AR and I had to trust my life to it, I'd pick the Colt every time.

But that's just me.

:wavey:

skeeter1959
10-15-2012, 00:38
Don't get freaked out by the Colt Fan boys. Look at the specs. Learn what the material and manufacturing specifications mean, and you'll see WW is putting out a quality AR, for a few hundred less.

One bonus is that the WW uses a 1/9 twist barrel. So if you're going to be shooting the inexpensive 55 gr. FMJ type ammo (as the vast majority do), it will stablize that ammo type perfectly. If you plan on shooting heavier grain ammo, the 1/7 of the Colt might work a bit better.

Still, a few hundred dollars will buy you ammo and mags, so definitely consider the WW.

Notice that the S&W M&P gets a nod? A few years back everyone was hacking on them as not being good enough, not as good as a Colt, just as they are currently doing with WW. Now folks understand that there's a little concept called "value for the dollar", and from what I've read in the specs, WWs represent an excellent value. And WWs appear to be built better, with better materials, than the S&Ws.

Most sensible post yet.

I have a WW and a S&W. The WW fit and finish is better than the M&P-15. The trigger that came with the M&P was so bad I switched it out with a Timney. The WW trigger, while not a Timney is good enough not to bother switching to a Timney. Plus the WW has the lifetime warranty.

Both guns have never failed and are accurate. IMO, Colt is not the holy grail.

mixflip
10-15-2012, 01:01
Between just those 2?

Just buy the one that has the roll mark you like better. They are probably identical on paper as far as quality and features go.

The only real significant difference will probably resale value. A non issue if you never sell it.

rockapede
10-15-2012, 06:44
Most sensible post yet.

I have a WW and a S&W. The WW fit and finish is better than the M&P-15. The trigger that came with the M&P was so bad I switched it out with a Timney. The WW trigger, while not a Timney is good enough not to bother switching to a Timney. Plus the WW has the lifetime warranty.

Both guns have never failed and are accurate. IMO, Colt is not the holy grail.

Most sensible? Why, because it reinforces your purchase decisions? Colt may not be the "holy grail" but it's been the standard by which all others are judged for a long, long time, and that's a fact. This thread is evidence in and of itself. That's not a knock on other brands. Fwiw, I don't currently own a Colt.

BTW, saying both of your guns have never failed is pointless without a frame of reference (round count, environment, cleaning/lubricating routine).

Big Bird
10-15-2012, 06:58
If Colt is the only one producing quality AR's how di FN get the contract?

rockapede
10-15-2012, 07:09
If Colt is the only one producing quality AR's how di FN get the contract?

Who said they were the only one?

JW1178
10-15-2012, 11:34
I don't know enough to really say anything on here, but I will say that there are a lot of manufacturers of some good AR's. Generally speaking, it seems you get what you pay for. However, Colt has the name and they know they can ask more because they are Colt. Now, they got that good name for a reason. What does that mean to you? You buy the Colt, you know you have a good rifle. You buy the WW you still probably a fine rifle, might even be better, and paid less.

scccdoc
10-15-2012, 11:39
The name "Colt" commands respect, period. DOC

mjkeat
10-15-2012, 11:48
Asking more? Hardly.
http://dsgarms.com/Search.aspx?Keyword=Colt

When a well respected manufacturer like Colt is selling their product for as much as or less than companies known for sub par quality that says a lot. If I needed another it would be a Colt 6720.

People purchase Colt because they represent trusted consistant quality.

Example:
http://dsgarms.com/ProductInfo/COLE6920MP-DE.aspx

http://www.dpmsinc.com/MOE-WARRIOR_ep_91-1.html

Now tell me which one you would purchase.

Goldendog Redux
10-15-2012, 12:01
The fact that a great many threads on GT-and elsewhere I presume-seem to be titled, "Colt 6920 vs insert other AR15 style rifle", should and always does say something about Colt.

MF

3glkdog
10-15-2012, 12:02
+1 for dsgarms, I just bought one last week, $995 and free shipping untill the end of this month.

rockapede
10-15-2012, 12:30
The fact that a great many threads on GT-and elsewhere I presume-seem to be titled, "Colt 6920 vs insert other AR15 style rifle", should and always does say something about Colt.

MF

God, you're such a fan boy.


:supergrin:

Ruggles
10-15-2012, 12:45
As an innocent bystander it seems to me no one was questioning the quality of Colt, just how it compared to the WW. Lots of angry Colt boys in here :)

Colt was the only AR game in town for years really, same as in 1911s. But they are not any longer in either case, many worthy competitors in both firearms. Both their 1911s and their ARs still have a strong name appeal not doubt. I think their mystique accounts for some of their reputation as opposed to simple cold hard facts.

You can buy a production 1911 or AR equal to a Colt from a number of companies. Not sure WW is one or not, they are still pretty new.

skeeter1959
10-15-2012, 14:22
Most sensible? Why, because it reinforces your purchase decisions? Colt may not be the "holy grail" but it's been the standard by which all others are judged for a long, long time, and that's a fact. This thread is evidence in and of itself. That's not a knock on other brands. Fwiw, I don't currently own a Colt.

BTW, saying both of your guns have never failed is pointless without a frame of reference (round count, environment, cleaning/lubricating routine).

If I wanted a Colt that's what I'd buy. I have the WW, S&P, DPMS and a new franken gun CMMG upper/Spikes lower 14.5 middy. I'm not an "operator" and never been to a carbine class, but rest assured my ARs get shot a couple of times a week and I don't feel my life is in any danger cuz I don't own a Colt.

The Colt Cult thinks that the Colt ARs are some kind of light sabre compared to WW or other non-Colt AR's.

Read the specs on the guns like I did and you won't post stupid stuff like your avatar. :rofl:

rockapede
10-15-2012, 18:13
If I wanted a Colt that's what I'd buy. I have the WW, S&P, DPMS and a new franken gun CMMG upper/Spikes lower 14.5 middy. I'm not an "operator" and never been to a carbine class, but rest assured my ARs get shot a couple of times a week and I don't feel my life is in any danger cuz I don't own a Colt.

The Colt Cult thinks that the Colt ARs are some kind of light sabre compared to WW or other non-Colt AR's.

Read the specs on the guns like I did and you won't post stupid stuff like your avatar. :rofl:
The Colt love (and again, I don't own one...) has very little to do with specs and a lot to do with consistency. There are several brands that are equal as far as specs are concerned.

And leave my avatar out of this. He's awesome.

scccdoc
10-16-2012, 06:42
I have a Colt and I like it, but maybe I'd say the same about another brand, WW or Bushmaster. I know Colt is a quality firearm, that's why I bought it, I'm a newb. So what if one brand is as good or maybe a little cooler than another.....................who cares?. WHAT WE SHOULD BE ASKING IS THE BRANDS TO STAY AWAY FROM ! If Taurus made an AR, would you buy one, I wouldn't. So let's stop and do something constructive.......... DOC

ditto1958
10-16-2012, 08:01
There seem to be two major themes in the responses here. One is that a big reason to buy the Colt is that its the "real thing." the standard all others are competing against. Seems as though it would likely have the best resale value.

The other thing a few folks have brought up is the 1 in 7 twist in the Colt barrel. Other brands seem to use 1 in 9. Is this a big deal?

Chuck66
10-16-2012, 08:27
There seem to be two major themes in the responses here. One is that a big reason to buy the Colt is that its the "real thing." the standard all others are competing against. Seems as though it would likely have the best resale value.

The other thing a few folks have brought up is the 1 in 7 twist in the Colt barrel. Other brands seem to use 1 in 9. Is this a big deal?



The 1/7 twist on the Colt is the primary reason I'm avoiding it as I make my decision and narrow my list. I'm not a reloader, and plan to shoot mostly cheaper ammo at all the paper I plan to kill, and while I might would spring the extra cash for the Colt, just because it's a Colt, I'd hate to do so just to find out that I then have trouble with 55gr. ammo and have to pony up even more for ammo to feed the more expensive gun.

WW is looking awfully impressive for my needs, based on user and professional reviews. The other two high on my list are the Stag model 2 and the S&W Tactical that's on sale right now at Dicks.

rockapede
10-16-2012, 08:32
There seem to be two major themes in the responses here. One is that a big reason to buy the Colt is that its the "real thing." the standard all others are competing against. Seems as though it would likely have the best resale value.

The other thing a few folks have brought up is the 1 in 7 twist in the Colt barrel. Other brands seem to use 1 in 9. Is this a big deal?

I'll put it this way: more people have more trouble with 70-77 grain bullets in a 1-9 twist barrel than have trouble with 55 grain bullets in a 1-7 twist barrel. My current AR is 1-7 twist and I target shoot 55 grain ammo pretty much exclusively with no issues.

K. Foster
10-16-2012, 08:36
The other thing a few folks have brought up is the 1 in 7 twist in the Colt barrel. Other brands seem to use 1 in 9. Is this a big deal?

Depends on what you want to shoot.
The faster 1:7 twist is needed to stabilize the longer/heavier bullets above 69 grains. You can shoot 50 and 55 grain bullets just fine but your best accuracy will be with the heavier projectiles.
1:9 will generally provide better accuracy with 55 grain ammo than a 1:7 rifled barrel. As long as you stay at or below 69g you should be OK with a 1:9
If you want to shoot true 5.56 loads, one disadvantage to a 1:9 barrel is that some companies that claim to produce 1:9 barrels with 5.56 chambers, actually cut their chambers to SAAMI .223 specs. This causes stuck cases and requires the chambers to be reamed for reliable function. Although this is a company ethics issue and not the fault of the barrel, it’s something to think about when purchasing.
I would go with Colt.

K. Foster
10-16-2012, 08:42
Read the specs on the guns like I did and you won't post stupid stuff like your avatar. :rofl:

So now we’re making fun of people’s avatars. That’s mature.

rockapede
10-16-2012, 08:52
So now we’re making fun of people’s avatars. That’s mature.

I'm gonna give him/her the benefit of the doubt. I think it was tongue-in-cheek :whistling:

scccdoc
10-16-2012, 08:59
So now we’re making fun of people’s avatars. That’s mature.

Did I accidentally get on the "religion forum" ? LOL

K. Foster
10-16-2012, 13:47
No one has mentioned religion in this thread....................yet. LOL.