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Zombie Surgeon
10-17-2012, 10:57
http://online.sfsu.edu/amkerner/Kaiten/img/MissouriPICS/Kamikaze-about-to-hit-USS-M.jpg
http://lebrecht.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/112796_japanese-kamikaze.jpg

KAMIKAZE

Think about it:
-they believe their are divinely inspired by a leader who is pure like a cherry blossom(Ron Paul)
-they are blindly devoted to a leader who already lost.
-in order to prove their allegiance they are ready to blow themselves up and take down as many of us as they can.
-all they do when resorting to this "my way or the highway" suicidal attacks is pissing us up and strengthening our resolve.

No matter how they try to put it, a vote for Gary Johnson = a vote less for Romney = helping Obama = hurting everyone and themselves. Simple arithmetic really.
Kamikaze fits them like a glove.

Syclone538
10-17-2012, 11:05
I can't stop you from voting for more gov, but I'm sure not going to.

Zombie Surgeon
10-17-2012, 11:13
I can't stop you from voting for more gov, but I'm sure not going to.

Dear kamikaze voter,
Obama thanks you for your support of his plan to make that bloated government grow even faster.

randrew379
10-17-2012, 11:30
I'm sick of all the irrationality: a vote for someone other than Romney does not equal a vote for Obama. I saw some numbers that showed Johnson pulling votes from Romney in some states and from Obama in others. It was pretty much 50/50.

G29Reload
10-17-2012, 11:32
I can't stop you from voting for more gov, but I'm sure not going to.

Tha'ts what voting for Johnson does since it helps Obama. Its not only more gov, its the freaking gulag.

Only romney has the chance, him and an R senate needed to repeal O-care. 4 years from now the damage will be too great.

sheriff733
10-17-2012, 11:44
So some folks are voting for Gary Johnson because they want to vote for less government, but they won't vote to help get Obama out of office, thus giving HUGE government a better chance of staying.

Makes perfect sense... :upeyes:

G29Reload
10-17-2012, 11:48
So some folks are voting for Gary Johnson because they want to vote for less government,

Except they're not. Premise fail.

They're not doing anything but making Obama's path easier.

Gundude
10-17-2012, 11:56
Except they're not. Premise fail.

They're not doing anything but making Obama's path easier.And your premise would only make sense if putting Romney in office would result in smaller government.

So premise fail again.

Sharkey
10-17-2012, 12:00
And your premise would only make sense if putting Romney in office would result in smaller government.

So premise fail again.

No one knows for sure. So Mittens is a maybe and Barack is a sure thing of growing govt. We already can't afford the 5 trillion he spent.

Yeah, I will take the maybe.

professorpinki
10-17-2012, 12:07
Obamacare isn't the only thing that worries me.

The Republicans pushed through the Patriot Act.

The Maggy
10-17-2012, 12:09
I love how everyone thinks that every third party vote would otherwise go to Romney. After you make that logical leap... this thread makes sense.

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427
10-17-2012, 13:10
Obamacare isn't the only thing that worries me.

The Republicans pushed through the Patriot Act.

Both sides overwhelmingly voted for it.

countrygun
10-17-2012, 13:18
Obamacare isn't the only thing that worries me.

The Republicans pushed through the Patriot Act.


^^^^Distortion


( from Wiki)

"Under perceived pressure from widespread panic felt among Americans from both the September 11 attacks and the 2001 anthrax attacks, Congress rushed to pass legislation to strengthen security controls. On October 23, 2001, Republican Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner introduced H.R. 3162 incorporating provisions from a previously sponsored House bill and a Senate bill also introduced earlier in the month.[4] The next day on October 24, 2001, the Act passed the House 357 to 66,[5] with Democrats comprising the overwhelming portion of dissent. The following day on October 25, 2001, the Act passed the Senate by 98 to 1,[6] with Russ Feingold the only opposition."



Far more "bipartisan" than "Obamacare". Both sides own the "Patriot Act"

Flying-Dutchman
10-17-2012, 13:28
Please, just this time vote Republican so we can get rid of Obama Care.

Glock30Eric
10-17-2012, 13:29
I think it is more of opposite point. Obama or Romney will kamikaze USA 110% without any question.

I am not going to join your club to kamikaze America with Romney nor Obama. I am trying to save America and that is voting Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

By the way, thank you for wrecking America and you did a really good job.

RyanBDawg
10-17-2012, 14:12
Why do you have such an overwhelming love for big government Zombie?

Ruble Noon
10-17-2012, 14:18
Think about it:
-they believe their are divinely inspired by a leader who is pure like a cherry blossom(Ron Paul)
-they are blindly devoted to a leader who already lost.
-in order to prove their allegiance they are ready to blow themselves up and take down as many of us as they can.
-all they do when resorting to this "my way or the highway" suicidal attacks is pissing us up and strengthening our resolve.

No matter how they try to put it, a vote for Gary Johnson = a vote less for Romney = helping Obama = hurting everyone and themselves. Simple arithmetic really.
Kamikaze fits them like a glove.

Think about this:
Your candidate stood up in front of a national audience and outdid obama on the tax the rich spiel.

No matter how you put it your vote for Romney is a vote for statism and the continued destruction of our nation.

eb07
10-17-2012, 16:02
Think about this:
Your candidate stood up in front of a national audience and outdid obama on the tax the rich spiel.

No matter how you put it your vote for Romney is a vote for statism and the continued destruction of our nation.


Congress is more important than the presidency. Why do Paulbots want him to make the switch? Ignorance?

Ruble Noon
10-17-2012, 16:06
Congress is more important than the presidency. Why do Paulbots want him to make the switch? Ignorance?

Want who to make the switch? And what switch are you talking about? Are talking about romney going gay or what?
Once you go black you never go back? What are you referring to? :dunno:

concretefuzzynuts
10-17-2012, 17:00
I'm getting so tired of these arguments. Back and forth.

I've been a libertarian longer than some of you have been alive. Yet, I have enough sense to see the importance of removing Obama so will hold my nose and vote Romney.

You guys vote for who you want. If Romney doesn't win by the points that Johnson get's it will be on those superior consciences of yours.

You know, you could vote Romney and just tell everyone you voted Johnson.

Cavalry Doc
10-17-2012, 17:25
I think it is more of opposite point. Obama or Romney will kamikaze USA 110% without any question.

I am not going to join your club to kamikaze America with Romney nor Obama. I am trying to save America and that is voting Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

By the way, thank you for wrecking America and you did a really good job.

Only one has openly stated that he wants to limit certain gun ownership rights.

That, and the SCOTUS is enough for me to choose the better one. Do what you want, and we will all most likely live another 4 years. Insha'Allah, huh?

Glocksanity
10-17-2012, 17:27
Voting in general is just rearranging chairs on the Titanic.

Electronic voting that is easily corrupted with no paper trail and the results are proprietary property of the vote counting companies.

Yeah, your vote really counts, one way or the other. Ha ha ha.

walt cowan
10-17-2012, 17:32
http://online.sfsu.edu/amkerner/Kaiten/img/MissouriPICS/Kamikaze-about-to-hit-USS-M.jpg
http://lebrecht.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/112796_japanese-kamikaze.jpg

KAMIKAZE

Think about it:
-they believe their are divinely inspired by a leader who is pure like a cherry blossom(Ron Paul)
-they are blindly devoted to a leader who already lost.
-in order to prove their allegiance they are ready to blow themselves up and take down as many of us as they can.
-all they do when resorting to this "my way or the highway" suicidal attacks is pissing us up and strengthening our resolve.

No matter how they try to put it, a vote for Gary Johnson = a vote less for Romney = helping Obama = hurting everyone and themselves. Simple arithmetic really.
Kamikaze fits them like a glove.

your damm funny:rofl:...for a troll:tongueout:

Snowman92D
10-17-2012, 17:34
No matter how you put it your vote for Romney is a vote for statism and the continued destruction of our nation.

A vote for Johnson is a vote for increased recreational drug use and the continued destruction of our nation. :smoking:

Ruble Noon
10-17-2012, 17:38
A vote for Johnson is a vote for increased recreational drug use and the continued destruction of our nation. :smoking:

I've got your perfect ticket Snowman.

http://www.survivalistboards.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68718&d=1349832700

countrygun
10-17-2012, 17:47
A vote for Johnson is a vote for increased recreational drug use and the continued destruction of our nation. :smoking:


Aw, c'mon snowman, get with it. People by the hundreds say it's ok

like voting for Obama


or back when everyone was taking sub-prime loans

if enough people do it, it must be right.

Snowman92D
10-17-2012, 17:57
...if enough people do it, it must be right.

Welllll...maybe. But you gotta draw a line somewhere, and I draw it at dopers, wife-beaters and NAMBLA advocates. :supergrin:

Rooster Rugburn
10-17-2012, 18:05
Think about it:
-they believe their are divinely inspired by a leader who is pure like a cherry blossom(Ron Paul)
-they are blindly devoted to a leader who already lost.
-in order to prove their allegiance they are ready to blow themselves up and take down as many of us as they can.
-all they do when resorting to this "my way or the highway" suicidal attacks is pissing us up and strengthening our resolve.

No matter how they try to put it, a vote for Gary Johnson = a vote less for Romney = helping Obama = hurting everyone and themselves. Simple arithmetic really.
Kamikaze fits them like a glove.

But, they have more courage and integrity than you.

Glock30Eric
10-17-2012, 18:07
A vote for Johnson is a vote for increased recreational drug use and the continued destruction of our nation. :smoking:

A vote Romney is a vote for increase unjustified wars where we send our men to die for no reason and to murder people for $$$ and R's best interest, and to keep destructing America. Do you think we would want twenty years of a undeclared war against few nations? No way!

countrygun
10-17-2012, 18:10
But, they have more courage and integrity than you.

I have to take exception to that.

I find passively sitting on the sidelines, not trying to get Obama out, for the good of the Country, and voting for a candidate that makes them fell good about themselves to be putting their egos ahead of the best interest of our Country. That shows neither courage nor integrity. Just a "Me" attitude.

Snowman92D
10-17-2012, 18:14
A vote Romney is a vote for increase unjustified wars where we send our men to die for no reason and to murder people for $$$ and R's best interest...

Sounds like you got it bad. :supergrin:

countrygun
10-17-2012, 18:19
A vote Romney is a vote for increase unjustified wars where we send our men to die for no reason and to murder people for $$$ and R's best interest, and to keep destructing America. Do you think we would want twenty years of a undeclared war against few nations? No way!

Let's see, that is called "speculation".

Not voting to get Obama out is helping the man who has used more drone strikes than any other President and who has killed Americans, deliberately, without trial overseas.

Don't try the "Moral High Ground" game. It doesn't fly.

Vic777
10-17-2012, 18:28
And your premise would only make sense if putting Romney in office would result in smaller government.

So premise fail again.Gundude, ever watch those professional gamblers playing no limit Texas Hold'em, and their opponent pushes "all-in"? That's where we are right now in America, the Socialists have pushed "all-in". Now do you want to be holding Romney or your Johnson? What is going to defeat Socialism and save America? This is the real World, and it all goes down on Nov 6th. There is no escape. We have to live with the results. If Obama gets re elected you'll never see another Libertarian Candidate in your lifetime.

Rooster Rugburn
10-17-2012, 18:39
I have to take exception to that.

I find passively sitting on the sidelines, not trying to get Obama out, for the good of the Country, and voting for a candidate that makes them fell good about themselves to be putting their egos ahead of the best interest of our Country. That shows neither courage nor integrity. Just a "Me" attitude.

Then you don't understand principle, conscience, honor, or integrity. Or the concept of selling out.

When you vote against your belief system, you are selling out. People with integrity don't sell out. It takes a much stronger person to vote their conscience and belief system when the alternative is as bad as it could be in this situation.

How long ago was Romney being called a RINO? Now, those same people are going to sell out, and vote for him.

We went through all this 8 years ago and again 4 years ago. People with little or no principle, don't understand principle, or selling it out.

Ruble Noon
10-17-2012, 18:44
Then you don't understand principle, conscience, honor, or integrity. Or the concept of selling out.

When you vote against your belief system, you are selling out. People with integrity don't sell out. It takes a much stronger person to vote their conscience and belief system when the alternative is as bad as it could be in this situation.

How long ago was Romney being called a RINO? Now, those same people are going to sell out, and vote for him.

We went through all this 8 years ago and again 4 years ago. People with little or no principle, don't understand principle, or selling it out.

It wasn't long ago that the liberal troll 1200feather was Romney's only fan. Now he has a gaggle of them on GTPI. Too bad that 1200feather was banned, it would be really comical seeing the comments.

countrygun
10-17-2012, 18:50
Then you don't understand principle, conscience, honor, or integrity. Or the concept of selling out.

When you vote against your belief system, you are selling out. People with integrity don't sell out. It takes a much stronger person to vote their conscience and belief system when the alternative is as bad as it could be in this situation.

How long ago was Romney being called a RINO? Now, those same people are going to sell out, and vote for him.

We went through all this 8 years ago and again 4 years ago. People with little or no principle, don't understand principle, or selling it out.


again, you talk about an individual action with an individual reward. You vote for a third party you help a socialist. I put my Country ahead of what makes me feek good. I had my chance to vote my conscience in the primary and I did. The primary is over. Since I voted as a Republican in the primary there is a certain amount of honor involved in showing that I believe in the Party's choice even if it wasn't my candidate.

I also feel honor-bound to remove a scheming,incompetent progressive socialist from the White house. For my Country, not to massage my ego and so I can tell my self what a good boy I am. I will take responsibility if Romney wins and turns out to be a dud and I will campaign to get rid of him. That is honor and integrity, not marching off to the tune of "it's not my fault, I didn't vote for either of them"

ColdSteelNail
10-17-2012, 19:12
What kind of self righteous pompous ass calls people names for voting their conscience?

countrygun
10-17-2012, 19:16
What kind of self righteous pompous ass calls people names for voting their conscience?

I dunno, my conscience tells me to vote for Romney and I got called a "sellout":dunno:

Rooster Rugburn
10-17-2012, 19:24
again, you talk about an individual action with an individual reward. You vote for a third party you help a socialist. I put my Country ahead of what makes me feek good. I had my chance to vote my conscience in the primary and I did. The primary is over. Since I voted as a Republican in the primary there is a certain amount of honor involved in showing that I believe in the Party's choice even if it wasn't my candidate.

I also feel honor-bound to remove a scheming,incompetent progressive socialist from the White house. For my Country, not to massage my ego and so I can tell my self what a good boy I am. I will take responsibility if Romney wins and turns out to be a dud and I will campaign to get rid of him. That is honor and integrity, not marching off to the tune of "it's not my fault, I didn't vote for either of them"

You don't understand strength of character. Honor..... well.... maybe that is open to your own interpretation. How it is honorable to slam RINO, call Romney a RINO, then vote for him, and criticize anyone who doesn't?

To vote for a guy who won't win because you believe his message is best for the future of this nation, when the stakes are this high, takes more character and courage than any of their critics have.

As for your earlier point of YOUR OPINION of "good for the country"..... It might just be that THEIR OPINION of what is good for the country is someone that is not just the same old two party system. Consider that GW Bush and the repubicans got the US started on the way to this massive debt. If they hadn't, Pelosi wouldn't have taken control of the House in 2006, and we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

Your opinion is no better, nor more meaningful than theirs. They are entitled to their opinion just as much as you are. But it does take more courage to take the insults of the infirm who are incapable of standing on conviction and principle, and still stand for what they think is right. I respect them for that.

Instead of lame insults by small minded people, why not try to convince them why they should change their mind? Maybe that takes more intelligence than is available.

Of course you think you are right, but they also think they are right. You are against Obama, and basically for the (short term?) "best interest" as YOU see it, and are willing to vote for anyone, including a man often called a RINO, who has a chance to beat him. Apparently they see it differently.

Voting for Romney, after calling him a RINO and disparaging RINO in general, is hypocritical. And it certainly lacks integrity. And it is NOT the way a principled voter behaves, which is why we are in the mess we are in.

Think about it another way: the republican contingent of GTPI have so vilified RINO, that now a lot of people just cannot bring themselves to vote for someone who was labeled a RINO. It could be that the targets of these smears were actually influenced against the RINO by the very people they are being attacked by. That is a GTPI irony.

I personally believe a RINO in the repubican party is a conservative. Conservatives seem to be all but out of power in the party. Even Newt moved left to try and get the nomination. Conservatives in the repubican party are dinosaurs, and the asteroid is coming to finish what few are in positions of influence.

But anyway. Disagree with third party voters all day long. But you don't have to disparage and insult them.

countrygun
10-17-2012, 19:29
You don't understand strength of character. Honor..... well.... maybe that is open to your own interpretation. How it is honorable to slam RINO, call Romney a RINO, then vote for him, and criticize anyone who doesn't?

To vote for a guy who won't win because you believe his message is best for the future of this nation, when the stakes are this high, takes more character and courage than any of their critics have.

As for your earlier point of YOUR OPINION of "good for the country"..... It might just be that THEIR OPINION of what is good for the country is someone that is not just the same old two party system. Consider that GW Bush and the repubicans got the US started on the way to this massive debt. If they hadn't, Pelosi wouldn't have taken control of the House in 2006, and we wouldn't be in the mess we are in.

Your opinion is no better, nor more meaningful than theirs. They are entitled to their opinion just as much as you are. But it does take more courage to take the insults of the infirm who are incapable of standing on conviction and principle, and still stand for what they think is right. I respect them for that.

Instead of lame insults by small minded people, why not try to convince them why they should change their mind? Maybe that takes more intelligence than is available.

Of course you think you are right, but they also think they are right. You are against Obama, and basically for the (short term?) "best interest" as YOU see it, and are willing to vote for anyone, including a man often called a RINO, who has a chance to beat him. Apparently they see it differently.

Voting for Romney, after calling him a RINO and disparaging RINO in general, is hypocritical. And it certainly lacks integrity. And it is NOT the way a principled voter behaves, which is why we are in the mess we are in.

Think about it another way: the republican contingent of GTPI have so vilified RINO, that now a lot of people just cannot bring themselves to vote for someone who was labeled a RINO. It could be that the targets of these smears were actually influenced against the RINO by the very people they are being attacked by. That is a GTPI irony.

I personally believe a RINO in the repubican party is a conservative. Conservatives seem to be all but out of power in the party. Even Newt moved left to try and get the nomination. Conservatives in the repubican party are dinosaurs, and the asteroid is coming to finish what few are in positions of influence.

But anyway. Disagree with third party voters all day long. But you don't have to disparage and insult them.


Will you please go back and find a quote you can show EVERYONE where I ever called Romney a RINO? ANYWHERE?

I would love to see that myself.

Without that your WHOLE long winded post falls apart for lack of foundation.

Rooster Rugburn
10-17-2012, 20:01
I dunno, my conscience tells me to vote for Romney and I got called a "sellout":dunno:

Allow me to "revise and extend my remarks", as they say in Congress.

You are new here, and I don't recognize your screen name. I don't hang out on GT much, and in GTPI very little, for obvious reasons. I don't know what all you've posted. This same argument has been going since Gomer Dumbya Bush was up for reelection after liberal governance for 4 years.

My remarks were NOT aimed totally and specifically at you. Again, I don't know your posting history. I don't think you started this thread. I was using your post as a springboard.

Without rereading and editing my previous posts, or researching all of yours, if anything I posted about slamming RINO and then voting for them does not apply to you I sincerely apologize. That was not my intent. I may have mistakenly pulled you into a larger group that I've been having this back and forth with for years. Again, I apologize.

But my point stands towards those it applies to, and there are many. 4 years ago, Romney was a hated and despised RINO. They couldn't see McCain for what he is and blindly supported him. Now Romney the RINO is the savior of the nation, and our only hope.

I tried to say 4 years ago that conservatives are the RINO in that party. Now, they have yet another RINO running as their nominee, and they support him. Shirley (yeah, I called you shirley) you can see the hypocrisy.

robrides85
10-17-2012, 20:12
:wavey: I'm suicidal? I think you're gullible if you believe anything that comes out of Romney's mouth.

Don't believe me? Santorum had plenty to say about how crappy a candidate Romney is.

http://www.examiner.com/article/ten-quotes-that-santorum-will-need-to-walk-back-before-he-endorses-romney

http://online.sfsu.edu/amkerner/Kaiten/img/MissouriPICS/Kamikaze-about-to-hit-USS-M.jpg
http://lebrecht.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/112796_japanese-kamikaze.jpg

KAMIKAZE

Think about it:
-they believe their are divinely inspired by a leader who is pure like a cherry blossom(Ron Paul)
-they are blindly devoted to a leader who already lost.
-in order to prove their allegiance they are ready to blow themselves up and take down as many of us as they can.
-all they do when resorting to this "my way or the highway" suicidal attacks is pissing us up and strengthening our resolve.

No matter how they try to put it, a vote for Gary Johnson = a vote less for Romney = helping Obama = hurting everyone and themselves. Simple arithmetic really.
Kamikaze fits them like a glove.

robrides85
10-17-2012, 20:14
Dear kamikaze voter,
Obama thanks you for your support of his plan to make that bloated government grow even faster.

He's in a race against Romney; they're both headed in the same direction, bragging about who can spend more on Medicare faster. Whoopee!

robrides85
10-17-2012, 20:18
Tha'ts what voting for Johnson does since it helps Obama. Its not only more gov, its the freaking gulag.

Only romney has the chance, him and an R senate needed to repeal O-care. 4 years from now the damage will be too great.

Nah, he's not repealing O-care. He like parts of it. He's just going to "replace" the bad parts with better parts. Don't know what those are, but don't worry. You can trust him.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-09-09/news/33718376_1_romney-plan-mitt-romney-paul-ryan

countrygun
10-17-2012, 20:30
My name isn't shirley, but thats not important right now.

apology certainly accepted. And understood. I do relate to part of your issues but having just passed the 53 year mark two days ago, i have seen a lot of elections and I have seen , and ruefully admit, to having participated in third party votes due to conscience (of youth). i am more concerned at this point with the immediate results.

Understand too, that I have a local issue, which I will sharre with you for the purpose of edification. of my position. Like 47 other States my home, Oregon, is a "winner take all" apportionment of electoral College votes. as you no doubt know, Oregon is a Democratic "gimmie" state. but few realize how close the vote can actually be. (we have a liberal population desne liberal bastion) As you no doubt know, the apportionment is up to the state's legislature, or initiative petition, to change. IF just once, third parties and Republicans could pull together and defeat the Democratic "gimmie" record (especially by a slim margin) The dems would scream to change the apportionment system because, suddenly, THEY would be the ones disenfranchised.

It isn't too hard to see how this would be of GREAT benefit to third parties. I have been fighting this battle for years and it always seems as though it is the third parties themselves that keep it from happening by insuring a Democratic plurality.

My goal is in the benefit of "libertarians" or others but they are actually the ones not looking toward the future and under a winner take all system they have no chance.

I have said for years that the only way a Libertarian model works is from the lowest off ices up Libertarians will never take the White House underthe current system. there has to be a way to make their votes count one State at a time.

So I am shot with the short-sighted, who only look at the WH and don't realize what it is really going to take.

robrides85
10-17-2012, 20:35
So some folks are voting for Gary Johnson because they want to vote for less government, but they won't vote to help get Obama out of office, thus giving HUGE government a better chance of staying.

Makes perfect sense... :upeyes:

Don't pass me that hot potato. I just don't trust Romney. If you have a link to a nonpartisan think tank's analysis of Romney's overall spending cuts, I'd be happy to read it. Just spent the last ~10 minutes searching for one, haven't found one that looks legitimate yet.

robrides85
10-17-2012, 20:42
Only one has openly stated that he wants to limit certain gun ownership rights.

That, and the SCOTUS is enough for me to choose the better one. Do what you want, and we will all most likely live another 4 years. Insha'Allah, huh?

Eh. Machine guns are already illegal to own in Romney's mind, he just hasn't signed the law yet.

countrygun
10-17-2012, 20:52
Eh. Machine guns are already illegal to own in Romney's mind, he just hasn't signed the law yet.

He was using the common understanding. If he had gotten into any detail he would have gotten knocked for getting into too many details.

If they had used the word "clip" instead of "magazine" would you really expect him to break into an explanation of feed systems and split that hair?

This

"Eh. Machine guns are already illegal to own in Romney's mind, he just hasn't signed the law yet"



is just another "scare the gun guys away from Romney" tactic.

Zombie Surgeon
10-17-2012, 21:00
He's in a race against Romney; they're both headed in the same direction, bragging about who can spend more on Medicare faster. Whoopee!

Same direction?
Dude...you either lived the last 3 1/2 years under a rock on planet Mars or you are severely mentally impaired.
Look...I'm not a Romney fanboy. I wish Ron Paul would have been the GOP nominee, I really would. But he wasn't. So what am I going to do now, really? Vote in anger for Gary Johnson, the 0.5% candidate, just to make a point and help Obama fast track the destruction of America?
That is nothing short of suicidal. Or do the reasonable thing that needs to be done - vote for Romney and work with the Tea Party to keep him and the GOP on the conservative side?
You Paulistinians are acting exactly like the kamikaze pilots. You are adopting Gen. Custer's tactics:just attack, attack, attack and die in a blaze of glory. Yeah, you made your point. Big whoop, Obama makes it to the secon term and everybody is fraked.
Congratulations and the entire country goes down down the tubes because you wanted to show everyone what a tough principled SOB you are.

robrides85
10-17-2012, 21:01
He was using the common understanding. If he had gotten into any detail he would have gotten knocked for getting into too many details.

If they had used the word "clip" instead of "magazine" would you really expect him to break into an explanation of feed systems and split that hair?

This

"Eh. Machine guns are already illegal to own in Romney's mind, he just hasn't signed the law yet"



is just another "scare the gun guys away from Romney" tactic.

:rofl: gun guys, I'm not trying to scare you away from Romney. Well, it'd be nice if you left, but for other reasons. I found his quote funnily appropriate for this forum. It's also funny that there can be such a heated conversation when "romney evades, obama delays" regarding gun control. There's no national conversation on it, and if Obama wins and goes after guns, you can be sure I'll be flooding my representatives' offices with calls. Not what I'm voting on this election.

robrides85
10-17-2012, 21:13
Same direction?
Dude...you either lived the last 3 1/2 years under a rock on planet Mars or you are severely mentally impaired.
Look...I'm not a Romney fanboy. I wish Ron Paul would have been the GOP nominee, I really would. But he wasn't. So what am I going to do now, really? Vote in anger for Gary Johnson, the 0.5% candidate, just to make a point and help Obama fast track the destruction of America?
That is nothing short of suicidal. Or do the reasonable thing that needs to be done - vote for Romney and work with the Tea Party to keep him and the GOP on the conservative side?
You Paulistinians are acting exactly like the kamikaze pilots. You are adopting Gen. Custer's tactics: no vision, no knowledge about the battlefield and the enemy. Just attack, attack, attack and die in a blaze of glory.

Does it make you feel better, insulting some rando on a message board? You're either an invertebrate or swinging a micro***** at the screen right this instant - my deepest sympathies. Only a sea slug could imagine a glorious future with Mr. Romney at the helm.

You believe that you'll have control over Romney once he gets into office? How can you trust anything that comes out of his mouth?

roboromney.com

If anything, I envision more effect by taking a vote away from the GOP, Tea Party, and whoever else wants to feel like they lost it (Obama too considering his broken promises on the social side of things). I can't be swayed this election; see you at the midterms.

countrygun
10-17-2012, 21:19
Does it make you feel better, insulting some rando on a message board? You're either an invertebrate or swinging a micro***** at the screen right this instant - my deepest sympathies. Only a sea slug could imagine a glorious future with Mr. Romney at the helm.

You believe that you'll have control over Romney once he gets into office? How can you trust anything that comes out of his mouth?

roboromney.com

If anything, I envision more effect by taking a vote away from the GOP, Tea Party, and whoever else wants to feel like they lost it (Obama too considering his broken promises on the social side of things). I can't be swayed this election; see you at the midterms.

well......bye

Zombie Surgeon
10-17-2012, 21:40
well......bye

http://nancymorris.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Brick_Wall.jpg

Talking to this wall is exactly the same as talking sense into a kamikaze libertarian.

Zombie Surgeon
10-17-2012, 21:42
Does it make you feel better, insulting some rando on a message board? You're either an invertebrate or swinging a micro***** at the screen right this instant - my deepest sympathies. Only a sea slug could imagine a glorious future with Mr. Romney at the helm.

You believe that you'll have control over Romney once he gets into office? How can you trust anything that comes out of his mouth?

roboromney.com

If anything, I envision more effect by taking a vote away from the GOP, Tea Party, and whoever else wants to feel like they lost it (Obama too considering his broken promises on the social side of things). I can't be swayed this election; see you at the midterms.

:upeyes:
Dude...just vote for Obozo and get done with it.

Syclone538
10-17-2012, 22:06
Same direction?
Dude...you either lived the last 3 1/2 years under a rock on planet Mars or you are severely mentally impaired.
...

Fed Gov will increase under either. That is the same direction.

countrygun
10-17-2012, 22:13
Fed Gov will increase under either. That is the same direction.

And you really think a lone Messiah could stop that perhaps without one vote in congress in his pocket.

Put the comic books down. superheros are not real.

Syclone538
10-17-2012, 22:28
A veto on 75% of the bills to hit the presidents desk for the next 4 years would be a heck of a start.

Gundude
10-17-2012, 22:38
Only one has openly stated that he wants to limit certain gun ownership rights.Both of them have openly stated that. One of them subsequently found that statement to be inconvenient for his run for president, so he kinda sorta also stated the opposite, while never actually denouncing his original statement.

kirgi08
10-18-2012, 01:18
Foolish folks,the one must go............. For this nation ta have any chance ta recover at all.The one stays and you can expect 1 of 2 things,economic collapse or civil war when he tries ta dismantle the 2a.This is not about ego or pride,it's about nation.

Search my posts,I'm not a Romney fan.I fear 4 unfettered years of the one,he told Russia what,and his admittance that he will seek another AWB stint.He will also have the ability ta appoint more folks ta the SCOTUS.Them there folk don't get voted out for poor results.

His use of the EO is an affront ta his office and his culpability of the murders in Benghazi and FF is down right treasonous.Not ta mention his $$$$$$$$ you paid for floors of 5* hotels and his world wide apology tour.

So vote for your nation or yourself,what did someone say about convictions or compatriots.'08.

jlavallee
10-18-2012, 01:21
if enough people do it, it must be right.

Like voting mittens to "remove" Obama. Two wrongs don't make a right. Or in the case of Romney/Ryan, Obama/Biden four wrongs.

countrygun
10-18-2012, 12:56
Like voting mittens to "remove" Obama. Two wrongs don't make a right. Or in the case of Romney/Ryan, Obama/Biden four wrongs.


OK here it is. I am tired of you folks.

When you A**clowns can say that you have 20% of the Governorships in your pockets, 20% of legislators in at least 25 State Legisplatures, you have 20% of the Congress, THe and ONLY THEN will I bother to take you meddling in a Presidential election seriously.

I, like others here, was involved in third party politics before some of you were probably born, some may have been making yellow poo, but doubtful any had their first election under their belts.

I have gotten godawful tired of this going on every 4 years as if the White House was the Holy Grail, if they could somehow affect the presidential election they would show the whole world how important they are. well it turns out ,every 4 years they generally look more impotent than important. The only thing they can take credit for is the "Perot Factor" half of them don't want to take the blame for it and the other half want to take the credit. other than that, they control nothing in the House, Nothing in the Senate, nothing in their own States, but by God they all band together to stink up the election they can't win.

If you can't win enough OTHER offices to make a change all you are just an annoyance in the race tfor the POTUS. You are never going to make any significant change you are just pipsqueaks re enacting "The Mouse That Roared" every four years. It's over this time.

robrides85
10-18-2012, 13:15
OK here it is. I am tired of you folks.

When you A**clowns can say that you have 20% of the Governorships in your pockets, 20% of legislators in at least 25 State Legisplatures, you have 20% of the Congress, THe and ONLY THEN will I bother to take you meddling in a Presidential election seriously.

I, like others here, was involved in third party politics before some of you were probably born, some may have been making yellow poo, but doubtful any had their first election under their belts.

I have gotten godawful tired of this going on every 4 years as if the White House was the Holy Grail, if they could somehow affect the presidential election they would show the whole world how important they are. well it turns out ,every 4 years they generally look more impotent than important. The only thing they can take credit for is the "Perot Factor" half of them don't want to take the blame for it and the other half want to take the credit. other than that, they control nothing in the House, Nothing in the Senate, nothing in their own States, but by God they all band together to stink up the election they can't win.

If you can't win enough OTHER offices to make a change all you are just an annoyance in the race tfor the POTUS. You are never going to make any significant change you are just pipsqueaks re enacting "The Mouse That Roared" every four years. It's over this time.

Young turdbucket, I don't care if you take me seriously or not. You're the one that showed up on a thread insulting my favorite Presidential candidate, and people like myself that are going to vote for him. You don't want to get all worked up re: our existence? Go chew out the Romney-supporters that think third-party candidates steal "their" votes, bringing our mouse-like existence to your attention. Regarding the "20% before I take you seriously": guess you should have done a better job "back when" you were involved in third party politics. :tongueout:

countrygun
10-18-2012, 13:27
Young turdbucket, I don't care if you take me seriously or not. You're the one that showed up on a thread insulting my favorite Presidential candidate, and people like myself that are going to vote for him. You don't want to get all worked up re: our existence? Go chew out the Romney-supporters that think third-party candidates steal "their" votes, bringing our mouse-like existence to your attention. Regarding the "20% before I take you seriously": guess you should have done a better job "back when" you were involved in third party politics. :tongueout:

Your political ignorance is astounding.

A third party stand no chance of affecting an Presidential election to the good as long as 48 States have a winner-take-all electoral alotmnent. There is no room for a third party to get electoral votes unless they win the whole State. Right now we see how great the struggle is to eject Obama and how many Republican votes won't count in population dense liberal States. We call that "A Clue" . Until you change that in your State, by most likely changing you local officials to accomplish it, you are just children whizzing into the the wind.

I tried hard to get the folks at my State level to understand this. Some finally figured it out but unfortunatley, every POTUS election cycle all gets dropped as the personal agenda-driven zombies start their march towards the Potomac.
Many of us gave up and decided to change the tenor of the Republican party itself, which we have done in the rural areas of our State. The population dense liberal areas are still there but , surprisingly many of the rural Republicans reps are eerily similar to libertarian in their beliefs. We aren't too concerned with the name, we focus on the result in these parts

G29Reload
10-18-2012, 13:38
If actions speak louder than words, I think Romney may surprise us all.

1. First action as nominee: Paul Ryan.

2. Second major event, First Debate: A rout. mentioned 10th amendment, may even have a positive influence of the few good things RP had going for him from RP himself, since the two are friends.

3. Ryan debate: proof's in the pudding. Civilized, mature, respectful vs Tourette's syndrome, ill mannered thug.

4. Libya response: Levin noted it was quick, forceful and almost Reaganesque, always a good time to speak up for America while even congressional RINO's were hiding under their desk. He was right too, as it turns out for all the naysayers…he had clarity of vision, saw it for what it was and spoke his mind…not out checking focus groups or polls. An instinctive leader.

5. As for material and substantive, it appears now Romney won debate #2.


Before even taking office, his actions are telling the tale. He has surprised me with a pleasant upside. He communicates well, has been getting it right and now he's hitting the numbers.

All the 3rd party naysayers better put a sock in it because I think this guy is about to make a fool of you all. Plus, he's gonna want to get re-elected so he doesn't suffer the same fate as Zero the Incompetent.

robrides85
10-18-2012, 13:39
Your political ignorance is astounding.

A third party stand no chance of affecting an Presidential election to the good as long as 48 States have a winner-take-all electoral alotmnent. There is no room for a third party to get electoral votes unless they win the whole State. Right now we see how great the struggle is to eject Obama and how many Republican votes won't count in population dense liberal States. We call that "A Clue" . Until you change that in your State, by most likely changing you local officials to accomplish it, you are just children whizzing into the the wind.

I tried hard to get the folks at my State level to understand this. Some finally figured it out but unfortunatley, every POTUS election cycle all gets dropped as the personal agenda-driven zombies start their march towards the Potomac.
Many of us gave up and decided to change the tenor of the Republican party itself, which we have done in the rural areas of our State. The population dense liberal areas are still there but , surprisingly many of the rural Republicans reps are eerily similar to libertarian in their beliefs. We aren't too concerned with the name, we focus on the result in these parts

Somebody's got to push the Overton window. You're attempting to do it with your rural Republican reps, I'm attempting to do it by supporting a "leave me alone, and stop spending money" candidate. After observing the disenfranchisement of the Paul"bot" delegates at the RNC (let alone the creation of the Tea Party), you really think attempting to "move" the Republican machine from within is an attractive proposition for "children"?

countrygun
10-18-2012, 13:49
Somebody's got to push the Overton window. You're attempting to do it with your rural Republican reps, I'm attempting to do it by supporting a "leave me alone, and stop spending money" candidate. After observing the disenfranchisement of the Paul"bot" delegates at the RNC (let alone the creation of the Tea Party), you really think attempting to "move" the Republican machine from within is an attractive proposition for "children"?

And without any electoral votes just exactly what tangible evidence will you have the day after the election, that you even existed?

remember the word is "tangible".

You can't measure your effect with any quantifiable results just your own speculation and dribs and drabs from the speculation of the talking heads.

Take a clue from the actions of the socialists and the communists, they have merged with the Democratic Party and look at the effect they have had on it. The only thing standing in their way is the Republican party, the Libertarian party is flatulence in a whirlwind. Get real and try and reform the only party that stands in the way of the Uber left. Self aggrandize all you want. They day after the election come back and tell me what a powerful force you turned out to be:upeyes:

robrides85
10-18-2012, 14:21
And without any electoral votes just exactly what tangible evidence will you have the day after the election, that you even existed?

remember the word is "tangible".

You can't measure your effect with any quantifiable results just your own speculation and dribs and drabs from the speculation of the talking heads.

Take a clue from the actions of the socialists and the communists, they have merged with the Democratic Party and look at the effect they have had on it. The only thing standing in their way is the Republican party, the Libertarian party is flatulence in a whirlwind. Get real and try and reform the only party that stands in the way of the Uber left. Self aggrandize all you want. They day after the election come back and tell me what a powerful force you turned out to be:upeyes:

Will do, I'll be the vote in a swing state that pushes it one way or the other. Then I can come back here and claim (if Romney loses) that he should've had offered up a better budget/plan for cutting spending (and that the RNC should've but someone up whose plan I could actually believe) and he could've gotten my vote.

If Obama loses, I'll go find some other comment board and reiterate that he should've evolved more quickly re: gay marriage and keeping his promises re: medical marijuana dispensaries and foreign policy (not to mention his 2008 debate promise to take a scalpel to the budget) and he might've gotten my vote.

Cheerio, should've reformed your party before I showed up at the voting booth!

jlavallee
10-18-2012, 14:42
OK here it is. I am tired of you folks.

When you A**clowns can say that you have 20% of the Governorships in your pockets, 20% of legislators in at least 25 State Legisplatures, you have 20% of the Congress, THe and ONLY THEN will I bother to take you meddling in a Presidential election seriously.

I, like others here, was involved in third party politics before some of you were probably born, some may have been making yellow poo, but doubtful any had their first election under their belts.

I have gotten godawful tired of this going on every 4 years as if the White House was the Holy Grail, if they could somehow affect the presidential election they would show the whole world how important they are. well it turns out ,every 4 years they generally look more impotent than important. The only thing they can take credit for is the "Perot Factor" half of them don't want to take the blame for it and the other half want to take the credit. other than that, they control nothing in the House, Nothing in the Senate, nothing in their own States, but by God they all band together to stink up the election they can't win.

If you can't win enough OTHER offices to make a change all you are just an annoyance in the race tfor the POTUS. You are never going to make any significant change you are just pipsqueaks re enacting "The Mouse That Roared" every four years. It's over this time.

Shut your pie hole. If you wanted our vote you could have stood for a decent candidate so don't ***** when we won't play your lesser evils game. If the GOP loses it is your fault, not ours. With Mittens and Ryan, I just don't care.

countrygun
10-18-2012, 14:50
Shut your pie hole. If you wanted our vote you could have stood for a decent candidate so don't ***** when we won't play your lesser evils game. If the GOP loses it is your fault, not ours. With Mittens and Ryan, I just don't care.


Show me your electoral college votes after the election and tell me about how you just missed getting your man in the White House again.

Show me how many seats in Congress you hold.

Show me how you have changed apportionment in enough States so that everyones vote counts.

Show me tangible results.

Acujeff
10-18-2012, 15:52
As Gov of NM for 8 years, Johnson achieved absolutely no pro-2A progress. Gun owners had to wait till Johnson left office to even get CCW. He publicly presented himself then as a non gun owner and had no desire to own one. Now that he’s running for President, he wants to own a gun. How is he good for gun owners?

Gary Johnson was a Republican for his entire political career from 1994 to late 2011, when he abandoned his Republican primary candidacy. He's only been an official Libertarian for several months now. Do we vote for the man or the party?

Libertarians are just hypocrites when they come to gun forums to call gun owners sheep for voting Republican when they are voting Johnson for the sake of "their" party. Johnson has no chance of even winning one state! How is that good for gun owners?

If Libertarians were honest about helping the RKBA they would be helping Romney beat Obama rather than calling for splitting the vote and trying to ensure Obama gets a 2nd term.

How is another 4 years of Obama good for gun owners?

Most Libertarians realize that and are voting for Romney.
From Cato: Polls Show Romney Winning the Libertarian Vote
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/poll-shows-romney-winning-high-water-mark-for-libertarian-vote/

The benefits of President Romney pro-2A platform and record are much more preferable to gun owners, and our kids, than the "let's let Obama send the USA to hell to teach Republicans a lesson" platform of the GT Libertarian strategists.

hogfish
10-18-2012, 15:58
Your political ignorance is astounding.

A third party stand no chance of affecting an Presidential election to the good as long as 48 States have a winner-take-all electoral alotmnent. There is no room for a third party to get electoral votes unless they win the whole State. Right now we see how great the struggle is to eject Obama and how many Republican votes won't count in population dense liberal States. We call that "A Clue" . Until you change that in your State, by most likely changing you local officials to accomplish it, you are just children whizzing into the the wind.

I tried hard to get the folks at my State level to understand this. Some finally figured it out but unfortunatley, every POTUS election cycle all gets dropped as the personal agenda-driven zombies start their march towards the Potomac.
Many of us gave up and decided to change the tenor of the Republican party itself, which we have done in the rural areas of our State. The population dense liberal areas are still there but , surprisingly many of the rural Republicans reps are eerily similar to libertarian in their beliefs. We aren't too concerned with the name, we focus on the result in these parts

"Many of us gave up..." :faint:

concretefuzzynuts
10-18-2012, 16:06
As Gov of NM for 8 years, Johnson achieved absolutely no pro-2A progress. Gun owners had to wait till Johnson left office to even get CCW. He publicly presented himself then as a non gun owner and had no desire to own one. Now that he’s running for President, he wants to own a gun. How is he good for gun owners?

Gary Johnson was a Republican for his entire political career from 1994 to late 2011, when he abandoned his Republican primary candidacy. He's only been an official Libertarian for several months now. Do we vote for the man or the party?

Libertarians are just hypocrites when they come to gun forums to call gun owners sheep for voting Republican when they are voting Johnson for the sake of "their" party. Johnson has no chance of even winning one state! How is that good for gun owners?

If Libertarians were honest about helping the RKBA they would be helping Romney beat Obama rather than calling for splitting the vote and trying to ensure Obama gets a 2nd term.

How is another 4 years of Obama good for gun owners?

Most Libertarians realize that and are voting for Romney.
From Cato: Polls Show Romney Winning the Libertarian Vote
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/poll-shows-romney-winning-high-water-mark-for-libertarian-vote/

The benefits of President Romney pro-2A platform and record are much more preferable to gun owners, and our kids, than the "let's let Obama send the USA to hell to teach Republicans a lesson" platform of the GT Libertarian strategists.

That is the clearest statement on that subject I have ever heard. That is one of my problems with Johnson. I have been with the libertarian party since 1984, my political philosophies much longer than that. And it kinda bugs me that Johnson just flips over a few months ago.

Food for thought.

Ruble Noon
10-18-2012, 16:17
As Gov of NM for 8 years, Johnson achieved absolutely no pro-2A progress. Gun owners had to wait till Johnson left office to even get CCW. He publicly presented himself then as a non gun owner and had no desire to own one. Now that he’s running for President, he wants to own a gun. How is he good for gun owners?

Gary Johnson was a Republican for his entire political career from 1994 to late 2011, when he abandoned his Republican primary candidacy. He's only been an official Libertarian for several months now. Do we vote for the man or the party?

Libertarians are just hypocrites when they come to gun forums to call gun owners sheep for voting Republican when they are voting Johnson for the sake of "their" party. Johnson has no chance of even winning one state! How is that good for gun owners?

If Libertarians were honest about helping the RKBA they would be helping Romney beat Obama rather than calling for splitting the vote and trying to ensure Obama gets a 2nd term.

How is another 4 years of Obama good for gun owners?

Most Libertarians realize that and are voting for Romney.
From Cato: Polls Show Romney Winning the Libertarian Vote
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/poll-shows-romney-winning-high-water-mark-for-libertarian-vote/

The benefits of President Romney pro-2A platform and record are much more preferable to gun owners, and our kids, than the "let's let Obama send the USA to hell to teach Republicans a lesson" platform of the GT Libertarian strategists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQB03tYk-U0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Mitt Romney Talks Guns On Meet The Press - YouTube

That pretty much sums it up.

countrygun
10-18-2012, 16:21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQB03tYk-U0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Mitt Romney Talks Guns On Meet The Press - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Ygw9CQ9po)

That pretty much sums it up.


The election will sum it up for you,

robrides85
10-18-2012, 16:22
As Gov of NM for 8 years, Johnson achieved absolutely no pro-2A progress. Gun owners had to wait till Johnson left office to even get CCW. He publicly presented himself then as a non gun owner and had no desire to own one. Now that he’s running for President, he wants to own a gun. How is he good for gun owners?

Gary Johnson was a Republican for his entire political career from 1994 to late 2011, when he abandoned his Republican primary candidacy. He's only been an official Libertarian for several months now. Do we vote for the man or the party?

Libertarians are just hypocrites when they come to gun forums to call gun owners sheep for voting Republican when they are voting Johnson for the sake of "their" party. Johnson has no chance of even winning one state! How is that good for gun owners?

If Libertarians were honest about helping the RKBA they would be helping Romney beat Obama rather than calling for splitting the vote and trying to ensure Obama gets a 2nd term.

How is another 4 years of Obama good for gun owners?

Most Libertarians realize that and are voting for Romney.
From Cato: Polls Show Romney Winning the Libertarian Vote
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/poll-shows-romney-winning-high-water-mark-for-libertarian-vote/

The benefits of President Romney pro-2A platform and record are much more preferable to gun owners, and our kids, than the "let's let Obama send the USA to hell to teach Republicans a lesson" platform of the GT Libertarian strategists.

For the love of all holy, I didn't come here to call you a sheep, I showed up and gollyjee y'all were already insulting me.

Re: Gary Johnson and gun control. You can bet he would've had his veto pen ready. Where was Romney's?

Oh yeah, and the first four years of Obama were horrible for gun owners. Wait, what?

Romney would send us to hell anyway, remember? Mormonism isn't Christianity, it's a cult! - Billy Graham ('s website).

Regarding what Gary is or is not: the big tent is shrinking, to throw back a previous thought (he was trying to change the Republican party from within, now he gave up). Had his libertarian views re: drug policy endorsed by Buckley while still governor, endorsed Ron Paul for president in 2008. Never have voted for the party before, but he's a hell of a man.

Ruble Noon
10-18-2012, 16:23
The election will sum it up for you,

Collapse now or collapse later. Yep.

concretefuzzynuts
10-18-2012, 16:35
Regarding what Gary is or is not: the big tent is shrinking, to throw back a previous thought (he was trying to change the Republican party from within, now he gave up). Had his libertarian views re: drug policy endorsed by Buckley while still governor, endorsed Ron Paul for president in 2008. Never have voted for the party before, but he's a hell of a man.

Ron Paul is a Registered Republican.

And I voted for him in 1988 and 2008. But this election is about the country's loss to socialism.

robrides85
10-18-2012, 16:36
Ron Paul is a Registered Republican.

Because he hasn't given up yet. The day he endorses Romney is the day his support scatters to the winds.

Snowman92D
10-18-2012, 16:42
If you wanted our vote you could have stood for a decent candidate so don't ***** when we won't play your lesser evils game. If the GOP loses it is your fault, not ours. With Mittens and Ryan, I just don't care.

Well...it's a competitive primary system. Been that way all along.

You should have gotten behind a candidate of your choosing and campaigned hard to get his message across to the electorate of your chosen party. If you sell it well, and the message resonates with conservatives, then your guy gets the nod to represent them against the opposition in November.

Obviously that didn't work out so hot...so now you blame everyone else for your boy's message not catching on, and for your campaigning failures?

Cheer up...2016 will be here before you know it.

countrygun
10-18-2012, 16:47
Collapse now or collapse later. Yep.

Aw, poor Boo-Boo, his team didn't make it to the playoffs and now he is running around saying "who cares, it's a stupid game anyway"

concretefuzzynuts
10-18-2012, 16:49
Because he hasn't given up yet. The day he endorses Romney is the day his support scatters to the winds.

No, because we in the Libertarian party have no representation in DC. Just like the Tea Party members are Registered Republicans or the Socialist Party is represented by the Democratic Party.

Acujeff
10-18-2012, 17:32
For the love of all holy, I didn't come here to call you a sheep, I showed up and gollyjee y'all were already insulting me.

Re: Gary Johnson and gun control. You can bet he would've had his veto pen ready. Where was Romney's?

Oh yeah, and the first four years of Obama were horrible for gun owners. Wait, what?

Romney would send us to hell anyway, remember? Mormonism isn't Christianity, it's a cult! - Billy Graham ('s website).

Regarding what Gary is or is not: the big tent is shrinking, to throw back a previous thought (he was trying to change the Republican party from within, now he gave up). Had his libertarian views re: drug policy endorsed by Buckley while still governor, endorsed Ron Paul for president in 2008. Never have voted for the party before, but he's a hell of a man.

You didn't really answer the questions and you apparently don't know what you are talking about.

If you actually examine his record it is clear Romney signed no anti-2A bills while he was Gov. He only reduced gun control, removed gun control language from bills, or signed pro-2A bills into law in response to an 85% gun control congress. BTW, Romney vetoed around 800 bills sent to him as Gov and the democrat congress overrode over 700 of them.

So Romney has already been politically tested on the RKBA against a majority anti-2A congress and it's all pro-2A which very encouraging for gun owners.

http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/10/02/gun-owners-do-you-owe-mitt-romney-an-apology-for-your-doubts-must-read-report/#ixzz28AyBR021

You obviously think Obama's record as President had no effect on gun owners. How do you expect gun owners to find you credible if you dismiss Fast and Furious and the subsequent cover-up (the biggest criminal political scandal in American history), which lead to orders registering gun purchases in the four southern border states, using the ATF to harass gun shops out of business and promoting the UN Gun Ban Treaty? In addition, he appointed two anti-2A Supreme Court Justices and 125 anti-2A liberals to federal judgeships, including 25 to appellate courts. One more anti will make a majority in the SC and we'll never see a pro-2A decision in our lifetime.

Under an expansion of the civil forfeiture doctrine, Obama has just given the ATF the power to seize your firearms if they choose to, without due process, and even if you are not under investigation. Under Obama’s new decree, if the ATF says they are going to confiscate your firearms, they can.

How is Obama's attacks on our RKBA good for gun owners?

My point is that Johnson did nothing for gun owners and that Romney did a lot against great odds. You'd have to be insane to think voting for Johnson and rejecting Romney is good for gun owners.

BORNGEARHEAD
10-18-2012, 19:46
Gary Johnson 2012. :)

evlbruce
10-18-2012, 21:26
Aw, poor Boo-Boo, his team didn't make it to the playoffs and now he is running around saying "who cares, it's a stupid game anyway"

So logically, you all had nothing to complain about when the Dems swept the house, senate, and presidency.

countrygun
10-18-2012, 21:41
So logically, you all had nothing to complain about when the Dems swept the house, senate, and presidency.

Of course I did, I had been rooting for one of the teams that was actually in the playoff game.

Boo-Boo (rumble loon) was in the primaries and has been holding his breath and stomping his feet since. The point of the primary is to find your party's candidate. If you can't accept that unless it's your candidate then you are nothing more than a child throwing a tantrum.

Have tour own primary and get enough votes to get on the ballot if you are so important.

Or even better in this election, RP should have run as a Dem and challenged Obama's right to the throne, That migh have done some good for the image of the Libertarian movement...oh wait...they didn't even have tho votes to make that possible.:upeyes:

evlbruce
10-18-2012, 22:10
Of course I did, I had been rooting for one of the teams that was actually in the playoff game.

Your team lost: Your *****ing about it didn't change that, all it shows is that your a crybaby who throws a fit when his team didn't win the big game. So what if you made it to the playoffs? You're still a looser who doesn't get the ring nor do you get to make policy.

The point of elections is to form a government that makes policy, "if you can't accept that you're nothing more than a child throwing a tantrum."

LASTRESORT20
10-18-2012, 22:17
ComieKazie`s to lost to even talk too.........:yawn:

countrygun
10-18-2012, 22:19
Do I hear the flailing cries of a Paulbot out there somewhere in the darkness. No light, no life preserver in the cold empty darkness?

Must be so lonely now that the boat has slipped beneath the surface.

jlavallee
10-19-2012, 00:44
Show me your electoral college votes after the election and tell me about how you just missed getting your man in the White House again.

Show me how many seats in Congress you hold.

Show me how you have changed apportionment in enough States so that everyones vote counts.

Show me tangible results.

So if the end result is not likely to be as successful as one would hope then the logical move is to abandon their values and support someone who the sheep support but shares virtually none of my values. What does it feel like to have no spine?:shocked:

kirgi08
10-19-2012, 01:33
For the love of all holy, I didn't come here to call you a sheep, I showed up and gollyjee y'all were already insulting me.

Re: Gary Johnson and gun control. You can bet he would've had his veto pen ready. Where was Romney's?

Romney knew his veto would fail,he then negotiated some teeth out the measure.The dems went along as ta avoid the extra work of rescinding the veto.

Oh yeah, and the first four years of Obama were horrible for gun owners. Wait, what?

Let us see,what type of folks has he appointed ta the SCOTUS,liberals.He's laying the groundwork for another term.A retirement on the SCOTUS may very well tip the 2a inta toast.The SCOTUS scares me more than either 2 branches.

Romney would send us to hell anyway, remember? Mormonism isn't Christianity, it's a cult! - Billy Graham ('s website).

Remember what happened when JFK was running,there were ??s regarding his loyalty,the Vatican or the US.

Regarding what Gary is or is not: the big tent is shrinking, to throw back a previous thought (he was trying to change the Republican party from within, now he gave up). Had his libertarian views re: drug policy endorsed by Buckley while still governor, endorsed Ron Paul for president in 2008. Never have voted for the party before, but he's a hell of a man.

Who derided whom for "quitting",Palin got lambasted over her resignation.She went family first.

Collapse now or collapse later. Yep.

I'll take later,it'll give me more time ta prep.

Because he hasn't given up yet. The day he endorses Romney is the day his support scatters to the winds.

His support is what? What % did he draw.I like some of his Ideas,his foreign policy is abysmal and his drug policies will not be helpful.I'm a classic Libertarian,I'm 1,the nation on a whole don't like the use.




You didn't really answer the questions and you apparently don't know what you are talking about.

If you actually examine his record it is clear Romney signed no anti-2A bills while he was Gov. He only reduced gun control, removed gun control language from bills, or signed pro-2A bills into law in response to an 85% gun control congress. BTW, Romney vetoed around 800 bills sent to him as Gov and the democrat congress overrode over 700 of them.

So Romney has already been politically tested on the RKBA against a majority anti-2A congress and it's all pro-2A which very encouraging for gun owners.

http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/10/02/gun-owners-do-you-owe-mitt-romney-an-apology-for-your-doubts-must-read-report/#ixzz28AyBR021

You obviously think Obama's record as President had no effect on gun owners. How do you expect gun owners to find you credible if you dismiss Fast and Furious and the subsequent cover-up (the biggest criminal political scandal in American history), which lead to orders registering gun purchases in the four southern border states, using the ATF to harass gun shops out of business and promoting the UN Gun Ban Treaty? In addition, he appointed two anti-2A Supreme Court Justices and 125 anti-2A liberals to federal judgeships, including 25 to appellate courts. One more anti will make a majority in the SC and we'll never see a pro-2A decision in our lifetime.

Under an expansion of the civil forfeiture doctrine, Obama has just given the ATF the power to seize your firearms if they choose to, without due process, and even if you are not under investigation. Under Obama’s new decree, if the ATF says they are going to confiscate your firearms, they can.

How is Obama's attacks on our RKBA good for gun owners?

My point is that Johnson did nothing for gun owners and that Romney did a lot against great odds. You'd have to be insane to think voting for Johnson and rejecting Romney is good for gun owners.

:goodpost: :agree: :woohoo:

So if the end result is not likely to be as successful as one would hope then the logical move is to abandon their values and support someone who the sheep support but shares virtually none of my values. What does it feel like to have no spine?:shocked:

Nation over self.'08.