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Islander1
10-18-2012, 20:32
What's your opinion?

Sharkey
10-19-2012, 14:58
They either worked or they didn't. I liked mine and had no issues with it but I sold it to buy a duty gun on the approved list. This was 20yrs ago though. Unless it is a smokin' deal, there is probably better out there.

bac1023
10-19-2012, 15:27
I have one as a collector's item since they were the first full stainless 1911. As a serious shooter, forget it.

In fact, mine has never been fired. Its still brand new.

Jason D
10-19-2012, 16:38
I'd buy one if I could get it cheap.

Snaps
10-19-2012, 16:52
It's a gun I will own someday. Maybe even the longslide but one of them for sure.

bac1023
10-19-2012, 17:00
Quality wasn't good, but they were good looking 1911s.

They were modeled after the Colt Gold Cup NM. :cool:


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ca survivor
10-19-2012, 17:47
Bac, is there a 1911 that you still don't have in your collection ? or a particular one that you can't find ?

bac1023
10-19-2012, 17:51
Bac, is there a 1911 that you still don't have in your collection ? or a particular one that you can't find ?

Yeah, there are some I don't own. However, I pretty much have everything I want at this point.

I've been focused on non-1911 autos of late. I'm trying to balance out my collection somewhat. :cool:

ca survivor
10-19-2012, 17:56
you have a wonderful collection, enjoy it for many years.

faawrenchbndr
10-19-2012, 19:08
The slides galled very badly. If you have one, and shoot it, find
some Rig +P stainless steel lube. It is a must to stop the galling

bac1023
10-19-2012, 19:32
you have a wonderful collection, enjoy it for many years.

Thank you sir :cool:

Islander1
10-19-2012, 19:40
The reason I was asking about the AMT, is I was at my LGS picking up a gun that I had some work done to. A guy came in wanting to trade three guns for something different. One of his trade ins was the AMT. I didn't know anything about it. It did look like a Colt.

bac1023
10-19-2012, 19:43
Like I said, it's not something you want to buy for serious range time.

Stainless steel back then was not what it is today. Galling was a major concern.

countrygun
10-19-2012, 19:45
The slides galled very badly. If you have one, and shoot it, find
some Rig +P stainless steel lube. It is a must to stop the galling

It was kind of interesting in that they were a kind-of "Beta" test for SS 1911's. Manufacturers learned a lot about galling from them.

bac1023
10-19-2012, 19:55
It was kind of interesting in that they were a kind-of "Beta" test for SS 1911's. Manufacturers learned a lot about galling from them.

Yeah, those and dome other eat stainless autos really helped improve the metallurgy of stainless steel.

countrygun
10-19-2012, 20:09
Yeah, those and dome other eat stainless autos really helped improve the metallurgy of stainless steel.

A stainless 1911 is a wonderful thing and in a way we do kind of owe AMT a nod for being a pioneer, but not all pioneering is successful. I may be mistaken, in detail, but my memeory tells me the first "all Stainless" semi auto on the market was the Sterling .22 and .25. (just a little derail)

bac1023
10-20-2012, 02:09
I may be mistaken, in detail, but my memeory tells me the first "all Stainless" semi auto on the market was the Sterling .22 and .25. (just a little derail)That very well could be. :dunno:

Gary1911A1
10-20-2012, 09:10
Had one shortly after Col. cooper wrote about it in Guns&Ammo. Took years to get over feeling betrayed, but I did. Mine was terrible, wouldn't feed a complete magazine and had such sharp edges I didn't need a pocketknife.

bac1023
10-20-2012, 19:58
Had one shortly after Col. cooper wrote about it in Guns&Ammo. Took years to get over feeling betrayed, but I did. Mine was terrible, wouldn't feed a complete magazine and had such sharp edges I didn't need a pocketknife.

I think more didn't work than actually did work.

TTM65
10-20-2012, 22:17
I had 2 in the mid 80's, the first one was a complete POS. I sent it back to the factory and was quite suprised as the second one functioned perfectly. I say the second one because I stamped my initials into the frame under the grips, the stamping was gone but the serial number was the same. I am sure they just made another frame or possibly complete gun and sent it back. Either way it ran like a great machine.

Jim Watson
10-21-2012, 08:04
A friend of mine got one when they were new on the market. It didn't work well, but he was a skilled handtool gunsmith and he tinkered with it until it shot reliably. This involved a lot of Colt small parts and refitting. But it then shot.
He kept it lubricated and had no problems with galling.
It was not at all soft, he shot it thousands of rounds of what we would now call +P and there was no real wear, just a little burnishing of the coarse finish on the frame rails.

Another early buyer here is a toolroom machinist. He welded and cut on his until it worked, too. It has the oddest looking feed ramp I have ever seen, but it feeds any bullet he has tried over the years.

Mayhem like Me
10-22-2012, 09:29
What's your opinion?

Garbage.

They did look cool.. I had a Randall that pistol acually worked...

fnfalman
10-22-2012, 15:47
Great finger shredder.

You ain't an M1911 Man until you cut your thumb on the thumb safety and slide release on the AMT Hardballer.

fnfalman
10-22-2012, 15:49
It's a gun I will own someday. Maybe even the longslide but one of them for sure.

With a laser on top?

Sarahhh Connoh?

Unk
10-22-2012, 15:54
Related - had a AMT Back Up in .380 many years ago. You could truthfully say most of the negative comments here about that pistol.

Gave it to a LE SIL years ago..she has since moved on to Glocks and Kahrs.

bac1023
10-22-2012, 18:37
Great finger shredder.

You ain't an M1911 Man until you cut your thumb on the thumb safety and slide release on the AMT Hardballer.

:animlol:

Yeah, polished they are not.

bac1023
10-22-2012, 18:37
With a laser on top?

Sarahhh Connoh?

That old laser was like a scope, lol!

bac1023
10-22-2012, 18:56
Garbage.

They did look cool.. I had a Randall that pistol acually worked...

Randalls were better quality. They sell for some good money these days.

Snaps
10-27-2012, 01:15
With a laser on top?

Sarahhh Connoh?

Hell I forgot all about that, I was thinking more like Agent 47

DonMerlin
02-25-2013, 17:01
Don't want to dig up old bones but I bought my longslide in the early 80's and am still shooting it. I keep waiting for the bad things to happen.

YMMV

bac1023
02-25-2013, 18:43
Don't want to dig up old bones but I bought my longslide in the early 80's and am still shooting it. I keep waiting for the bad things to happen.

YMMV

Glad to hear :cool:

Pics?

DonMerlin
02-25-2013, 19:04
I hope this works. Grips are faux Ivory Harley eagles.

231549

Maine
02-25-2013, 21:01
Wow! that is a looong slide.

Fungunner
02-26-2013, 20:39
I had one, it looked great and shot well. I got some good lube to fight the galling. But when it wouldn't shoot my reloads, I got rid of it. All my guns have to be practical and useful. I don't have a use for any weapon that won't shoot anything but new ammo.

FullClip
02-27-2013, 12:13
I had a Long-Slide for a Long-Time...:supergrin:

I didn't shoot it a whole lot, but didn't have any problems with it either....factory ball, or my own reloaded lead round nose rounds. I did use liberal never-seeze on the frame to slide rails.

Kinda' sad I sold it.....well...not really sad, but it wasn't a bad gun for me.

RonS
03-01-2013, 19:08
I always heard they were junk. Last summer I was at the range when a guy set up next to me with one. Said he hadn't done a thing to his. We traded off for a mag apiece and his gun had a sweet trigger and shot like a dream. Had to kind of rethink that whole opinion.

pmcsurf1
07-30-2013, 17:45
I always heard they were junk. Had to kind of rethink that whole opinion.

Nice to hear Ron. Most haters never even shot one. Just read about them being junk.
Glocks for carry and home defense but have a Hardballer for range fun. Shoots tight groups. More reliable then my Colt Combat Commander. My opinion... and we all know what that's worth.

faawrenchbndr
07-30-2013, 17:52
Far from junk,.......most owners were just not smart enough to keep them lubed properly.

bac1023
07-30-2013, 18:58
Nice to hear Ron. Most haters never even shot one. Just read about them being junk.
Glocks for carry and home defense but have a Hardballer for range fun. Shoots tight groups. More reliable then my Colt Combat Commander. My opinion... and we all know what that's worth.

Glad to hear its working well for you.

bac1023
07-30-2013, 18:59
Far from junk,.......most owners were just not smart enough to keep them lubed properly.

Very true, Greg. Early stainless certainly needed plenty of lube.

Mayhem like Me
07-30-2013, 19:52
Randalls were better quality. They sell for some good money these days.

Saw the thread back up, I have found another Randall raider...negotiating the trade now....


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Tony Rumore
08-06-2013, 01:07
I bought a Longslide when they first came out. I believe they were $239 at the time. It wouldn't feed a single hardball round from the magazine, or eject a single empty case from the chamber. It took a pile of rework to get the thing going. Then the chamber cracked below the under lug and blew a case out. It took AMT five months to put a new barrel in it. I never had any galling issues, but I always kept it lubed up good.

If you consider that a great gun or POS.....well, that's your call.

Tony