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DOC44
10-21-2012, 05:07
Obama event goers on Benghazi: What?!?


.... but it is cool to be for obama...... but it seems there are more cool people than there are informed people.... and they vote.:faint:


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pipedreams
10-21-2012, 05:50
I saw that on TV the other day and those people didn't have a clue. They had never heard of the ambassador that got killed or Benghazi. If you had told some of those people Benghazi was a new video game you were selling they would have believed you.

CitizenOfDreams
10-21-2012, 06:14
Tell me again why letting everyone vote is a good idea. Is there something I don't understand about this "democracy" thing?

hogship
10-21-2012, 06:44
Tell me again why letting everyone vote is a good idea. Is there something I don't understand about this "democracy" thing?

It's sort of like free speech......not everyone should have it.

I'll bet there are quite a few very young voters who are informed, but they are outnumbered 100:1.......

I don't know what the solution is, but we NEED to have an informed vote. The uninformed vote is what brought us Obama in the first place.

There have been a number of times lately where I see advertisement showing Michelle Obama with a big smile. The text asks the reader......"Are you in?". These people in the video are the ones who would respond to something like that......."hope and change", stupid kids......:steamed:

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IvanVic
10-21-2012, 06:50
They'd probably be clueless regardless of what issue you asked them about.

JBnTX
10-21-2012, 06:57
Tell me again why letting everyone vote is a good idea. Is there something I don't understand about this "democracy" thing?

Every citizen must be allowed to vote.

Videos like that are one-sided and never present an accurate assessment of the intelligence of the American voter.

What kind of answers do you expect from a bunch of college kids?

Most of them won't even vote until later when they enter the work force and political issues have a direct influence on their lives.

Now, go to a factory full of middle aged, hard working taxpaying people and ask those same questions.

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engineer151515
10-21-2012, 07:01
America gets the leadership that appeals to the lowest common denominator.

That would be the American Idol winner.


Don't feel bad. Apparently the entire world has been so dumbed down that the Nobel Committee issues prizes to people for what they "might" do in the future (as opposed to real heroes) and southern Europe feels as though accounting doesn't really matter.


Idiocracy is here.
Watch for the irrigation of farmland with sports drinks soon.

CitizenOfDreams
10-21-2012, 07:14
Every citizen must be allowed to vote.


(the voice of Mindy from the Animaniacs cartoon) Why?

nursetim
10-21-2012, 07:54
I'm going with JBnTx on this one. A highly edited video proves nada. That couple with the fact that humans loose 30+ IQ points when you shove a microphone in front of them.

Ruble Noon
10-21-2012, 07:57
Every citizen must be allowed to vote.

Videos like that are one-sided and never present an accurate assessment of the intelligence of the American voter.

What kind of answers do you expect from a bunch of college kids?

Most of them won't even vote until later when they enter the work force and political issues have a direct influence on their lives.

Now, go to a factory full of middle aged, hard working taxpaying people and ask those same questions.

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Why? There is no constitutional right to vote in federal elections.

jdavionic
10-21-2012, 08:00
Every citizen must be allowed to vote.


And where is that in the constitution? There is none.

Skyhook
10-21-2012, 08:01
Every citizen must be allowed to vote.

Videos like that are one-sided and never present an accurate assessment of the intelligence of the American voter.

What kind of answers do you expect from a bunch of college kids?

Most of them won't even vote until later when they enter the work force and political issues have a direct influence on their lives.

Now, go to a factory full of middle aged, hard working taxpaying people and ask those same questions.

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"Every citizen must be allowed to vote."

Once upon a time the term 'citizen' meant something. Just look at what qualifies one to be thought of as a 'citizen' today.
:shakehead:

The definition like the term has become meaningless.

certifiedfunds
10-21-2012, 08:05
Every citizen must be allowed to vote.

Videos like that are one-sided and never present an accurate assessment of the intelligence of the American voter.

What kind of answers do you expect from a bunch of college kids?

Most of them won't even vote until later when they enter the work force and political issues have a direct influence on their lives.

Now, go to a factory full of middle aged, hard working taxpaying people and ask those same questions.

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You speak Mandarin?

callihan_44
10-21-2012, 08:05
That video pretty much sums up my experience with the average person on the street, Im constantly bringing up political issues with people and the majority dont know or dont care unless the issue directly affects them. I debated libs who have NEVER heard of fast and furious and DONT believe it even happened.... you would be surprised at how many people dont even know who the vice pres-secretary of state is....

aircarver
10-21-2012, 08:23
Every citizen must be allowed to vote.



So what happens when 51% vote that 49% must support them while they do not work?

It's getting close. ... :frown:

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series1811
10-21-2012, 08:46
So what happens when 51% vote that 49% must support them while they do not work?

It's getting close. ... :frown:

.

It's really close and it's going to happen sooner or later.

JBnTX
10-21-2012, 09:39
(the voice of Mindy from the Animaniacs cartoon) Why?

Why? There is no constitutional right to vote in federal elections.

And where is that in the constitution? There is none.

"Every citizen must be allowed to vote."

Once upon a time the term 'citizen' meant something. Just look at what qualifies one to be thought of as a 'citizen' today.
:shakehead:

The definition like the term has become meaningless.

You speak Mandarin?

So what happens when 51% vote that 49% must support them while they do not work?

It's getting close. ... :frown:

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What would you guys think if a majority of people said that people like you should not be allowed to vote?

John Rambo
10-21-2012, 09:49
Every citizen must be allowed to vote.

Videos like that are one-sided and never present an accurate assessment of the intelligence of the American voter.

What kind of answers do you expect from a bunch of college kids?

Most of them won't even vote until later when they enter the work force and political issues have a direct influence on their lives.

Now, go to a factory full of middle aged, hard working taxpaying people and ask those same questions.

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Good post.

jdavionic
10-21-2012, 09:53
What would you guys think if a majority of people said that people like you should not be allowed to vote?

That's not the point that I was raising. My point is be careful with such false assertions. We get into the whole Voter ID issue with people screaming it is their "right" to vote. It's not a right. Boortz had a good article on this topic. I'll see if I can find it.

JFrame
10-21-2012, 09:59
They'd probably be clueless regardless of what issue you asked them about.


Yup -- unless it has something to do with "Jersey Shore" or the Kardashians...


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JBnTX
10-21-2012, 10:01
That's not the point that I was raising. My point is be careful with such false assertions. We get into the whole Voter ID issue with people screaming it is their "right" to vote. It's not a right. Boortz had a good article on this topic. I'll see if I can find it.


I understand what you're saying, but if we start picking and choosing who should be allowed to vote, what if you end up on the wrong side of the ledger?

Just as you think there are people who shouldn't be allowed to vote, there are also people on the other side who think you shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Which side wins? Who will decide who votes and who doesn't?

hogship
10-21-2012, 10:02
You speak Mandarin?

Now THAT was funny! :rofl:

I don't think everyone MUST have the right to vote.......the problem is weeding out those who shouldn't be allowed to vote. There really isn't any way to do that without catching some in the net who should vote........



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kirgi08
10-21-2012, 10:05
"Every citizen must be allowed to vote."

Once upon a time the term 'citizen' meant something. Just look at what qualifies one to be thought of as a 'citizen' today.
:shakehead:

The definition like the term has become meaningless.

Amen

You speak Mandarin?

Nope some WU and pidgin.I may find a restroom and ordering a beer is hit or miss.'08.

mj9mm
10-21-2012, 10:22
Every citizen must be allowed to vote.

Videos like that are one-sided and never present an accurate assessment of the intelligence of the American voter.

What kind of answers do you expect from a bunch of college kids?

Most of them won't even vote until later when they enter the work force and political issues have a direct influence on their lives.

Now, go to a factory full of middle aged, hard working taxpaying people and ask those same questions.

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not so much a point against college kids, didn't you notice the middle aged people he talked to?

IvanVic
10-21-2012, 13:53
Ha, to the handful of posters in this thread that want to limit who can vote - you're supposedly concerned about overreaching government power and the slippery slope, yet you want the government to have the power to pick and choose which adults can vote?

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?

jdavionic
10-21-2012, 13:57
Ha, to the handful of posters in this thread that want to limit who can vote - you're supposedly concerned about overreaching government power and the slippery slope, yet you want the government to have the power to pick and choose which adults can vote?

Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?

Uh, I think you missed the points. 1) people were clarifying that the "right to vote" is not a right. 2) with all of the legal activities aimed to keep a high probability of illegal immigrants being able to vote, the term citizen and the "right to vote" have come front & center in this election.

G29Reload
10-21-2012, 13:59
Epic stupid.

There may not be any victory for us left with that volume of idiot.

We may have just lost the war. The level of uninformed, most directly falls to the Press. They're who really need to be overthrown.

But If I can find out the truth, anyone can. It really does come down to how smart you are about finding the truth and being involved.

These people here…lemmings. Depressing as hell. College students used to be cutting edge.

CitizenOfDreams
10-21-2012, 16:09
What would you guys think if a majority of people said that people like you should not be allowed to vote?

Having been born and raised in a Communist country, I value democratic freedoms more than some natural born Americans do. But the right to vote is not one of them.

We all voted back in the Soviet Union, and our "elections" were just as fake and meaningless as they are here in the States.

So no, I wouldn't cry if I'm not allowed to vote, or even if voting goes away altogether. As long as the country prospers, I don't care who's in power or how they got there.

countrygun
10-21-2012, 16:36
Having been born and raised in a Communist country, I value democratic freedoms more than some natural born Americans do. But the right to vote is not one of them.

We all voted back in the Soviet Union, and our "elections" were just as fake and meaningless as they are here in the States.

So no, I wouldn't cry if I'm not allowed to vote, or even if voting goes away altogether. As long as the country prospers, I don't care who's in power or how they got there.

Then why are you here?

i am not being mean but look at the history of how the Soviet Union came to be. The Revolution and the short Democracy yeilded to the Communists which was supposed to actually be a "Democracy" in the purest sense and how did that turn out?

Complaining about the Tsars and demanding a new method of Government worked out real well didn't it? To compare the US to the Soviet Union makes me wonder---a lot--about where you are really coming from.

coastal4974
10-21-2012, 17:35
That's ok, they are the ones that will have pay the bill. :rofl:

conservativenut
10-21-2012, 17:39
Ok I understand the students not knowing what happened but what about the two adults that he talked to? Especially the gentleman who blamed the Republicans for what happened. I just don't understand that! :steamed:

hogship
10-21-2012, 18:41
We may have just lost the war. The level of uninformed, most directly falls to the Press. They're who really need to be overthrown.



I've been thinking this, too.

The MSM is in control of the news that 90% of the uninformed hear, and judge events by.

We probably will never find a way to make the 90% seek out the truth, but if the MSM were interested in reporting, instead of manipulating public opinion.......our national circumstances would be vastly better than it is now.

I, too, place a great deal of the blame on the MSM.

Change the MSM, into a news reporting entity, and we can alter the current course of destruction.

OK.....then there is the matter of our educational system that seems more of an indoctrination organization than what it is supposed to be. :steamed:

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countrygun
10-21-2012, 18:52
I've been thinking this, too.

The MSM is in control of the news that 90% of the uninformed hear, and judge events by.

We probably will never find a way to make the 90% seek out the truth, but if the MSM were interested in reporting, instead of manipulating public opinion.......our national circumstances would be vastly better than it is now.

I, too, place a great deal of the blame on the MSM.

Change the MSM, into a news reporting entity, and we can alter the current course of destruction.

OK.....then there is the matter of our educational system that seems more of an indoctrination organization than what it is supposed to be. :steamed:

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I am holding the idea, that, given the "secret" recording of Romney and the 47% comment, somewhere a candidate has been recorded in similar circumstances blasting on the media bias. The odds are good one has said something about that and probably with specifics. the odds are good that somebody recorded it and equally good that it was given to the media. Gee, I wonder if they would show THAT secret recording?

:whistling:

CitizenOfDreams
10-21-2012, 20:11
Then why are you here?

Because the USA is a better country to live in. Thanks to universal suffrage or despite it - I don't really know.

concretefuzzynuts
10-21-2012, 20:56
I have several UK friends who had to take a test for citizenship. They are all appalled at the level of ignorance in the population of American voters about this government.

Not only should we citizens be required to know as much as the legal immigrants entering this country, but those who vote should at least know as much.

juggy4711
10-21-2012, 21:45
Every citizen must be allowed to vote...

The Founders would not agree but then again they were just a bunch of rich white racists so what did they know.

hogship
10-21-2012, 21:51
The Founders would not agree but then again they were just a bunch of rich white racists so what did they know.

If I'm remembering correctly, there was debate to restrict voting to landowners.........

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JBnTX
10-21-2012, 21:59
If I'm remembering correctly, there was debate to restrict voting to landowners.........

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White male landowners to be exact.
Funny how the strict constitutionalist's never mention that.

certifiedfunds
10-21-2012, 22:03
The Founders would not agree but then again they were just a bunch of rich white racists so what did they know.

Well, the founders also designed a government with several anti-democratic provisions, and wisely so. The government we have no longer functions as they designed.

Repeal the 17th Amendment and restore the republic.

certifiedfunds
10-21-2012, 22:04
White male landowners to be exact.
Funny how the strict constitutionalist's never mention that.

Why's that?

And "strict Constitutionalists"? I take it you think the Constitution was not meant to be taken "strictly"?

JBnTX
10-21-2012, 22:05
Having been born and raised in a Communist country, I value democratic freedoms more than some natural born Americans do. But the right to vote is not one of them.

We all voted back in the Soviet Union, and our "elections" were just as fake and meaningless as they are here in the States.

So no, I wouldn't cry if I'm not allowed to vote, or even if voting goes away altogether. As long as the country prospers, I don't care who's in power or how they got there.


How can you say you "value democratic freedoms more than some natural born Americans", yet have such little respect for the right to vote?

Our right to vote is what keeps this country free, and is one of our most cherished responsibilities.

And comparing the United States to the Soviet Union in any way is just plain wrong.

certifiedfunds
10-21-2012, 22:19
Our right to vote is what keeps this country free, and is one of our most cherished responsibilities.



Uh, no, it isn't. It has been, in large part, the driving force of our demise.

Ringo S.
10-21-2012, 22:45
And comparing the United States to the Soviet Union in any way is just plain wrong.
Нow about this comparison:
2/3 of nazi best divisions was destroyed on Eastern front and 1/3 on Western... Without Soviet Union Normandy invasion would never happen and at least half of the world or maybe more would be under "master race".

JBnTX
10-21-2012, 23:05
Uh, no, it isn't. It has been, in large part, the driving force of our demise.


WTF? You say voting is the driving force of our demise?
Really?

First off, this country is no where near it's "demise".

Second, the ability to vote and choose our government is a large part of what has made the United States the greatest country on Earth.

Sure we have problems, but we're still light years ahead of all the other countries.

JBnTX
10-21-2012, 23:08
Нow about this comparison:
2/3 of nazi best divisions was destroyed on Eastern front and 1/3 on Western... Without Soviet Union Normandy invasion would never happen and at least half of the world or maybe more would be under "master race".


That's a history lesson, not a comparison of the United States with the Soviet Union.

ModGlock17
10-21-2012, 23:34
How can you say you "value democratic freedoms more than some natural born Americans", yet have such little respect for the right to vote?

Our right to vote is what keeps this country free, and is one of our most cherished responsibilities.

And comparing the United States to the Soviet Union in any way is just plain wrong.

JB, all he's saying is that he's used to being told what to do. And that's ok if he's allowed to buy, drive, eat, etc.

In other words, you can take the boy out of socialism, but you can't take socialism out of the boy,

ModGlock17
10-21-2012, 23:40
Нow about this comparison:
2/3 of nazi best divisions was destroyed on Eastern front and 1/3 on Western... Without Soviet Union Normandy invasion would never happen and at least half of the world or maybe more would be under "master race".

not really, Ringo man.

Hitler simply did not have the resource after all Allied bombings. His war machinery production was in ruin. The only thing that was still standing was the cathedral in Cologne, marble blackened by the smoke and powder from the surrounding. They were living in borrowed time because they could not dominate the air war!

So you buy into "rewriting history" much?

countrygun
10-22-2012, 01:46
Нow about this comparison:
2/3 of nazi best divisions was destroyed on Eastern front and 1/3 on Western... Without Soviet Union Normandy invasion would never happen and at least half of the world or maybe more would be under "master race".


In the first place that has nothing to do with comparing our elections to the Soviet Union's (Russia's)

In the second place If Hitler hadn't been a meglomaniac and tried to invade Russia it would have been a moot point because without the Melomania - no WWII

In the third place D-Day still might have been a failure if Hitler and the high command hadn't been so incompetent and had responded quicker, so there is no proving that without the Russian front he still wouldn't have screwed up.

In the fourth place any student of history can tell you, that if that situation hadn't been exactly as it was, other plans would have been made. It is almost impossible to say "If this didn't happen then......(whatever) would have ended completely differently." It's like saying "If the South had used ballon observation and spotting they would have won the Civil War."

CitizenOfDreams
10-22-2012, 07:08
How can you say you "value democratic freedoms more than some natural born Americans", yet have such little respect for the right to vote?


The universal right to vote was explicitly stated in the Soviet Constitution. "...all USSR citizens age 18 and older have the right to elect and to be elected...", Article 96.

The US Constitution has no such provision, only several amendments that prohibit limiting voting rights based on birthplace, race or gender.


And comparing the United States to the Soviet Union in any way is just plain wrong.
The longer I live here, the more parallels to the Soviet Union I notice. I don't know whether it's wrong or right, but it is scary.

kirgi08
10-22-2012, 08:03
:goodpost: :agree:

Bren
10-22-2012, 08:34
Tell me again why letting everyone vote is a good idea. Is there something I don't understand about this "democracy" thing?

I'm with you. When we scrape the bottom of the barrel for voters, we get bottom-of-the-barrel results - 2008 was the best example we have ever had.

My wife and I were just talking last night about the differences in where the 2 parties look for voters.

The Republicans want soldiers to vote, because the military mostly votes Republican (although a lot of the lower ranks will vote Dem based solely on race this time).

The democrats, on the other hand, concentrate on getting voting rights automatically restored to felons when they are released from prison (and actual, nationwide Dem strategy in recent years) because criminals (when they vote) vote democrat. Add to that, finding ways to motivate the non-working housing project dwellers to wake up in time to vote. The best class of voters the Democrats are trying to motivate are the completely uninformed college students shown in the video. I truly - 100% honestly - believe that the democrats are the party of the stupid and corrupt.

certifiedfunds
10-22-2012, 09:37
WTF? You say voting is the driving force of our demise?
Really?

First off, this country is no where near it's "demise".

Second, the ability to vote and choose our government is a large part of what has made the United States the greatest country on Earth.

Sure we have problems, but we're still light years ahead of all the other countries.

Of course. Unfettered democracy has bankrupted us.

JBnTX
10-22-2012, 09:47
Of course. Unfettered democracy has bankrupted us.

Obviously we see two different Americas.

I see the greatest country on Earth, with its best days yet to come. A country that will survive its current financial difficulties and be a stronger country for it. We are destined to soon lead the free world through the upcoming tenth Holy Crusade that will crush the demonic forces of Islamic aggression.

You see something old, tired and near the end of it's useful life.

One of us is wrong?

CitizenOfDreams
10-22-2012, 10:10
Here is a funny (or rather not-so-funny) fact...

According to a 2002 Columbia Law School study (http://www2.law.columbia.edu/news/surveys/survey_constitution/index.shtml), nearly two-thirds of persons polled thought that the phrase "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" came from the Constitution or might have been crafted by the Framers.

Tell me again who is mixing up the USA and the USSR.

certifiedfunds
10-22-2012, 10:11
Obviously we see two different Americas.

I see the greatest country on Earth, with its best days yet to come. A country that will survive its current financial difficulties and be a stronger country for it. We are destined to soon lead the free world through the upcoming tenth Holy Crusade that will crush the demonic forces of Islamic aggression.

You see something old, tired and near the end of it's useful life.

One of us is wrong?

Obviously you can't do simple mathematics.

Skyhook
10-22-2012, 10:16
Liked the first video--- much prefer this one. :cool:
"We Need Jobs" - Ohio University Believes - YouTube

Ringo S.
10-22-2012, 17:47
not really, Ringo man.

Hitler simply did not have the resource after all Allied bombings. His war machinery production was in ruin.
How do you explain the fact, that nazi armament production was increasing until last months of the war? In 1943 Germany made more, than in 1942, in 1944 more than in 1943... All in spite of increasing of ally bombing.
There is saying: "The best means to destroy enemy air power is moving your tanks on enemy air fields"....

juggy4711
10-30-2012, 18:38
I'm not sure there is a better example of useful idiot than JBnTX. I swear I'm not picking on you JB, yet you consistently demonstrate just how stupid the electorate can be and exactly why the Founders designed our government as a limited democracy.

A wise man once told me "a person can be intelligent, people are stupid". You are proof positive of that.

countrygun
10-30-2012, 18:50
I'm not sure there is a better example of useful idiot than JBnTX. I swear I'm not picking on you JB, yet you consistently demonstrate just how stupid the electorate can be and exactly why the Founders designed our government as a limited democracy.

A wise man once told me "a person can be intelligent, people are stupid". You are proof positive of that.

Did your "wise man" write the whole script for "Men in Black" too?

kirgi08
10-30-2012, 18:53
:dunno:

Skyhook
10-30-2012, 18:59
How do you explain the fact, that nazi armament production was increasing until last months of the war? In 1943 Germany made more, than in 1942, in 1944 more than in 1943... All in spite of increasing of ally bombing.
There is saying: "The best means to destroy enemy air power is moving your tanks on enemy air fields"....

Every serious student of warfare would agree with the 'tanks' and 'boots on the ground' concept.

Good point.

Skyhook
10-30-2012, 19:01
I'm not sure there is a better example of useful idiot than JBnTX. I swear I'm not picking on you JB, yet you consistently demonstrate just how stupid the electorate can be and exactly why the Founders designed our government as a limited democracy.

A wise man once told me "a person can be intelligent, people are stupid". You are proof positive of that.

"better example of useful idiot than JBnTX."

And, for future reference, sir, you would be best advised to drop the name-calling if you wish those with higher than double digit IQs to take you seriously.

Just sayin'.

Cavalry Doc
10-30-2012, 19:05
http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/62/2012/10/29/121353_600.jpg

Vic777
10-30-2012, 19:07
Tell me again why letting everyone vote is a good idea. Is there something I don't understand about this "democracy" thing?It's the lieberals who want everyone to vote because the more morons voting the better the chances are for the Dumocrats to steal their money and futures.

PocketProtector
10-30-2012, 19:09
I'm with you. When we scrape the bottom of the barrel for voters, we get bottom-of-the-barrel results - 2008 was the best example we have ever had.

My wife and I were just talking last night about the differences in where the 2 parties look for voters.

The Republicans want soldiers to vote, because the military mostly votes Republican (although a lot of the lower ranks will vote Dem based solely on race this time).

The democrats, on the other hand, concentrate on getting voting rights automatically restored to felons when they are released from prison (and actual, nationwide Dem strategy in recent years) because criminals (when they vote) vote democrat. Add to that, finding ways to motivate the non-working housing project dwellers to wake up in time to vote. The best class of voters the Democrats are trying to motivate are the completely uninformed college students shown in the video. I truly - 100% honestly - believe that the democrats are the party of the stupid and corrupt.

Republicans want The Miltary to vote because no one has eraned it more. Your version is just Lib speak. Although the Libs do to everything they can to discourage it.

certifiedfunds
10-30-2012, 19:14
"better example of useful idiot than JBnTX."

And, for future reference, sir, you would be best advised to drop the name-calling if you wish those with higher than double digit IQs to take you seriously.

Just sayin'.

Useful idiot isn't really name calling. It's a historical/political reference. Juggy applied it very appropriately.

Armchair Commando
10-30-2012, 19:23
Every citizen must be allowed to vote.

Videos like that are one-sided and never present an accurate assessment of the intelligence of the American voter.

What kind of answers do you expect from a bunch of college kids?

Most of them won't even vote until later when they enter the work force and political issues have a direct influence on their lives.

Now, go to a factory full of middle aged, hard working taxpaying people and ask those same questions.

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Last time i checked the majority of college students were old enough to vote,serve in the military and perform jury duty. Why should they not know about political issues?
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certifiedfunds
10-30-2012, 19:28
Last time i checked the majority of college students were old enough to vote,serve in the military and perform jury duty. Why should they not know about political issues?
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JB is old. Scared they might discover the old folks have enslaved them to a mountain of debt.

Skyhook
10-30-2012, 19:40
Useful idiot isn't really name calling. It's a historical/political reference. Juggy applied it very appropriately.

Opinion.

certifiedfunds
10-30-2012, 19:42
Opinion.

Word.

Skyhook
10-30-2012, 19:46
Last time i checked the majority of college students were old enough to vote,serve in the military and perform jury duty. Why should they not know about political issues?
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Perhaps some of us know that being a responsible participant in something as deadly serious as running this precious nation requires education, experience, and reason, and maturity.

Check YouTube, Jackass, drivers' records and drunken brawl arrests and then decide for yourself whether or not those capable of choreographed killing are also mature enough to determine the fate of this country.

countrygun
10-30-2012, 19:51
Last time i checked the majority of college students were old enough to vote,serve in the military and perform jury duty. Why should they not know about political issues?
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When I was in college I found myself surrounded by some of the dumbest, most clueless M***********r's I have ever seen. A soldier or someone their age who wasn't in college but was working for a living had more on the ball than they did.

hogship
10-30-2012, 21:47
When I was in college, I had already served in the military, voted, and was working part time.........I also was a liberal, because I didn't yet have the wisdom that comes with age.

Not everyone gains some wisdom with age, but those who have will know what I'm talking about, and others will only think they know what I'm talking about! :supergrin:

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Skyhook
10-31-2012, 05:07
When I was in college, I had already served in the military, voted, and was working part time.........I also was a liberal, because I didn't yet have the wisdom that comes with age.

Not everyone gains some wisdom with age, but those who have will know what I'm talking about, and others will only think they know what I'm talking about! :supergrin:

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:supergrin: Not pretending to know what you are talking about, I am yet convinced we have enormous numbers of folks staggering about who have been 'educated' far beyond their intellect. Heck, some even claim to have attended Hahvard. :rofl:

hogship
10-31-2012, 05:39
:supergrin: Not pretending to know what you are talking about, I am yet convinced we have enormous numbers of folks staggering about who have been 'educated' far beyond their intellect. Heck, some even claim to have attended Hahvard. :rofl:

Well.......I know exactly what you are talking about, and you are absolutely right. :supergrin:

Education credentials doesn't make one intelligent, it only enhances intelligence that is pre-existing. Too bad many consider education to equal intelligence, but they are entirely different things. Way too many people are becoming educated that shouldn't be. They have the ability to pass through the educational system, but have no critical thinking abilities.


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russtang
10-31-2012, 10:03
Well.......I know exactly what you are talking about, and you are absolutely right. :supergrin:

Education credentials doesn't make one intelligent, it only enhances intelligence that is pre-existing. Too bad many consider education to equal intelligence, but they are entirely different things. Way too many people are becoming educated that shouldn't be. They have the ability to pass through the educational system, but have no critical thinking abilities.


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I Agree.

One of this countries biggest problems is equating knowledge and intelligence with education.

You can educate a fool, but he's still a fool.

Ian Moone
10-31-2012, 10:20
Well.......I know exactly what you are talking about, and you are absolutely right. :supergrin:

Education credentials doesn't make one intelligent, it only enhances intelligence that is pre-existing. Too bad many consider education to equal intelligence, but they are entirely different things. Way too many people are becoming educated that shouldn't be. They have the ability to pass through the educational system, but have no critical thinking abilities.


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Amen, brother!!

Working in a higher ed environment, I've met hundred of people who have an alphabet soup of letters behind their name but have no clue how to function in society. A degree merely proves one knows how to complete a series of predefined steps in a narrow range of existence, intelligence is being able to consciously apply what you know.

SCmasterblaster
10-31-2012, 11:38
BenghaziGate will not be a headline in the liberal newspapers.

juggy4711
10-31-2012, 20:52
"better example of useful idiot than JBnTX."

And, for future reference, sir, you would be best advised to drop the name-calling if you wish those with higher than double digit IQs to take you seriously.

Just sayin'.

If you think you can cower me into not calling a spade a spade you are wasting your breath. I will not bow down to militant liberalism. Those that will be so offended by my calling out JB in this context are folks I don't care what opinion they hold. If calling a fool a fool bothers you so much, my guess is you don't have an IQ above double digits.

Just sayin'...

Opinion.

Well perhaps there is hope for you yet.

Word.

Indeed.