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M&P Shooter
10-21-2012, 11:41
MISSING.....Our friend's daughter AUTUMN PASQUALE has not been seen since yesterday afternoon at her fathers house in Clayton, NJ. 12 years old, 5'4" 120lbs, blue eyes, blond wavy hair, usually wears it in a ponytail or "messy bun". Not sure what she was wearing except for blue sneakers. Last seen in Clayton, NJ 1:30pm. No cell phone activity since 2:41pm. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE If you've seen her, know where she might be, please contact us!!!! Or call Clayton police at 856-881-2300. We just want her home safe. We need to keep spreading the word, Thank you to all of you who have spread the word already and your prayers!!!
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/189022_250924318363650_1888029268_n.jpg

M&P Shooter
10-21-2012, 11:41
I am posting this everywhere for a friend in hopes they find their daughter!

Calico Jack
10-21-2012, 11:47
I am posting this everywhere for a friend in hopes they find their daughter!

Damn man. All I can say is I hope they find her soon!


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deputy tom
10-21-2012, 12:03
Prayers sent for safe return home. tom.

Ragnar
10-21-2012, 12:16
Not to be an ass, but how is the relationship between the dad and mom? The most obvious suspect is the father given that it was his house where she was last seen.

M&P Shooter
10-21-2012, 12:41
Not to be an ass, but how is the relationship between the dad and mom? The most obvious suspect is the father given that it was his house where she was last seen.
I'm not sure of story. The family is friends with one of my friends. I posted story in hopes someone will find her, I have 2 daughters ages 4 & 13 and if something happened to either one I wouldn't be able to go on.

happy seal
10-21-2012, 12:46
I linked this post to a group of people down in that area. Hope she is found well.

jakebrake
10-21-2012, 12:51
posted on my f.b. page. maybe one of my fb friends sees her.

M&P Shooter
10-21-2012, 12:54
I linked this post to a group of people down in that area. Hope she is found well.
Thanks

M&P Shooter
10-21-2012, 12:54
posted on my f.b. page. maybe one of my fb friends sees her.
Thanks

Kevin108
10-21-2012, 13:02
I have family in Blackwood, NJ, about 30 mins from Clayton. I just shared this page with them on FB.

Patchman
10-21-2012, 14:07
As a parent, I can understand how her parents would be right now! And of course, anything bad could have happened. BUT, my experience is, by Sunday night, they'll hear from her.

Your post says she was last heard from "yesterday." Which meant either Saturday (10/20/12) or more likely Friday. Most likely she took off with her friends/school mates and is OK but afraid to call home because she knows she's in trouble.

Anyway, I know this is no consolation to the parents until they actually have her in hand. Keep us posted.

jakebrake
10-21-2012, 15:43
anything?

Nickotym
10-22-2012, 12:27
Doesn't look like there is any news on her yet.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57537276-504083/autumn-pasquale-missing-authorities-searching-for-12-year-old-new-jersey-girl/

Patchman
10-22-2012, 12:32
Anything?

eruby
10-22-2012, 13:09
$10,000 reward being offered.

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2012/10/missing_autumn_pasquale_10000.html

janice6
10-22-2012, 13:11
Damn. God Bless......

Glock!9
10-22-2012, 13:25
This is sad...:(

ColdSteelNail
10-22-2012, 14:48
I hope this somehow ends well. I am really fed up with sickos and pervs kidnapping and killing children. I'm becoming more and more in favor of cruel and unusual punishment.

Chuche2
10-22-2012, 15:34
Prayers sent for her safe return.

faawrenchbndr
10-22-2012, 15:38
Thoughts & prayers for the Girl & the family.

M&P Shooter
10-22-2012, 16:47
Nothing yet:crying:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/Missing.jpg

Gallium
10-22-2012, 17:25
There are a host of LE agencies and regular folks looking for this young girl. I fear the worst, but hope for the best.

As a parent,...words fail me. I hope she is alive, and ok.

Sgt127
10-22-2012, 23:08
I can only assume someone is doing a forensic search of her computer and phone records. I HOPE she simply met up with some idiot on the internet who is close to her age. I know its scary to hope for that, but, the alternative is very frightening.

Beeman
10-23-2012, 00:54
They just reported on the news that they believe they have found her body in a trash container. :crying:I hope the monster that did this dies.

Naelbis
10-23-2012, 03:18
I am so sorry it turned out this way. :crying:Justice will be done, it this life or the next...:steamed:

Gallium
10-23-2012, 03:42
I am so sorry it turned out this way. :crying:Justice will be done, it this life or the next...:steamed:


There is no "justice" for the parent, or parents of a child killed at the hand of others. Their only consolation if such a perpetrator is caught, is that he or she is rendered incapable of inflicting that horror on some other person.

Those who are parents know how hard it is to bring a fetus to term, the sleepless nights with the sick child, agonizing over decisions you make, cutting them loose for the 1st time, watching them grow and develop, seeing them flourish.

I'd be very mightily angry if someone attempted to, or succeeded in luring my child away and exposed them to harm and/or death.

...not sure WTF is going on in NJ these past few weeks with the spate of attempted abductions.

NeverMore1701
10-23-2012, 03:48
Well, ****. Prayers for the family.

Lone_Wolfe
10-23-2012, 04:09
Damn. Just damn. :crying:

cowboywannabe
10-23-2012, 04:16
god damn it.....................

HOTHEAD
10-23-2012, 04:39
Prayers for the family, I can not imagine.

Patchman
10-23-2012, 05:15
Tragic.

G17Jake
10-23-2012, 06:32
My deepest sympathies go out to the family of this girl.

I hope who ever did this is caught before this happens again.

How someone can hold so little value for life is beyond me.

deputy tom
10-23-2012, 09:30
Prayers sent for the family. tom.

kensb2
10-23-2012, 09:45
Saddened to hear this turned out the way it did. I'd freak if it happened to my 12 y/o.

Bilbo Bagins
10-23-2012, 09:46
They just reported on the news that they believe they have found her body in a trash container. :crying:I hope the monster that did this dies.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/10/23/body-found-in-clayton-nj-believed-to-be-missing-12-year-old-autumn-pasquale/

I'm less than a half hour away from there in PA with a daughter that is around the same age. Spooky stuff, I hope the catch the guy quick.

hpracing007
10-23-2012, 09:49
:sadangel: That is heartbreaking news.

series1811
10-23-2012, 10:07
I have a 13 year old daughter myself. So sad.

There really is such a thing as monsters, and they walk among us.

wjv
10-23-2012, 11:49
I have two daughters (13 & 9) and stuff like this scare the **** out of me. . :sad:

I hope they catch the ************. Can't post what I wish would happen to him, but it involves fire ants, sharp razors and a very hot and isolated desert location. . .

Glock!9
10-23-2012, 12:40
I have 2 daughters, 9 and 10...

The police cannot protect us or our children, we have to and sometimes we cant either. May she RIP and may the perp die..

M&P Shooter
10-23-2012, 13:37
:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:
http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2012/10/police_body_of_autumn_pasquale.html?fb_action_ids=377289965688261&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=s%3DshowShareBarUI%3Ap%3Dfacebook-like&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

Glock!9
10-23-2012, 14:24
Two teenage brothers were arrested and believed to be the killers. It seems there was no sexual assault, they just wanted her bike....

The Fist Of Goodness
10-23-2012, 14:24
They are questioning two teenage boys in her murder. They lived in the house next door to the house where they found her body, and recovered her bike and some other items from their house.

M&P Shooter
10-23-2012, 14:33
This photo made my eyes swell up and tear pretty bad:crying:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/RIP-1.jpg

railfancwb
10-23-2012, 14:46
Two teenage brothers were arrested and believed to be the killers. It seems there was no sexual assault, they just wanted her bike....

Would they look like Obama's son if he had a son?


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Glock!9
10-23-2012, 14:56
Would they look like Obama's son if he had a son?


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I do not find that an appropriate comment personally. I do not care what they look like, they are monsters who need to be put down.

happy seal
10-23-2012, 14:58
For a bicycle, wow just unreal. How can I let my 11 and 9 yo old kids out of the house without watching them?

I'm so sorry M&P and prayers sent.

M&P Shooter
10-23-2012, 14:58
2 brothers charged with murder. They murdered her for a F'ing bike:steamed::steamed::steamed::steamed::steamed:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20121023/US.Missing.NJ.Girl/

wjv
10-23-2012, 15:10
They are 16 so I'm sure the defense will try and have them tried as juveniles. :steamed:

Gallium
10-23-2012, 15:19
I am so ****ing angry I could spit. I don't care what the background of those degenerates are, execution should be an option on the table. Nothing will bring back the lass to her family, but those thieves should not be allowed a space in humanity.

M&P Shooter
10-23-2012, 15:20
I am so ****ing angry I could spit. I don't care what the background of those degenerates are, execution should be an option on the table. Nothing will bring back the lass to her family, but those thieves should not be allowed a space in humanity.
If I was the father I could never watch them walk the streets again, even if it was 30 years from now:whistling:

Glock!9
10-23-2012, 15:20
I am so ****ing angry I could spit. I don't care what the background of those degenerates are, execution should be an option on the table. Nothing will bring back the lass to her family, but those thieves should not be allowed a space in humanity.

They will get juvi and be out at 18....:steamed::steamed::steamed:

jakebrake
10-23-2012, 15:24
They will get juvi and be out at 18....:steamed::steamed::steamed:

i'm beting they will be tried as adults...GOOD!

over a ******* b.m.x. bike? sweet ****, seriously?

where is the gibbet when we need it?

Gallium
10-23-2012, 15:25
They will get juvi and be out at 18....:steamed::steamed::steamed:

I hope and hope and hope and hope you are wrong, because if you are right, I expect SOMEBODY's brakes to fail if they got out at 18.

Insane it is, the world.

TheExplorer
10-23-2012, 15:31
Makes me sick. There is such pure evil out there.

Glock!9
10-23-2012, 15:33
They may be charged as adults and should be but it is NJ...

deputy tom
10-23-2012, 15:37
I'd really like to post what I am feeling right now but it wouldn't be propper. tom.:steamed:

Gallium
10-23-2012, 16:02
I am specifically relieved that the mother of these two land slugs did the right thing by telling the authorities what she suspected, or knew.


Deputy Tom, no worries, I suspect many of us feel the same way. I pray for the strength of that family.

4949shooter
10-23-2012, 16:05
Animals. :steamed::steamed:

M&P Shooter
10-23-2012, 16:34
Not even God could help these 2 maggots if punishment was up to me:steamed: I would make it last for a week and their pleas for mercy would only anger me more:steamed:

NeverMore1701
10-23-2012, 16:37
All the torture talk is great, but I think two .22 solids would work just fine.

janice6
10-23-2012, 16:40
A life for some crappy bike parts...How can this be.....How can anyone be so cold....

How can anyone be so monstorous......No punishment is too great for taking these parents child away.

GlockinNJ
10-23-2012, 16:44
Just reading this thread now. I am shocked at the senselessness of this crime. Shocked and very angry. I'm also scared since I have a 14 year old daughter and live in NJ.

My prayers go out to the family though they are of no consolation for such a terrible loss.

There is no punishment that can truly serve justice IMO. It's just so senseless. Where were the parents/guardians of the boys? I want to hear what they have to say.

I hope these criminals rot in prison for the rest of their lives, die, then rot in hell.

Gallium
10-23-2012, 17:46
..

There is no punishment that can truly serve justice IMO. It's just so senseless. Where were the parents/guardians of the boys?... .


I agree with your exact sentiment. All of us parents tend to share this same perspective. If my kid went out, and acted the fool (theft, assault, flagrant violation of the law) they deserve much of what comes their way.

But, if someone takes my child away from me in a deliberate, pre-meditated, un-accidental sort of way, there really is nothing under the sun and on earth that is going to make me feel as is COMPLETE JUSTICE has been served.

Would I want those perpetrators caught? Yes. Would I want them dead? Without any reservations or hesitations, yes. I would want them permanently separated from society if they intentionally inflicted harm and death on your offspring.

15, 17, 14 - I don't care, they knew well enough that their actions would have severe consequences. If they were, or are mentally retarded...I would simply have to treat them as how we treat what we consider lower life forms. What do we do to animals that kill humans? We put them down with swift dispatch.

Again, I applaud their mother for doing what society demands and expects, but is rarely followed thru with. Thankfully those parents (and begorrah no parent should bury their offspring) will at least have the ability to say goodbye to their child in a dignified way, not wondering where she was while her remains sat desecrated in a garbage dump.

Damn them. That behavior is intolerable.

Glocksanity
10-23-2012, 17:53
Absolutely heart breaking.

They better be locked away for life with no parole.

elliotb33
10-23-2012, 18:10
For bike parts? Really????
Those brothers are dumb. dump the body next door? Yea your smart.
Anyway they should get the injection for this.

The Fist Of Goodness
10-23-2012, 18:46
For bike parts? Really????
Those brothers are dumb. dump the body next door? Yea your smart.
Anyway they should get the injection for this.

I think they lured her in with the promise of bike parts, but I suspect that their motive may have been something else.

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elliotb33
10-23-2012, 18:48
I think they lured her in with the promise of bike parts, but I suspect that their motive may have been something else.

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Ooooo makes more sense.

el_jewapo
10-23-2012, 19:16
I've been thinking about this since this thread was posted. I'm sorry it ended this way. It's hard to find a bright side to something like this, but if there is one, I suppose it's that her body was found so quick and the parents can begin the healing process, rather than being strung along for years not knowing.

Tragic.

ICARRY2
10-23-2012, 19:21
Thats horrible! So sorry for the family. :(

Calico Jack
10-23-2012, 19:28
I attempted to post in this thread earlier today when I read the tragic news on Fox, but I was truly speechless. It disgusts me to think about what happened to this poor child. Why... just why?

M&P Shooter
10-23-2012, 19:51
Here's the 2 little MF'ers that did it:steamed:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/POS.jpg

hpracing007
10-23-2012, 20:05
:steamed: :steamed::steamed::steamed::steamed:
Get 2 ropes!!! Pieces of ****!

Calico Jack
10-23-2012, 20:13
Honestly, we are an immoral and unjust society if we do not carry out the death penalty on those responsible for this heinous crime.

NeverMore1701
10-23-2012, 20:13
Here's the 2 little MF'ers that did it:steamed:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/POS.jpg

Cue cries of racism.

frank4570
10-23-2012, 20:16
If there was a hanging mob, I would be part of it.

So very sorry for the family's loss.

Glock!9
10-23-2012, 20:20
From what I have read, there were no signs of sexual assault or torture at least.
They actually just wanted her bike parts...

frank4570
10-23-2012, 20:28
From what I have read, there were no signs of sexual assault or torture at least.
They actually just wanted her bike parts...

Yep. And for that they should just be hanged, and spared the whole pliers and torch thing.

*ASH*
10-23-2012, 20:32
unfortunately in todays time , you cant let your kids act like when we were kids . sure when i was a kid the same amount of killings were there , just never had internet to hear bout them . but you cant let them go off on their own .


real sad

railfancwb
10-23-2012, 21:13
Here's the 2 little MF'ers that did it:steamed:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/POS.jpg

Yep. If Obama had sons...


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The Fist Of Goodness
10-23-2012, 22:20
From what I have read, there were no signs of sexual assault or torture at least.
They actually just wanted her bike parts...


The absence of signs of sexual assault just means they didn't sexually assault her. It also doesn't mean she was killed for bike parts. There is a lot of room between those two motives. It is possible that she objected to their intentions, resisted (from what I have read, she was an athlete and Tom Boy), and got strangled for it. She was a pretty young blonde teen girl, and they were 15 and 17 year old boys.

I could, of course, be wrong. Either way, they should ride the lightning.

jp3975
10-23-2012, 22:29
The absence of signs of sexual assault just means they didn't sexually assault her. It also doesn't mean she was killed for bike parts. There is a lot of room between those two motives. It is possible that she objected to their intentions, resisted (from what I have read, she was an athlete and Tom Boy), and got strangled for it. She was a pretty young blonde teen girl, and they were 15 and 17 year old boys.

I could, of course, be wrong. Either way, they should ride the lightning.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Bike parts where the reason to get her in the house.

Intention was rape. She resisted. They killed her, then freaked out and tried to get rid of the evidence.

Hawaiiglock
10-24-2012, 02:13
So sad, prayers sent out to her family.


Does anyone know what these two pieces of fecal matter posted on Facebook? The article makes it sound like it was something heavily incriminating but didn't say what was posted.

diamondd2
10-24-2012, 04:26
They should be hanged in the town square for everyone to see.

The knot should be tied so they are strangled. A slow and painful death is what the deserve.

skeeter7
10-24-2012, 04:38
So sad, prayers sent out to her family.


Does anyone know what these two pieces of fecal matter posted on Facebook? The article makes it sound like it was something heavily incriminating but didn't say what was posted.


Here is a link I found that more info on the murderers and supposedly contains links to their Facebook pages but I couldn't check as Facebook is blocked here at work.

http://showbizdaily.net/scandals/dante-and-justin-robinson-teen-boys-who-killed-autumn-pasquale/

skeeter7
10-24-2012, 04:43
Such a sad story. I feel so bad that this innocent beautiful girl's young life was cut short by these two little monsters who will never stand a chance if they ever get out. My heart goes out to the Pasquale family. :crying:

GlockinNJ
10-24-2012, 04:47
Cue cries of racism.

Not from me. Evil comes in all colors. Hang 'em.

Fred Hansen
10-24-2012, 05:03
Has Captain Zero determined what video caused these scumbags to murder this girl?

Anyone who thinks this happened over a bike is ****ing delusional.

mgs
10-24-2012, 05:36
I would personally hang each one in public like a pinata and sell tickets. All proceeds would go towards more hangings when needed. Seems harsh but a message needs sent. I don't think these two could ever be released from custody because they will be killed....that may be a good result also.

mgs
10-24-2012, 05:37
They will get juvi and be out at 18....:steamed::steamed::steamed:

And then dead by the hands of one of us.

SC Tiger
10-24-2012, 06:39
Saw this on the news (Foxnews.com I think) and was wondering if it was the same little girl. That is just awful.

Not gonna say what I would do to the ones who did this - it would violate GT TOS at the very least.

Deployment Solu
10-24-2012, 06:47
Wish I could say I was surprised. Worst part is, we probably have paid for every part of their life. Welfare and free stuff mostly allows scum to breed and feed AND they have no value for human life because THEY have no value. We need to eliminate feed and breed programs and start making people pay for themselves. Remember that on Election Day!!

Here's the 2 little MF'ers that did it:steamed:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/POS.jpg

kensb2
10-24-2012, 06:56
As much as I hate to say this, I do believe that there is another bright spot. The fact that it was these 2 brothers, and not some adult predator, is a good thing. I'd assume this is their first murder, while an adult predator could have a long list trailing behind them. As far as their punishment, I believe that I agree with the majority of the already voiced sentiments here.

Bilbo Bagins
10-24-2012, 07:13
I'm still scratching my head with this.

Teens Murdering a Girl for Bike Parts??

Even for hood rats that is pretty cold and evil

M&P Shooter
10-24-2012, 07:23
I'm still scratching my head with this.

Teens Murdering a Girl for Bike Parts??

Even for hood rats that is pretty cold and evil
New breed of street trash and this is why my choice of carry is a 45acp:steamed:

ysr_racer
10-24-2012, 07:45
What the **** is wrong with some people?

Carrys
10-24-2012, 08:17
I am specifically relieved that the mother of these two land slugs did the right thing by telling the authorities what she suspected, or knew.




To me, that means they have even less an excuse than before. If they were raised by a mother who knows right from wrong.....as it seems she does by her actions, they have NO excuse. It's the "no responsibility"....."no effects from any personal action"......"no punishment" society we've become (at their behest).


Cue cries of racism.

Typical leftist belief......if we call it racism.... no one will be allowed to talk about it. And if they can't talk about it, they'll forget we caused it with what we've done over the years and everyone will foprget about it. Nice trick, eh?:embarassed:

Yes sir, we can box 'em in quite well with that one.:rofl:



'Cept'in......all decent thinking people have gotten used to that, now that it's been played out for decades. Guess you'll have to try again, eh?:wavey:




What the **** is wrong with some people?

Take a look at how things were handled a hundred years ago.....then look at how things have changed in the last few decades or so.....look at what has been labeled offensive, too mean, and too scary for decent people.......all because some folks want to believe they're more "civilized" than they actually are.

Yes, before they all chime in, there were some nasty things back then......but to my way of thinking, they could have done away with them without causing all the mess they have. Trouble is...........they don't know how, they think all this terrible awful mess is normal. The knotheads.




my 2 cents

series1811
10-24-2012, 08:48
New breed of street trash and this is why my choice of carry is a 45acp:steamed:

Twenty five years ago, sociologists and criminal justice experts, were predicting that our new moral standards, and a new generation of essentially parentless children, wth no responsblbe adults taking responsibility for teaching them the basic social mores, were going to produce lots of young "super predators" and they were lambasted by liberals.

Unfortunately, the sociologists and criminal justice experts were right.

eruby
10-24-2012, 09:20
I'm still scratching my head with this.

Teens Murdering a Girl for Bike Parts??

Even for hood rats that is pretty cold and evilIn New jersey, like many places, life is cheap. :steamed:

I know what I would do if I were a relative of Autumn.

In Pace Requiescat dear girl.

Bren
10-24-2012, 09:32
Twenty five years ago, sociologists and criminal justice experts, were predicting that our new moral standards, and a new generation of essentially parentless children, wth no responsblbe adults taking responsibility for teaching them the basic social mores, were going to produce lots of young "super predators" and they were lambasted by liberals.

Unfortunately, the sociologists and criminal justice experts were right.

The liberals would blame it on weapons...even weapons these scumbags didn't use. Another pic with names.
http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/wpvi/cms_exf_2007/news/local/8857579_600x338.jpg

Carrys
10-24-2012, 09:40
Twenty five years ago, sociologists and criminal justice experts, were predicting that our new moral standards, and a new generation of essentially parentless children, wth no responsblbe adults taking responsibility for teaching them the basic social mores, were going to produce lots of young "super predators" and they were lambasted by liberals.

Unfortunately, the sociologists and criminal justice experts were right.


Yep, and just who destroyed the lower income family with their "Great Society"?

Seebelow.



The liberals would blame it on weapons...even weapons these scumbags didn't use.



No, no no, my friend......................by their plans, these guys are the weapons.

SC Tiger
10-24-2012, 09:43
What the **** is wrong with some people?

In some cases it is a lack of ventelation of the cranium. The only cure is to add the appropriate ventelation with the appropriate mix of lead and copper at high velocity.

BobInTX
10-24-2012, 09:44
This sounds eerily like this case http://www.reporternews.com/news/2011/mar/16/dunn-searches-are-not-called-off/

This young lady has been missing almost 2 years.

ChuteTheMall
10-24-2012, 10:25
Teach your children how to profile, because the schools won't.

ChuteTheMall
10-24-2012, 10:27
Here's the 2 little MF'ers that did it:steamed:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/POS.jpg

I don't believe they grabbed her and killed her just for her bike parts.

M&P15T
10-24-2012, 10:30
I am wondering what the real reason those two had for killing her.

Perhaps it will come out in the media relatively soon, perhaps that information will not be known until the trial. No way they killed her for her bike, something else was going on.

OctoberRust
10-24-2012, 11:24
Here's the 2 little MF'ers that did it:steamed:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/POS.jpg

I was shocked. I saw this crap on the front page of fox news, and remembered you making a thread about this M&P.


And if Obama had a son, I'm sure they'd look just like these two.

tantrix
10-24-2012, 11:31
Hey, whoa now...go easy on them or you'll be called a racist then get the thread locked. Remember, this is GT. :whistling:


Here's the 2 little MF'ers that did it:steamed:
http://i852.photobucket.com/albums/ab89/Glock40guy/POS.jpg

eruby
10-24-2012, 11:36
I am wondering what the real reason those two had for killing her.

Perhaps it will come out in the media relatively soon, perhaps that information will not be known until the trial. No way they killed her for her bike, something else was going on.Animals, regardless of color, often need no reason to kill.

And rabid animals, regardless of color, need to be put down.

Gallium
10-24-2012, 11:50
I'm still scratching my head with this.

Teens Murdering a Girl for Bike Parts??

Even for hood rats that is pretty cold and evil


No. The news has been updated to say she was LURED there on the promise of getting bike parts. If a 17yr old male is involved, it's either sex, beef (revenge), or drugs...and very little else. The 15yr old? More sex and beef than drugs, but ya never know.

- G

Gallium
10-24-2012, 11:55
To me, that means they have even less an excuse than before. If they were raised by a mother who knows right from wrong.....as it seems she does by her actions, they have NO excuse. It's the "no responsibility"....."no effects from any personal action"......"no punishment" society we've become (at their behest).
...


As is often the case, I don't know what statement you are trying to make.

The statement I made, and am standing by is; her actions are head and shoulders over the other idiot mothers who more often than not claim their criminal animals are innocent. I commend her for doing in that instance, the right thing. History and statistics clearly underscore that her actions are an aberration, not the norm in these types of circumstances. In addition, she became aware of what was going on because she saw something odd on one of their facebook pages.

Yes, they are off the rails and into the woods (should be UNDER the woods), but speaking from the perspective of a parent, I would much rather have a body to pay last respects to than always wondering, not knowing.


- G

Osborne
10-24-2012, 11:56
Pray that they get charged as adults...

mike from st pe
10-24-2012, 12:08
http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/wpvi/cms_exf_2007/news/local/8857579_335x188.jpg


The murder suspects:steamed:

HollowHead
10-24-2012, 14:01
This case is frighteningly similar to this one that had Long Island in its grip: I remember it well because I was an alternate on the jury for the one brother...and we always suspected the other brother from the start. HH

Do you know anything about the Kelly Tinyes murder? Others were involved, do you know who?

4949shooter
10-24-2012, 15:50
I am wondering what the real reason those two had for killing her.

Perhaps it will come out in the media relatively soon, perhaps that information will not be known until the trial. No way they killed her for her bike, something else was going on.

My thought as well. They could have just taken the bike.

Gman106
10-24-2012, 17:02
As much as I hate to say this, I do believe that there is another bright spot. The fact that it was these 2 brothers, and not some adult predator, is a good thing. I'd assume this is their first murder, while an adult predator could have a long list trailing behind them. As far as their punishment, I believe that I agree with the majority of the already voiced sentiments here.

I think just the opposite. If tried as juveniles, these two evil miscreants are 100% likely to be released some day. Hell, it's New Jersey...they stand almost as good a chance for eventual release even if tried as adults.

series1811
10-25-2012, 07:12
I think just the opposite. If tried as juveniles, these two evil miscreants are 100% likely to be released some day. Hell, it's New Jersey...they stand almost as good a chance for eventual release even if tried as adults.

The day they let these two out of jail, for what ever reason, will be the day the clock starts ticking for some innocent person, who turns out to be their next victim.

Gallium
10-25-2012, 07:22
The day they let these two out of jail, for what ever reason, will be the day the clock starts ticking for some innocent person, who turns out to be their next victim.


I sincerely hope when you say their next "victim", you mean the person who is going to spend 5 years in jail for some plead out manslaughter for blasting them away (mistook them for some sort of feral wild animal, I swear) with a shotgun.


Otherwise, they have already used up 100x the grace, benevolence and forgiveness any society has to offer. They are young men - literally still kids, but were old enough to have a clear sense of right/wrong, by at least 10 years, and she was yet younger still. I hope they get introduced to continuous beatings and forcible anal exams by other inmates in the pen.

series1811
10-25-2012, 07:30
I sincerely hope when you say their next "victim", you mean the person who is going to spend 5 years in jail for some plead out manslaughter for blasting them away (mistook them for some sort of feral wild animal, I swear) with a shotgun.



If they are ever released, only a case of bad victim selection like that will make it have a happy ending.

mgs
10-25-2012, 07:36
http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/images/wpvi/cms_exf_2007/news/local/8857579_335x188.jpg


The murder suspects:steamed:

Cute school pictures to make them look innocent.....I believe the other posted thug pics!

.264 magnum
10-25-2012, 07:43
Man this is just terrible - a beautiful young life quashed for no reason. I cannot imaging what the parents of Autumn are going through. Maybe time will bring them some measure of relief from this devastating event.

______________


It is my fervent wish that the perps, assuming actual guilt and conviction, rot in jail for many decades.


ETA - NJ does not have a the death penalty - correct?

GlockinNJ
10-25-2012, 09:08
I know what I would do if I were a relative of Autumn.



If these kids spend a few months in juvie then get released, I would be compelled to administer some street justice if I were a relative of Autumn.

I'm not condoning vigilantism per se, just saying how I would feel if I were in that situation.

GlockinNJ
10-25-2012, 09:12
Autumn chatted on FB with her killer a few days before she was killed...

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/10/facebook_conversation_between.html

M&P Shooter
10-25-2012, 16:21
Teach your children how to profile, because the schools won't.
Very good advice in these times!

M&P Shooter
10-25-2012, 16:26
MTV has ruined so many young kids over the years. Just the Jersey Shore alone has taught young girls it's OK to be drunk, bisexual, have as many sex partners that want you and dressing like a whore is cool. MTV has run shows on everything I have taught my daughters is bad, dangerous and immoral:crying:

*ASH*
10-25-2012, 18:19
MTV has ruined so many young kids over the years. Just the Jersey Shore alone has taught young girls it's OK to be drunk, bisexual, have as many sex partners that want you and dressing like a whore is cool. MTV has run shows on everything I have taught my daughters is bad, dangerous and immoral:crying:

i think it has to do with bad parenting and parents who do not talk or spend time with their kids .

NeverMore1701
10-25-2012, 18:21
MTV has ruined so many young kids over the years. Just the Jersey Shore alone has taught young girls it's OK to be drunk, bisexual, have as many sex partners that want you and dressing like a whore is cool. MTV has run shows on everything I have taught my daughters is bad, dangerous and immoral:crying:

So? Don't let them watch it.

tantrix
10-25-2012, 18:52
MTV has ruined so many young kids over the years. Just the Jersey Shore alone has taught young girls it's OK to be drunk, bisexual, have as many sex partners that want you and dressing like a whore is cool. MTV has run shows on everything I have taught my daughters is bad, dangerous and immoral:crying:

And if your daughters end up being drunks, bisexuals, or whores...it's your fault, not MTV's. I have a daughter myself, and I'm not scared of MTV 'ruining' her.

Gallium
10-25-2012, 19:16
And if your daughters end up being drunks, bisexuals, or whores...it's your fault, not MTV's. I have a daughter myself, and I'm not scared of MTV 'ruining' her.


I hate to derail the thread further...but I am curious, what's wrong with being a prostitute? Every couple of years (including this year) we churn up hundreds of millions of dollars to have them play musical chairs in Washington DC.

My kids are off from public schools November 6th, due to prostitution. What is your beef here?

tantrix
10-25-2012, 19:47
I hate to derail the thread further...but I am curious, what's wrong with being a prostitute? Every couple of years (including this year) we churn up hundreds of millions of dollars to have them play musical chairs in Washington DC.

My kids are off from public schools November 6th, due to prostitution. What is your beef here?

:rofl: :rofl:

dhoomonyou
10-26-2012, 15:19
RIP

May your killers BURN.

devildog2067
10-26-2012, 15:38
Twenty five years ago, sociologists and criminal justice experts, were predicting that our new moral standards, and a new generation of essentially parentless children, wth no responsblbe adults taking responsibility for teaching them the basic social mores, were going to produce lots of young "super predators" and they were lambasted by liberals.

Unfortunately, the sociologists and criminal justice experts were right.

25 years ago was 1987.

Eric Smith (then 13 years old) murdered and sodomized a four-year old in 1980.

Jesse Pomeroy tortured and murdered a bunch of young girls a hundred years earlier, when he was 14.

A quick flip through history shows that young people murdering for no reason at all has happened since the beginning of time.

Annoyedgrunt
10-26-2012, 15:42
25 years ago was 1987.

Eric Smith (then 13 years old) murdered and sodomized a four-year old in 1980.

Jesse Pomeroy tortured and murdered a bunch of young girls a hundred years earlier, when he was 14.

A quick flip through history shows that young people murdering for no reason at all has happened since the beginning of time.

[purposely obtuse voice] You mean it ISN'T video games, rap music, MTV and not going to church???

devildog2067
10-26-2012, 15:45
[purposely obtuse voice] You mean it ISN'T video games, rap music, MTV and not going to church???

Before that it was comic books and rock music, remember?

People have been the same since there have been people. Some people are good, some people are bad. Most people will do what they can get away with.

Yes, I think it's very important to teach kids a strong moral foundation. We don't do a good enough job of it today.

tantrix
10-26-2012, 15:46
25 years ago was 1987.

Eric Smith (then 13 years old) murdered and sodomized a four-year old in 1980.

Jesse Pomeroy tortured and murdered a bunch of young girls a hundred years earlier, when he was 14.

A quick flip through history shows that young people murdering for no reason at all has happened since the beginning of time.

Yeah, but for some reason people think things were "different" years ago. Murder, prostitution, drugs...all of it has been around since the beginning of mankind. The media and fear-mongering is the only thing that's changed.