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Averageman
10-21-2012, 16:06
I've been a fan of these since the 60's when Connery had the role and alway thought he was the only James Bond and now?
I think Daniel Craig may be comming close to beating him.

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NeverMore1701
10-21-2012, 16:11
I'll see it, though cautiously, after the flaming turd that Quantum of Solace was.

Averageman
10-21-2012, 16:21
I didnt like Quantim of Solice until I watched it and Casino Royal back to back.
It seems like one very long movie that was badly cut.

TreyG-20
10-21-2012, 16:25
I loved casino royale but quantum of solice was a flop. Ill watch this one too because I love most all the 007 films.

cgwahl
10-21-2012, 16:29
Didn't like Quantum that much...nowhere near as good as Casino Royale. May have to try it back to back though to see if my opinion changes. And it might be one of those movies that is good a second or third viewing.

Having said all that, I thought the opening car chase to Quantum was very well done. Just a shame it went downhill from there.


This one however looks like it should be good.

Nicky D
10-21-2012, 17:55
No one is better than Sir Connery. With that being said, I actually was quite surprised at how well Craig performed. I am looking forward to seeing the latest Bond movie.

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tarpleyg
10-21-2012, 18:17
I heard he was (or comes close to) making out with Javier Bardem. Can anyone confirm or deny? James Bond only kills men, he does not get on his ghey with them.

frank4570
10-21-2012, 18:21
They are different. Connery is a caviler, charming smart ass who always gets the girl.
Craig is much more all business, ruthlessly kill the badguys. Darker.

I like both of them.

Angry Fist
10-21-2012, 18:25
I think Pierce Brosnan was the coolest James Bond.

Dennis in MA
10-21-2012, 19:08
I think Pierce Brosnan was the coolest James Bond.

I thought he would be, then was unimpressed. :(

Craig is pretty good. I'll pay to see Skyfall.

bigchuck83
10-21-2012, 19:54
I think Daniel Craig is a great choice to play the role of 007, seems to show more of a cold, darker side to Bond.

Spiffums
10-21-2012, 19:54
No..................

seed
10-21-2012, 19:57
Yes......

If you don't think so, you should read the books.

TheExplorer
10-21-2012, 19:59
Craig just doesn't seem bond-like to me. He just seems to have a big ego.

glock_19guy1983
10-21-2012, 20:02
I like Connery the best, but Daniel Craig is awesome. Brosnan was good too, but I always thought Liam Neeson would have made a better bond in that era.

Cmacc
10-21-2012, 20:08
I think Pierce Brosnan was the coolest James Bond.

Your pulling our leg right.....please tell us your pulling our leg.

TheExplorer
10-21-2012, 20:14
but I always thought Liam Neeson would have made a better bond in that era.

Hmm...I think so too.

UtahIrishman
10-21-2012, 20:17
I've always like Connery but Craig actually is closer to the character that Ian Fleming wrote.

Pierce Brosnan was way too elegant.

WarCry
10-21-2012, 20:18
Yes......

If you don't think so, you should read the books.

This is the part that people seem to forget. Sean Connery was not the first Bond. Ian Fleming's Bond was not some "roguishly handsome ladies' man."

From the novel "Moonraker":
"certainly good-looking ... Rather like Hoagy Carmichael in a way. [...] But there was something a bit cruel in the mouth, and the eyes were cold."

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Fleming007impression.jpg

Craig comes closer than any of the actors to date, in my opinion, to Fleming's concept of the character.

50 Cent
10-21-2012, 20:45
I loved casino royale but quantum of solice was a flop. Ill watch this one too because I love most all the 007 films.

CR was great - consensus seems to be QoS (except for the opening car chase lol) sucked.

But all the critics with access to Skyfall think its awesome. With Craig and Bardem (who seems to be MADE to play bad guys of a particularly lethal disposition) I'm optimistic.

Looks like Bond has gone to Bulgy Mak for his sidearm: :rofl:

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m145/The_Shootist/Public%20Pix/Bond2.jpg

Works for me - I own one.

Bushflyr
10-21-2012, 21:08
I heard Heiniken paid them off. Bond without martinis =/ Bond. :crying:

Angry Fist
10-21-2012, 21:31
Your pulling our leg right.....please tell us your pulling our leg.
No... Craig is a d-bag. I realize everyday how much my opinion don't matter. Billions are still breathing.

Kevin108
10-21-2012, 21:41
I always thought Liam Neeson would have made a better bond in that era.

He was still doing cheesy **** like Darkman then. :wavey:

glock_19guy1983
10-21-2012, 21:46
He was still doing cheesy **** like Darkman then. :wavey:

Rob Roy was made in 1995 and he was good in it. Crappy fencer, but still a cool movie.

The Maggy
10-21-2012, 21:58
Connery is a classic but I have to take Craig as the better.

Looking at Connery's character; he was more of a playboy, less of a government backed killer. Craig plays a more cold, calculated James Bond. I like it.

JuneyBooney
10-22-2012, 04:16
Bond movies are pretty good.

Bren
10-22-2012, 04:52
Craig is very good, but it's more the fact that they are making much better movies with him and they have made Bond an "action" hero for real.

Dennis in MA
10-22-2012, 07:12
I like Connery the best, but Daniel Craig is awesome. Brosnan was good too, but I always thought Liam Neeson would have made a better bond in that era.

Oooh. I had never thought of him. But heck, I didn't see LN as an action star until Taken. I actually LOL'd when I saw the preview to that one.

I've always like Connery but Craig actually is closer to the character that Ian Fleming wrote.

Pierce Brosnan was way too elegant.

Brosnan was too elegant but at least not limpwristed like Roger Moore.

M&P15T
10-22-2012, 07:23
It's about what you expect for a Bond.

Craig is the best Bond, based on my imgaination of how a person tasked with such a job would actually act, what type of person they'd actually be. Plus, Craig brings a whole new level of physicality to the role. He's in wicked shape, fast as hell, and it shows in the movies. Since I would imagine that a Bond should be an ex-SAS assaulter, Craig does Bond correct for me.

Bilbo Bagins
10-22-2012, 07:51
Its funny because I liked Casino Royale when it first came out, but I never got around to seeing Q of S until 3 weeks ago on TBS and I though I was missing something. I got bored of the movie halfway thru and turned it off. I guess it wasn't just me.


I like Daniel Craig as an actor but I really hope they don't fall into the trap of over modernizing James Bond in Skyfall. Q of S had way too much "low talking" scenes and the fight scenes did too much of the "Bourne" let's shake the camera to make it more exciting crap.

I still like the exotic locales and interesting stories with twist and turns, but what Q of S overdid that. Bond movies still needs action, hot chics, and gadgets.

El_Ron1
10-22-2012, 07:59
Face it, in the year 2012 of our Lord Obama, Bond has become a sissy.

wjv
10-22-2012, 08:05
I liked Timothy Dalton, but thought his movies had some terrible scripts.

Dennis in MA
10-22-2012, 08:24
Interesting take from Danny Craig himself:

http://collider.com/daniel-craig-quantum-of-solace-script-problems/130951/

Says that the writers strike ruined QoS. I've seen it 3 times and can't explain the plot to you. Exotic girl, double agent babe, something about energy, South America, yawn. How did it relate to CR??? I've long long long since forgotten it. But the CR chippy was also the evil villian in Dark Shadows. Wow. She's a looker.

Hurricanes
10-22-2012, 08:54
I love the James Bond series, and to this day I have yet to see "On Her Majestys Secret Service". Not sure why, but whenever there is a marathon of Bond films, I skip that showing.

For me Connery will always be the best bond. I do like what Craig has brought to the character since as someone stated above, he has that in shape former SAS look. I also like Dalton's Bond since he had this assassin feel to him.
-Joel

CigarandScotch
10-22-2012, 11:57
I love the James Bond series, and to this day I have yet to see "On Her Majestys Secret Service". Not sure why, but whenever there is a marathon of Bond films, I skip that showing.

For me Connery will always be the best bond. I do like what Craig has brought to the character since as someone stated above, he has that in shape former SAS look. I also like Dalton's Bond since he had this assassin feel to him.
-Joel


That pretty much precisely sums up my opinion as well.

bwvan
10-22-2012, 21:26
If you do a little research, I think you'll find that Daniel Craig is very much anti-second-amendment. I just can't get into a hero who's afraid of people owning guns.

LAWDOGKMS
10-22-2012, 22:04
. Connery is a caviler, charming smart ass who always gets the girl.
.

And Craig always gets "the boy":rofl:

686Owner
10-22-2012, 22:40
I'm just not a Bond fan. I never know what's going on in the movies and usually end up falling asleep.

DesertEagle
10-22-2012, 23:06
I'm going to be odd man out here - Connery IS Bond for me, his attitude embodies my mental picture (formed while watching his movies, granted, so definately biased). I Brosnan pulled it off better than I thought at first, but Craig lacks a certain panache to me - maybe he'll grow on me, I'll watch Skyfall, I'm enough of a sucker for the character. But so far, I'm not really feeling the Craig movies.

Bilbo Bagins
10-23-2012, 06:53
I'm going to be odd man out here - Connery IS Bond for me, his attitude embodies my mental picture (formed while watching his movies, granted, so definately biased). I Brosnan pulled it off better than I thought at first, but Craig lacks a certain panache to me - maybe he'll grow on me, I'll watch Skyfall, I'm enough of a sucker for the character. But so far, I'm not really feeling the Craig movies.

Connery is the only character who can pull off that suave yet manly aspect of Bond. Everyone else overdoes the suave part.

The Craig, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, James Bond all walk into the Monte carlo casino, looking dapper and would have long conversation with the ladies.

The Connery Bond would walk into the casino, walk up to a woman and in a charming way say let's go to my room and bang. He would be headed to the elevator with the woman in less than 5 minutes.

While Craig is in shape, Sean Connery in his prime looks like he could fight his way thru a bar fight. All the other Bonds just look too hansome to be fighters.

pesticidal
10-23-2012, 07:32
Connery as 007 had some of the lamest fights scenes ever recorded.

John Rambo
10-23-2012, 07:47
No love for Roger Moore?

jason10mm
10-23-2012, 09:14
I think Timothy Dalton was the best book bond actor, but Connery is certainly the most fun to watch. His delivery and timing was impeccable and the scripts complemented his acting very well. Most of the other Bonds just seem like imitators. Craig, while good, seems very uncomfortable with the suave aspect of the Bond films and sorta rushes through the quips and jokes. He just doesn't look like he ever has any fun.

I'm really really hoping that big blue-ray set is hiding out under the tree for xmas. I love those films.

badge315
10-23-2012, 09:32
Connery as 007 had some of the lamest fights scenes ever recorded.

Can't say that I disagree with that.

No love for Roger Moore?

To hell with Roger Moore...what about George Lazenby? :tongueout:

There have been more actors cast in the role of James Bond than the handful we're all familiar with...

http://www.007james.com/articles/who_played_james_bond.php

MakeMineA10mm
11-04-2012, 10:27
I am very excited to see Skyfall. A pick-me-up after the election, though I'm hoping we get lucky on Tuesday...

I think Craig is the best Bond ever. The photography and production-quality of Craig-era movies is better, but it's been over 50 years since these movies started, so I'm trying to be careful not to let that unfairly influence my call. Craig is more my idea of what an agent would be, EXCEPT for some lack of stealth/smoothness, like checking into the casino's hotel under "James Bond" rather than the cover-name, BUT that's the way Fleming wrote it, so again, not sure Craig should be rewarded or blamed for that either...

As far as his coldness, physicality, and looks (all things which ARE Craig's attributes), he's the most Fleming-esque Bond ever.

Part of the problem with the Bond movie series is that they did not follow the order the books were written in. This caused some continuity problems, and then, complicating the problem more, when this problem was recognized, they tried to "fix" it by changing/re-ordering certain plot elements. Then again, sometimes the plot was "updated" because the antagonist was no longer relavent, because the movie (based on a book from the 50s) being made in the 90s-2000s wasn't "up-to-date" with the fall of the soviet union. (Apparently Eon Productions had never heard of a "prequil" and missed the fact they could save millions in costuming by buying up the then-cheap surplus soviet gear then on the market...)

Blending in the marketing for beverages, cars, suits, etc. is annoying when it isn't true to the series/character/books. I wonder if Glock has thought hard enough about supplanting the Walthers? :)

The last trouble I see with the Bond series is that virtually all of the original Fleming-written material is used up now. There's very little left, and from what I've seen of other writers' attempts (like ALL of the Timothy Dalton ones), Eon Productions needs to get someone better on the job, very quickly...

Overall, rating the Craig-era movies as stand-alone movies, I think they are among the best. I'm excited to go see Skyfall!

CBennett
11-04-2012, 10:54
Yes......

If you don't think so, you should read the books.

^^ if anyone has actually read the books not just watched the movies Craig is the closest to the BOOK Bond character there has been including Connery. Right now i call it a tie. From the books bond is closer to a govt sponsored hitman/assasin than a spy with cool gadgets that the movies make it out to be.

Imo the opening scenes in Casino give you a good idea of the book bond character..when he is getting his first "kills".

glock_19guy1983
11-04-2012, 11:31
While Craig is in shape, Sean Connery in his prime looks like he could fight his way thru a bar fight. All the other Bonds just look too hansome to be fighters.

Connery was in pretty good shape too. He was a body builder in the mid 50s and took 3rd in a Mr. Universe competition. Put both actors in their prime in a fist fight and I believe Connery would have the edge.

Averageman
11-04-2012, 11:37
Connery was in pretty good shape too. He was a body builder in the mid 50s and took 3rd in a Mr. Universe competition. Put both actors in their prime in a fist fight and I believe Connery would have the edge.
No way,....My Bond could beat up your Bond.
The technology of film, the athletisim of some actors leads us to a closer image of what Fleming was looking for.
Clearly Craig.

NH Trucker
11-04-2012, 11:46
If you do a little research, I think you'll find that Daniel Craig is very much anti-second-amendment. I just can't get into a hero who's afraid of people owning guns.




If the majority of gun owners cared at all about the views actors have in regards to the Second Amendment, and based what they watch on that, most wouldn't bother owning a tv.

WarCry
11-04-2012, 11:52
If the majority of gun owners cared at all about the views actors have in regards to the Second Amendment, and based what they watch on that, most wouldn't bother owning a tv.

It's not even guns. If you base your entertainment on any political views of those making it*, you'd likely never be able to look at anything other than a mirror again.




*This does NOT include tripe like Michael Moore and other so-called "documentary" makers like him. Those are just crap from the get-go.

Deanster
11-04-2012, 12:05
Casino Royale was good enough to give Craig a legitimate shot at being the best Bond actor ever.

QoS sucked, but I read later that they were shooting it with an incomplete script due to the big writer's strike that year, and it ended up with the director and actors making up lines on-set, which is obviously going to yield disastrous results. I don't hold that against Craig or even the Bond Franchise - writers apparently matter, it's not just 'putting one letter after another'.

Looking forward to Skyfall - if it's even halfway decent, Craig will have a good shot at taking the place of Connery as Best Bond for me.

50 Cent
11-04-2012, 12:13
Connery as 007 had some of the lamest fights scenes ever recorded.


I kinda thought the train fight in "From Russia With Love" was pretty good.

CBennett
11-04-2012, 12:44
I kinda thought the train fight in "From Russia With Love" was pretty good.

b4 this current bond yes that was pretty good for the time it was made. I think that you can show a lot more these days.