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maxsnafu
10-22-2012, 13:53
*WARNING: Vulgar Language*

http://takimag.com/article/nation_of_leeches_jim_goad/print#axzz2A3ht9Oih

JBnTX
10-22-2012, 14:02
"...government pills and government checks..."


Ain't that the truth!:rofl:

rgregoryb
10-22-2012, 14:06
the truth is always vulgar to many............

countrygun
10-22-2012, 14:16
"Walt Bernard"s comment was unusual in a way,

"Romney's 47% remark referred to the percent of citizens who don't pay income tax, currently an obsession on the kosher right."



"Kosher" right?

Hmmmm.

He probably accidentally chose that word


:whistling:

Chronos
10-22-2012, 14:32
I think the anger is somewhat misdirected. A life completely dependent upon charity is an absolutely pitiable state.

The anger should be directed at the state -- a bunch of sociopaths buying their re-election through extortion, engineered dependency, and ruined lives. Keep in mind that they wouldn't have it any other way, and will be happier when more are utterly dependent, creating more power for themselves.

The state cannot help itself -- when you base an institution on fundamentally immoral principles (theft is legitimate, etc.) and then empower it, guess what happens?

maxsnafu
10-22-2012, 14:56
"Walt Bernard"s comment was unusual in a way,

"Romney's 47% remark referred to the percent of citizens who don't pay income tax, currently an obsession on the kosher right."



"Kosher" right?

Hmmmm.

He probably accidentally chose that word


:whistling:

I think you should take that up with Walt Bernard, not the author of the article.

countrygun
10-22-2012, 15:03
I think you should take that up with Walt Bernard, not the author of the article.

Nah, I like it this way. We often comment on the comments in case you never noticed.

G17Jake
10-22-2012, 16:25
"Walt Bernard"s comment was unusual in a way,

"Romney's 47% remark referred to the percent of citizens who don't pay income tax, currently an obsession on the kosher right."





:whistling:

The 47% are the people who Romney knows will vote Democrat regardless of his message. He was pointing out it doesn't make sense to use up limited resources trying to draw them to the GOP.

It is the left that is obsessing over the 47% comment.

clint curtis
10-22-2012, 17:12
The 47% is referring to the non tax paying portion, of which many were put out of a job due to the low wages paid in China.

The middle class is responsible for those jobs being sent to China.
The billionaires are going to grow jobs in the U.S.A.

Ruble Noon
10-22-2012, 17:17
I think the anger is somewhat misdirected. A life completely dependent upon charity is an absolutely pitiable state.

The anger should be directed at the state -- a bunch of sociopaths buying their re-election through extortion, engineered dependency, and ruined lives. Keep in mind that they wouldn't have it any other way, and will be happier when more are utterly dependent, creating more power for themselves.

The state cannot help itself -- when you base an institution on fundamentally immoral principles (theft is legitimate, etc.) and then empower it, guess what happens?

The state is the pusher

Steppenwolf - The Pusher - YouTube

Snowman92D
10-22-2012, 17:38
Figured I might as well put a plug in for yer boy, since you're on the subject. :whistling:

Ruble Noon
10-22-2012, 17:44
Figured I might as well put a plug in for yer boy, since you're on the subject. :whistling:

:rofl:
I stole your thunder.

beforeobamabans
10-22-2012, 17:59
What a bunch of bull****. I EXPECT the government to uphold it's end of the bargain when I retire in four years. My wife and I have watched funds being confiscated for the past 40 years of our working lives. We have lived within our means. We have put three children through high end college education with zero help from state. We live modestly, pay our bills and our taxes and now are defined as "rich" by our government. I demand to be paid back with the promise of their confiscation. If YOU don't like it, tough ****.

FYPM

certifiedfunds
10-22-2012, 21:28
What a bunch of bull****. I EXPECT the government to uphold it's end of the bargain when I retire in four years. My wife and I have watched funds being confiscated for the past 40 years of our working lives. We have lived within our means. We have put three children through high end college education with zero help from state. We live modestly, pay our bills and our taxes and now are defined as "rich" by our government. I demand to be paid back with the promise of their confiscation. If YOU don't like it, tough ****.

FYPM

You have no right to anyone else's money.

Brucev
10-23-2012, 06:42
You have no right to anyone else's money. Screw you. And screw everything you think in supposing that people are going to just say, "Yah su missa boss man" and quietly do as they are told and just shuffle off to the sidewalk and get out of the way of whiners like you who cower in fear that they won't be able to keep their lifestyle. Tough. Very happily this is not the Twilight Zone where people like you are in control telling everyone else what will and will not be done. Very happily "we the people" are in control deciding together what will and will not be done. You can scream. Go right ahead and scream. You can whine. Go right ahead and whine. Maybe someone will pass you a tissue. Maybe not. Use your sleeve. In the meantime (what an apt phrase... "meantime) "We the people" will go right ahead and act in our own best interest. If that doesn't float your boat... if that fries your grits... etc., then get over it. The majority rules. That's the way it should be. That's the way it is. Power to the people. Very cool.

rgregoryb
10-23-2012, 06:44
You have no right to anyone else's money.

you're right, but he does have a right to his

IvanVic
10-23-2012, 06:48
You have no right to anyone else's money.

Well, if he's already paid into it, at a minimum he should be given his money back, adjusted for inflation and possibly a few points on it as well.

certifiedfunds
10-23-2012, 07:10
you're right, but he does have a right to his

His is gone

certifiedfunds
10-23-2012, 07:12
Well, if he's already paid into it, at a minimum he should be given his money back, adjusted for inflation and possibly a few points on it as well.

He didn't pay into anything. He was taxed. The money was spent. No different than any other tax.

certifiedfunds
10-23-2012, 07:13
You have no right to anyone else's money. Screw you. And screw everything you think in supposing that people are going to just say, "Yah su missa boss man" and quietly do as they are told and just shuffle off to the sidewalk and get out of the way of whiners like you who cower in fear that they won't be able to keep their lifestyle. Tough. Very happily this is not the Twilight Zone where people like you are in control telling everyone else what will and will not be done. Very happily "we the people" are in control deciding together what will and will not be done. You can scream. Go right ahead and scream. You can whine. Go right ahead and whine. Maybe someone will pass you a tissue. Maybe not. Use your sleeve. In the meantime (what an apt phrase... "meantime) "We the people" will go right ahead and act in our own best interest. If that doesn't float your boat... if that fries your grits... etc., then get over it. The majority rules. That's the way it should be. That's the way it is. Power to the people. Very cool.

.....so the Marxists have checked in.

IvanVic
10-23-2012, 07:26
He didn't pay into anything. He was taxed. The money was spent. No different than any other tax.

It is very different than other taxes. People receive, or should receive, residual and/or direct benefits from their taxes, and occasionally, those direct benefits are in the form of repayment - which is what we're dealing with here. That particular portion of his taxes were based upon the agreement that a future sum of money would be paid to him. Per our discussion in general chat, it's clear you have a tenuous grasp on this topic, so your confusion here is not surprising.

certifiedfunds
10-23-2012, 07:35
It is very different than other taxes. People receive, or should receive, residual and/or direct benefits from their taxes, and occasionally, those direct benefits are in the form of repayment - which is what we're dealing with here. That particular portion of his taxes were based upon the agreement that a future sum of money would be paid to him. Per our discussion in general chat, it's clear you have a tenuous grasp on this topic, so your confusion here is not surprising.


Actually it is no different. The tax and the payment are not linked. Check the SCOTUS ruling.

You are confused, or gullible.

certifiedfunds
10-23-2012, 07:53
When a board of mostly "conservatives" defend socialism like this the nation is truly doomed.

Every dollar of federal tax revenue is spent on welfare. Social security and Medicare are far and away the worst offenders. They are bankrupting the nation.

So y'all go ahead and point your finger at Obama and call him a socialist who spends like a drunken sailor, while you all defend your tit on the federal sow.

Hypocrites

PawDog
10-23-2012, 08:25
When a board of mostly "conservatives" defend socialism like this the nation is truly doomed.

Every dollar of federal tax revenue is spent on welfare. Social security and Medicare are far and away the worst offenders. They are bankrupting the nation.

So y'all go ahead and point your finger at Obama and call him a socialist who spends like a drunken sailor, while you all defend your tit on the federal sow.

Hypocrites

So, given your stance and twisted opinion, I guess when April 15th rolls around and you file your federal tax return, you don't claim exemptions such as child credits, exemptions for you and your spouse, mortgage interest tax credits, business expense exemptions, local and state tax exemptions.

If you do, then you are exactly what you accuse others here of being.........Hypocrite.

If you claim child tax credits and home mortgage interest credits, and reap the benefits of lowering the tax rate owed, why should the rest of us here shoulder the tax reduction for your crouch fruit and shanty?

certifiedfunds
10-23-2012, 09:03
So, given your stance and twisted opinion, I guess when April 15th rolls around and you file your federal tax return, you don't claim exemptions such as child credits, exemptions for you and your spouse, mortgage interest tax credits, business expense exemptions, local and state tax exemptions.

If you do, then you are exactly what you accuse others here of being.........Hypocrite.

If you claim child tax credits and home mortgage interest credits, and reap the benefits of lowering the tax rate owed, why should the rest of us here shoulder the tax reduction for your crouch fruit and shanty?

Following the tax code is now equated to sucking out a welfare check according to you?

FWIW, I can assure you that you are in no way, shape or form shouldering any burden for me. I am a net payer.

Please explain how my tax bill costs YOU money or how any of YOUR taxes make their way into MY pocket.

kirgi08
10-23-2012, 09:11
Manners.Agree ta disagree.I'm much finer than you my friend on the violations.'08. :wavey:

Chronos
10-23-2012, 17:56
It is very different than other taxes. People receive, or should receive, residual and/or direct benefits from their taxes, and occasionally, those direct benefits are in the form of repayment - which is what we're dealing with here. That particular portion of his taxes were based upon the agreement that a future sum of money would be paid to him. Per our discussion in general chat, it's clear you have a tenuous grasp on this topic, so your confusion here is not surprising.

Government promises are equivalent to the promises of Bernie Madoff -- the government did not invest your money, it blew it on vote-buying programs. If you think the government has a pile of money sitting around with part of your unspent payments sitting there, you're welcome to your particular fraction of it, but you are not morally entitled to anyone else's future labor.

In other words, "paying into a government program" is not equivalent to owning the future labor of a younger generation (particularly younger workers who had zero say in the vote-buying schemes your money was spent on). That would be slavery.

I'm very sorry that you were screwed by the government, but all of this has been known for decades -- I hope you didn't entrust your future to a known Ponzi scheme.

Stubudd
10-23-2012, 18:42
When a board of mostly "conservatives" defend socialism like this the nation is truly doomed.

Every dollar of federal tax revenue is spent on welfare. Social security and Medicare are far and away the worst offenders. They are bankrupting the nation.

So y'all go ahead and point your finger at Obama and call him a socialist who spends like a drunken sailor, while you all defend your tit on the federal sow.

Hypocrites


ugh, the hardest truth....

countrygun
10-23-2012, 18:55
When a board of mostly "conservatives" defend socialism like this the nation is truly doomed.

Every dollar of federal tax revenue is spent on welfare. Social security and Medicare are far and away the worst offenders. They are bankrupting the nation.

So y'all go ahead and point your finger at Obama and call him a socialist who spends like a drunken sailor, while you all defend your tit on the federal sow.

Hypocrites

I am not receivig, or ever planning on receiving anything from the systems you have mentiond. i have provided for myself and I think Obama over spends.

I have no appreciable fiduciary dog in the fight but I believe those who have paid in are entitled to what they have paid for. We, through our representatives, as a society have robbed their forced investments and we as a society owe that debt. ( It's called the "moral" thing to do in case you don't understand). Yes I think living up to what we have allowed to happen to that system is a moral issue and as a society we should be mondful of our moral character.

"we stole it, we spent it, you're screwed nya,nya,nya" is not the way to run a society.

rgregoryb
10-23-2012, 18:56
Government promises are equivalent to the promises of Bernie Madoff -- the government did not invest your money, it blew it on vote-buying programs. If you think the government has a pile of money sitting around with part of your unspent payments sitting there, you're welcome to your particular fraction of it, but you are not morally entitled to anyone else's future labor.

In other words, "paying into a government program" is not equivalent to owning the future labor of a younger generation (particularly younger workers who had zero say in the vote-buying schemes your money was spent on). That would be slavery.

I'm very sorry that you were screwed by the government, but all of this has been known for decades -- I hope you didn't entrust your future to a known Ponzi scheme.

you mean the fancy letter I got each year from SSA telling me how much I would get when I turned a certain age was a big lie? They showed me how much I paid in and my expected return...........you've destroyed my faith in the Federal Govt.

Get rid of welfare, WIC, Obama phones, Medicaid where folks receive without contributing anything then we'll talk. Medicare? don't want it

rgregoryb
10-23-2012, 19:06
not long ago I was considering a 2013 Mustang GT to purchase with my "mailbox money" but I decided to be more responsible and got this instead

http://images.thecarconnection.com/lrg/2012-honda-cr-v-2wd-5dr-ex-side-exterior-view_100383744_l.jpg

better MPG for the children and environment

THANKS!

certifiedfunds
10-23-2012, 22:05
I am not receivig, or ever planning on receiving anything from the systems you have mentiond. i have provided for myself and I think Obama over spends.

I have no appreciable fiduciary dog in the fight but I believe those who have paid in are entitled to what they have paid for. We, through our representatives, as a society have robbed their forced investments and we as a society owe that debt.

"We" haven't done anything other than the behavior you see on this thread, which is to continue voting for a teet on the sow.

Again, they weren't forced investments. There is a tax and a spend. Forced investments are unconstitutional now just as they were unconstitutional in 1935. Think about it. Tax collection started in 1937 and first payments made in 1939.

( It's called the "moral" thing to do in case you don't understand).

Moral? You really want to bring morality in to justify this? Generations of kids and unborn babies are being enslaved to debt they had no hand in accumulating in order to pay these benefits.

Moral? Having taxes seized from a young worker under threat of imprisonment to pay an old person who had a lifetime to plan for their retirement is moral?

Filing for these handouts knowing the fiscal damage they are doing to the younger generations is moral?

Transferring wealth from the poorest demographic to the wealthiest demographic is moral?

The people claiming payments are the ones who comprised the "society" that voted for the representatives that sold them these lies. Young workers who are paying the bill, didn't. That's called generational theft.

No offense but your moral compass is a bit effed up.

Yes I think living up to what we have allowed to happen to that system is a moral issue and as a society we should be mondful of our moral character.



Moral character means not making a claim to another's labor. Even as early as kindergarten we learn that just because someone did something harmful to you, doesn't make it right to do something harmful to someone else. My kids are 5 and 7 and they know this.

The folks claiming these payments, THEY'RE the people who elected these representatives and allowed this system to be created and perpetrated on others. Sympathy? None.

"we stole it, we spent it, you're screwed nya,nya,nya" is not the way to run a society.

Neither is "**** you, pay me"

certifiedfunds
10-23-2012, 22:10
Get rid of welfare, WIC, Obama phones, Medicaid where folks receive without contributing anything then we'll talk.

Stellar example of precisely why nothing will be done and why the SS system has been allowed to persist. Nicely done.

By the way, you haven't "contributed" anything either. You paid out some other old geezer. The till is empty when you step to the plate.

427
10-23-2012, 22:34
We're broke! With 16 trillion in debt and 1.5+trillion in deficit spending, not to mention the unfunded liabilities, where are the taxes collected to fund the numerous entitlements going? That money you and I have paid into the system is gone! There's no "lock box"!

I'm wondering when people will say enough! an have a tax revolt. It's not going to happen though!

I've had enough.

Brucev
10-24-2012, 06:33
.....so the Marxists have checked in.

So... you don't follow the COTUS? So... you think that the privileged few should by virtue of ownership rule? So... you think that the minority should control everything rather than the majority? Please give an exact explanation. Or... is it simply possible that you reflect a minority perspective which lacks the political power to exercise its will? Is it possible that you are afraid of loosing political power and... control of govt. and society to the majority? Please do be specific as to exactly what you think.

As to capitalism... etc., it's clap trap. Not worth wasting time arguing about it. Why? Because no one cares other than fools sitting around sucking coffee and eating doughnuts. It's like people who sit around arguing about lacrosse or rowing. No one cares. No one cares because it doesn't matter. Nothing you or anyone like you says/writes will make the least bit of difference. Reagan is dead. You have to live with it.

certifiedfunds
10-24-2012, 06:44
So... you don't follow the COTUS? So... you think that the privileged few should by virtue of ownership rule? So... you think that the minority should control everything rather than the majority? Please give an exact explanation. Or... is it simply possible that you reflect a minority perspective which lacks the political power to exercise its will? Is it possible that you are afraid of loosing political power and... control of govt. and society to the majority? Please do be specific as to exactly what you think.

As to capitalism... etc., it's clap trap. Not worth wasting time arguing about it. Why? Because no one cares other than fools sitting around sucking coffee and eating doughnuts. It's like people who sit around arguing about lacrosse or rowing. No one cares. No one cares because it doesn't matter. Nothing you or anyone like you says/writes will make the least bit of difference. Reagan is dead. You have to live with it.

Yup, here we have a Marxist revolutionary.

I think I've finally figured out why you oppose Obama: not aggressive enough with the revolution?

Did it ever occur to you that instead of waiting around lazily to suck the blood from the productive class that you could go out and earn yourself some prosperity? No? Parasitism is easier?

countrygun
10-24-2012, 13:51
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Moral? You really want to bring morality in to justify this? Generations of kids and unborn babies are being enslaved to debt they had no hand in accumulating in order to pay these benefits.

Moral? Having taxes seized from a young worker under threat of imprisonment to pay an old person who had a lifetime to plan for their retirement is moral?

Filing for these handouts knowing the fiscal damage they are doing to the younger generations is moral?

Transferring wealth from the poorest demographic to the wealthiest demographic is moral?

The people claiming payments are the ones who comprised the "society" that voted for the representatives that sold them these lies. Young workers who are paying the bill, didn't. That's called generational theft.

No offense but your moral compass is a bit effed up.





Once again you spread the lie (as highlighted) Social Security,was created under RooseveltII by forcibly taking money away from wage earners with the promise of "saving it for them" so they would have some kind of savings upon retirement sothey wouldn't be a burden to those younger people still working.

Apparently, you think it is more "moral" to have taken the money and used it to shore up social programs for people who do not contribute to society and then expect future generations to bear the burden of retirees that have no Social Security cushion.

I don't see it that way. The money was taken on a promise of it being returned, it was pilfered and we allowed it. We now owe that debt. The working and producing Americans are paying yet another generation of professional welfare recipients, and are going to have the burden of retirees who's Social Security has been stolen and you think that is any better or more "moral". It was theft and you think saying "tough luck" is morale and you question my moral compass?

you are truly a sad moral deviant.

certifiedfunds
10-24-2012, 16:39
Once again you spread the lie (as highlighted) Social Security,was created under RooseveltII by forcibly taking money away from wage earners with the promise of "saving it for them" so they would have some kind of savings upon retirement sothey wouldn't be a burden to those younger people still working.



Please don't accuse me of lying when I'm not and I'll refrain from calling you a thief for supporting theft.

I don't know where you're getting your assertions. What FDR said, what he did, what his administration argued before the SCOTUS and what the program has become are different things. Of those, the only one that matters is what the program IS, and that is a transfer of wealth from the youngest and poorest demographic to the wealthiest. This is a fact, not my opinion.

Apparently, you think it is more "moral" to have taken the money and used it to shore up social programs for people who do not contribute to society and then expect future generations to bear the burden of retirees that have no Social Security cushion.



No. What the government did is wholly immoral. However, you can't somehow redeem those acts by inflicting damage on others....by forcing others to make you whole, particularly when those others had nothing to do with it. Like I said, your moral compass is effed up as a train wreck.

I don't see it that way. The money was taken on a promise of it being returned,

No it wasn't. Not ever. From its very inception it was a tax and the welfare payment was unassociated with it. Read your history. How can it be some sort of "forced savings" when taxes were first collected in 1937 and benefits first paid in 1939?

it was pilfered and we allowed it.

Who is this "we"? I assume you mean "you". Fine. YOU pay for it.

The truth of the matter is that the people who allowed it are the very same people who are now claiming benefits. Some 25 year old father of two trying to make ends meet and saving for his kids college had nothing to do with it. However you feel somehow entitled to force him to make reparations? He's been voting for 7 years. He's culpable?

We now owe that debt.

Speak for yourself. You pay it. I made no agreement with anyone nor did I take anyone's money.

The working and producing Americans are paying yet another generation of professional welfare recipients, and are going to have the burden of retirees who's Social Security has been stolen and you think that is any better or more "moral". It was theft and you think saying "tough luck" is morale and you question my moral compass?



I haven't stolen anything. I haven't benefitted from the theft. I haven't voted to protect Social Security. I've had nothing to do with it. If someone steals your neighbor's television set, is he then entitled to yours? Yeah, your moral compass is effed up. You, today, are party to theft by supporting the program. How ya doin? :wavey:

you are truly a sad moral deviant.

:rofl:But I'm not a thief! You can't say the same. Hell, you're driving the getaway car.

And all of this completely avoids the cold, hard truth: Social Security and Medicare are bankrupting the nation.

Even if every one of your absurd points was valid, it doesn't change this fact.

rgregoryb
10-24-2012, 18:12
:rofl:But I'm not a thief! You can't say the same. Hell, you're driving the getaway car.

And all of this completely avoids the cold, hard truth: Social Security and Medicare are bankrupting the nation.

Even if every one of your absurd points was valid, it doesn't change this fact.

your kids in private school?

certifiedfunds
10-24-2012, 18:30
your kids in private school?

Of course

rgregoryb
10-24-2012, 19:02
Of course

good, cause I'm tired pf paying for the younger generations to go to school on my dime

certifiedfunds
10-24-2012, 19:32
good, cause I'm tired pf paying for the younger generations to go to school on my dime

Agreed. I pay for mine to go to private school, an underpriviliged kid to go and then on top of it all I have to pay for the private schools too.

But to be fair, those poor chirruns have to pay off the massive debt you folks have saddled them with so, the least you can do is educate them so they can work it off for all of their adult lives.

Like I said upthread, I suspect that in a decade or two there will be a major problem with urination in the cemeteries.

countrygun
10-24-2012, 19:49
.

But to be fair, those poor chirruns have to pay off the massive debt you folks have saddled them with so, the least you can do is educate them so they can work it off for all of their adult lives.





And just what society have you been living in that your hands are so lilly-white there, Little Orphan Annie?

certifiedfunds
10-24-2012, 19:56
And just what society have you been living in that your hands are so lilly-white there, Little Orphan Annie?

Are you truly saying that the boomers and their parents didn't saddle unborn generations with massive debt? Didn't you just say that all this was done by this elusive "we". Were they not the "we"?

And stop with the "society" bit. It's creepy and Orwellian

rgregoryb
10-24-2012, 20:13
And just what society have you been living in that your hands are so lilly-white there, Little Orphan Annie?

it's LA where family trees have no branches, and they try really, really hard to have a good football team.........:supergrin:

http://www.universitysupplystore.com/outerweb/product_images/12122844l.jpg

countrygun
10-24-2012, 20:18
Are you truly saying that the boomers and their parents didn't saddle unborn generations with massive debt? Didn't you just say that all this was done by this elusive "we". Were they not the "we"?

And stop with the "society" bit. It's creepy and Orwellian

Your disconnect from society is...well...kind of ...disturbing on a psychological level.

You clearly have not identified with anyone in this little scenario. You say, "they" did this to "them". Then you render an opinion of the actions of everyone else with a troubling detachment.

You're kinda scary.

rgregoryb
10-24-2012, 20:21
http://www.universitysupplystore.com/outerweb/product_images/11996873t.jpg

certifiedfunds
10-24-2012, 20:25
Your disonnect from society is...well...kind of ...disturbing on a psychological level.

You clearly have not identified with anyone in this little scenario. You say, "they" did this to "them". Then you render an opinion of the actions of everyone else with a troubling detachment.

You're kinda scary.

Your definition of society is kinda scary.

certifiedfunds
10-24-2012, 20:25
http://www.universitysupplystore.com/outerweb/product_images/11996873t.jpg

Try harder. There's some funny stuff out there.

certifiedfunds
10-24-2012, 20:27
it's LA where family trees have no branches, and they try really, really hard to have a good football team.........:supergrin:

http://www.universitysupplystore.com/outerweb/product_images/12122844l.jpg

ok, that's funny

kirgi08
10-24-2012, 23:40
Your disconnect from society is...well...kind of ...disturbing on a psychological level.

You clearly have not identified with anyone in this little scenario. You say, "they" did this to "them". Then you render an opinion of the actions of everyone else with a troubling detachment.

You're kinda scary.

CG,in all honesty I'm worse by far.Granted my cynicism is a wee bit more refined.I agree with CF at times and at times I don't.Remember ones locale will affect ones perspective.'08.

countrygun
10-25-2012, 00:07
CG,in all honesty I'm worse by far.Granted my cynicism is a wee bit more refined.I agree with CF at times and at times I don't.Remember ones locale will affect ones perspective.'08.

Hey, I am the guy that lives about 15 miles up in the hills outside of a town of 2,000 (that I haven't been to in 3 weeks) and I still think of myself as a part of a society.

kirgi08
10-25-2012, 01:04
I won't speak for CF here,we don't consider ourselves part of the mainstream society.I've watched this nation slowly implode and have the means ta walk away from the impending chaos if needed.

We belong ta a sub-culture of folk that don't need/want any of uncle sugars help.We are fine fending for ourselves and prefer ta be left alone.Do I think Romney will fix it,not really.This damage is far too massive for any 1-2 term potus ta fix.What must not happen is the one ta nominate anymore justices,this scares me more than nukes.

The long term revolves around getting true conservatives inta the mix,local/state/fed levels.We got a good crop of folks in the wings learning,they need more time and experience.

The short term is ta start ta reverse all the damage that has been done,you know the points as well as I so I won't rehash them.Romney is what we got........... We know the ones record and we've seen what Romney has done/psssst there is actual documents you can read and see this/ :faint:

I've posted this before: I want Romney ta start the shift,the I'd like him ta do 4yrs and retire,by this time the Rubios/Jindals/Wests have 4yrs more of experience.It'll depend on his ego/health/Ann.He's made his fortune,I say enjoy it.'08.

certifiedfunds
10-25-2012, 06:40
Society and government are two different things.

Helping your neighbor is being part of society.

Giving to charity is being part of society.

Working together for the common good is being part of society.

Being forced to do either under threat of fine or imprisonment is not being part of society.

Voting for someone who will use armed men to force your neighbor to help you is not being part of society......it is being a thief by proxy.