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gunsnhoses
10-22-2012, 15:57
I recently traded for what looks to be an earlier Gen 3 G21 with serial number starting CWK. The gun looks to have been used, but not abused. Function checks all OK. Unknown number of rounds, but I'd say up to 2K. took it out today and put about 60 rounds through it. Of those 60 rounds about 4-5 came back and hit me in the face:steamed:.

I came home and detail stripped and cleaned it, especially the extractor etc. The gun doesn't look like it's had any mods to it, however the extractor has no hump on the exterior portion like my 9mm's do. It is flat. I haven't owned any Glocks except 9's so I don't know if this is normal?:dunno:

So for those who know, is that normal? If so, any other ideas why this thing would be putting brass in my face? I thought earlier Gen 3's didn't suffer from this?

Thanks!

G36shooter
10-22-2012, 16:06
Yes this is normal. The extractor that you have is the non LCI model, you'll be fine, go shoot it.

gunsnhoses
10-22-2012, 17:27
Yes this is normal. The extractor that you have is the non LCI model, you'll be fine, go shoot it.

After a little more research I did see that this is the non "LCI" extractor. However, I still am curious as to what may be causing the brass to my face.

Mystic Knight
10-22-2012, 17:30
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kaech
10-22-2012, 17:36
After a little more research I did see that this is the non "LCI" extractor. However, I still am curious as to what may be causing the brass to my face.

^^^ limp wrists....seriously. 45's just a lil different then your 9mm

diamondd2
10-22-2012, 17:41
Seems some people are finally coming out of the woodwork about G21 G3 and G4 brass to the face issues.

I have the Gen4 G21 and had/have this problem. You can read about my findings here:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1436412

voyager4520
10-22-2012, 20:58
Check the claw of the extractor for any chips or blemishes. If you see none, I would try replacing the extractor depressor plunger spring and recoil spring. If that doesn't fix the ejection issue, try different ammo and try holding the gun more firmly. If that doesn't fix it, I'm out of ideas.

If the extractor is the old 90 degree non-LCI version, they don't make those extractors any longer. They still make 15 degree .45 non-LCI extractors. I don't know if a 15 degree non-LCI or LCI would work in a 90 degree slide but you'd obviously have to use the corresponding LCI or non-LCI spring loaded bearing with whatever replacement extractor you may try. I don't know if Glock still does this, but they used to offer a service where they'd cut and refinish an old 90 degree G21 slide to have the 15 degree cut.

15 degree vs 90 degree extractors and ejection ports:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18198745&postcount=4

et45
10-23-2012, 06:41
Seems some people are finally coming out of the woodwork about G21 G3 and G4 brass to the face issues.

I have the Gen4 G21 and had/have this problem. You can read about my findings here:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1436412

I plan to start a thread about my issues with a Gen 3 21.Can't wait for the first dingleberry to chime in about limpwristing :yawn:

WheelGunFan
10-23-2012, 07:53
Darn, I was hoping this would not be an issue with the G21 Gen 4. I am getting close to 1500 rds, so far no brass to the face, we will see after this weekend. Disappointing to see this thread but I will keep watching.

gunsnhoses
10-23-2012, 08:21
Seems some people are finally coming out of the woodwork about G21 G3 and G4 brass to the face issues.

I have the Gen4 G21 and had/have this problem. You can read about my findings here:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1436412

Ya, I'm aware that the gen 4's had some issues, but haven't heard anything about older guns having these issues. Guess I'll try a few things and see if any of it helps.

gunsnhoses
10-23-2012, 15:59
Just a little update. I detail stripped and thoroughly cleaned my 21 then took her back out to the range today and ran a quick 50 rounds through it. Not one piece of brass to my face. In fact they all seemed to eject nicely over my right shoulder in a pile at about 4 0'clock.

I'm not sure if it was the strip and clean or what? I did switch ammo from Blazer aluminum to federal Champion, so don't know if that may have made the difference. Anyway, Hope it continues on in the same manner.

jeremy1
10-23-2012, 22:27
Good to hear that your problem is fixed. I could be wrong, but I believe that all gen 3's should have a LCI extractor. You may want to order one anyway. Also, 45's get dirtier than 9mm's. They need more attention when cleaning.

JesseA
10-24-2012, 07:20
I have a Gen 3 Glock 21 and it doesnt have a LCI, and this happens to me often. So much that my wife won't shoot it because every time she does, she gets hit in the face or a HOT casing goes down her shirt! Doesn't really bother me to much because I am super accurate with the gun and love the dependability and the way it feels in my hands. So I guess I can't have it all! Lol

Arc Angel
10-24-2012, 09:10
Just a little update. I detail stripped and thoroughly cleaned my 21 then took her back out to the range today and ran a quick 50 rounds through it. Not one piece of brass to my face. In fact they all seemed to eject nicely over my right shoulder in a pile at about 4 0'clock.

I'm not sure if it was the strip and clean or what? I did switch ammo from Blazer aluminum to federal Champion, so don't know if that may have made the difference. Anyway, Hope it continues on in the same manner.

:) I think, perhaps without realizing it, you've answered your own question: Your dirty extractor and extractor slide cutout were causing the extractor to, 'chatter'; and this caused some of the brass to come back at your face. Still, I think a new SLB, and SLB spring would be appropriate. (A new recoil spring assembly is your option!)

Personally, I suspect that until Helga Glock removes the curse she placed on Gaston, these bizarre Glock extraction/ejection problems are going to continue. I mean look at what happened to Harry Helmsley when he left Eve for Leona! :freak:

With standard weight recoil springs all of my Glock pistols devour Blazer Aluminum! (Federal, 'Champion' too.)

gunsnhoses
10-24-2012, 13:33
:) I think, perhaps without realizing it, you've answered your own question: Your dirty extractor and extractor slide cutout were causing the extractor to, 'chatter'; and this caused some of the brass to come back at your face. Still, I think a new SLB, and SLB spring would be appropriate. (A new recoil spring assembly is your option!)

Personally, I suspect that until Helga Glock removes the curse she placed on Gaston, these bizarre Glock extraction/ejection problems are going to continue. I mean look at what happened to Harry Helmsley when he left Eve for Leona! :freak:

With standard weight recoil springs all of my Glock pistols devour Blazer Aluminum! (Federal, 'Champion' too.)

Sorry, SLB???

diamondd2
10-24-2012, 17:47
Sorry, SLB???


Spring loaded bearing. The spring assembly that puts pressure on your extractor.