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Constantine88
10-24-2012, 10:39
Hello all..

Recently sold my Glock 27 (which was paired with my Glock 22 but I then moved to Glock 17) and replaced it with a Glock 19 for CCW.

Since I have the 19 as my personal weapon. I had a trigger job done to it... Now to make a really long story over a long time short.

I had to go back to the smith several times. He lowered the trigger to 2.5lbs and it shot like a dream. However, my biggest concern was it was unreliable. It did this the first time I before I took it back to him..


The trigger would not work. It would go back all the way and come back forward. Then out of nowhere work again.

Took it back he did something, then...second thing.

It would shoot and the trigger would stay back... :faint:


So..Back to factory it went. Of course back to 100% reliability.

Now, he says it's all the 4th Gen's fault. I think it's a cop out. What do you guys think?

dhgeyer
10-24-2012, 12:46
I think 3 things.

1. I would not want a 2.5 lb trigger on a "personal weapon".

2. You have a less than competent gunsmith. Probably messed up the connector or something associated with it.

3. You should now leave it alone.

skyboss_4evr
10-24-2012, 12:52
I think 3 things.

1. I would not want a 2.5 lb trigger on a "personal weapon".

2. You have a less than competent gunsmith. Probably messed up the connector or something associated with it.

3. You should now leave it alone.


Well stated.

Constantine88
10-24-2012, 13:01
I think 3 things.

1. I would not want a 2.5 lb trigger on a "personal weapon".

2. You have a less than competent gunsmith. Probably messed up the connector or something associated with it.

3. You should now leave it alone.


lol...why isn't anyone reading the key points?

Scroll up...my last post. Where I mentioned not knowing what I wanted to do with it so for the time debating I wanted to have fun with it. I did. It was a blast. Great little RANGE trigger. Didn't CARRY it that way. I know better. Benefit of the doubt anyone?

Anyways..I posted this to see if anyone has had a similar issue and to see if his justification was correct. Not to be told what I know and probably knew before you knew. Thank you :whistling:

Constantine88
10-24-2012, 13:02
Oh wow...double thread somehow. Mods lock this one up! Sorry!

LampShadeActual
10-24-2012, 13:44
Gun modifier is an idjiot.

For fun making a gun unsafe is likewise.

There is no way with stock parts to get a safe trigger like that. You being unsafe at my range instead of being unsafe CCWing on your own time does not give me a comfort factor. It gives me the willies that you might be the idjiot next to me with a gun that cycles and won't hold "full cock."

RM686
10-24-2012, 13:50
I was going to post a new thread on almost the same thing kind of. I have a 2 month old G19 GEN 4. I have tried 3.5 connectors wolf and the Glock minus. 6 lb trigger spring, polish job and an aftermarket Phampton trigger for $100.00. The pistol is basically back to stock right now with the exception of some light sanding on the stock trigger and safety so it is easier on the finger. NONE of the changes including the connectors made any real difference in trigger weight. It stayed around 5 lbs. The stock connector gives the best or crispest break. The worst was the wolf which was mussy. The Glock minus wa also crisp but no real differance in pull weight.
I really don't get it. All the guys that post leave it stock seem to be correct. I probably threw away over $200.00 for nothing. This does not include the night sights and site pusher tools for another $200.00. I think the lesson here is for A CARRY GUN leave it alone. I have measured the trigger pull with a RCBS gage so my comments on trigger weight are not opinions. I think the big mistake is trying to make a Glock into something it is not.
Can anyone think of why the changes in parts has not resulted in any real change in pull weight? I tried many different combination of parts. The gun has been taken and striped at least 2o times. Not that I would really want to go below 5 lbs on a carry gun.

Constantine88
10-24-2012, 13:58
Yeah..one should never modify their carry gun heavily. For AD's or ND's also for legal reasons. I did it to mine to mess around. It was fun...Back to stock now. Didn't spend a penny on doing any of this.

However, my Glock 34 is going to a mad scientist for some range and competition tuning ;)

Constantine88
10-24-2012, 14:01
Gun modifier is an idjiot.

For fun making a gun unsafe is likewise.

There is no way with stock parts to get a safe trigger like that. You being unsafe at my range instead of being unsafe CCWing on your own time does not give me a comfort factor. It gives me the willies that you might be the idjiot next to me with a gun that cycles and won't hold "full cock."

You mad bro?

Lost me there...Elaborate more.

But I'll try, no one said anything about unsafe. Assumptions much? lol People have been doing trigger jobs for ages. Nothing to do with being unsafe.

Don't pop an artery now.

RM686
10-24-2012, 14:18
Yeah..one should never modify their carry gun heavily. For AD's or ND's also for legal reasons. I did it to mine to mess around. It was fun...Back to stock now. Didn't spend a penny on doing any of this.

However, my Glock 34 is going to a mad scientist for some range and competition tuning ;)

Let us know how you make out with any mods.
Some one on this board or another one posted a pod-cast by some well known self defense lawyer on cases where a change from stock in a self defense situation were turned into negligence by a prosecutor claimant lawyer. He gave many examples from even police having a DA revolver cocked into disregard to safety. This scared the hell out of me which is why I took the Phampton trigger out even though it did not lesson the pull weight.
Really amazes me when you clearly stated in your original post how your G19 was not a self defense, gun, people jumped all over you. Same with your G 34. Just putting this in so you know in the above I am talking about my gun not yours.

AZnine
10-24-2012, 14:50
Sounds like the connector was not all the way pushed into the trigger housing.

soggy_spinout
10-24-2012, 15:08
Hello all..

Recently sold my Glock 27 (which was paired with my Glock 22 but I then moved to Glock 17) and replaced it with a Glock 19 for CCW.

Since I have the 19 as my personal weapon...

Really amazes me when you clearly stated in your original post how your G19 was not a self defense, gun, people jumped all over you.
Am I missing something here? Given the title of the thread, this very much sounds like the OP was using a modified gun with a 2.5# trigger as his 'personal weapon'.

RM686
10-24-2012, 15:28
Am I missing something here? Given the title of the thread, this very much sounds like the OP was using a modified gun with a 2.5# trigger as his 'personal weapon'.


Ends with gun back to factory and is stock. If logo is correct this guys looks like a police officer which would make me think he would know better than to carry a 2.5 gun for defense. I read it from where his gun is now. I think your reading if he was carrying around a CCW gun with a 2.5 trigger could also be read.
But his question was kinda what is the deal with G19 Gen 4's.

Glock Junkie
10-24-2012, 16:06
I was going to post a new thread on almost the same thing kind of. I have a 2 month old G19 GEN 4. I have tried 3.5 connectors wolf and the Glock minus. 6 lb trigger spring, polish job and an aftermarket Phampton trigger for $100.00. The pistol is basically back to stock right now with the exception of some light sanding on the stock trigger and safety so it is easier on the finger. NONE of the changes including the connectors made any real difference in trigger weight. It stayed around 5 lbs. The stock connector gives the best or crispest break. The worst was the wolf which was mussy. The Glock minus wa also crisp but no real differance in pull weight.
I really don't get it. All the guys that post leave it stock seem to be correct. I probably threw away over $200.00 for nothing. This does not include the night sights and site pusher tools for another $200.00. I think the lesson here is for A CARRY GUN leave it alone. I have measured the trigger pull with a RCBS gage so my comments on trigger weight are not opinions. I think the big mistake is trying to make a Glock into something it is not.
Can anyone think of why the changes in parts has not resulted in any real change in pull weight? I tried many different combination of parts. The gun has been taken and striped at least 2o times. Not that I would really want to go below 5 lbs on a carry gun.

In order to lower the pull weight you need to do the following: (NOT RECOMMENDED FOR A CARRY WEAPON)

This is how my RANGE GUN is set up

4lb striker spring (risk of light primer strikes)
reduced power safety plunger spring
6 lb trigger spring
3.5 connector (Ghost Rocket in my gun)

I also do a complete polish on all the internal parts to smooth everything out. I have never used a gauge on my trigger but if I had to guess I would say its between 3.5 to 4.0 lbs, minimal pre-travel,short reset and smooth.

RM686
10-24-2012, 16:42
In order to lower the pull weight you need to do the following: (NOT RECOMMENDED FOR A CARRY WEAPON)

This is how my RANGE GUN is set up

4lb striker spring (risk of light primer strikes)
reduced power safety plunger spring
6 lb trigger spring
3.5 connector (Ghost Rocket in my gun)

I also do a complete polish on all the internal parts to smooth everything out. I have never used a gauge on my trigger but if I had to guess I would say its between 3.5 to 4.0 lbs, minimal pre-travel,short reset and smooth.

Tried everything you mentioned above different 3.5 connectors but not the 4lb striker spring.
I believe the striker spring is the deal maker in reducing trigger pull but at the expense of reliably igniting some brands of ammo with hard primers.

45acp2go
10-24-2012, 17:29
Why mess with a good thing out of the box. 3 1/2 lb triggers are the lightest triggers normally installed in Glocks and that should only be for a competition gun, not a personal defense weapon.

NCHeel
10-24-2012, 18:53
RM686, one of the easiest ways to drop the pull weight on the Gen4's is to file the bump on the trigger bar down or install a Gen3 trigger bar. I see no differences in the minus and the dot connectors. I have been told they are the same. With all stock parts I can get my trigger pull down to 4lbs 2ozs and 4lbs 5ozs. The pull is consistent and the break is crisp and you don't feel it "hit the wall" before it breaks. Got to know where to polish.

Tree Rat
10-25-2012, 20:08
What the hell was that bump incorporated in the GEN 4's anyway?


TR

di11igaf
10-25-2012, 20:18
What the hell was that bump incorporated in the GEN 4's anyway?


TR

It keeps the trigger bar from flexing and moving too far to the side(by the bump riding the slide), keeping it centered over the plunger.
If you look into the mag well and dry-fire, you can see the difference in the new/old trigger bars.
I don't ever recall it being an issue with gen 1-3, but what do I know.

NCHeel
10-25-2012, 20:48
What the hell was that bump incorporated in the GEN 4's anyway?


TRWhat he said, the trigger bar would flex and be off to one side but I never heard of it being an issue.

Tree Rat
10-25-2012, 21:05
So swapping out the trigger bar with a Gen 1/2/3 unit should be no issue?

Can't remember but can you swap a G-17 trigger bar with a G-19?


Tr

RM686
10-25-2012, 22:09
What the hell was that bump incorporated in the GEN 4's anyway?


TR

Also according to Glock at least on the G19 Gen 4 the frame is narrower than the Gen 3. The bump is the keep[ the triger guard from rubbing and so it will rige correctly over the saftey plunger.

HenryinFlorida
10-26-2012, 07:03
sometime the connectors need to be adjusted. The angle of the tab can be off a little. I have Ghost connectors in all my Glocks. I had to adjust the angel on two of them. If there not adjusted correctly they rub on one side of the other and you don't get the benefit of the lighter pull. For carry I use the Ghost Ranger 4.5lb connector with the 6lb trigger and firing pin springs. For my home defense G21 I use the Ghost 3.5lb Ultimate connector with the 6lb trigger and firing pin springs.
I am extremely happy with these setups.

NCHeel
10-26-2012, 14:26
So swapping out the trigger bar with a Gen 1/2/3 unit should be no issue?

Can't remember but can you swap a G-17 trigger bar with a G-19?


TrYes you can swap. G17 TB will go into a G26 also. From trigger back all the dimensions are the same.