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Mayhem like Me
10-24-2012, 17:29
I have finally decided to put together some observations of things people say and do that ensures I will consider them a Tactical poser, Tommy Tacfinger or any other number of less than flattering terms....


Use of the word or words "hostiles and friendlies" in a Law Enforcement briefing.

Referring to themselves as "operators"

Asking for a sitrep on the loc (pronounced Loke).

Wearing of tac vest at the Command post by a non tactical team member....


Using the term "drive" in relation to operating a pistol or rifle...


Calling something "a good piece of kit"


Having ANY piece of tactical clothing starched (especially 511 or similar pants)

Talking about their "weapons system" example "the reason I chose the SCAR weapons system is 9 out of 10 mall ninjas get wood over it........

I was in Tactical Command of a Cop Killer manhunt within the past 2 years.

I was at the Command post and a State Agent (we'll call him Tommy Tacfinger)

Came in to brief us on his "intell"
He also decided he would let us know how the tactical operation would proceed using words like "inner Cordon"and explosive breach with dynamic entry...

He stood there a minute and I said, " all that stuff he said,, Were not doing that"...Good thing too, his Intell was crap....

Dragoon44
10-24-2012, 17:52
Was Tommy head of his Fast Action Response Team?

:supergrin::wavey:

Mayhem like Me
10-24-2012, 17:55
Crisis Unified Negotiating Team I believe..

Dragoon44
10-24-2012, 18:41
Crisis Unified Negotiating Team I believe..

:rofl::rofl:

Or Diverse Uniform Management Beurau Active Shooter Specialist

11A
10-24-2012, 19:02
I have to admit, I occasionally use some of those phrases, but I was an Infantry Officer less than a year ago.

Those phrases are almost completely phased out of my lexicon based solely on the fact that I am a patrol officer and do not attempt to be tacticool at all.

...and never have I been an operator (I can't afford an H&K and my hair is too short to gel)

rockapede
10-24-2012, 19:14
I agree with everything but "drive the gun." To me, that phrase has a specific descriptive meaning that makes sense.

Mayhem like Me
10-24-2012, 19:41
I agree with everything but "drive the gun." To me, that phrase has a specific descriptive meaning that makes sense.

More Tacti-speak.... you don't drive a gun ,, You can control or operate it...

You don't steer a gun or heal toe it...
It's a tacticool term that is made up to sound cool.

You can "Drive your Gun" through a guys sternum but that is a different tactical meaning and is correct and quite acceptable.


But " I drive my weapons system with a modified Costa grip" is too cool for me..,.:tongueout:

as always MHO is abrasive and correct...:whistling:

rockapede
10-24-2012, 19:45
You can "Drive your Gun" through a guys sternum but that is a different tactical meaning and is correct and quite acceptable.

But of course this was what I was meaning. For all other uses, I actually "manhandle the tacticool dog****" out of the gun. :whistling:

blueiron
10-24-2012, 19:58
I agree with everything but "drive the gun." To me, that phrase has a specific descriptive meaning that makes sense.


True. A bayonet needs to be attached to the muzzle of a rifle in order to drive it.

Hack
10-24-2012, 20:12
I'm too cool to be tacticool.:whistling:

lawman800
10-24-2012, 22:25
I spray painted all my gear black to fit in, including all my desert camo and olive drab gear.

indigent
10-24-2012, 22:44
You are not tacticool unless you possess several rolls of tactical duct tape....

To the rest of us mouth-breathers that's the black colored tape.....

CAcop
10-25-2012, 22:33
Operator....drives me nuts.

One of our SWAT leaders referred to people on the team as operators once. I had to bite my tongue. I wanted to ask him when they graduated from the Operators Training Course put on by Delta.

GRIMLET
10-25-2012, 22:37
One of our range officers used to say, "stay frosty". I like to think I helped cure him of that.

countrygun
10-25-2012, 23:16
Gee I though back in the day our "Tactical Interdiction Teams" were the schnizzle.

lawman800
10-26-2012, 00:59
Operator....drives me nuts.

One of our SWAT leaders referred to people on the team as operators once. I had to bite my tongue. I wanted to ask him when they graduated from the Operators Training Course put on by Delta.

All my friends know anyone who uses the word operator except in jest will get kicked in the ding ding on the spot.

One of our range officers used to say, "stay frosty". I like to think I helped cure him of that.

I actually like that term. Maybe it's just because Alexander Skaarsgard made it sound cool.

But we do say Oscar Mike a lot just to make our missions sound more tactical... and by mission, I mean just going out and hanging at the Starbucks.

Gee I though back in the day our "Tactical Interdiction Teams" were the schnizzle.

That will make for a very cool raid jacket. TIT POLICE.:whistling:

My peeve is whenever the resident tacti-nerd keeps bringing up how patrol is getting more and more tactical. Yeah... we have been doing the same thing, and now they say we're getting tactical? What's the difference?

We've always had tactics and we've always been training and improving on tactics. How does that make it more tactical? It's always been patrol tactics. Training and updating tactics don't make it more or less tactical. It's still tactics.

Snowman92D
10-26-2012, 01:12
as always MHO is abrasive and correct...:whistling:

I love it. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

GRIMLET
10-26-2012, 01:41
All my friends know anyone who uses the word operator except in jest will get kicked in the ding ding on the spot.



I actually like that term. Maybe it's just because Alexander Skaarsgard made it sound cool.

But we do say Oscar Mike a lot just to make our missions sound more tactical... and by mission, I mean just going out and hanging at the Starbucks.



That will make for a very cool raid jacket. TIT POLICE.:whistling:

My peeve is whenever the resident tacti-nerd keeps bringing up how patrol is getting more and more tactical. Yeah... we have been doing the same thing, and now they say we're getting tactical? What's the difference?

We've always had tactics and we've always been training and improving on tactics. How does that make it more tactical? It's always been patrol tactics. Training and updating tactics don't make it more or less tactical. It's still tactics..

Oscar Mike?? No idea.
Charlie Mike-- continue mission I get.
LLMF- my favorite with a new Lt guiding the convoy back in the Army.
Lost Like a M F.

lawman800
10-26-2012, 01:44
.

Oscar Mike?? No idea.
Charlie Mike-- continue mission I get.
LLMF- my favorite with a new Lt guiding the convoy back in the Army.
Lost Like a M F.

Oscar Mike =

On Mission

or

On the Move

Consider the LLMF stolen.:whistling:

GRIMLET
10-26-2012, 02:27
Oscar Mike =

On Mission

or

On the Move

Consider the LLMF stolen.:whistling:

No. Nothing was missing or possibly stolen. Its when a new Lt was navigating a convoy. There was no GPS back then. It was a map and compass. The times we went in circles at NTC. Thanks , Todd!!!

GRIMLET
10-26-2012, 02:28
Oh, his nickname among the troops, Lost Todd!!!!!

indigent
10-26-2012, 03:11
But we do say Oscar Mike a lot just to make our missions sound more tactical... and by mission, I mean just going out and hanging at the Starbucks.

You big city folks talk kinda funny...... We don't have Starbucks, but if we want to let someone know were going to 7-11 (only thing open in my city after 11 pm), we just say, " Hey! Were going to 7-11"

You city folks make stuff to complicated.......

msu_grad_121
10-26-2012, 06:08
I've noticed that I will say "disregard" instead of "nevermind," even in the course of my normal conversations. I feel like a tool when it slips out, but I personally don't think it's as bad as some of the stuff you posted.

Still, I'll take the tacti-speak over one of my former partners and his attempt at using "legalese" all the time. For instance, he's one of those that when making a DUI case wkuld say something like, "pursuant to the suspect's refusal to submit an intoxilyzer breath sample, I sought charges for 11-501(a2), since I had no basis to charge his as being per se over the statutory limit of .08 BAC."

Everyone else in the world would say, "knucklehead refused to blow, so I charged him under the a2 statute and gave him a summary suspension for a year."

I guess it's just as frustrating to hear someone try to sound more intelligent than they are as it is to hear them sound more tacticool than they are.

steveksux
10-26-2012, 06:14
Talking about their "weapons system" example "the reason I chose the SCAR weapons system is 9 out of 10 mall ninjas get wood over When a real ninja gets wood, you'll never know until he kills you with it.

Detective: "looks like blunt force trauma, but nothing quite like I've ever seen before..."

Randy

Mayhem like Me
10-26-2012, 07:53
When a real ninja gets wood, you'll never know until he kills you with it.

Detective: "looks like blunt force trauma, but nothing quite like I've ever seen before..."

Randy

Word!!!

lawman800
10-26-2012, 08:49
No. Nothing was missing or possibly stolen. Its when a new Lt was navigating a convoy. There was no GPS back then. It was a map and compass. The times we went in circles at NTC. Thanks , Todd!!!

No no no... stolen as in, I'm gonna use it like I stole it!:cool:

You big city folks talk kinda funny...... We don't have Starbucks, but if we want to let someone know were going to 7-11 (only thing open in my city after 11 pm), we just say, " Hey! Were going to 7-11"

You city folks make stuff to complicated.......

That's affirmative. Convoy's Oscar Mike. ETA 7 minutes.:supergrin:

I've noticed that I will say "disregard" instead of "nevermind," even in the course of my normal conversations. I feel like a tool when it slips out, but I personally don't think it's as bad as some of the stuff you posted.

Still, I'll take the tacti-speak over one of my former partners and his attempt at using "legalese" all the time. For instance, he's one of those that when making a DUI case wkuld say something like, "pursuant to the suspect's refusal to submit an intoxilyzer breath sample, I sought charges for 11-501(a2), since I had no basis to charge his as being per se over the statutory limit of .08 BAC."

Everyone else in the world would say, "knucklehead refused to blow, so I charged him under the a2 statute and gave him a summary suspension for a year."

I guess it's just as frustrating to hear someone try to sound more intelligent than they are as it is to hear them sound more tacticool than they are.

What if they combine the two?

"pursuant to the barricaded suspect's bunkered refusal and possibly armed resistance to tacitly submit an automated robotic intoxilyzer exfiltration breath sample, I dynamically sought explosive charges for Alpha Sierra Niner 11-501(a2), since (name omitted for security purposes) had no firm purchase of any operational basis to explosively drive and charge his as stealthily being per se over the perimeter statutory limit of .08 BAC."

Sam Spade
10-26-2012, 09:16
The true tactical operators wouldn't be caught dead in this thread with you posers.






Oh, wait....

b_oglethorpe
10-26-2012, 11:18
I like to call them tactictools.


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lawman800
10-26-2012, 11:44
I like to call them tactictools.


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They might think that's something they can buy at their favorite tactistore. Nah, they are just tactifakes or noperators.

lpo
10-26-2012, 11:45
I've noticed that I will say "disregard" instead of "nevermind," even in the course of my normal conversations. I feel like a tool when it slips out, but I personally don't think it's as bad as some of the stuff you posted.



I use "disregard" all the time in normal conversations. It confuses the asshats long enough to get away.



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lawman800
10-26-2012, 11:49
I use "disregard" all the time in normal conversations. It confuses the asshats long enough to get away.

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I say, "strike from the record". Makes everybody cringe.:whistling:

GumbyDammit
10-26-2012, 11:49
<---- Writing down things for tomorrow night. Looks like we'll have a fun "use it on the air" contest to keep the night moving along.

lawman800
10-26-2012, 11:59
<---- Writing down things for tomorrow night. Looks like we'll have a fun "use it on the air" contest to keep the night moving along.

Wait, are we doing meow or repeat this time?:whistling:

msu_grad_121
10-26-2012, 12:08
Wait, are we doing meow or repeat this time?:whistling:

Do you wanna do repeat?

And consider this operator thoroughly befuddled by your profane use of jargon. Nicely done!

IrishSheepdog54
10-26-2012, 12:18
I've started using the tactical term, "full retard" a lot lately.

Napalm561
10-26-2012, 20:01
Since domestic violence seems to be a problem nationwide....I propose the:

Violence
Against
Gals
In
North
America

Response Team.
Might look good on a T-shirt or jacket....What do ya think?
:tongueout:

Kingarthurhk
10-26-2012, 20:09
Was Tommy head of his Fast Action Response Team?

:supergrin::wavey:

I think he was probably with the Special Hostage Intervention Team.:supergrin:

Mayhem like Me
10-26-2012, 20:37
It was the:

Dedicated
Undercover
Federally
Funded
Attack
Squad

Mayhem like Me
10-26-2012, 20:53
I've started using the tactical term, "full retard" a lot lately.

I have been using Ftard and phhuckknuckles.

Hack
10-26-2012, 20:58
I have used such jargon as:

Insignificant psychological specimen of humanity

King of the dung heap

Well now, don't think too fast. It might just damage you.

lawman800
10-26-2012, 21:04
I think he was probably with the Special Hostage Intervention Team.:supergrin:

Advanced
Strategic
Special
Weapons
Interdiction
Proactive
Enforcement

Team:whistling:

Hack
10-26-2012, 21:12
Ding, ding, ding. Winner, winner, chicken dinner!





















MEOW

Newcop761
10-26-2012, 21:55
I'll start using some these terms right meow...or Monday.

CanIhaveGasCash
10-26-2012, 23:14
I absolutely despise the use of "kit". It just makes you sound like you ate a few too many paint chips.

I think surgeons should start calling themselves operators, it makes more sense.

lawman800
10-26-2012, 23:25
I absolutely despise the use of "kit". It just makes you sound like you ate a few too many paint chips.

I think surgeons should start calling themselves operators, it makes more sense.

Anytime someone refers to themselves or their friends as "operators", I ask them if their hands get tired from switching all those phone lines all day.:whistling:

CanIhaveGasCash
10-26-2012, 23:55
Anytime someone refers to themselves or their friends as "operators", I ask them if their hands get tired from switching all those phone lines all day.:whistling:
Well played. :rofl:

k9medic
10-27-2012, 07:33
Circa 1999 my zone partner and I used the term "delta, delta" to identify our rendezvous point in the AM when coming on shift.

It wasn't considered tactical back then, but looking back it probably was very tactical.

Cue the cop jokes but my Sgt. Would have had a fit had we said " meet me at dunkin donuts" on the radio...


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Ship A'Hoy
10-27-2012, 07:39
I have used such jargon as:

Insignificant psychological specimen of humanity

King of the dung heap

Well now, don't think too fast. It might just damage you.


I use "missing a chromosome"

lawman800
10-27-2012, 10:15
Well played. :rofl:

I guess they can also be amusement park workers that push the on/off button for the rides.:whistling:

Circa 1999 my zone partner and I used the term "delta, delta" to identify our rendezvous point in the AM when coming on shift.

It wasn't considered tactical back then, but looking back it probably was very tactical.

Cue the cop jokes but my Sgt. Would have had a fit had we said " meet me at dunkin donuts" on the radio...


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We just used the street number for whatever place we are meeting at or if there is nothing else out there, we say "9-11 at North"... that's nine eleven, not nine one one.:wavey:

P.S. The local donut place was "400".

I use "missing a chromosome"

I say, "It's time to pour some bleach in the gene pool."

countrygun
10-27-2012, 13:39
We used

"will be at the "Observation Post" next to the Parking Lot at ..(address next to the coffee shop) checking for car prowls."

silverado_mick
10-27-2012, 14:06
I've been using "stuck on stupid" a lot lately. Not sure how tacticool it is but I like it...

countrygun
10-27-2012, 14:21
I've been using "stuck on stupid" a lot lately. Not sure how tacticool it is but I like it...

You ever hear of,

"The Cousin factor" ?


as in "cousins should not marry"

Hack
10-27-2012, 18:22
You ever hear of,

"The Cousin factor" ?


as in "cousins should not marry"

Hmm ... not having experience in this area, I thought that was close, (by DNA ).

Sent from my communicator.

lawman800
10-27-2012, 18:25
We used

"will be at the "Observation Post" next to the Parking Lot at ..(address next to the coffee shop) checking for car prowls."

That's for rooks!

Everyone knows the best place is the CP (Command Post), which is the big bathroom stall at the local stop n rob which the owner lets us use.