View Full Version : Ted Turner: I Think It's Good US Troops Are Commiting Suicide
What a piece of ****!! :steamed:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/25/Ted-Turner-I-Think-Its-Good-US-Troops-Are-Commiting-Suicide
Detectorist
10-25-2012, 23:23
I would have reached across the table and bic## slapped him. What a POS.
czsmithGT
10-25-2012, 23:40
Interesting how someone smart enough to make ten fortunes in business can be such a low life scum bag.
NeverMore1701
10-26-2012, 00:07
He needs to be beaten with a 3' garden hose filled with sand every day for the rest of his life.
Lone_Wolfe
10-26-2012, 00:20
He needs to be beaten with a 3' garden hose filled with sand every day for the rest of his life.
May I have the first day?
NeverMore1701
10-26-2012, 00:25
May I have the first day?
Absolutely!
Not to stand up for TT (or his ex POS wife) but the way I read it from the interview he was commenting more on the fact that these soldiers are feeling the guilt of taking human life and killing themselves. More so saying that it is wrong to kill and they as humans cannot live with that guilt applauding the soldiers moral code. Don't think he was showing any contempt for the US servicemen, just being a completely insensitive rich dousch...
PBCounty
10-26-2012, 00:27
Umm...not that the topic video wasn't more shocking but did you see the "bizzare" Obama ad video on the right?
Lone_Wolfe
10-26-2012, 00:28
Absolutely!
Good! I'm sure ther'll be no shortage of volunteers for each day after that.
Lone_Wolfe
10-26-2012, 00:30
Not to stand up for TT (or his ex POS wife) but the way I read it from the interview he was commenting more on the fact that these soldiers are feeling the guilt of taking human life and killing themselves. More so saying that it is wrong to kill and they as humans cannot live with that guilt applauding the soldiers moral code. Don't think he was showing any contempt for the US servicemen, just being a completely insensitive rich dousch...
As a veteran who considered suicide several times since my deployment, I can tell you that wasn't the reason why. Not even close.
faawrenchbndr
10-26-2012, 02:18
As a veteran who considered suicide several times since my deployment, I can tell you that wasn't the reason why. Not even close.
I can understand your pain, but pease don't. :crying:
Amen.
He married whom.Self full-filling prophecies.'08.
1st, I hope he did NOT say that (didn't click the link yet, not sure if my heart can take this...)
2nd, if he did he would be such a total jackhole, man o man he'd be like puke with with poop.
Here is some background information on Ted Turner, slime hole.
His father, Robert Edward Turner II committed suicide on March 5th, 1963. Sadly, he waited 25 years too late to do that deed.
His dad Robert enlisted in the Navy in 1941, taking his wife and Ted's sister with him to the gulf. Ted was left behind with relatives. It is reported that Ted felt "abandoned".
Ted's father was bi-polar (and possibly also bi-sexual, it has been rumored). He (Robert, aka "Ed") is also reported to have abused Ted for a number of years.
Ted Turner is himself bi-polar (hard to envision with all that free space floating in the cranium).
Dude has been married and divorced three times - clearly a bastion of stability.
Ok. I got some green tea before I looked at the clip.
When you get old, sometimes the jackhole in you suppresses common sense and decency.
There is no misconstruing what he said, or what he meant. I would LOVE to send him a black and white striped outfit for his next safari hunt in Africa.
At the very least his statement was grossly insensitive, false and lacking in any foundation based on fact or logic.
At worst, he should simply consume copious quantities of fecal manner, and arrive at asystole as a result of asphyxiation. (eat ****, choke, and die).
First I'd like to say thank you Lone Wolf for your serving. I served too but got out before the sand box party's... I don't understand the whole suicide issue not having walked in your shoes or having served in combat. Growing up in NYC as an Italian/Irish Catholic I expect the daily beat down of life and apperciate the rare occasion when things go smooth. My issue is trying not to end annoying ass hats who make a difficult life even more harder. Thru my strong faith I dismiss destructive thoughts thus saving myself and deserving others. Hope you have worked things out for yourself or have spoken with someone about the occasional suicidal thoughts. From your posts I feel that you are a pretty decent fella and it would be a shame to lose another vet and decent person. Good luck man.
First I'd like to say thank you Lone Wolf for your serving. I served too but got out before the sand box party's... I don't understand the whole suicide issue not having walked in your shoes or having served in combat. Growing up in NYC as an Italian/Irish Catholic I expect the daily beat down of life and apperciate the rare occasion when things go smooth. My issue is trying not to end annoying ass hats who make a difficult life even more harder. Thru my strong faith I dismiss destructive thoughts thus saving myself and deserving others. Hope you have worked things out for yourself or have spoken with someone about the occasional suicidal thoughts. From your posts I feel that you are a pretty decent fella and it would be a shame to lose another vet and decent person. Good luck man.
Good post, and thank you as well for your service.
Lone_Wolfe is a girl. :)
Here is is written out, for those who hate video as much as me.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/25/ted-turner-military-suicides-outnumbering-combat-deaths-is-good/
Beyond that comment, he shows a complete lack of understanding of war that would put him in good standing in GNG Lounge os Political Issues. Maybe he could discuss with Glock Talkers like Jeepx who think career soldiers are just welfare leeches. In short - everything you all say about him is true, but he's still no worse than plenty of members of GT. Probably better than some.
NH Trucker
10-26-2012, 04:49
He needs to be beaten with a 3' garden hose filled with sand every day for the rest of his life.
I want a turn. ******* that POS :steamed:
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IndyGunFreak
10-26-2012, 04:59
Not to stand up for TT (or his ex POS wife) but the way I read it from the interview he was commenting more on the fact that these soldiers are feeling the guilt of taking human life and killing themselves. More so saying that it is wrong to kill and they as humans cannot live with that guilt applauding the soldiers moral code. Don't think he was showing any contempt for the US servicemen, just being a completely insensitive rich dousch...
Exactly. That was how I took it also when I heard the video.
That said, the remark was totally inappropriate(even in the context it was made).
IndyGunFreak
10-26-2012, 05:04
As a veteran who considered suicide several times since my deployment, I can tell you that wasn't the reason why. Not even close.
Well, and any logical person understands that... but we're talking Ted Turner. I think more than Ted saying he thinks it's "good" soldiers are committing suicide (again, no matter how badly he misunderstands their reasoning and the issues htey face), he wasn't saying he enjoys hearing about their suicides as the thread title implied.
Again though, it still came across as him being a complete and total idiot, but.. I don't think he meant it the way the thread title implied.
I'll add, Turner and many non-military people seem to be assuming that soldiers are killing themselves out of guilt over killing others. I suspect the reality is FAR different. If you could look at the reasons, I'm betting cheating wives and girlfriends would top the list, followed by depression over issues unrelated to fighting.
If anybody can find the statistics, I'd be interested to see if support troops commit suicide at a higher rate than combat arms troops. The Army has said "a substantial proportion of Army suicides are committed by soldiers who never deployed."
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036127_soldiers_suicide_combat.html#ixzz2AP1SD6k3
IndyGunFreak
10-26-2012, 05:15
If you could look at the reasons, I'm betting cheating wives and girlfriends would top the list, followed by depression over issues unrelated to fighting.
I would absolutely agree with that (non-military here)
roger123
10-26-2012, 05:26
I'll add, Turner and many non-military people seem to be assuming that soldiers are killing themselves out of guilt over killing others. I suspect the reality is FAR different. If you could look at the reasons, I'm betting cheating wives and girlfriends would top the list, followed by depression over issues unrelated to fighting.
If anybody can find the statistics, I'd be interested to see if support troops commit suicide at a higher rate than combat arms troops. The Army has said "a substantial proportion of Army suicides are committed by soldiers who never deployed."
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036127_soldiers_suicide_combat.html#ixzz2AP1SD6k3
I'm Navy and not boots on ground by any means but we have a fair number Sailors kill themselves as we'll. My one guy that succeeded did it (I believe) because of a "love triangle" and his upcoming perform to serve review. He was probably going to be forced out of the Navy via the stupidest program every designed and I think it put him over the edge. Guy had three little kids, very sad. I feel the worst for his family and Chief who found him hanging from the overhead in the HPAC room.
I too have to agreed with M1a65. The article and video is taken out of context.
With that siad, I bet if you look at military members deaths that are non combat related, suicide is probably #1 or #2 over training, driving, or other non-combatant roles. When I was in we had the same problems that the civies have on the outside
rape
murder
DUI
suicides
etc....
I believe in both wars in the sand boxes, the suicides trends where both on the raise.
I also find it hard to believe that one who has never served, never been on a deployment or operation can judge what a military member is going thru, the feelings they encounter and depression that hits them, it's hard , no matter how you look at it . And even harder upon those with family members.
Not to stand up for TT (or his ex POS wife) but the way I read it from the interview he was commenting more on the fact that these soldiers are feeling the guilt of taking human life and killing themselves. More so saying that it is wrong to kill and they as humans cannot live with that guilt applauding the soldiers moral code. Don't think he was showing any contempt for the US servicemen, just being a completely insensitive rich dousch...
I am not sure what interview he watched. He said: "I think it's good that they are killing themselves..."
and he attributes this to the fact that humans are not predisposed to kill.
Let me repeat: He says that it is good that US service members are killing themselves - more of them than who are dying in combat.
walt cowan
10-26-2012, 07:38
What a piece of ****!! :steamed:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/25/Ted-Turner-I-Think-Its-Good-US-Troops-Are-Commiting-Suicide
teddy's own father took himself out. time for ted follow family tradition.
Lampshade
10-26-2012, 08:03
Let me repeat: He says that it is good that US service members are killing themselves - more of them than who are dying in combat.
Yes, and let me repeat the context that you are clearly intent on ignoring...
He's not saying its good that they are killing themselves because he has spite or malice against the soldiers, what he is saying is that the problems these soldiers face speaks well of humanity in that soldiers, despite doing what they are trained to do, ultimately have a pretty severe aversion to this thing called war.
War is ugly and it speaks well of humanity that it causes such problems, rather than everybody flourishing off of it.
I think its good, because its so clear that we are programmed and we're born to love and help each other, not to kill each other, to destroy each other, because that's an abberation.
Agree or disagree with his statement, only an idiot would infer that he has something against the troops from the remark.
Yes, and let me repeat the context that you are clearly intent on ignoring...
He's not saying its good that they are killing themselves because he has spite or malice against the soldiers, what he is saying is that the problems these soldiers face speaks well of humanity in that soldiers, despite doing what they are trained to do, ultimately have a pretty severe aversion to this thing called war.
War is ugly and it speaks well of humanity that it causes such problems, rather than everybody flourishing off of it.
Agree or disagree with his statement, only an idiot would infer that he has something against the troops from the remark.
You too have a auditory and processing problem. Let me guess, liberal, yes?
He - as you are reinforcing, has something against "war" (here is a hint sweetheart - it's natural, your own body wages war in the use of white blood cells and other phagocytic cells against other cells and nasties) .
Sometimes violence is one of the few tools available to solve a problem. You not Turner may not LIKE or accept that fact, but so it is.
Since you, and Ted both have something against war, I infer that both of you likewise has something against the tools of war - guns, soldiers, marines, etc.
Now since we are all idiotic mouth breathers here, why don't you tell us what he means when he says:
...I think it's good, because it's so clear that we're programmed and we're born to love and help each other, not to kill each other, to destroy each other...
Please tell us, in what context is it socially acceptable for us to say it is good for anyone engaged in any lawful activity, to kill themselves as a result of engaging in that activity - PARTICULARLY the selfless act of defending one's country?
There are lots of idiots in the world, thankfully, I know they are not who you claim they are. I know at least one lives in close proximity to your nearest neighbor.
-G
Lampshade
10-26-2012, 09:54
He - as you are reinforcing, has something against "war"
Of course. Everyone with a brain should have something against war.
That's not to say that there aren't wars that need to be fought, but that doesn't change the fact that there is still plenty about war to which people are rightly averse, even when war is just and necessary.
Sometimes violence is one of the few tools available to solve a problem.
Duh.
Since you, and Ted both have something against war, I infer that both of you likewise has something against the tools of war - guns, soldiers, marines, etc.
Uh huh. You can drop the manufactured outrage.
You can disagree with what Ted said, but in no way did his comments carry any malice towards soldiers.
Please tell us, in what context is it socially acceptable for us to say it is good for anyone engaged in any lawful activity, to kill themselves as a result of engaging in that activity - PARTICULARLY the selfless act of defending one's country?
No doubt he could have been a little more tactful with the point he was making.
However, he is not saying soldiers killing themselves in and of itself is good, he simply sees positive implications for humanity in that such conflicts cause serious personal problems. He thinks that tells us something good about ourselves.
Agree or disagree, but don't try to make his statement out as being "anti-soldier," and certainly don't be intellectually dishonest by omitting the full context of his remark.
I'll add, Turner and many non-military people seem to be assuming that soldiers are killing themselves out of guilt over killing others. I suspect the reality is FAR different. If you could look at the reasons, I'm betting cheating wives and girlfriends would top the list, followed by depression over issues unrelated to fighting.
If anybody can find the statistics, I'd be interested to see if support troops commit suicide at a higher rate than combat arms troops. The Army has said "a substantial proportion of Army suicides are committed by soldiers who never deployed."
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/036127_soldiers_suicide_combat.html#ixzz2AP1SD6k3
I think Bren states a good point, but remember that in Iraq especially and Afghanistan even the "support" troops frequently faced/face significant danger. An example is a friend of mine who now makes the $$$ doing satellite work for ESPN.
He often went to forward fire support bases to install & maintain SatCom. He had a toolbox AND a rifle; the few days he was at the forward areas, he was always warned to be prepared to repel in attack.
Military service is stressful, even for service members stationed in the US. A long time ago, I was a civilian USAF employee, and there were a disturbing number of attempts and successes of service members.
Never underestimate the danger of homesickness and Dear John/Jane letters from someone who promised to wait at home.
In short, I think the idea that uniformed people are killing themselves at the prospect of killing or in response to having killed, is unsupported. Stress caused depression & despair is a far better explanation.
Ted Turner, get your head out of your stupid ass. And go play with gasoline & matches afterward.
Since you, and Ted both have something against war, I infer that both of you likewise has something against the tools of war - guns, soldiers, marines, etc.
That is a foolish assertion and conclusion, and you a resorting to a personal attack. Any civilized person has something against war, and sees war as an evil to be used as a last resort.
Norman Schwarzkopf expressed this opinion. Do you also assert that HE has something against guns, soldiers, Marines, etc.?
KalashniKEV
10-26-2012, 10:25
I suspect the reality is FAR different. If you could look at the reasons, I'm betting cheating wives and girlfriends would top the list, followed by depression over issues unrelated to fighting.
1) Women
2) Money
3) Wasted Potential/ "How did I get where I am in this life..."
4) "Nobody understands me" / "They don't know we're at war"
series1811
10-26-2012, 10:42
What would you expect out of somebody who would marry Hanoi Jane?
That is a foolish assertion and conclusion, and you a resorting to a personal attack. Any civilized person has something against war, and sees war as an evil to be used as a last resort.
Norman Schwarzkopf expressed this opinion. Do you also assert that HE has something against guns, soldiers, Marines, etc.?
The point being made is that Leftist use their aversion to war as a motive to hate the US troops.
Of course this was loathing was never extended to the VietCong.
That is a foolish assertion and conclusion, and you a resorting to a personal attack. Any civilized person has something against war, and sees war as an evil to be used as a last resort.
Norman Schwarzkopf expressed this opinion. Do you also assert that HE has something against guns, soldiers, Marines, etc.?
I will gladly accept your verifiable link showing where Gen Schwarzkopf said war was evil, since I believe you are being duplicitous in not posting the entire context of his statement.
Nothing that you quoted of mine was untrue, or an assertion, or foolish, or a personal attack. I find it odd you would think someone who hates war would be so indifferent to the tools of war.
It is your opinion that war is evil. It is mine that violence is sometimes necessary, a tool just like flirting, seduction, espionage, deception, education, the stick, the carrot, etc.
Gen. Norman S was a long standing volunteer in our Army. I believe this is what you are referring to:
"A professional soldier understands that war means killing people, war means maiming people, war means families left without fathers and mothers. All you have to do is hold your first dying soldier in your arms, and have that terribly futile feeling that his life is flowing out and you can't do anything about it. Then you understand the horror of war. Any soldier worth his salt should be antiwar. And still there are things worth fighting for."
-- H. Norman Schwarzkopf
The person whose statements are most closely word for word correct with what you posted was former president, James Earl "Jimmy" Carter Jr. :)
In any event Gen. Schwarzkopf also said that after war, society enjoys the benefits of war research. Does that statement means he liked war? No, only an idiot (pay attention) would infer either one or the other.
War (violence) is horrible, and can be devastating on the mind. Outside the warm cozy confines of the USA, where we are blanketed and cocooned by many layers of national law enforcement agencies and local police agencies, we often fail to understand how thin the veneer is between what we call civilization and reality. The modern construct of civilization is almost a complete fallacy.We (in the USA) are "civilized" because of the level of force we project on the national front, and the levels of force we project thru-out our communities. We are not civilized because collectively we arrived at a point of enlightened utopia on how to co-exist with each other.
This was my last post on this thread, and probably to you and Lampshade. There are some folks I engage into dialogue with, because even when I disagree with their perspectives, I see the potential of self or mutual increased understanding. You two are not people I would seek out to engage in discussion in real life.
Respectfully,
- G
Lampshade
10-27-2012, 07:39
I will gladly accept your verifiable link showing where Gen Schwarzkopf said war was evil, since I believe you are being duplicitous in not posting the entire context of his statement.
Kinda like when you quote Ted Turner saying he thinks its good soldiers are killing themselves, yet completely omit the rest of his statement explaining what he means.
Lampshade
10-27-2012, 07:51
This was my last post on this thread, and probably to you and Lampshade. There are some folks I engage into dialogue with, because even when I disagree with their perspectives, I see the potential of self or mutual increased understanding. You two are not people I would seek out to engage in discussion in real life.
Lol, not able to compose a valid rebuttal, eh?
May I have the first day?
Go for it, sweetheart :smootchie:
Drain You
10-27-2012, 09:17
What Ted actually said: not so bad
What people wanted to hear him say: OMGWARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGLEBARGLE DEATH TO TED!
I will gladly accept your verifiable link showing where Gen Schwarzkopf said war was evil, since I believe you are being duplicitous in not posting the entire context of his statement.
You found it, and by doing so, you just destroyed your entire argument that lampshade is anti-troop by quoting what I was referring to... what Schwarzkopf said regarding war:
Any soldier worth his salt should be antiwar.
This is your assertion:
Since you, and Ted both have something against war, I infer that both of you likewise has something against the tools of war - guns, soldiers, marines, etc.
Clearly, the General has something against war; antiwar means "against war." Using your reasoning, the General is also "has something against the the tools of war - guns, soldiers, marines, etc."
This was my last post on this thread, and probably to you and Lampshade. There are some folks I engage into dialogue with, because even when I disagree with their perspectives, I see the potential of self or mutual increased understanding. You two are not people I would seek out to engage in discussion in real life.
Respectfully,
- G
How does this statement comport to your personal attack that lampshade is anti-troop because he is anti-war?
And how does your personal attack comport to respect?
One final statement:
War is the ultimate act of diplomacy. It should be used sparingly and only as a last result. It weakens the military, and it is bad for the long-term economy because many service members who would have done their time and returned to produce in the civilian economy are dead or disabled.
Then there is the horrible pain inflicted upon the friends and family of those service members.
War is much like surgery. It is a last resort, and a necessary evil.
The point being made is that Leftist use their aversion to war as a motive to hate the US troops.
Of course this was loathing was never extended to the VietCong.
No, he was making a specific accusation against an individual.
Using a broad brush to paint someone who hates war as hating the troops simply because some people is unfounded. The general rule does not necessarily apply to the specific, and that is assuming that anyone who is anti-war is anti-troop.
Clutch Cargo
10-28-2012, 06:44
He needs to watch his mouth. An unbalanced soldier may make it a murder/suicide.
He needs to watch his mouth. An unbalanced soldier may make it a murder/suicide.
I know you didn't mean it this way, but this sounds a tad insulting towards soldiers. The soldiers who come back from combat zones and kill are rare, even though you'd think from the news coverage that it is common.
Annoyedgrunt
10-28-2012, 13:17
Lol, not able to compose a valid rebuttal, eh?
That's largely what passes for "debate" around here, nowadays. It's the gunboard equivalent of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and shouting "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALA YOU HATE THE TROOPS AND/OR AMERICA LALALALA I DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU SAY, I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG..."
Also, this isn't necessarily a hard and fast rule, but I've found that it's often the ones who've never served themselves that shout the loudest about the necessity for war and how others "hate the troops" if they have the audacity to say that war is hell. "It is well that war is so terrible — lest we should grow too fond of it."
TT may have been a bit brazen with the way he said it, but like you've said, it really does go to show that war, whether justified and "necessary" or not, is hell on the troops that wage it. Maybe more people will wake the **** up and start getting serious about bringing the troops home, so they can stop getting blasted to bits by roadside bombs and IED's. How long is this "war on terror" supposed to go on? (Hint: as long as we're over there, there will always be terrorism.)
"They hate us for our freedom"? Then why haven't they attacked Holland for their legalized prostitution and pot bars? No, they hate us because we're there. You can ask any Taliban or Al Quaida fighter why he's warring against the U.S., and he'll tell you two things:
-The U.S.'s unconditional support and backing of Israel;
-The installation of U.S. military bases in muslim holy land.
It's not for me to say what should be done about the whole middle east debacle; it's just depressing as hell to hear on the news about our best and bravest getting killed for a war that seems to be just a giant catch-22.
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