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Tim151515
10-26-2012, 09:51
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/

another interesting piece to the puzzle that was just broke by Fox.

.264 magnum
10-26-2012, 09:53
Wow! So much fail.

Tango 1Zero
10-26-2012, 09:56
Listening to glenn beck hes on right now telling all.

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/themes/TheBlaze/blaze_radio/player/

Bullwinkle J Moose
10-26-2012, 10:00
Just more BHO lies exposed that most of the media will whitewash and cover up.

Hurricanes
10-26-2012, 10:02
Unbelievable.
-Joel

fnfalman
10-26-2012, 10:09
Romney's boys better play it up.

ray9898
10-26-2012, 10:34
WTH? What a cluster.

series1811
10-26-2012, 10:38
It just gets worse and worse, doesn't it? No wonder Obama is trying to keep this one under wraps.

nikerret
10-26-2012, 10:45
According to the article, there was more help than was needed all within reasonable distance. If there is a fight, or a chance of a fight, involving US military/citizens, why not at least send some people in to check it out?

Being in the fight would suck, but I feel almost as bad for those who were capable of helping and not allowed to (if tye evne knew about it).

PocketProtector
10-26-2012, 10:46
Woods and Doherty defied orders to stand down and went to help....and died !!
True heroes died because the biggest POS in American History did NOTHING !!!

vikingsoftpaw
10-26-2012, 10:54
I don't know abut whitewash or coverup, but harkening back to Hurricane Katrina, one can easily say that not everyone collecting a gov't payroll check is competent at what they do.

Anyone remember the name Les Aspen and his connection with the Mogadishu operation?

Cream Soda Kid
10-26-2012, 10:58
Amazing.


I simply don’t understand how those “in charge” could just leave our people to fend for themselves.

cj5mrt
10-26-2012, 12:50
Woods and Doherty defied orders to stand down and went to help....and died !!
True heroes died because the biggest POS in American History did NOTHING !!!

I totally agree with this.

G36's Rule
10-26-2012, 12:56
Wow! So much fail.

Yeah, but why would they refuse to help. What larger issue were they afraid of?

Something stinks to hell in all this.

czsmithGT
10-26-2012, 13:53
Obama, Biden, Petraeus, Panetta, Clinton, Donilon, Clapper, Dempsey, Lew, the whole bunch of them needs to be ****canned on November 6. Some of them should probably even end up in jail, but that will never happen. Another 4 years of this crap and the USA will be no more relevant than Zimbabwe or Venezuela. And while we are at it could we also flush 95% of the so called "main stream journalists" (who should be questioning these idiots) down the toilet?

MannyA
10-26-2012, 14:03
"Stand down" orders to the caliber of men present there that day is as easy to do as "check your balls at the door".

Obama's people would not understand.:steamed::steamed::steamed:

glockman66
10-26-2012, 14:15
Did anyone else happen to hear the question that Joe Biden asked the father of slain Navy SEAL Tyrones Woods' father---something about the size of cue balls?

Providence
10-26-2012, 14:30
Every new revelation makes it worse and worse, and too many people know the truth. I this house of cards will fall. It will take pressure, and the media's active support of the cover up complicates discovery. But with time, it has to fall. Someone will talk.

PBCounty
10-26-2012, 14:49
Did anyone else happen to hear the question that Joe Biden asked the father of slain Navy SEAL Tyrones Woods' father---something about the size of cue balls?

Curious about this too.

cj5mrt
10-26-2012, 15:10
Found this.
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/10/20351-joe-biden-offends-father-of-slain-seal-did-your-son-always-have-balls-the-size-of-cue-balls/

Tango 1Zero
10-26-2012, 15:20
Amazing.


I simply don’t understand how those “in charge” could just leave our people to fend for themselves.

Same! Now I wonder if anyone else was asked to go and didnt? Pisses me off they even said the mortar crew was lased and they said stand down.

Hicksville Kid
10-26-2012, 15:28
Same! Now I wonder if anyone else was asked to go and didnt? Pisses me off they even said the mortar crew was lased and they said stand down.

It's 470 miles from Sigonella, IT (C-130 quick reaction force) to Benghazi, Libya. The C-130 cruises at 330mph. So they were less than two hours away.

And if you want a deeper perspective into why this all happened, read this.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50586?utm_source=CFP+Mailout&utm_campaign=c5150237ca-Call_to_Champions&utm_medium=email

This is FAIL on a grand scale. Just think....this dolt has the nuclear codes.:faint:

oldman11
10-26-2012, 15:38
Obama, Biden, Petraeus, Panetta, Clinton, Donilon, Clapper, Dempsey, Lew, the whole bunch of them needs to be ****canned on November 6. Some of them should probably even end up in jail, but that will never happen. Another 4 years of this crap and the USA will be no more relevant than Zimbabwe or Venezuela. And while we are at it could we also flush 95% of the so called "main stream journalists" (who should be questioning these idiots) down the toilet?
100% agreement.

stevelyn
10-26-2012, 15:39
Anyone remember the name Les Aspen and his connection with the Mogadishu operation?

Another PoS democrap. Anyone see a pattern here?

stevelyn
10-26-2012, 15:40
Anyone remember the name Les Aspen and his connection with the Mogadishu operation?

Another PoS democrap. Anyone see a pattern here?

schild
10-26-2012, 15:43
Plain and simple, Ambassador Chris Stevens died, and Obama lied. Obama is a traitor responsible for the deaths of four AMERICAN HEROES.

Anyone who still supports Obama is truly ****** in the head.

wingryder
10-26-2012, 15:48
If any of this is true, this is treason at the highest level! Leon Pinata stating that the DOD "didn't know enough" to respond... BS!!! you mean to say that the military was afraid to engage without more intel?!? This whole thing stinks... and with wind is blowing from the white house! This guy MUST GO!

BTW, I haven't seen any mention of this on CNN.... so no one will hear a thing about it unless they watch FOX or listen to Beck.

janice6
10-26-2012, 16:21
This is an example of the pathetic ineptitude concentrated in our government. throw the bums out.

cowboy1964
10-26-2012, 16:31
BREAKING: CIA is apparently denying denying help.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/261936225106132993

Wow, with a week and a half to go to the election, this could really start costing Obama... if there is any justice in the world.

G36's Rule
10-26-2012, 16:52
BREAKING: CIA is apparently denying denying help.

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/261936225106132993

Wow, with a week and a half to go to the election, this could really start costing Obama... if there is any justice in the world.

Remember, Hillary told us Facebook and Twitter were not reliable sources of information.

RonS
10-26-2012, 17:00
Just like Lyndon Johnson in Viet Nam, obsessed with avoiding a public relations disaster that might spill over on him and spoil his chances to implement his domestic policies. They really do not care how many people they kill as long as they get their way.

Hicksville Kid
10-26-2012, 17:12
My wife and I saw this this afternoon on Fox. She asked if this would be on NBC. I said no. It won't be on ABC or CBS either, I said. It wasn't. It's easy to look like a genius when you understand the leftist propaganda shills of the Kenya Boys administration. ;-)

concretefuzzynuts
10-26-2012, 17:17
Woods and Doherty defied orders to stand down and went to help....and died !!
True heroes died because the biggest POS in American History did NOTHING !!!

This.

concretefuzzynuts
10-26-2012, 17:20
More reason to vote him out.

RedsoxFan4Lyfe
10-26-2012, 17:34
I am absolutely and completely sickened by this whole mess.

As I sit and here and really think things over it outrages me to my very core, and in every fiber of my being as an American.

To think that two former SEALs, men of honor and commitment and incredible courage ran towards the sounds of gunfire and RPG's to help their fellow American's only to be denied backup and getting killed in the process is beyond disgusting.

It's too much to take really. I can't believe that any American would vote for the people who allowed this to happen. It's a disgrace to America, to the world watching and to the memories of those hero's who have given their lives for this country.

My grandfather fought in World War 2, and for what? To stave off Socialism for another fifty or sixty years? How anyone can even begin to accept the official story of this debacle is beyond comprehension.

Bring_it!
10-26-2012, 17:56
Did anyone else happen to hear the question that Joe Biden asked the father of slain Navy SEAL Tyrones Woods' father---something about the size of cue balls?

Yes, on Beck this am.
That joe clown is a real POS!:steamed:

Averageman
10-26-2012, 18:05
I was reading that one of these guys was actually "painting" targets with a laser to guide in missles. He died with that much hope that someone in his Chain of Command would stand up and support him and do the right thing.
I would really like to hear that radio traffic, at some point I would think these guys would have moved out if they were sure they would not get any support. I am not convinced someone didn't call off the support that might have been on the way.
If we let this go now, then we wont ever get the truth.

concretefuzzynuts
10-26-2012, 18:11
I am absolutely and completely sickened by this whole mess.

As I sit and here and really think things over it outrages me to my very core, and in every fiber of my being as an American.

To think that two former SEALs, men of honor and commitment and incredible courage ran towards the sounds of gunfire and RPG's to help their fellow American's only to be denied backup and getting killed in the process is beyond disgusting.

It's too much to take really. I can't believe that any American would vote for the people who allowed this to happen. It's a disgrace to America, to the world watching and to the memories of those hero's who have given their lives for this country.

My grandfather fought in World War 2, and for what? To stave off Socialism for another fifty or sixty years? How anyone can even begin to accept the official story of this debacle is beyond comprehension.

+1 Thank you.

wingryder
10-26-2012, 18:14
I am absolutely and completely sickened by this whole mess.

As I sit and here and really think things over it outrages me to my very core, and in every fiber of my being as an American.

To think that two former SEALs, men of honor and commitment and incredible courage ran towards the sounds of gunfire and RPG's to help their fellow American's only to be denied backup and getting killed in the process is beyond disgusting.

It's too much to take really. I can't believe that any American would vote for the people who allowed this to happen. It's a disgrace to America, to the world watching and to the memories of those hero's who have given their lives for this country.

My grandfather fought in World War 2, and for what? To stave off Socialism for another fifty or sixty years? How anyone can even begin to accept the official story of this debacle is beyond comprehension.

Great post. I remember a college sociology class where the prof was talking about communism... he told us that the "fall "of USSR was only a phase and that America would fall to communism from within. I thought he was full of it 25 years ago... now it seems prophetic!

How is it that no one can see this coming? It will be too late once the tipping point is reached.

GVFlyer
10-26-2012, 18:17
I don't know abut whitewash or coverup, but harkening back to Hurricane Katrina, one can easily say that not everyone collecting a gov't payroll check is competent at what they do.

Anyone remember the name Les Aspen and his connection with the Mogadishu operation?

Yep, SECDEF who a took a bullet for Bill Clinton over the administrations refusal to provide needed tanks to Somalia in October 1993.
Aspen was dying of cancer anyway.

paynter2
10-26-2012, 18:21
Remember, Hillary told us Facebook and Twitter were not reliable sources of information.

Maybe this is more reliable...

"Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html

SanJuanTrout
10-26-2012, 18:23
Yeah, but why would they refuse to help. What larger issue were they afraid of?

Something stinks to hell in all this.
They did not want a Blackhawk Down situation right before the election. So they left our guys to die. Simple as that.

Grabbrass
10-26-2012, 18:44
So Petraeus has rebutted this now ... it's getting hotter.

Now, watch this, whether you're normally inclined to tolerate Rush Limbaugh or not. It's not what Rush has to say here that you need to hear ... it's the caller.

http://youtu.be/lljKmmZyCiw

jdavionic
10-26-2012, 18:46
It just gets worse and worse, doesn't it? No wonder Obama is trying to keep this one under wraps.

Just needs to keep it suppressed for less than 2 wks.

kirgi08
10-26-2012, 18:50
Good luck with that.'08.

tsmo1066
10-26-2012, 19:27
So much for Administration claims that they didn't have all of the info on the nature of the attack within 24 hours of its occurance. Now we know that the CIA chain of command was getting blow-by-blow radio reports from the embassy and safehouse teams real-time during the entire attack!

They knew EXACTLY what was going on, even as it was happening, and knew full well that this was no "spontaneous riot" over a video tape!

:steamed::steamed::steamed:

LASTRESORT20
10-26-2012, 19:27
Some need to stand on trial when all is done and over with ...This is disgusting....

tsmo1066
10-26-2012, 19:29
Some need to stand on trial when all is done and over with ...This is disgusting....

This is grounds for Impeachment...at a MINIMUM!

PocketProtector
10-26-2012, 19:47
This is grounds for Impeachment...at a MINIMUM!

Impeachment is a process. This calls for incarceration.

G36's Rule
10-26-2012, 20:00
Maybe this is more reliable...

"Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html

I hope you understand I was being facetious?

Bren
10-26-2012, 20:10
Yeah, but why would they refuse to help. What larger issue were they afraid of?

Something stinks to hell in all this.

It does look like one of those things you see in the movies, where the hero eventually uncovers the plot reaching all the way to the white house, huh?

paynter2
10-26-2012, 20:15
I'm getting a little amped about this whole SOS.

Today POxxS was asked about this 'situation'. He said "this had nothing to do with the election". Pee'd down his leg as it were. I guess being Commander in Chief is not part of being President.

Romney and his people need to spend the weekend sorting this out. Making a time-line spread sheet of the lies and changes of story by the admin and it's accomplices.

Then, if there is something there, and I think there is, they (RNC) need to change the debate of the last week (before the election) to: Why the Commander in Chief and his three immediate subordinates - Biden, Clinton, and Panetta - refused to act.

The CIC is responsible. He needs to explain his actions - or lack there of. He can start from the position of correct action. But, he needs to explain his actions with regard to a time-line that is documented with video and audio. He's a politician first and an attorney second - he should understand the importance of telling the truth. THIS IS PART OF THE ELECTION!

Romney needs to make this happen. He needs to turn the screws on the criminals in power - right now.

This is a story of everything military - the trust the military puts in the civilian population. And the obligation that the civilian population has to the military.

It will be interesting to see how this develops - who is left standing after this is sorted out.

P.S. Where's McCain and the 'Republican' Colin Powell? Have they weighed in or has the media suppressed them?

Averageman
10-26-2012, 20:16
You aren't sitting on a roof in a mortar attack painting targets with a laser unless someone is waiting to let missles loose on said targets.
They were cut out and someone returned from the target without firing.
These guys were screwed and someone in the White House knew it was comming.
If they knew help wasn't comming they would have left the A.O.

G36's Rule
10-26-2012, 20:16
It does look like one of those things you see in the movies, where the hero eventually uncovers the plot reaching all the way to the white house, huh?

Keep reading all this that has come out in the last week and it keeps getting worse every day. I'm not a tinfoiler I swear, but this is weird.

G36's Rule
10-26-2012, 20:18
I'm getting a little amped about this whole SOS.

Today POxxS was asked about this 'situation'. He said "this had nothing to do with the election". Pee'd down his leg as it were. I guess being Commander in Chief is not part of being President.

Romney and his people need to spend the weekend sorting this out. Making a time-line spread sheet of the lies and changes of story by the admin and it's accomplices.

Then, if there is something there, and I think there is, they (RNC) need to change the debate of the last week (before the election) to: Why the Commander in Chief and his three immediate subordinates - Biden, Clinton, and Panetta - refused to act.

The CiC is responsible. He needs to explain his actions - or lack there of. He can start from the position of correct action. But, he needs to explain his actions with regard to a time-line that is documented with video and audio. He's a politicina first and an attorney second - he should understand the importance of telling the truth. THIS IS PART OF THE ELECTION!

Romney needs to make this happen. He needs to turn the screws on the criminals in power - right now.

This is a story of everything military - the trust the military puts in the civilian population. And the obligation that the civilian population has to the military.

It will be interesting to see how this develops - who is left standing after this is sorted out.

P.S. Where's McCain and the 'Republican' Colin Powell? Have they weighed in or has the media suppressed them?

Colin Powell is too busy endorsing Obama, I don't think he cares.

Averageman
10-26-2012, 20:20
You folks need to listen to the LTC.
Think about what would you do? Stay or leave?
They were obviously promised support or they would have left with what folks they had if they weren't going to get any support from air.
WHY PAINT TARGETS?

matt_n03
10-26-2012, 20:23
All this crap about Obama not knowing about the attacks for hours is total crap. The President of the United States not aware within minutes of an attack on a high ranking US official. Yeah, right. I'll bet my life that the WH knew if not as it was happening than within minutes. This country keeps track of every single electronic transmission on the planet, yet the volume of cables coming from that area was so great that the government was not capable of alerting the President to an attack for a couple of hours.

GAFinch
10-26-2012, 20:39
They helped Islamofascists overthrow stable governments in Libya and Egypt. These Islamofascists are now smuggling weapons into Palestinian territories, threatening Israel, and calling for a new caliphate. The assault was being monitored overhead by a drone with multiple military assets an hour away. They knew immediately that there was no protest. They peacefully went to sleep that night instead of staying up and fretting over what to do, then flew to Vegas the next day.

At this point, we can assume this is treason until proven otherwise.

G17Jake
10-26-2012, 20:50
Maybe this is more reliable...

"Petraeus Throws Obama Under the Bus"

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/petraeus-throws-obama-under-bus_657896.html

From the link....


So who in the government did tell “anybody” not to help those in need?


my guess is Valerie Jarrett told Barry.

stevelyn
10-26-2012, 20:57
It does look like one of those things you see in the movies, where the hero eventually uncovers the plot reaching all the way to the white house, huh?

It reminds me of the movie Rules of Engagement excepteveryone in the administration and lamestream media is playing the part of the NSA a-hole character in the cover-up.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160797/fullcredits#cast

When an American embassy in a foreign country calls and tells you they are under attack and need help, you either:

A) Send in a quick reaction force to repel the attack and secure the embassy and personnel or........

B) Send in a quick reaction force to rescue and cover the evacuation of embassy personnel and classified material.

There are no other choices. :steamed:

railfancwb
10-26-2012, 20:58
Not to worry...signed pardons will be handed out as you leave the White House...


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Cmacc
10-26-2012, 21:14
GO BACK TO POST #43 and listen to a man with inside knowledge, explain to Rush Limbaugh's audience, the level of failure in this situation. 12 of the most enlightening minutes you will here in the media this year.

Averageman
10-26-2012, 21:15
If I paint a target it is logged.
The L and L is given and it is noted in the log files. If you send this forward it is logged several places.
Pkay then fomer SEALS now CIA OPS go forward, fight and ask for support and then paint targets with a laser and no one responds?
WTF?
Do you not get it?
Thats it you are done because the COC wants reelected.
You dont see this?

kirgi08
10-26-2012, 21:16
This is grounds for Impeachment...at a MINIMUM!

Let the election go forth,if the one wins start the process.If'n he don't win,start a felony murder case.'08. :cool:

Providence
10-27-2012, 03:40
So Petraeus has rebutted this now ... it's getting hotter.

Now, watch this, whether you're normally inclined to tolerate Rush Limbaugh or not. It's not what Rush has to say here that you need to hear ... it's the caller.

http://youtu.be/lljKmmZyCiwthis is worth watching.

hotpig
10-27-2012, 06:47
Just more BHO lies exposed that most of the media will whitewash and cover up.

Americans do not care. Now interrupt Dancing with the Stars or Survivor, worse yet slow down the speed of Iphones then you will piss people off.

hotpig
10-27-2012, 06:49
It reminds me of the movie Rules of Engagement excepteveryone in the administration and lamestream media is playing the part of the NSA a-hole character in the cover-up.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160797/fullcredits#cast

When an American embassy in a foreign country calls and tells you they are under attack and need help, you either:

A) Send in a quick reaction force to repel the attack and secure the embassy and personnel or........

B) Send in a quick reaction force to rescue and cover the evacuation of embassy personnel and classified material.

There are no other choices. :steamed:

Wrong, new America new choice. A) Do nothing so that Muslims do not get hurt.

Averageman
10-27-2012, 09:53
http://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/obama-was-asleep.jpg?w=500CO Interview: Obama Pressed On Lack Of Answers On Benghazi Attack - YouTube


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/father-slain-seal-who-made-decision-not-save-my-son_657782.html
http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2012/10/benghazi-something-was-on-station-to-engage-laser.html
If you are an American and this does not make you angry you might want to look a little harder at it.
The Lie is getting told loud enough and long enough until people dont even see the truth. These guys were left out to die.

Carrys
10-27-2012, 11:27
Amazing.


I simply don’t understand how those “in charge” could just leave our people to fend for themselves.

It's because those "in charge" are amatures.

They decided to let their fellow citizens, including a quite popular and successful ambassador..... be murdered rather than let the truth about what they were doing there get out. Especially to it's own people....shipping the arms gathered up after the Libyan debacle to Syria.

IMO of course.



Hide and watch.:shocked:

Averageman
10-27-2012, 11:51
This interview was given by the POTUS to CBS's Steve Kroft on the 12th, one day after the attack.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/24/Obama-Told-60-Minutes-On-Sept-12-That-Attackers-Were-Targeting-Americans-From-The-Start
CBS sat on it and didnt release it until the 19th one day after the debate. Now it comes out and shows the POTUS knew it was an attack by Islamic extreamists targeting Americans, But you wont see that. He continued to blame the video and go on 5 more programs and blame the video.
CBS buried this until after the debate, one might think so as to not give Romney any more speaking points than he already had available on this matter.
In the end someone was in the air with available support, where they went and what happened has yet to be made clear.
No one died in Watergate, this is an issue of honesty and National Security. Where is the outrage?

Averageman
10-27-2012, 11:58
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57539738/u.s-military-poised-for-rescue-in-benghazi/
So help was an hour away and the fight went on for 7 + hours and no one could get there. Makes you kinda wonder why targets were being painted with a laser if no one was in the air now doesn't it?

And as we slowly circle the drain,...for your entertainment.
Obama event goers on Benghazi: What?!? - YouTube

scwine
10-27-2012, 12:31
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/6053/53065447862999451028154.jpg


I hope he doesn't need the SEAL's too bad in his future.

phil evans
10-27-2012, 13:21
Totally inept republican response -
to forestall dialogue on this scandal
by permitting the house/executive to hold
comments until after election.

Averageman
10-27-2012, 13:31
Totally inept republican response -
to forestall dialogue on this scandal
by permitting the house/executive to hold
comments until after election.
Totally right, but rather than a Democrat or a Republican responce I would like to see an American responce.
I do not believe we can respond to this in a partisan manner. The Democrats need to be as up in arms about this as the Republicans.
Not one of these guys died with an (R) or a (D) behind their name, they died as Americans and as a whole I think every American ought to be pretty up in arms about the responce this is getting in the News media and by our Politicans.
Look again at that Youtube video, that is our future right there and thats the kind of crap they want.

Bren
10-27-2012, 14:51
It reminds me of the movie Rules of Engagement excepteveryone in the administration and lamestream media is playing the part of the NSA a-hole character in the cover-up.

The movies usually forget that, during some administrations, 90% of the press can be counted on to help with a cover-up.

jdavionic
10-27-2012, 20:07
Wow...not sure if you caught it, but Pat Caddell was on FoxNews. He was so emotional that he was on verge of tears over this issue. He expressed complete disgust over the MSM and the administration. He was taking on a level of being deeply hurt and disgusted over what they're doing to this country by covering this up.

wingryder
10-27-2012, 20:19
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/6053/53065447862999451028154.jpg


I hope he doesn't need the SEAL's too bad in his future.
This image angers me because is its true!

GAFinch
10-27-2012, 21:53
Wow...not sure if you caught it, but Pat Caddell was on FoxNews. He was so emotional that he was on verge of tears over this issue. He expressed complete disgust over the MSM and the administration. He was taking on a level of being deeply hurt and disgusted over what they're doing to this country by covering this up.

Pat Caddell on Jeanine Pirro 10/27/2012

Averageman
10-27-2012, 23:14
This explains the laser being used to Target designate.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/27/U-S-Had-Two-Drones-AC-130-Gunship-and-Targets-Painted-In-Benghazi-But-Obama-Didn-t-Pull-The-Trigger
Two drones and a AC 130 Gunship in the air.
The Potus should have a hell of a time explaining this one on the Sunday Shows tomorrow.
Imagine being on the ground fighting for your life and the mission is called off and the Air Support leaves.
This is totally going against the Oath of the Office.

Texas357
10-28-2012, 00:39
So how often do active duty SEALs and CIA officers comment on the record to the press while criticizing their bosses?

Is that good for their careers?

stevelyn
10-28-2012, 01:53
So how often do active duty SEALs and CIA officers comment on the record to the press while criticizing their bosses?

Is that good for their careers?

If you value your career more than you value doing what's right then you are just as big of a scumbag as those running the country.

expatman
10-28-2012, 07:06
So how often do active duty SEALs and CIA officers comment on the record to the press while criticizing their bosses?

Is that good for their careers?

There were no active duty SEALs involved in this incident. These guys were either DSS or civilian security contractors who were former SEALs.

I only say something because it seems, time and again, people keep losing sight of who these guys were.

Providence
10-28-2012, 08:02
I would like bring up something...

The story is being ignored by the major media outlets. Even when it is mentioned, it is minimized. Sandy is the story now, but after Sandy will the story come out? I don't think that is the plan. So... what can we do? What about we make a plan. We are not alone here at GT. Other people are talking about this. Facebook has plenty of talk and pictures. Fox News has a special tonight at 10 pm. But this is not enough. The "choir" is singing by themselves. Even the trolls are avoiding this discussion. Any suggestions?

I'll start. No idea if it will help, but I want to do something.

1. Write your congressmen. Write your Senators!
2. Talk about it to everyone! Be a nag! Post on forums and Facebook. Send emails.

What else can we do to get the story out? Suggestions?

Bren
10-28-2012, 08:44
There were no active duty SEALs involved in this incident. These guys were either DSS or civilian security contractors who were former SEALs.

I only say something because it seems, time and again, people keep losing sight of who these guys were.

Which is: retired Navy SEALs employed by the CIA. Not sure what your were trying to imply, but that takes nothing away from them and adds a little.

Averageman
10-28-2012, 09:19
I cant imagine going through every thing they went through on the ground, picking up a laser designator making target available to air assets above me, then they break contact and leave.
This pack of lies is getting worse.
They were no further than an hour away from Marine Force Recon and more available air support than they could have used.
The fight lasted 7 + hours.
The President is saying he said use all assets available, show me; Show me where the Potus sent that order that night.
If this happened at the Platoon or Company level heads would have rolled and careers would end, what is different at the COC level?

Averageman
10-28-2012, 10:55
Was Gen Ham Releived for not standing down the support ?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/28/general-losing-his-job-over-benghazi/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/has_general_ham_been_fired.html

Bio;
http://www.defense.gov/bios/biographydetail.aspx?biographyid=279

They may have picked the wrong guy to screw with if this is true.

Providence
10-28-2012, 11:31
Was Gen Ham Releived for not standing down the support ?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/28/general-losing-his-job-over-benghazi/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/has_general_ham_been_fired.html

Bio;
http://www.defense.gov/bios/biographydetail.aspx?biographyid=279

They may have picked the wrong guy to screw with if this is true.

Wow! All I can think to say is WOW!

Tango 1Zero
10-28-2012, 11:49
This all smells to high heaven! These dics need burned at the stake for this.

RayB
10-28-2012, 11:57
Fast and Furious was effectively buried, and now this...

If Obama is unseated in November, and some objective digging then ensues, I think you'll find that this has been the dirtiest administration since Nixon.

This one standard for Conservative Republicans and another for Liberal Democrats crap has to stop.

--Ray

Averageman
10-28-2012, 14:07
Bret Baer just gave a very sanitized verzion of what went down on Fox News.
Very Sanitized as I am sure it is at least 4 days behind the updates we have on the internet.
I can assure you that if an AC130 was in the area the targets designated were logged in the files section of the weapons system.
If the POTUS walks on this one, we not he are wrong.
When you let your Warriors down like this, where do you draw future Warriors from to defend your country?

Averageman
10-28-2012, 20:57
http://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/alienface.jpg?w=500
The Obama Administration,...We have you covered.

cgwahl
10-28-2012, 22:23
No idea if this guy is talking out his ass, but if true, it is interesting.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/50586

Averageman
10-29-2012, 07:11
It's pretty crazy that the only folks talking about this are on Fox News or Internet sources.
The worse it gets, the more it gets ignored.
Another link, another Source...
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/10/cinc-goes-awol-seals-in-benghazi-begged-for-help-ac-130-was-on-scene-obama-refused-flew-to-vegas-instead-2512442.html

Averageman
10-29-2012, 07:44
Here is a great source.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/
A lot of this stuff is comming from Spec Ops guys who have started looking pretty hard at this to try and find some answers.
Tell 4 people at work about this today, stir the pot a bit and see if we can get some people wanting answers.
Don't let this die like Fast and Furious, this is crimminal.

hotpig
10-29-2012, 08:22
Probably better in our national interest to let it die. Especially if planes start falling out of the sky or chemical weapons are used.

Henry Kane
10-29-2012, 08:59
The Benghazi Coverup is a "Pretty Made-Up Story"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/28/eleanor_clift_benghazi_cover-up_a_pretty_made-up_story.html

Well, I guess it was easy to make up because what actually happened supports the fabrication. wait...what?!:faint:

Has the bias gotten so bad that reality can just be shrugged off to defend the party line? Don't answer that!

series1811
10-29-2012, 09:06
It's pretty crazy that the only folks talking about this are on Fox News or Internet sources.
The worse it gets, the more it gets ignored.
Another link, another Source...
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/10/cinc-goes-awol-seals-in-benghazi-begged-for-help-ac-130-was-on-scene-obama-refused-flew-to-vegas-instead-2512442.html

It's kind of self-perpeutating because the government operatives who are leaking this stuff also see that only Fox News is covering it, and so that is who they are dropping dimes to. Leaving their friends and co-workers to die is the kind of thing that makes people give up information they would normally sit on.

series1811
10-29-2012, 09:08
The Benghazi Coverup is a "Pretty Made-Up Story"

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/28/eleanor_clift_benghazi_cover-up_a_pretty_made-up_story.html

Well, I guess it was easy to make up because what actually happened supports the fabrication. wait...what?!:faint:

Has the bias gotten so bad that reality can just be shrugged off to defend the party line? Don't answer that!

That woman doesn't have the slightest qualifications to be having an opinion on what happened.

FFR Spyder GT
10-29-2012, 09:24
It's pretty crazy that the only folks talking about this are on Fox News or Internet sources.
The worse it gets, the more it gets ignored.
Another link, another Source...
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/10/cinc-goes-awol-seals-in-benghazi-begged-for-help-ac-130-was-on-scene-obama-refused-flew-to-vegas-instead-2512442.html

Gee, maybe, just maybe, the FoxNoise's unnamed source(s) wasn't credible?

Noticed how in FoxNoise's "news story" they never once named a source of info?

FoxNoise keeps saying "sources on the ground", gee, a kid picking up dog poo on the sidewalk could be a "sources on the ground". :upeyes:

It's hard to believe that if this is true that only FoxNoise would know about it.

Henry Kane
10-29-2012, 09:45
Gee, maybe, just maybe, the FoxNoise's unnamed source(s) wasn't credible?

Noticed how in FoxNoise's "news story" they never once named a source of info?

FoxNoise keeps saying "sources on the ground", gee, a kid picking up dog poo on the sidewalk could be a "sources on the ground". :upeyes:

It's hard to believe that if this is true that only FoxNoise would know about it.

Are you suggesting that because the MSM is ignoring this story, that Fox is fabricating it?

cgwahl
10-29-2012, 10:47
http://www.kfiam640.com/player/?station=KFI-AM&program_name=podcast&program_id=DarkSecretPlace.xml&mid=22575160

Benghazi talk starts at 1:40 in. About the 22 minute mark he talks to a former CIF guy.

series1811
10-29-2012, 11:45
Are you suggesting that because the MSM is ignoring this story, that Fox is fabricating it?

Has anyone checked to see if the Ambassador and the others are really dead? Maybe the Obama supporters are right- maybe it was all just made up to make Obama look bad.

:faint:

hotpig
10-29-2012, 12:13
Has anyone checked to see if the Ambassador and the others are really dead? Maybe the Obama supporters are right- maybe it was all just made up to make Obama look bad.

:faint:

obama said his friend the ambassador and the others were dead. He was insulted that Romney even mention them at the debate.

cgwahl
10-29-2012, 12:16
Has anyone checked to see if the Ambassador and the others are really dead? Maybe the Obama supporters are right- maybe it was all just made up to make Obama look bad.

:faint:



Hmmm, good point. They're probably playing cards at the same place they have the 9/11 plane passengers are housed in.

cgwahl
10-29-2012, 12:17
obama said his friend the ambassador and the others were dead. He was insulted that Romney even mention them at the debate.


Probably cause he was hoping it would have gotten swept under the rug by then. Unfortunately for him, people keep moving the rug.

series1811
10-29-2012, 12:32
obama said his friend the ambassador and the others were dead. He was insulted that Romney even mention them at the debate.

With a friend like Obama, you sure don't need any enemies.

Providence
10-29-2012, 13:31
Here is a great source.
http://www.blackfive.net/main/
A lot of this stuff is comming from Spec Ops guys who have started looking pretty hard at this to try and find some answers.
Tell 4 people at work about this today, stir the pot a bit and see if we can get some people wanting answers.
Don't let this die like Fast and Furious, this is crimminal.

Good site! I agree that we must keep talking about this.

concretefuzzynuts
10-29-2012, 13:35
I talk about it to my friends who watch the MSN. I've got them doing their own research with a few key facts they aren't hearing about.

They are discovering the truth and are very angry at the obvious cover up.

Averageman
10-30-2012, 18:08
http://www.defensenews.com/article/20121029/DEFREG04/310290007/McKeon-Obama-Your-Libya-Remarks-Sound-8216-Implausible-8217-?odyssey=nav%7Chead
Some Folks in the know have seen this for what it is.
“Your ... directive would appear to involve potential actions by the U.S. military,” McKeon wrote.
“There appears to be a discrepancy between your directive and the actions taken by the Department of Defense. As we are painfully aware, despite the fact that the military had resources in the area, the military did not deploy any assets to secure U.S. personnel in Benghazi during the hours the consulate and the annex were under attack,” the HASC chairman wrote.
“I find it implausible that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the commander of U.S. Africa Command and the commander of U.S. European Command would have ignored a direct order from the commander in chief,” the letter states.

Averageman
10-30-2012, 18:15
Even the LA Times wants some answers?
Hmmmmmm I think the MSM may be picking up the idea.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-benghazi-obama-romney-campaign-20121030,0,5017531.story

Averageman
10-30-2012, 18:26
Now exactly what did Gen Ham do and why did he suddenly decide to retire?
We have conflicting stories and several sources but the spin continues.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/29/general-center-benghazi-gate-controversy-retiring/
All I can say is I would sure like to hear what the General has to say...

Averageman
10-30-2012, 18:36
Ret. Adm Lyons wants answers too!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/28/lyonsobama-needs-come-clean-what-happened-benghazi/?page=all#pagebreak

Averageman
10-30-2012, 19:38
A good time line up to about about 22 October.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/15/1014241/timline-benghazi-attack/?mobile=nc
This shows a lot of misinformation and outright lies to cover this up.

Averageman
10-30-2012, 20:49
Tunisia has this Man as one of the Benghazi Terrorists.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/ap-tunisian-officials-make-arrest-in-benghazi-consulate-terror-attack/
He posted real time info on the attack then fled for Syria, but was arrested in Turkey.
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/turkey-sends-benghazi-attack-suspect-tunisia-trial/
And this administration gave Tunisia 100 Million in aid earlier this year.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/29/204055.html
And WHY dont we have him yet?
Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.

cgwahl
11-02-2012, 18:40
http://glocktalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=228815&stc=1&d=1351903203

Glockdude1
11-03-2012, 05:10
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/obama-denied-navy-seals-call-for-help-osama-bin-laden-meme.jpg

:cool: