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BULLRUNN
10-26-2012, 19:06
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhypQPX7hWbNKgLdXF

Video: Old Dominion University Student Snaps On Police After Being Ran Over By Officer!

Not sure if the first link works... WOW JUST WOW...

blueiron
10-26-2012, 19:11
Two hypotheses here:

A) Someone's mommy didn't wipe their bum enough when they were very young.

B) Someone's mommy wiped their bum all the way into their teen age years.

I vote 'B'.

OLY-M4gery
10-26-2012, 19:34
If you listen, the video starts with him complaining he ALMOST got hit.

Mattz
10-26-2012, 19:36
Sad display of police presence, but I suppose it trickles down from the top.

GlockPride
10-26-2012, 19:40
If I spoke with anyone that way my dad would've whooped my ass so hard I'd still be feeling it!

Sam Spade
10-26-2012, 19:41
IMO, a citizen who was faced with that display would have been justified in knocking the mouth on his butt. I'm not sure that the officer's restraint is laudable.

blueiron
10-26-2012, 19:44
Sad display of police presence, but I suppose it trickles down from the top.

University Police are not and cannot afford to be hard chargers. They work for liberal administrators who are not cops, have zero law enforcement background, and generally do not appreciate or like police.

If a university cop acted like a 17 year veteran of LAPD's 77st division or any other metro PD, they'd be fired within the first week of FTO.

Mattz
10-26-2012, 19:53
University Police are not and cannot afford to be hard chargers. They work for liberal administrators who are not cops, have zero law enforcement background, and generally do not appreciate or like police.

If a university cop acted like a 17 year veteran of LAPD's 77st division or any other metro PD, they'd be fired within the first week of FTO.

Oh no... I get that... but there were points to that video, especially when he slams down his skateboard and takes a position where it appears he's going to assault one of the cops that you would think the nanny gloves would come off.

groovyash
10-26-2012, 20:01
University Police are not and cannot afford to be hard chargers. They work for liberal administrators who are not cops, have zero law enforcement background, and generally do not appreciate or like police.

If a university cop acted like a 17 year veteran of LAPD's 77st division or any other metro PD, they'd be fired within the first week of FTO.

Depends on the department... Around here the Pitt cops will put boot to ass just as fast as anybody working for the city with the addition that they will go the extra mile to get the actor thrown out of school on top of to a trip to jail. Other college police in the area not so much.

blueiron
10-26-2012, 20:03
Agreed. I retured to university after retiring, so I see a lot of nonsense that I don't agree with.

I have talked to several university cops and the long timers there are all retired from another agency. They count on most university students being full of attitude and very little action. Thankfully, most of them are.

rednoved
10-26-2012, 20:23
I don't think I could have handled it that well. He probably could have cuffed him if he wanted to. I think that dbags behavior falls under disorderly conduct does it not? Props to the officer for keeping it as cool as he did.

Ajon412
10-26-2012, 20:58
One day "Junior" is going to pull this same routine on a copper who may not be as tolerant and I have a funny feeling that the encounter will not end well for him....:whistling:

Hack
10-26-2012, 21:10
Back in the day where I work he probably would have gotten slapped so hard that he would have asked what day of the week it was. Twitchy punk.

TactiCool
10-26-2012, 21:10
It's a shame this punk wasn't introduced to an x26. Would have taught him a valuable life lesson.

Hack
10-26-2012, 21:13
It's a shame this punk wasn't introduced to an x26. Would have taught him a valuable life lesson.

I like the old fashion approach. Wood shampoo.

Sharky7
10-26-2012, 21:18
Pumpkin Head

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pumpkin%20head

Hack
10-26-2012, 21:43
Pumpkin Head

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pumpkin%20head

I take that to mean you were going with number 1.:whistling:

No, we are prohibited from such actions.:whistling:

lawman800
10-26-2012, 22:30
The restraint is one thing, but letting the kid get so out of hand and throw things and cuss and make personal insults and take a fighting stance up in your face is another... you let it go like that and every kid thinks they can do the same thing. Why even bother having a police department then?

The kid needs to be told to calm down and if not, taken for disturbing the peace or in that instance, can be taken for simple assault under CA law.

CanIhaveGasCash
10-26-2012, 22:52
The restraint is one thing, but letting the kid get so out of hand and throw things and cuss and make personal insults and take a fighting stance up in your face is another... you let it go like that and every kid thinks they can do the same thing. Why even bother having a police department then?

The kid needs to be told to calm down and if not, taken for disturbing the peace or in that instance, can be taken for simple assault under CA law.

I work for a very liberal department and have been told that we are supposed to be verbal punching bags, so we take insults a verbal attacks all day long. However as soon as someone starts posturing and throwing objects around in a violent manner, it's time for the cuffs to go on, at the very least for officer safety.

But universities are a different world all together.

Sharky7
10-26-2012, 23:08
The kid needs to be told to calm down and if not, taken for disturbing the peace or in that instance, can be taken for simple assault under CA law.

Yep, seriously....can't believe even the partner didn't move.

If you take a fighting stance with me or one of my other officers and get chest to chest - I am going to assume you plan on fighting me/us. That was a no-brainer assault arrest.

BULLRUNN
10-27-2012, 03:49
Look at the begining of the VIDEO the kid actually does assault the officer.. he put his fingers in the officer chest on his badge..and you hear the officer saying dont touch me then the kid whips off his back pack and says what you going to do arrest me go ahead.. arrest me..

4949shooter
10-27-2012, 04:00
Yep, seriously....can't believe even the partner didn't move.

If you take a fighting stance with me or one of my other officers and get chest to chest - I am going to assume you plan on fighting me/us. That was a no-brainer assault arrest.

Look at the begining of the VIDEO the kid actually does assault the officer.. he put his fingers in the officer chest on his badge..and you hear the officer saying dont touch me then the kid whips off his back pack and says what you going to do arrest me go ahead.. arrest me..

Yes and yes. He should have been arrested.

Though I understand university police are faced with the fact that they will not be backed by the administration.

collim1
10-27-2012, 04:25
Its embarrassing that he was allowed to walk. He would have toted a Harassment charge and DC, and I work a sissy campus all the time. Good chance he would have had to go before the board and beg for enrollment to be reinstated also.

That was weak.

PinkoCommie
10-27-2012, 04:47
But universities are a different world all together.

Some are. Some aren't. I am good with allowing people to blow off steam, as long as it is just words. If, however, any of my officers allowed anyone on a contact to continue aggressive behavior without checking it by putting them in cuffs, etc., they would be talking to me before end of shift. This is not about setting examples or putting people in their place, this is about safety.

Yeah, I get to deal with politics working for a large university PD. So do other cops I know who work for municipalities and counties. The politics has different flavors in different departments. ****ty police work, however, looks the same everywhere. These guys did not attempt to control the scene. Whatever happened, no matter whose fault it is, nobody gets to poke fingers at you in uniform or throw stuff around.

Trust me, my officers, being campus cops and all, would have shut this nonsense down quickly. Not to mention that they wouldn't be caught dead on those... whatever those scooters are. Segway actually gave us one of theirs for testing. It was fun to ride (where no one saw us) for a few minutes, but we broke it in a matter of hours. That dissuaded the administration from trying to put us on those.

txleapd
10-27-2012, 05:36
As soon as he dropped his backpack like that I would have punched him in the sternum.

Gallium
10-27-2012, 05:37
It's hard to comment on this video without failing to insult either party.

The one thing I can get away with saying is that I saw no grown men in that video.

ricklee4570
10-27-2012, 06:06
I think the Campus Police Officer probably felt he was in the wrong at first. He came as close as he could to saying that while on camera (he stated we BOTH could be wrong--and thats as close as you will get a cop on on tape to admitting wrongdoing). The kid should have acted like a man and said ok, we were both in the wrong and walked away. He wasnt going to get an apology. If in fact the cop almost ran him over, that is why the cop did not react stronger.

When the Cop brought his mom and dad into it, he was wrong, and he did immediatly apologize for that statement.

Unprofessional all around.

I had a similar situation happen to me once. It was really foggy out one day and the traffic lights were down. I entered the intersection and half way through I see a cop standing in the middle of the road directing traffic. He starts yelling at me that I should not have proceeded without his direction. I told him I couldnt see him and that he should probably be wearing a reflective vest or use a flashlight for his safety, as the visiblilty limited vision. He went off on me just like this kid did. He proceeded to call me names, make fun of my truck, brought my family members into it etc. etc. Pretty unprofessional.

Two weeks later I ran into him during a softball game that my department was in against his department. He apologized to me and explained how he was having a really bad day. All was good.

In this case, both were probably at fault and all is good. Slamming the kid down and jacking him up would have made it worse, especially if there was camera footage showing the officer almost running him over. College campuses are a whole different atmosphere, the cops take on the personality and traits of the Chancellor.....or they find a new job...at least that is how it is where I am.

pal2511
10-27-2012, 07:38
Look at the begining of the VIDEO the kid actually does assault the officer.. he put his fingers in the officer chest on his badge..and you hear the officer saying dont touch me then the kid whips off his back pack and says what you going to do arrest me go ahead.. arrest me..

We gotta do what the loyal tax payers tell us to do..and I would have obliged and arrested him on the spot. :)

lawman800
10-27-2012, 09:49
As soon as he dropped his backpack like that I would have punched him in the sternum.

Since it wasn't a tactical black HK backpack or stealth black skateboard, the student doesn't deserve a kick in the ding ding.:whistling:

Gallium
10-27-2012, 12:49
As soon as he dropped his backpack like that I would have punched him in the sternum.


Lots of differences.

1. You are not rolling around on a Segway type vehicle.

2. You (not guessing) have command presence, and would not tolerate that sort of exchange from the get go

3. He would have sensed all of this from the get go.

sheriff733
10-27-2012, 13:38
Let me get this straight...

He's upset that they ALMOST hit him?

Wow.

I won't even get into the terrible overall conduct of the officer.

Good lord.

ClydeG19
10-27-2012, 21:57
I know the exceptions don't disprove the rule, but as a college pd officer, I've never felt pressured to not use force. In fact, a former officer of my dept actually had an apology letter written to him by an arrestee as a condition of her not being expelled. That came from the admins of the college after the student, drunk, threw a punch at the officer and the officer then faceplanted her.

I'm all for letting someone blow off some steam as well, but that went on too long. The officer was dumb in escalating it with the comments about the kid's parents. I can't believe the other officer didn't step in and tell the kid that this isn't the time and place to deal with this and that there are proper channels to handle the allegations of misuse of the motor scooter thingie.

For the record, my dept doesn't have segways or anything like them. Nor will I be caught dead on one.

lawman800
10-28-2012, 01:44
If they gave me a Segway or that Triad, or even a Rascal, I would ride the crap out of it until it broke and then give it back, laughing. Should only take about 30 minutes.

Clutch Cargo
10-28-2012, 03:35
Campus cops lets students get away with ALOT. Trust me, I know.
Of course my experience with them goes back to the early 70s.

RedNine
10-28-2012, 04:21
What an angry little man, and a coward, insulting somebody like that because he feels protected on campus. You know he wouldn't have said a damn thing in a situation where the guy could have gotten just as hostile as him.

Gallium
10-28-2012, 06:36
What an angry little man, and a coward, insulting somebody like that because he feels protected on campus. You know he wouldn't have said a damn thing in a situation where the guy could have gotten just as hostile as him.


Lets see...upper/middle class white youth barking in the face of a middle class black dude.

Yep, not gonna happen on the streets. The dialogue might have looked like this where I live - ypu can figure out who is who::


:Yo, son, git the **** out the way

:Sorry man, I didn't mea-

:Shut the **** up *******, gimme doze skateboards and keep on moving. What the **** you looking at, you want sum o dis?

Mayhem like Me
10-28-2012, 10:30
I threw up when I saw this..

Segway and command presence cannot occupy the same space....


When you mention them together it's like dividing by 0




































........... Hello anyone left.....?

ZGXtreme
10-28-2012, 10:51
Started out as a campus cop and can say that the first time he "stepped up" he'd have been put on his ass. As far as nearly striking the student, would have never been me as I'd refuse to ride that thing on patrol.

One luxury in Oklahoma, still a state statute on the books for using profanity in the presence of Women and Children. I noticed some coeds walk by during one of the expletive filled tempter tantrums... bought and paid for.

razdog76
10-28-2012, 16:12
Outside of everything else already discussed, a dollar says the kid uses meth.

DaBigBR
10-28-2012, 16:35
What. The. ****.

Do SOMETHING.

leadbutt
10-28-2012, 16:48
I worked at ODU for three years and I can tell ya, that is not the norm for the Police Officers there.

ODU by and large suffers from the Nothern VA influx of the spoiled brats and an atitude of wanting to be know as a "big" party school

Bruce M
10-28-2012, 16:54
I know the video is a jambog but I wonder if the Sergeant might have handled this campus situation a bit differently

COPS TV Show, Failure to Comply, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department - YouTube

lawman800
10-28-2012, 17:11
Best video evah!

oldman11
10-28-2012, 17:46
I know the video is a jambog but I wonder if the Sergeant might have handled this campus situation a bit differently

COPS TV Show, Failure to Comply, Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PIzc6qDnh8)
That is what the cop in the 1st vid should have done.

Gallium
10-28-2012, 17:47
What. The. ****.

Do SOMETHING.



Thanks a lot. :rofl: Now my wife is calling out to see if I am ok, me falling off my chair laughing so hard. :faint::faint:

Hack
10-28-2012, 17:52
That is what the cop in the 1st vid should have done.

Cuff him and stuff him in the paddy wagon. Sort it out later, and then if appropriate let him loose.

Boot Stomper
10-28-2012, 20:01
If the University has any guts The student will be gone and banned from the grounds. That behavior is unacceptable in a College/University environment. The University has a student code of conduct and he has surely violated that policy. Gone.

The Cop was very patient. Maybe too patient. He knew he was being filmed. The "mom and dad" comment by the officer was wrong, but it felt good. As the saying goes, "If it feels good, don't say it."

Boot Stomper
10-28-2012, 20:16
We gotta do what the loyal tax payers tell us to do..and I would have obliged and arrested him on the spot. :)


Serious question, what would you charge him with?

Assaulting a Police Officer?

Disorderly conduct?

I know each State is different. In some State a criminal charge maybe hard to come by.

Sam Spade
10-28-2012, 20:44
Serious question, what would you charge him with?

Assaulting a Police Officer?

Disorderly conduct?

I know each State is different. In some State a criminal charge maybe hard to come by.

I can't be a victim of disorderly conduct here. Apparently, my peace can't be disturbed, or I don't have any.

However, at the dropping of the backpack, I believe I could articulate probable cause for assault.

13-1203:
A. A person commits assault by:
1. Intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causing any physical injury to another person; or
2. Intentionally placing another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent physical injury; or
3. Knowingly touching another person with the intent to injure, insult or provoke such person.

DaBigBR
10-28-2012, 20:49
I think the most disarming approach, without having any idea about the events leading up to the filming, would have just been to walk (or roll, as it were) away from the little turd.

ARP
10-28-2012, 21:57
Depends on the department... Around here the Pitt cops will put boot to ass just as fast as anybody working for the city with the addition that they will go the extra mile to get the actor thrown out of school on top of to a trip to jail. Other college police in the area not so much.

They escorted me as I transported Temple U to the game. U of PGH has their own CERT team, no foolin' around there.

Boot Stomper
10-28-2012, 22:08
I can't be a victim of disorderly conduct here. Apparently, my peace can't be disturbed, or I don't have any.

However, at the dropping of the backpack, I believe I could articulate probable cause for assault.

13-1203:
A. A person commits assault by:
1. Intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causing any physical injury to another person; or
2. Intentionally placing another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent physical injury; or
3. Knowingly touching another person with the intent to injure, insult or provoke such person.

Same law here in Illinois with regards to the police officer cannot be disturbed. Assault seemed reasonable to me. Wanted to know your's and other's thoughts.

The behavior needed to be addressed. There is more wrong with that kid than just having a bad day.