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bullseye9mm
10-28-2012, 15:17
I'm torn.....

I was thinking of trading my gen 2.5 G26 with box, 2 mags and all papers for a S&W shield(if I can find one)

Anyone compare these two side by side as far as accuracy and trigger feel?

Any owner opinions of the shield?

The G26 is in great shape with *gasp* adjustable rear sight...

I know, I know,

:needspics:

so here we go lol..

ejes
10-28-2012, 15:29
I went through this myself. I compared the specs of the two:

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_809560_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

http://www.glock.com/english/glock26_tech.htm

So I asked myself, "why would I want to give up 3 rounds and add a manual safety for negligible differences?".

I didn't.

If your heart is dead set on getting a Shield, and you can swing it, keep the 26 and get the Shield and see what you end up carrying the most. I did that with the G26 when I had a Colt Defender I had carried for about 10 years. Started carrying the G26 more and more, but still have the Defender and glad I do.

ronin.45
10-28-2012, 15:30
I wouldn't, but I don't know what you like.

lyodbraun
10-28-2012, 15:30
Keep the glock... All around better gun...

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mdpbowtech
10-28-2012, 15:33
I handled a shield at the gun show yesterday and I was not impressed, but I didnt get to shoot it or anything.

19Glock19
10-28-2012, 15:40
The only Glock I would never get rid of is my 26.. Just sayin'

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Tango 1Zero
10-28-2012, 15:47
I wouldnt.

Warp
10-28-2012, 15:52
Why would you do that?

KennyFSU
10-28-2012, 15:54
That would be called a downgrade.


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gunsmoke92
10-28-2012, 15:59
First off, I'm somewhat of a Smith fan, but I like Glocks as well. I'm not a Glock koolaid drinking fanatic either. :upeyes:

All that being said, my advise would be to keep the 26. The Shield is a good gun, but the Glock 26 is a true proven performer, not the newest greatest fad on the market. You already have a great CCW, why trade for something that's neat and cool hoping it will be just as great? I really like S&W, but here, I'd have to vote for the Glock.

Good Luck.

t4terrific
10-28-2012, 16:08
I'm torn.....

I was thinking of trading my gen 2.5 G26 with box, 2 mags and all papers for a S&W shield(if I can find one)

Anyone compare these two side by side as far as accuracy and trigger feel?

Any owner opinions of the shield?

The G26 is in great shape with *gasp* adjustable rear sight...

I know, I know,

:needspics:

so here we go lol..

Well, if you can't shoot a Glock 26 straight, you sure aren't going to be able to shoot a Shield worth a heck.

SJ 40
10-28-2012, 16:11
I went through this myself. I compared the specs of the two:

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_809560_-1_780153_757781_757781_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y

http://www.glock.com/english/glock26_tech.htm

So I asked myself, "why would I want to give up 3 rounds and add a manual safety for negligible differences?".

I didn't.

If your heart is dead set on getting a Shield, and you can swing it, keep the 26 and get the Shield and see what you end up carrying the most. I did that with the G26 when I had a Colt Defender I had carried for about 10 years. Started carrying the G26 more and more, but still have the Defender and glad I do.The comparison says it all,you have to do as you want but I wouldn't. SJ 40

G23Gen4.40
10-28-2012, 16:16
I recently compared the specs on the Shield and the G27. I did not see enough advantage to justify getting the Shield over the G27/26.

Bruce M
10-28-2012, 16:19
The more I shoot my Shield, the more I like it. To me the trigger is very good. It feels very familiar as if I have had it for a couple decades instead of a couple months. As much as I like it I would be reluctant to trade a Glock 26 for it. I think the Glock 26 is about Glock's best and it certainly has a long record of reliability. If I shot the Shield appreciably better, that would be about the only way I would trade a G26 for it.

itstime
10-28-2012, 16:27
I wouldn't do it. As a second sure. The 26 is too good of a gun to trade.

redrick
10-28-2012, 16:27
I wouldn't trade or sell your 26 until you at least hold a Shield. They feel very different in your hand.

Meathead9
10-28-2012, 16:30
I currently own a Shield & G26. The G26 doesn't carry all that much differently than a G19 for me, so it really doesn't serve a purpose for me. Sure they are amazing little guns, but if I can conceal a G26, I can just as easily conceal a G19. In that case, I'd rather have 15+1. The outside dimensions of the G26 & Shield are pretty similar, but the Shield is almost 1/4" slimmer. If I need a slim gun for carry in a NPE, the Shield goes. The GEN 4 G17 & GEN 4 G19 are my go to guns for everything else. The Shield is the ONLY non-Glock handgun.

The Shield has all the same internal safeties as the standard M&P line, plus the additional thumb safety. I modified my safety lever, so that it is inoperable. Here's a video I made showing the operation of the lever. Read the comments for my justifications as to why I did it.

M&P Shield Modified Safety Lever - YouTube


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kd8x
10-28-2012, 16:39
Is this a trick question??? Go Glock 4ever......:rofl:

bac1023
10-28-2012, 17:37
I never recommend trading one gun for another.

Glockguy
10-28-2012, 18:17
I also own both the G26 and the Shield. Both are flawless in function* and great shooters. The carry case is: When possible, the G26 with 13 rounds is my favorite but it is of course better to carry the weapon with fewer than none at all - this is the case for the Shield. One problem I should mention which was unappreciated with the Shield - *After around 500 rounds one of my rear sight white dots just disappeared and was missing. I called S&W and the representative Mark explained some oil may have been present when the paint was applied - He said 1) I could send in the sight for repair; 2) I could paint a new dot using white fingernail polish; or 3) He would sent me a new rear sight - I chose the later; however, this is awkardly aggravating and S&W had a higher QC standard of responsiblity than allow this to even be a problem!

glock2740
10-28-2012, 18:31
I'd keep the G26, but I do want a Shield. I just can't find one. :crying:

steve581581
10-28-2012, 18:31
I compared a friends 9mm shield to my G33 and it was almost the same size and weight with mine having a +2 mag extension. Also the trigger on the shield is horrible.

AR15 guy
10-28-2012, 18:42
I had both, but ended up selling the Shield. The only advantages I found were SLIGHTLY less printing and a tad more comfort while carrying. I decided it was not for me and sold it to a guy from work.

He thought he needed a carry gun because his G27 was missing. Come to find out his wife had "misplaced" it.

Warp
10-28-2012, 18:50
I currently own a Shield & G26. The G26 doesn't carry all that much differently than a G19 for me, so it really doesn't serve a purpose for me. Sure they are amazing little guns, but if I can conceal a G26, I can just as easily conceal a G19. In that case, I'd rather have 15+1. The outside dimensions of the G26 & Shield are pretty similar, but the Shield is almost 1/4" slimmer. If I need a slim gun for carry in a NPE, the Shield goes. The GEN 4 G17 & GEN 4 G19 are my go to guns for everything else. The Shield is the ONLY non-Glock handgun.

The Shield has all the same internal safeties as the standard M&P line, plus the additional thumb safety. I modified my safety lever, so that it is inoperable. Here's a video I made showing the operation of the lever. Read the comments for my justifications as to why I did it.

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What the heck is an NPE?

AR15 guy
10-28-2012, 19:04
I like to carry around 3:30 and the short frame of a g26 does conceal easier than a 19 for me, but I am thin.

Droid noob
10-28-2012, 19:05
What the heck is an NPE?

The Shield carries a lot more comfortable for me. Its all in the thickness for comfort. I prefer my 27 for .40 and slightly higher capacity. The place the shield has for me is very light clothing and out and about all day. Its just more comfortable.

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Warp
10-28-2012, 19:19
The Shield carries a lot more comfortable for me. Its all in the thickness for comfort. I prefer my 27 for .40 and slightly higher capacity. The place the shield has for me is very light clothing and out and about all day. Its just more comfortable.

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What belt/holster? (for both)

Meathead9
10-28-2012, 19:25
What the heck is an NPE?

Non-Permissive Environment.

Droid noob
10-28-2012, 20:09
What belt/holster? (for both)

I carry them in a crossbreed iwb holster. Those give me best concealment. The weight isnt really apples to apples with caliber difference. The thinness really is noticeably better. That being said, i wouldnt dump one for the other. Good to have options if possible.

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Warp
10-28-2012, 20:25
I carry them in a crossbreed iwb holster. Those give me best concealment. The weight isnt really apples to apples with caliber difference. The thinness really is noticeably better. That being said, i wouldnt dump one for the other. Good to have options if possible.

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What belt?

SickShot
10-28-2012, 20:35
I too have gone through the same dilemma you are now.

Let me spare you the hassel. I sold my Gen3 G26 for the KelTec PF9 and P3AT. The PF9 had a failure to feed. The 3AT ran flawless. Both guns VERY uncomfortable to shoot.

I found the slimline design is good for carry purposes but not good for drawing quickly and shooting.

I have found the G26/27/33 frame provides a good compromise in comfort of shooting, ease of carry and quick firm grip aquisition. I can shoot the G26 painlessly at the range all day. I can pocket carry(with a desantis holster), IWB carry with a Comptac or OWB. And under stress can find the handle in a second and be on threat in two.

I feel I have a full-frame gun in a small size frame. Also if I need more ammo capacity I carry a larger mag.

I have since reaquired a G26 but Gen4 and have S&W Body Guard .380 for a little more concealability.

Again this is what I have found. Do what you feel works best for you. But you don't need me to tell you that!:wavey:

Queen Bee
10-29-2012, 01:52
As an owner of both. Dont sell , honestly the biggest reason i bought the shield was to move away from my lcp that sat collecting dust. Hated practicing with it and wanted to not buy .380 ammo and just own one caliber. I carry the glock 26 when i can , but for times when my clothing doesn't allow , i have been able to conceal the shield alot more than my 26. Its my go to concealed gun. During winter though it wont see much action since i wear coats. I pull out the 19 for winter.

SmithietheFox
10-29-2012, 05:41
No as the Shield isn't a Glock.

Bruce M
10-29-2012, 06:15
No as the Shield isn't a Glock.
There are any of several guns out there that are not Glocks that are quite well suited for carry and use; some might even suggest a bit better.

JDennis
10-29-2012, 07:25
I personally looked at both and shot both. I ended up with the shield. Both were accurate and the shield does recoil a bit more. Where the shield shined for me was carrying, it is comfortable and most of the time I carry in my pocket. Fits perfect and cant even tell. Both are great guns and you cant go wrong with either.

Tennessee Glock Guy
10-29-2012, 10:18
Never trade a gun...especially a Glock. You can always sell it later but you might just wish you had it back a week later.

PAGunner
10-29-2012, 10:50
How well do you carry the 26? Many of these Glock fanboys crack me up, they're the same guys who want a single stack Glock, have never shot an M&P let alone a shield and will advise not to get a shield.

I carry an M&Pc40 EDC, my dad carries a shield .40 EDC, works better for him. My shield is for when I wear tighter clothing. Too big for pocket carry, I bought a CM40 for that role. My advice is buy the shield if the 26 is a challenge to carry, it's significantly thinner and will disappear.

shyguy
10-29-2012, 12:50
Hi Bullseye9mm

Keep the G26 and buy the Shield. Shoot both extensively, side by side, until you bond with one. Keep that one and sell the other.

raindog17
10-29-2012, 13:38
Gosh, what a surprise - ask on a Glock forum and everyone says keep the G26 :-)

I would keep the 26, too.

Let's remember the history here...in 1994, S&W saw Glock was doing well and copied their design to make the Sigma. Glock sued for patent infringement and settled out of court (reportedly for millions). The Sigma was not very popular, so S&W redid it to make the current M&P. Then it was downsized to the Shield.

So you're getting a downsized copy of a remade stolen design :-)

OK, jokes aside...for me, reliability is king. The G26 is derived from one of the most successful pistol designs in history (the G17) and has been in the market for 17 years. The M&P Shield was just released. Baring some clear technical advance or other advantage, why switch? Even assuming the Shield is a very good gun (and it probably is), for me it's 99.999% reliability (the Glock) vs 99.9% perhaps with anything else.

3rdgen40
10-29-2012, 14:14
I modified my safety lever, so that it is inoperable. Here's a video I made showing the operation of the lever. Read the comments for my justifications as to why I did it.

M&P Shield Modified Safety Lever - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XahDy4rMAv4&feature=youtube_gdata_player)


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Or...you could just not engage the safety...:upeyes: BTW...that safety is about impossible to "accidently" engage.

jamaicanj
10-29-2012, 14:22
I would not

Meathead9
10-29-2012, 14:39
Or...you could just not engage the safety...:upeyes: BTW...that safety is about impossible to "accidently" engage.

"about impossible" is not impossible.

With the slight modification I did, it is now ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to accidentally engage the safety. It still has all the internal safeties, so it's still just as safe as any Glock or standard M&P. It just doesn't have an operable thumb safety anymore. I'll prefer a 0% chance that it's accidentally engaged, over a 5-10% chance that it might be accidentally engaged, any day of the week. If you're 100% comfortable with it, go for it. I wasn't, so I did what I had to do to get there.


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Seminoles
10-29-2012, 15:24
Keep the 26. The only gun in carry more than my 26 is my Kahr PM9.

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Topsider
10-29-2012, 15:33
Why? They serve the same purpose (small holster guns) and are basically the same size, save for a little difference in thickness. Unless you don't like the G26 for some reason, dance with the one you came with. ;)

3rdgen40
10-29-2012, 15:44
"about impossible" is not impossible.

Knew that was coming.Good thing you don't own a Beretta 92.:wavey:

jayhuh
10-29-2012, 19:54
I did and I ain't looking back. I find the Sheild so much more comfortable to shoot and carry. If I want to carry a block, ill carry one of my other Glocks, but for now my off duty gun is the Shield.

snowbird.40
10-29-2012, 20:03
I feel your pain and indecision ... but I just took one look at the specs and realized I'd only be saving 3/4s of an ounce in weight and less than 1/8 inch in thickness if I went from a G26 to the Shield. Plus, the Glock has about 25 years of proven reliability with all those extra rounds and the versatility of using the larger Glock magazines. I just can not justify that kind of tradeoff.

Meathead9
10-29-2012, 20:27
I feel your pain and indecision ... but I just took one look at the specs and realized I'd only be saving 3/4s of an ounce in weight and less than 1/8 inch in thickness if I went from a G26 to the Shield. Plus, the Glock has about 25 years of proven reliability with all those extra rounds and the versatility of using the larger Glock magazines. I just can not justify that kind of tradeoff.

The G26 is 1.18" wide, and the Shield is .95" wide. Last time I checked, 1/8" = .125". The Shield is .23" slimmer, which is almost 1/4".

rimshaker
10-29-2012, 21:09
Lol i've been debating the same thing for months.

What i like about the Shield is the full grip with pinky support (for smallish hands). That's awesome for a gun that size. I also prefer the thumb safety for a CCW with one in da chamber.

The stock G26 mag doesn't support your pinky unless you get the mag extention.... which then defeats the whole purpose of trying to go smaller. It turns into a G19 at that point!

thinkfast
10-29-2012, 21:09
Are you currently going unarmed frequently because the baby Glock frame is too wide? That would be the only circumstance I could imagine getting rid of the G26.

Warp
10-29-2012, 21:13
The stock G26 mag doesn't support your pinky unless you get the mag extention.... which then defeats the whole purpose of trying to go smaller. It turns into a G19 at that point!

My experience says otherwise.

But I prefer the GAP floorplate anyway.

And I get 10+1.

Seminoles
10-29-2012, 21:20
My experience says otherwise.

But I prefer the GAP floorplate anyway.

And I get 10+1.

+1

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Meathead9
10-29-2012, 21:20
My experience says otherwise.

But I prefer the GAP floorplate anyway.

And I get 10+1.

You can keep your pinky on the grip of a G26 with a flush mag & with GAP extensions?

Warp
10-29-2012, 21:32
You can keep your pinky on the grip of a G26 with a flush mag & with GAP extensions?

Nope.

My extensive experience says that the G26, even with a pinky extension, does not turn into a G19.

I have a 26 and a 19, and they have been my EDC for about 5 years and 2 years, respectively (7 yrs total). The 26, even with an extension, conceals better for me than the 19

Meathead9
10-29-2012, 21:47
Nope.

My extensive experience says that the G26, even with a pinky extension, does not turn into a G19.

I have a 26 and a 19, and they have been my EDC for about 5 years and 2 years, respectively (7 yrs total). The 26, even with an extension, conceals better for me than the 19

Ok that makes sense now. I have also carried both. I don't find the G26 any easier to carry than a G19, but then again my G17 hides just fine under a T-Shirt. I carry AIWB, and I'm a pretty big guy, so I know that makes a big difference.

Two Guns
10-29-2012, 21:51
Don't trade your G26.

Warp
10-29-2012, 22:33
Ok that makes sense now. I have also carried both. I don't find the G26 any easier to carry than a G19, but then again my G17 hides just fine under a T-Shirt. I carry AIWB, and I'm a pretty big guy, so I know that makes a big difference.

AIWB? Appendix?

I cannot conceal as easily. I have tried with my 21SF, but it really needs cool/cold weather clothing, like a legitimate vest, sweatshirt, or jacket. Speaking of which, our weather just finally turned to the point where I can get away with concealing the 21SF.

Meathead9
10-29-2012, 22:45
AIWB? Appendix?


Yep, I'm a recent AIWB convert (formerly MTAC @ 4:30ish). I never thought on a million years I could appendix carry a full size Glock, much less with a kydex holster. My JM Custom Kydex AIWB holster is the most comfortable, concealable holster I've ever used.

David Frost
10-29-2012, 23:18
I have carried Glocks since 1990. I have owned just about every caliber and model. As an LEO, I have carried them both on-duty and off-duty.

I have found that there is little difference in overall size and concealability between the G26 and G19. As a result, I have sold off or traded every G26 or G27 I have had.

When S&W came out with the M&P models, I took notice and eventually got rid of all of my Glock .40's and .45's and replaced them with M&P models in those calibers. Once the Shield became available, I got one for the times when I needed a smaller pistol for concealment.

I have found that the Shield shoots as well as any Glock I have owned. It is as reliable, accurate, and is significantly more narrow, making it easier to conceal. Further, I found the trigger in my Shield to be at least as good as any of my Glocks. Gaston made a huge mistake in ignoring the requests of so many who asked that he develop and release a single stack pistol of this type.

Now, don't get me wrong; this is not an indictment of Glocks as a fine weapon. I still own Glocks, and will never part with my two G19's and the G34 I plan to buy. However, the M&P platform in .40 and .45 will continue to be my replacement for Glocks in those calibers, and the Shield will be my most concealable pistol.

Tkz
10-30-2012, 01:44
I would add to my collection, but would not part with my 26 for anything!

AR15 guy
10-30-2012, 04:53
Nope.

My extensive experience says that the G26, even with a pinky extension, does not turn into a G19.

I have a 26 and a 19, and they have been my EDC for about 5 years and 2 years, respectively (7 yrs total). The 26, even with an extension, conceals better for me than the 19

The GAP extensions keep your ring finger from sliding off the bottom of the grip. IMO a pinky extension conceals better than a g19, but still prints (at least for me) a good deal more than a flush mag.

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Bren
10-30-2012, 05:17
You can keep your pinky on the grip of a G26 with a flush mag & with GAP extensions?

Why would you need to? I've shot lots of rounds, at my best speed, in competition, with the 26. It doesn't require a pinky on the grip to shoot faster and more accurately than a 17 - I don't know why, but that's a common experience shooters have in competition with both.

Lowjiber
10-30-2012, 05:23
The only Glock I would never get rid of is my 26.. Just sayin'
Ditto and Amen!

GThirtyTwo
10-30-2012, 06:31
The only Glock I would never get rid of is my 26.. Just sayin'

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This. My 26 never leaves my side. I have a shield and I do not carry it.

Meathead9
10-30-2012, 08:02
Why would you need to? I've shot lots of rounds, at my best speed, in competition, with the 26. It doesn't require a pinky on the grip to shoot faster and more accurately than a 17 - I don't know why, but that's a common experience shooters have in competition with both.

I misunderstood what Warp said, and asked that question for verification. Like I said, I have a G26 & a Shield (along with all the others listed in my sig). I tried all kinds of extensions on my G26, including the GAP's, and after several hundred rounds with each kind, I went back to stock. I found that I shot faster and more accurately using the flush floorplate & my pinky under the grip. It felt the most awkward out of all the different configurations, but it shot the best for me that way. I haven't put it to a shot timer, but I'm 99% sure I'm faster & more accurate at speed with my G17, so it's interesting that you say the G26 is faster and more accurate for you. I've never seen a G26 used in USPSA, and I quit shooting IDPA over 2 years ago. What Kind of match was it, where you saw the shooter was faster & more accurate with a G26 than that same shooter was with a G17?



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snowbird.40
10-30-2012, 08:34
Aha! You got me on the thickness issue. Guess my memory isn't as good as it used to be ... but then again, not much of me is as good as it used to be. Old age, I guess.

However, the point remains, for the tradeoffs I doubt if I will ever look at another single stack 9mm again, until Glock comes out with one that's at least 3-4 ounces lighter and 1/4" thinner than the G26. Even then, I won't make the switch until there's about 5-10 years of history behind the new gun.

barth
10-30-2012, 08:44
A lot for me has to do with comfort and being willing to dress around the gun. Someone once said concealed carry is supposed to be comforting not comfortable. I have a 11.1 oz titanium 38 that I can carry in any cloths and not even know shes there. It's nice. But in a real gunfight that's not my weapon of choice for sure.

I prefer a compact 45 as an EDC.
But for pocket carry,
even though shes fat and a little heavy,
my trusty G27 40-9mm isn't comfortable.
But she's comforting.

And loaded with 10+1 Winchester Ranger T-Series 127 gr +P+.
She just flat Kicks Ars.
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mike g35
10-30-2012, 08:47
I'm torn.....

I was thinking of trading my gen 2.5 G26 with box, 2 mags and all papers for a S&W shield(if I can find one)

Anyone compare these two side by side as far as accuracy and trigger feel?

Any owner opinions of the shield?

The G26 is in great shape with *gasp* adjustable rear sight...

I know, I know,

:needspics:

so here we go lol..
Simple answer, NO, and here's why...the S&W M&P9 Shield has one rather gigantic issue, it will drop mags while firing. Some of the older Shields in 9mm do not do this but the 40's have all been having this issue along with some of the newer 9's. you're shooting, shooting, shooting then WHOOPS!!!! Your mag falls out. I sell these guns at Cabelas and they keep having to go back to Smith for repair or they're sold and/or traded for (double stack) a M&P9C or G26 or (single stack) a Walther PPS 9mm. If you're looking for a good single stack 9mm look at the PPS. It's a solid gun. I'll just stick with my G26.




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snowbird.40
10-30-2012, 08:47
Meathead - Actually, there is some evidence to support the theory that the G26 is more accurate than the larger 9mms. If you are familiar with Massad Ayoob, he has written on more than one occasion that the baby Glocks are more accurate and for a number of reasons, which he describes in detail in the book published by Harris Outdoor last spring called The Complete Book of Handguns. Ayoob is the editor of the book, which could be purchased at Barnes & Noble through the summer (don't know if it's still available).

In the book Ayoob details some accounts of Glock shooters winning the Matchmeister competition at several major GSSF matches with G26s ... and that's against G19s, 17s and 34s. The two physical reasons he cites if memory serves me well (remember my other response, hmmm) is the thickness of the barrel relative to its length and the fact that the round has left the end of the barrel before the slide begins to cycle.

Over the last 8 years I've bought and sold nearly a dozen Glocks in 9mm and .40 caliber and I have to say that I shot G26s better in IDPA and IPSC matches than my full size Glocks when I've had a chance to shoot the same stages with two guns. That's why I've settled on a Gen 4 Model 26 as my ONLY gun as I slide into old age. I plan to shoot my G26 in the IDPA Classifier in a few weeks and I think there's a good chance I'll be able to shave 15 seconds off my best time and make Expert in SSP, which is definitely a measure of speed and accuracy. Whether or not I can make it happen, who knows?

For me, being able to pick up the gun and be intimately familiar with it as a result of shooting it a LOT in IDPA and IPSC matches, that's my most logical method of securing my safety and that of my family and friends in the unlikely event of a violent encounter. I think being able to prevail in such an incident is vitally important; more so than whether or not my concealment is perfect with a thinner gun. I also like the option of more 'bang for the buck' with stock G26 Glock magazines as well as the higher capacity Glock mags.

Meathead9
10-30-2012, 12:02
Meathead - Actually, there is some evidence to support the theory that the G26 is more accurate than the larger 9mms. If you are familiar with Massad Ayoob, he has written on more than one occasion that the baby Glocks are more accurate and for a number of reasons, which he describes in detail in the book published by Harris Outdoor last spring called The Complete Book of Handguns. Ayoob is the editor of the book, which could be purchased at Barnes & Noble through the summer (don't know if it's still available).

In the book Ayoob details some accounts of Glock shooters winning the Matchmeister competition at several major GSSF matches with G26s ... and that's against G19s, 17s and 34s. The two physical reasons he cites if memory serves me well (remember my other response, hmmm) is the thickness of the barrel relative to its length and the fact that the round has left the end of the barrel before the slide begins to cycle.

Over the last 8 years I've bought and sold nearly a dozen Glocks in 9mm and .40 caliber and I have to say that I shot G26s better in IDPA and IPSC matches than my full size Glocks when I've had a chance to shoot the same stages with two guns. That's why I've settled on a Gen 4 Model 26 as my ONLY gun as I slide into old age. I plan to shoot my G26 in the IDPA Classifier in a few weeks and I think there's a good chance I'll be able to shave 15 seconds off my best time and make Expert in SSP, which is definitely a measure of speed and accuracy. Whether or not I can make it happen, who knows?

For me, being able to pick up the gun and be intimately familiar with it as a result of shooting it a LOT in IDPA and IPSC matches, that's my most logical method of securing my safety and that of my family and friends in the unlikely event of a violent encounter. I think being able to prevail in such an incident is vitally important; more so than whether or not my concealment is perfect with a thinner gun. I also like the option of more 'bang for the buck' with stock G26 Glock magazines as well as the higher capacity Glock mags.

I'm familiar with Ayoob's writings, and they're part of why I bought a G30SF & G26 in the first place. I'm not talking about accuracy/precision from a ransom rest though. I'm talking about shootability & accuracy AT SPEED. If most guys shoot faster & more accurate with subcompacts, why do such a small percentage of competition shooters use them? Extended mags would make up or capacity issues for Major PF, and Production & SSP are capped at 10rds anyway.

Again, if I can conceal a G26, I can just as easily conceal a G19, so the G26 doesn't really serve a purpose for me.

MonsterB
10-30-2012, 14:54
I'm familiar with Ayoob's writings, and they're part of why I bought a G30SF & G26 in the first place. I'm not talking about accuracy/precision from a ransom rest though. I'm talking about shootability & accuracy AT SPEED. If most guys shoot faster & more accurate with subcompacts, why do such a small percentage of competition shooters use them? Extended mags would make up or capacity issues for Major PF, and Production & SSP are capped at 10rds anyway.

Again, if I can conceal a G26, I can just as easily conceal a G19, so the G26 doesn't really serve a purpose for me.
I pretty much agree with this. I have had two g26's, and they are both gone, and I am now carrying a G23. I know the 26 and 27 are smaller, but it really doesnt make much of a difference. The part of a Glock I have a hard time hiding is the rear of the slide, which is the same size on both guns. I get a much better grip from the holster with a compact than with the sub compact, and I shoot the 23 as accurately as any Glock I have ever picked up. Dont get me wrong, I very much like the sub compacts, but the 23/19 is where its at in my mind. This being from a ccw perspective.

Gary13
10-30-2012, 15:25
I've never seen a G26 used in USPSA, and I quit shooting IDPA over 2 years ago. What Kind of match was it, where you saw the shooter was faster & more accurate with a G26 than that same shooter was with a G17?

There was a guy at the USPSA fun shoot this month in Oakdale shooting a 27 with 9mm conversion barrel from concealment and seemed to do pretty well. He is getting his CCW and wanted the practice.

Meathead9
10-30-2012, 16:31
There was a guy at the USPSA fun shoot this month in Oakdale shooting a 27 with 9mm conversion barrel from concealment and seemed to do pretty well. He is getting his CCW and wanted the practice.

I think it's badass when guys shoot their carry piece in competition, but I have a couple issues with that example. First, why would he not shoot 40 through his G27 if he wanted to get more proficient with his carry gun? Second, I hope he's not carrying that g27 with a 40-9 conversion barrel. I would never carry a gun with a conversion barrel for self defense, especially 40-9 in a Glock. Too much potential for failure IMHO.


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ScumPunisher
10-30-2012, 16:51
^ agreed

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Gary13
10-30-2012, 17:14
I think it's badass when guys shoot their carry piece in competition, but I have a couple issues with that example. First, why would he not shoot 40 through his G27 if he wanted to get more proficient with his carry gun? Second, I hope he's not carrying that g27 with a 40-9 conversion barrel. I would never carry a gun with a conversion barrel for self defense, especially 40-9 in a Glock. Too much potential for failure IMHO.

He said he was just saving a little money shooting 9. He said he will be carrying it with the stock barrel. I agree, it makes sense to shoot 40 for the practice even if it cost a little more.

Tkz
10-31-2012, 01:39
A lot for me has to do with comfort and being willing to dress around the gun. Someone once said concealed carry is supposed to be comforting not comfortable. I have a 11.1 oz titanium 38 that I can carry in any cloths and not even know shes there. It's nice. But in a real gunfight that's not my weapon of choice for sure.

I prefer a compact 45 as an EDC.
But for pocket carry,
even though shes fat and a little heavy,
my trusty G27 40-9mm isn't comfortable.
But she's comforting.

And loaded with 10+1 Winchester Ranger T-Series 127 gr +P+.
She just flat Kicks Ars.
https://www.t-mobilepictures.com/myalbum/thumbnail/photo40/e0/90/1fec21e6c63a__1351541121000.jpg?tw=0&th=720&s=true&rs=false

She is a short little fattie all right!

Chowser
10-31-2012, 01:58
I did something similar. I traded my Glock 33 for a Shield in 9mm.

The Glock 33 was regulated to body armor only gun (duty gun is Glock 31). I still carry a Glock 32 on the hip.

The 33 was too thick for my jeans pockets so the Shield fits that role quite nicely. I was carrying the 32 on the hip and 33 in my pocket before.

So far I only have 1100 flawless rounds through the Shield.

crimdelacrim
10-31-2012, 02:33
Just bought a shield. Bout to take it to the range. Although I have not shot it yet, I can tell you a good bit because I have had tons of sit down time with this gun. And from what I understand, it is just as reliable, if not more reliable, than glocks. I love it and it conceals much better and more comfortably than my G19. And, despite most glock fanboys, the thickness makes the gun. That is why I bought it.

Don't get me wrong. My G19 (gen 3) is great. When I got to know my way around it, I got irritated with the brass to my face/occasional stovepipes and decided to shop around. Found a barely used shield for a fair price for a gun in such high demand. I am kind of a skinny and have average sized, yet slender (don't want to hear that I am limp wristing the glock, I can shoot), hands. The single stack was perfect.

That being said...I still have BOTH the G19 and shield. I would definitely keep the G26 at least until you have studied both and decide the shield gives you the best use for your applications. I know that this is what other people have suggested but I just wanted to be one more vote on their side.

Side note, the shield does have more moving parts and is not quite as simple as the glock. When it comes to how complicated the gun is, the shield is pretty average. The safety does not really bother me. When I am sitting in church or something, I'm actually glad its there. Take care, good luck, and don't dwell on it too much. Let your gut figure it out.

AR15 guy
10-31-2012, 05:43
I am eagerly waiting for the XDs to come out in 9mm. People seem to love the Shield, but I found it didn't conceal that much better than the g26. The slide isn't much more narrow, but the grip is thin and longer than a g26 grip. I have shot two of them and for some reason I cannot stand the way they feel. I am hoping the XDs is a better option for me.

S. Kelly
11-03-2012, 21:45
Sell your 2.5 gen G26 in Mass for $699 and get another or a Shield, plus some ammo. It's Mass Compliant.

sigman69
11-04-2012, 06:35
save your money and buy a shield but dont trade the glock. I must say personally I would like to try the shield sometime...I have picked one up..them seem nice but I am a glock fan though.

RonS
11-04-2012, 08:48
There is a concept called threshold of notice. It applies to many things, if you change a thermostat setting in a public place, how many people notice? Some will notice a degree or two, some won't notice until they can see their breath. If the shield is enough thinner for you to carry it when you wouldn't carry your G26 then you might want one. Wouldn't trade though, usually a bad idea unless you are unhappy with the gun itself as opposed to one of those "Oooh, new must have toy, what can I trade" deals.

clarkstoncz
11-04-2012, 09:23
Honk, Honk!

After owning a horrid SHIELD and two M&P Compacts, I'd say stick with Glocks.

The M&P ice cream is just that. Horrible or broken triggers and all.

The fact that Smith is now putting SHIELD triggers in all M&Ps makes me barf!

In my mind, M&P stands for Malfunction-Prone.

Go ahead and buy one...you might have different results.

I've never has a lick of a problem with over 20 years of owning Glocks.

ubimow
11-04-2012, 19:26
I love the Glock 26 but I find it a little too thick to comfortably carry sometimes. I got a Kahr CM9 and LOVE it!! It's just so much more comfortable for me and I still have 7 rounds of 9mm.

If you are thinking of buying the Shield, you should seriously consider the Kahr, it weighs a lot less and there is no stupid external safety (unless you like that feature).

Pred8tory
11-04-2012, 20:08
Smith & Wesson has a history of replacing models constantly. If you think the Shield will be around for more than a couple of years you are kidding yourself. Go the Smith & Wesson Forum and look up "generations" of auto pistols. Unlike Glock the Smith pistols don't use the same magazines, holsters etc.. get it?