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mad220860
10-28-2012, 17:52
Will there be a run on guns and ammo like we saw in 2008 if the election comes out in favor for the current administration?

vafish
10-28-2012, 17:53
Probably.

Definitely if the dems take some more seats in the senate.

Smithers
10-28-2012, 18:12
Will there be a run on guns and ammo like we saw in 2008 if the election comes out in favor for the current administration?

I think the run has already started. It's a just in case thing.

Remember Rodney King anyone ?

danNiB-X
10-28-2012, 18:13
I think the run has already started. It's a just in case thing.

Remember Rodney King anyone ?

Yep, I've been on a run the last few months just in case...

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AK74play
10-28-2012, 18:14
I never have understood this. History tends to repeat its'self and all runs do is creat shortages and higher prices. It's like the buyers are screwing themselves. I have been stocking my private firearms needs & wants for years gradually. When the right gun came up at the right price I was always financally ready to jump and because of that my firearms needs are complete. Also I have been purchasing mags and ammo the same way. Been buying bulk and adding to my inventory sheet so I always know how many round of whatever I have in stock. Ammo I shoot on a regular basis I usually buy over the counter locally but the prices are already so high it's simply ridiculious. A new Gander Mountain has recently opened here and they have a TON of ammo in stock, but their prices are already the highest I have ever seen in my life. I really don't expect them to be open long, we'll see how that goes.
I strongly suggest if your in need of certain arms or ammo or mags you should already be making those purchases as soon as you can. I have many like minded friends who have also witnessed this befor and when it happens again we will again be sitting around watching people bleed for their supplies because they brought it on themselves.
If the current administration remains in power after this election, life as a FREE American is going to change like you never thought possible. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, you still have a chance to stop it. :wavey:

michael e
10-28-2012, 18:19
Well for the last two months I haven't been able to locate the 22s I like to use.

Found a deal on a AR lower and Uppers are priced crazy , or are all out of stock for the price I am looking to spend.

Primers seem to be out of stock, or hit or miss.

I bought all my reloading stuff for the year a little early to avoid the out of stock issues.

MNBud
10-28-2012, 18:28
My local shop just got in four boxes of my favorite 22's, bought one box when they were putting them on the shelf, I'm thinking I better get back tomorrow and buy another.

Shinytop
10-28-2012, 18:30
Been on the cusp of a new gun for weeks, reading and trying to decide among several contenders. So a couple that I am considering are not available locally so have been waiting for a gun show. In two weeks there is one 60 miles away in a slightly larger city, Mobile, and then in three weeks there will be one here in Pensacola. If O is elected I don't think 5 days will be enough time to ruin it by then.

michael e
10-28-2012, 18:31
My local shop just got in four boxes of my favorite 22's, bought one box when they were putting them on the shelf, I'm thinking I better get back tomorrow and buy another.
I have only found one brand that will run in all my 22s ( 10 diffrent guns) I still have about 10-12 525 packs but I like to restock for every pack I use. They told me they get them in but it's always diffrent days and all I could do is keep checking. Hoping that is just the pre election rush and in a couple of weeks they will be back around.

DSLAM
10-28-2012, 19:30
If the current administration remains in power after this election, life as a FREE American is going to change like you never thought possible.
This is so ridiculous. People say that every election time and it just turns out to not be true. People get so freaked out about Dems, they think the world is going to end and, surprise surprise, it never does. Also, many dont realize how many Dems and liberals are gun owners and users. Dont believe the hype, everything is going to be fine.

TxGlock9
10-28-2012, 19:53
This is so ridiculous. People say that every election time and it just turns out to not be true. People get so freaked out about Dems, they think the world is going to end and, surprise surprise, it never does. Also, many dont realize how many Dems and liberals are gun owners and users. Dont believe the hype, everything is going to be fine.

He never said anything about democrats. lol.

Warp
10-28-2012, 19:57
He never said anything about democrats. lol.

He said "if the current administration remains in power"

The current administration is Democrat.

Further, the context of the thread/discussion up to that point revolved around Democrats.

A reasonable interpretation of his statement thus concludes that he was, in fact, talking about democrats.

Hope this helps.

SJ 40
10-28-2012, 20:08
In case you haven't noticed it's already started at least in my neck of the woods.
Used guns are in short supply,prices are up,ammunition is not in great stock on the selfs and reloading components are starting to disappear along with the ammunition.
Not as bad as 08 yet but none the less starting again. SJ 40

TxGlock9
10-28-2012, 20:09
Misread his post gotcha..

rustytxrx
10-28-2012, 20:17
Well need to re-enforce foundation if any more weight. I think I am good to go even as competition shooter.

Rusty
Texas, I luv u

Warp
10-28-2012, 20:24
My local gunstore's supply of bulk 5.56 and .223, as of last week:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/austin3161324/Firearms/20121026_164527_zps5e802ae8.jpg

Gpruitt54
10-28-2012, 20:48
If there is run, it will created by those with vested interests in companies selling guns and ammo. Or, those intent on creating a boogy man; like Obama the non-American, or Obama the Socialists, or Obama the Communists, or Obama the whatever. After 4 years of the Obama administration, there has been not one attempt to take guns from anyone.

People believe what they want to believe. And people believe what are told to believe. In this case, people are being told that Obama wants to take guns from Americans, going to happen. After 4 years of this administration, it has not happened. There is no reason to believe it will happen during the next 4.

Warp
10-28-2012, 20:51
If there is run, it will created by those with vested interests in companies selling guns and ammo. Or, those intent on creating a boogy man; like Obama the non-American, or Obama the Socialists, or Obama the Communists, or Obama the whatever. After 4 years of the Obama administration, there has been not one attempt to take guns from anyone.

People believe what they want to believe. And people believe what are told to believe. In this case, people are being told that Obama wants to take guns from Americans, going to happen. After 4 years of this administration, it has not happened. There is no reason to believe it will happen during the next 4.

There doesn't have to be any attempt to take guns from anyone to make having what you want a good idea.

Even when they did pass an AWB in 1994 there was not one attempt to take guns from anyone.

And I think you are wrong. People aren't talking about "Obama wants to take guns from Americans". People are talking about the possibility of additional restrictions, difficulty, or cost in the future acquisition of firearms, magazines, or ammo.

I find your position, as quoted, to be a straw man.

DSLAM
10-28-2012, 21:54
If there is run, it will created by those with vested interests in companies selling guns and ammo. Or, those intent on creating a boogy man; like Obama the non-American, or Obama the Socialists, or Obama the Communists, or Obama the whatever. After 4 years of the Obama administration, there has been not one attempt to take guns from anyone.

People believe what they want to believe. And people believe what are told to believe. In this case, people are being told that Obama wants to take guns from Americans, going to happen. After 4 years of this administration, it has not happened. There is no reason to believe it will happen during the next 4.
Absolutely 100% correct.

fuzzy03cls
10-29-2012, 06:40
There doesn't have to be any attempt to take guns from anyone to make having what you want a good idea.

Even when they did pass an AWB in 1994 there was not one attempt to take guns from anyone.

And I think you are wrong. People aren't talking about "Obama wants to take guns from Americans". People are talking about the possibility of additional restrictions, difficulty, or cost in the future acquisition of firearms, magazines, or ammo.

I find your position, as quoted, to be a straw man.
I disagree. Panic buying makes it suck for EVERYONE. I just started to get into shooting in Dec of 08. Boy did I get sticker shock. I think it's minds like this that create more of the panic. Even if O did try he doesn't have the support to pass anything. Even his own party doesn't want to touch that subject. This isn't 1994. More Americans own guns, gun business is big & creates billions of $ & jobs. It's become more of American culture.

Travclem
10-29-2012, 10:24
I disagree. Panic buying makes it suck for EVERYONE. I just started to get into shooting in Dec of 08. Boy did I get sticker shock. I think it's minds like this that create more of the panic. Even if O did try he doesn't have the support to pass anything. Even his own party doesn't want to touch that subject. This isn't 1994. More Americans own guns, gun business is big & creates billions of $ & jobs. It's become more of American culture.
If it gets done by the SCOTUS, congress doesn't touch it.

brickboy240
10-29-2012, 11:14
Number one....everything is NOT "going to be just fine." Have you not been paying attention to the financial world or anything outside of MSNBC?

Number two. What happend in 2008 SHOULD have woken everyone up and you SHOULD already have a large stash that you squirreled away.

If not...then you must be one of the "everything is going to be just fine" people. Just go back to sleep...Jim Cramer will be coming on soon to tell you how well the "recovery" is going and how happy days are just around the corner. LOL

If you did not prepare or cannot see how dangerous a second Obama term will be to our way of life...well...

-brickboy240

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 11:31
If you did not prepare or cannot see how dangerous a second Obama term will be to our way of life...well...:wow:I'm afraid you're living in a fantasy world, you've been watching too much Fox "news".
Everything will be fine. Trust me, come back to this thread in 4 years and tell me with a straight face how "dangerous to our way of life" his second term turned out.

MikeG36
10-29-2012, 11:45
Not yet where I live but ammo prices seem to have gone up a bit.

Warp
10-29-2012, 12:03
I disagree.

Which statement of mine do you disagree with, specifically, and why?

Are you claiming that when the federal AWB passed in 1994, they tried to take people's guns away from them?

captaintrips
10-29-2012, 12:08
Let's say for a moment that President Obama does want to take all the guns (I do not believe he does, but let's postulate).

Congress would have to act first, a President has no authority to act alone on these matters (Checks and Balances, Civics 101). Many Republicans in the House would have to vote for the measure, then at least 8-10 Republicans in the Senate would have to agree with it to avoid a filibuster.

Then after the POTUS signs the bill into law, one or two of the Conservative wing to the Supreme Court would have to agree with the Constitutionality of the law.

In short, if there is comprehensive gun legislation in this country, it will be because BOTH parties agree to it.

If you enjoy paying high prices for guns and ammo, go for it. I will wait for deals online or just wait until everybody settles down in a few months.

Warp
10-29-2012, 12:11
Let's say for a moment that President Obama does want to take all the guns (I do not believe he does, but let's postulate).

Congress would have to act first, a President has no authority to act alone on these matters (Checks and Balances, Civics 101). Many Republicans in the House would have to vote for the measure, then at least 8-10 Republicans in the Senate would have to agree with it to avoid a filibuster.

Then after the POTUS signs the bill into law, one or two of the Conservative wing to the Supreme Court would have to agree with the Constitutionality of the law.

In short, if there is comprehensive gun legislation in this country, it will be because BOTH parties agree to it.

If you enjoy paying high prices for guns and ammo, go for it. I will wait for deals online or just wait until everybody settles down in a few months.


This is where a lot of people will come in and talk about the Executive Order.

What would be your response to them?

captaintrips
10-29-2012, 12:27
This is where a lot of people will come in and talk about the Executive Order.

What would be your response to them?

Executive Orders can and have been overturned by courts. Granted it hasn't happened often it is still within the courts ability to do so.

Since any firearm related Executive Order would bring up Constitutional issues, the Supreme Court would become involved.

Warp
10-29-2012, 12:33
Executive Orders can and have been overturned by courts. Granted it hasn't happened often it is still within the courts ability to do so.

Since any firearm related Executive Order would bring up Constitutional issues, the Supreme Court would become involved.

You should check out this thread, especially the most recent posts.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1449647&page=2

guns54
10-29-2012, 12:37
I have been buying what ever i get. When i have the funds.But i have been like that all my life.

brickboy240
10-29-2012, 12:39
The concern is not with Obama trying to pass some sort of gun ban in his second term. The reason for stocking up goes way beyond that.

Take a look around you. The price of gas has doubled in less than 4 years, food prices and other energy prices are climbing as well. the job market is flat as is the housing market and the stock market. Foreclosures are still going up as is the number of people leaving the job market in America.

The current administration has been printing money like mad and the Fed has just passed QE3...which is basically print money and spend forever. The more money the Fed prints means the value of the USD keeps going down. They will TELL you that there is no inflation right now but if you have bought gas or groceries lately you know that is a lie.

The country is in deep debt as is many other large nations and there is no chance of paying any of this off. As our fiat money system keeps going along, you will find prices on everything going up and up.

There is a TON of very bad things going on right now and nope....I am not being spoon fed this by Fox News (in fact, I really don't watch much of that channel). This is not paranoia or tin foil hattery....we are in a financial position in which we have never seen before in the country's history.

(...and we are not "too big to fail" either)

You can choose to ignore all of this or plan for it and stock up.

I am pretty sure the Romans, Greeks, English and even the Soviets also thought "everything is fine" and that they were "too big to fail" but where are they today.

Turn off the X-box and stop watching football and take a look around your world.

-brickboy240

Warp
10-29-2012, 12:50
The concern is not with Obama trying to pass some sort of gun ban in his second term. The reason for stocking up goes way beyond that.

Take a look around you. The price of gas has doubled in less than 4 years, food prices and other energy prices are climbing as well. the job market is flat as is the housing market and the stock market. Foreclosures are still going up as is the number of people leaving the job market in America.

The current administration has been printing money like mad and the Fed has just passed QE3...which is basically print money and spend forever. The more money the Fed prints means the value of the USD keeps going down. They will TELL you that there is no inflation right now but if you have bought gas or groceries lately you know that is a lie.

The country is in deep debt as is many other large nations and there is no chance of paying any of this off. As our fiat money system keeps going along, you will find prices on everything going up and up.

There is a TON of very bad things going on right now and nope....I am not being spoon fed this by Fox News (in fact, I really don't watch much of that channel). This is not paranoia or tin foil hattery....we are in a financial position in which we have never seen before in the country's history.

(...and we are not "too big to fail" either)

You can choose to ignore all of this or plan for it and stock up.

I am pretty sure the Romans, Greeks, English and even the Soviets also thought "everything is fine" and that they were "too big to fail" but where are they today.

Turn off the X-box and stop watching football and take a look around your world.

-brickboy240


What Greeks, and when, are you comparing to, exactly?

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 12:52
There is a TON of very bad things going on right now ...You can choose to ignore all of this or plan for it and stock up.
Ah, I see what you are saying now. Well, there always a TON of bad things going on, all the time, but humanity tends to muddle through.
It's true all things come to an end, or at least change. At some point the American empire will see some sort of transformation but as you pointed out, previous empires did not see it coming. Therefore, if you think you see it coming, you probably dont.
No, assuming there is no asteroid impact or something like that, I think we will be fine for a while. You can prep all you want but you will probably be wrong and spend a lot of money doing so.

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 12:56
What Greeks, and when, are you comparing to, exactly? Haha, good question. Perhaps either the Athenian Empire or the Macedonian Empire?

Warp
10-29-2012, 13:03
Haha, good question. Perhaps either the Athenian Empire or the Macedonian Empire?

As I recall the Athenian Empire (which was pretty short lived) went down to war (what we call the Peloponnesian War) and plague...and I'm less knowledgeable about the Macedonian Empire but I'm pretty sure that went down because Alexander died and nobody else stepped up to take his place and hold the various sub-kingdoms together.

The whole thing just sounds like somebody who doesn't really know history rattling off prior 'empires', but isn't really getting it right.

Somebody feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.


And before anybody says it...the Peloponnesian War was far above and beyond the war we are currently involved in.

brickboy240
10-29-2012, 13:16
The fact is that the Fed will continue to print and spend US Dollars. This makes your dollar worth less.

Haven't you noticed how the price of ammunition has climbed in recent years? Why do you think so? Because it now takes more dollars to buy raw materials to make that ammo. Same reason why energy and food costs are going up.

This will continue and probably do so at a faster pace as time goes on. If I told you in 08 that gas prices would more than double in less than 4 years....you would have said I was crazy...right? Well that happened...didn't it?

Listen...this is NOT about some sort of doomsday Mad Max sort of world but a slow descent and a slow ramp up in the cost of everything we buy. This, along with the continuing debt pile on and increase in numbers of those on welfare and food stamps and we are in for a bumpy ride...BUT...it is not as if the lights are going off and it will be chaos right away.

This will all happen over time. Along with this will be the increase in crimes of all kinds.

Knowing that this is coming and preparing by buying a few things that WILL go up in price steeply in the future is not crazy or paranoid...it is being smart.

The cost of guns and ammo WILL go up. Your ability to be able to afford to buy these things in the future will most likely be hampered by the fact that you will have to put more money into your gas tank and pantry first.

Am I the only one that is paying attention to all of this?

-brickboy240

Warp
10-29-2012, 13:18
Am I the only one that is paying attention to all of this?

-brickboy240

Which Greek Empire, and when, were you referencing?

glockmaniac
10-29-2012, 13:26
If there is run, it will created by those with vested interests in companies selling guns and ammo. Or, those intent on creating a boogy man; like Obama the non-American, or Obama the Socialists, or Obama the Communists, or Obama the whatever. After 4 years of the Obama administration, there has been not one attempt to take guns from anyone.

People believe what they want to believe. And people believe what are told to believe. In this case, people are being told that Obama wants to take guns from Americans, going to happen. After 4 years of this administration, it has not happened. There is no reason to believe it will happen during the next 4.

Ya, and if it does just don't vote for obama in 2016 :dunno:

t4terrific
10-29-2012, 14:16
This is so ridiculous. People say that every election time and it just turns out to not be true. People get so freaked out about Dems, they think the world is going to end and, surprise surprise, it never does. Also, many dont realize how many Dems and liberals are gun owners and users. Dont believe the hype, everything is going to be fine.

What a short memory you have. It hasn't been long since we outlasted Clinton's ban on many types of popular rifles and magazines with capacities greater than 10 rounds.

Our presidente seems to be against handguns, and guns in general. With a second term, he will admittedly have much more freedom to pursue his goals both foreign and domestic.

t4terrific
10-29-2012, 14:18
:wow:I'm afraid you're living in a fantasy world, you've been watching too much Fox "news".
Everything will be fine. Trust me, come back to this thread in 4 years and tell me with a straight face how "dangerous to our way of life" his second term turned out.

His first term has been disastrous. His second term holds no need to worry about the American People, since they won't be a ble to vote again.

t4terrific
10-29-2012, 14:21
Executive Orders can and have been overturned by courts. Granted it hasn't happened often it is still within the courts ability to do so.

Since any firearm related Executive Order would bring up Constitutional issues, the Supreme Court would become involved.

It will be Obama's liberal supreme court, and would want to get the guns anyway.

t4terrific
10-29-2012, 14:25
As I recall the Athenian Empire (which was pretty short lived) went down to war (what we call the Peloponnesian War) and plague...and I'm less knowledgeable about the Macedonian Empire but I'm pretty sure that went down because Alexander died and nobody else stepped up to take his place and hold the various sub-kingdoms together.

The whole thing just sounds like somebody who doesn't really know history rattling off prior 'empires', but isn't really getting it right.

Somebody feel free to correct me if I am mistaken.


And before anybody says it...the Peloponnesian War was far above and beyond the war we are currently involved in.

You don't think a war with China and/or Russia could be the end of The American Empire?

Smithers
10-29-2012, 14:26
If there is run, it will created by those with vested interests in companies selling guns and ammo. Or, those intent on creating a boogy man; like Obama the non-American, or Obama the Socialists, or Obama the Communists, or Obama the whatever. After 4 years of the Obama administration, there has been not one attempt to take guns from anyone.

People believe what they want to believe. And people believe what are told to believe. In this case, people are being told that Obama wants to take guns from Americans, going to happen. After 4 years of this administration, it has not happened. There is no reason to believe it will happen during the next 4.

Difference - He will have nothing to lose in the second term. PLUS - He will stack the Supreme Court.

"What I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally," Obama said during the debate at Hofstra University. "Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced." - Obama second debate

jkf74
10-29-2012, 14:30
As of right now, nothing is in short supply in my area. All popular calibers and reloading components are pretty easy to find at good prices.

Warp
10-29-2012, 14:32
You don't think a war with China and/or Russia could be the end of The American Empire?

I didn't realize we had gone from discussing reality and what might actually happen to playing out possible Hollywood scripts

phil evans
10-29-2012, 14:33
:rofl:silly me :
for believing :
executive orders are overturned by the gutless republican house.
house leader? > bohener, et. al.
gutless republicans have lived under a non existant budget for 3 years.
you do not have a budget - then you can not spend - right.
is that right?
no adopted law - well then you can not enforce that.
is that right?
look at laws being enforced and adopted laws not being enforced - by the AG.
inept dumb ass believers that this mess in congress and DC it will work itself out.

brickboy240
10-29-2012, 14:35
If Obama gets re-elected, those that are the biggest proponents of gun control MIGHT try to spur a bigger ban than Clinton did in 94. After all...its not as if he will be running for re-election and the economy is gone...why not try to push through some more of their agenda as they did with Obamacare?

However, if you have been paying attention, you SHOULD have been quietly and slowly building up a stash of arms and ammo after 2008. Its not as if any of this stuff is going to lose value or get any cheaper!

-brickboy240

t4terrific
10-29-2012, 14:49
I didn't realize we had gone from discussing reality and what might actually happen to playing out possible Hollywood scripts

Apparently you have... or do you think it's not possible

Fire_Medic
10-29-2012, 14:50
I think there is panic, but not as bad as last time around.

I myself have seen prices on my reloading stuff from the usual places I shop at go up and many items are just flat out not in stock. Good thing I have stocked up well for "my" needs little by little.

I have all the guns I "need" but not all I want, but I will not pay ridiculous prices for many things because folks are driving the prices up being silly with "panic" buying. If you think there is no panic, then someone tell me why "Spike's Tacitcal" stripped lowers (used as an example) which have long been selling for $89 each, are now back to $125 (if you can find it in stock) and the company states on their website new orders have a backlog of 8-12 months.

I was recently shopping around for a couple of lowers by chance for new builds, and it was an interesting and eye opening experience. Some of the prices of stuff is flat out hilarious.

But I also remember well when people scooped up Colt 6920's last go around for inflated prices thinking they were going to sell them for 4X what they paid and they a lot of guys ended up losing money down the road.

I also think most folks have no clue of what NATO was trying to pull during this presidents term.........

oldman11
10-29-2012, 14:54
This is so ridiculous. People say that every election time and it just turns out to not be true. People get so freaked out about Dems, they think the world is going to end and, surprise surprise, it never does. Also, many dont realize how many Dems and liberals are gun owners and users. Dont believe the hype, everything is going to be fine.
Yeah, I'm sure you would like us to believe that. :rofl:

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 15:01
Our presidente seems to be against handguns, and guns in general.Not exactly the most cogent argument.

KIDRAY
10-29-2012, 15:04
Go ahead and buy up ready to shoot ammo, I would rather reload empty brass. I can reload a box of 50 9mm ammo for about $6.00, factory reloads at the gun show are $10.99 and up for a box of 50. Besides when the weather is foul, not much to do but clean/lube firearms and reload ammo.

Does anyone reload, or am I just old school ?

Providence
10-29-2012, 15:05
:wow:I'm afraid you're living in a fantasy world, you've been watching too much Fox "news".
Everything will be fine. Trust me, come back to this thread in 4 years and tell me with a straight face how "dangerous to our way of life" his second term turned out.DSLAM joined October 2, 2012. 12 posts. Another visitor from DU?

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 15:06
His first term has been disastrous. How so exactly?
His second term holds no need to worry about the American People, since they won't be a ble to vote again. This is just silly, just complete lala land nonsense.

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 15:08
DSLAM joined October 2, 2012. 12 posts. Another visitor from DU?
I just got my first Glock, the gen4 23, so I joined the forum. Sold my Sig Pro that I've had for 8 years. What's DU?

GPBob
10-29-2012, 15:27
Yeah, I'm sure you would like us to believe that. :rofl:

Yea, there a passel of them commie, pinko, fag, socialist, John Birch Society hatin, bleeding heart liberal, apple pie hatin, and oh yea, flag burnin, limp wristed, loser, Bush bashin, lazy, tit suckin, free loaders at that place called The Liberal Gun Club.

FireForged
10-29-2012, 15:31
I predict some watered down version of the AWB and a added tax to ammo. You heard it from FF first! 10-29-12

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 16:10
Yea, there a passel of them commie, pinko, fag, socialist, John Birch Society hatin, bleeding heart liberal, apple pie hatin, and oh yea, flag burnin, limp wristed, loser, Bush bashin, lazy, tit suckin, free loaders at that place called The Liberal Gun Club.
Mr. GPBob, what you've written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Smithers
10-29-2012, 16:20
Mr. GPBob, what you've written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

I see we have a "Billy Madison" fan in the audience.

English
10-29-2012, 16:21
This kind of time four years ago I said in GT that Obama would not bring in extra restrictions on guns or ammunition and I was called an idiot by numerous people. I also said that the reason was that he would not wish to jepardise his re-election but that in his second term he would tighten firearms regulation. We might or might not have the opportunity to see if I was right about that too.

English

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 16:22
I see we have a "Billy Madison" fan in the audience.haha, yeah I love that clip. I've been waiting to use it for a while. That ol' charmer GPBob just made it too tempting.

GPBob
10-29-2012, 16:35
Mr. GPBob, what you've written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Hey, hold on a minute, that whole blather was done tongue in cheek.

I appreciate your view point, and mostly agree with you and I'm sure you realize you are not going to change any one's mind.

GPBob
10-29-2012, 16:39
I see we have a "Billy Madison" fan in the audience.


I was thinking more "Alice's Restaurant".

Warp
10-29-2012, 16:43
This kind of time four years ago I said in GT that Obama would not bring in extra restrictions on guns or ammunition and I was called an idiot by numerous people. I also said that the reason was that he would not wish to jepardise his re-election but that in his second term he would tighten firearms regulation. We might or might not have the opportunity to see if I was right about that too.

English

Same here.

I even put off buying my first/only "assault weapon" or "assault rifle" (finally got one this year), and didn't buy ammo for something like 1.5 years while I waited for the craziness to settle down.

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 16:45
Hey, hold on a minute, that whole blather was done tongue in cheek.

I appreciate your view point, and mostly agree with you and I'm sure you realize you are not going to change any one's mind.Ah ok, got it. You never know on these forums. I took it totally seriously. I didnt need to get medieval on you then. :rofl:

GPBob
10-29-2012, 16:50
Ah ok, got it. You never know on these forums. I took it totally seriously. I didnt need to get medieval on you then. :rofl:

Quite all right. I do enjoy these forums more when we discuss guns and gun stuff.

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 17:57
Quite all right. I do enjoy these forums more when we discuss guns and gun stuff.
I totally agree.

M&P15T
10-29-2012, 18:09
There will be higher prices and lower availability for most things firearms related.

For no reason other than the fact that firearms owners tend to be paranoid chicken littles that think the sky is falling.

We firearms owners are our own worst enemy.

t4terrific
10-29-2012, 18:16
Go ahead and buy up ready to shoot ammo, I would rather reload empty brass. I can reload a box of 50 9mm ammo for about $6.00, factory reloads at the gun show are $10.99 and up for a box of 50. Besides when the weather is foul, not much to do but clean/lube firearms and reload ammo.

Does anyone reload, or am I just old school ?

No. You are the only one.

t4terrific
10-29-2012, 18:21
Not exactly the most cogent argument.

What?

t4terrific
10-29-2012, 18:31
How so exactly?
This is just silly, just complete lala land nonsense.

My health insurance goes up $70 a month Jan 1, and coverage is getting far worse. That's O's doing. Gas and food prices are far higher than they were 4 years ago as a result of his policies. Large companies are paying far less toward their employees health insurance than ever as a result of Healthcare Reform.

My company is raising our charge for company vehicles by $30 a month due to higher taxes on such things.

There are many more examples, but Obama's policies have taken a lot of money out of my families pockets and we have less to show for our labor than we did 4 years ago. Guess what? Our national debt is staggering, and it's still growing. We are losing, and our nation isn't even getting out of debt.

Who is making more money than when Bush was president? Oil companies and Insurance companies. Go figure.

AK74play
10-29-2012, 18:40
This is so ridiculous. People say that every election time and it just turns out to not be true. People get so freaked out about Dems, they think the world is going to end and, surprise surprise, it never does. Also, many dont realize how many Dems and liberals are gun owners and users. Dont believe the hype, everything is going to be fine.

This is the only ridiculious part. I NEVER mentioned anything about Democrats or Liberals. These titles as is Republicans meens ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to me. But the Socialist in office right now is a dangerous man. I know his record befor he ran for president, and I have seen his almost 4 year decline of America and his constant ignoring of the Constitution of the United States. You know, the document that under presidential oath, he swore to uphold and defend. Why do people like you read such crap into everything someone else says?? You have your opinion and I respect that. It is one of your rights, but I have a right to mine also, so let it go or let it eat you up, I really don't care which.

AK74play
10-29-2012, 18:45
He said "if the current administration remains in power"

The current administration is Democrat.

Further, the context of the thread/discussion up to that point revolved around Democrats.

A reasonable interpretation of his statement thus concludes that he was, in fact, talking about democrats.

Hope this helps.

Hope this helps you... There is no interpretation. Political parties were not mentioned or implied. I was referring to your current President. ANYONE can interpret that anyway they want, but being the one that said it I can ASSURE you I was only addressing the current President, again I hope this helps.

DanS26
10-29-2012, 18:47
This kind of time four years ago I said in GT that Obama would not bring in extra restrictions on guns or ammunition and I was called an idiot by numerous people. I also said that the reason was that he would not wish to jepardise his re-election but that in his second term he would tighten firearms regulation. We might or might not have the opportunity to see if I was right about that too.

English

Totally agree with you. My thoughts concerning Obama's reelection four years ago when he was just elected revolved around two things. #1 Hands off gun regulation and #2 Being attacked again similar to 911. Obama has stayed away from gun regulation in his first term, but I think he will aggressively pursue disarming America in his second term. The Libya response confirmed my suspicion that a Muslim attack would derail his reelection. Give credit to Hillary for taking a bullet for Barack. She said it was her responsibility for the Libya attack. Of course we all know the real reason she said that. It seems to me a second term is inevitable. Hold on to your guns and ammo, its going to be a long four more years.

Warp
10-29-2012, 18:59
Hope this helps you... There is no interpretation. Political parties were not mentioned or implied. I was referring to your current President. ANYONE can interpret that anyway they want, but being the one that said it I can ASSURE you I was only addressing the current President, again I hope this helps.

I misunderstood. Usually people use the word "administration" to mean more than one single individual.

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 19:02
These titles as is Republicans meens ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to me. But the Socialist in office right now...You see the problem here dont you? Compare the first sentence to the second one.

...I have seen his almost 4 year decline of America...
You must think he is a very powerful president. All of the problems are because of him. He must have mind control over millions of people to do his evil bidding.

and his constant ignoring of the Constitution of the United States. This is constantly claimed from the right, people just say it, copy-cat style from hearing it over and over but they can never show exactly how. It funny, when G W Bush really, really, truly, actually, genuinely was violating the constitution you never seemed to hear this, so strange.

You know, the document that under presidential oath, he swore to uphold and defend. He taught constitutional law. He knows very well the powers and limitation of his office as outlined in the constitution. Do you honestly think that all of the FBI, CIA, Justice Dept, Congress and the Supreme Court would just sit there and do NOTHING if he really was, ACTUALLY, violating the constitution? Think about it, it would have to be some grand conspiracy involving 10s of thousands of government officials from both parties somehow helping do it and cover it up. All for what, just so he can try to do something like improve healthcare availability for more people or encourage green tech investment? Does that make sense?

railfancwb
10-29-2012, 19:03
Congress would have to act first, a President has no authority to act alone on these matters (Checks and Balances, Civics 101).

Executive Order, Obamanation




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DSLAM
10-29-2012, 19:12
My health insurance goes up $70 a month Jan 1, and coverage is getting far worse. That's O's doing. Gas and food prices are far higher than they were 4 years ago as a result of his policies. Large companies are paying far less toward their employees health insurance than ever as a result of Healthcare Reform.
You're examples are completely perfect of things that are either improving or will improve precisely because of Obama's adminstration and team. The gas prices example is weak because presidents rarely have any power of gas prices. They went up like crazy during the Bush years but they cant be blamed on him really. But if we dont use as much because of renewable energies then the prices will go down.
At any rate, the fact that you directly and squarely blamed all the examples you give, implausibly, onto the president shows that you have sort of crossed a line of rationality and no amount of posting on my part would be able to disabuse you of a central belief that you have, namely that president Obama is to blame and is the problem. I therefore won't be able to engage in any substantive discourse with you. Carry on.

Gpruitt54
10-29-2012, 20:02
There doesn't have to be any attempt to take guns from anyone to make having what you want a good idea.

Even when they did pass an AWB in 1994 there was not one attempt to take guns from anyone.

And I think you are wrong. People aren't talking about "Obama wants to take guns from Americans". People are talking about the possibility of additional restrictions, difficulty, or cost in the future acquisition of firearms, magazines, or ammo.

I find your position, as quoted, to be a straw man.

Oh I beg to differ. There are people on this, and many forums saying that Obama wants to take dung from Americans. When Obama was elected, gun stores were crazy with people buying guns and ammo. This before one single cabinet member was selected. Where did this run on guns come from? It came from people and organizations using scare tactics that Obama wanted to take guns from Americans.

So, we disagree. OK, then we disagree. But we can discuss it, right?

snowbird.40
10-29-2012, 20:10
What a joke! The NRA, arms manufacturers and ammo manufacturers have been driving an entire industry (and NRA membership) with these bogus scare tactics every time a Democratic administration comes into office. It's called fear-mongering, people, and the last time any new gun laws were passed, the movement was driven by a, gasp, Republican after the assassination attempt on President Reagan.

Doesn't anyone have a sense of history and FACTS anymore? Is it all about fear and manipulated FEELINGS? I think we're in greater danger of a general population, including gun owners, that has become brain dead and the puppets of media manipulations.

Welcome to the brave new world.

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 20:22
What a joke! The NRA, arms manufacturers and ammo manufacturers have been driving an entire industry (and NRA membership) with these bogus scare tactics every time a Democratic administration comes into office. It's called fear-mongering, people, and the last time any new gun laws were passed, the movement was driven by a, gasp, Republican after the assassination attempt on President Reagan.

Doesn't anyone have a sense of history and FACTS anymore? Is it all about fear and manipulated FEELINGS? I think we're in greater danger of a general population, including gun owners, that has become brain dead and the puppets of media manipulations.
Exactly, this man is talking sense. Every.single.time. there is an election the NRA and the industry LOVE getting everyone all riled up so they go on a membership and hardware buying frenzy "cuz the big bad evil Dems are gonna take away our guns and destroy 'merica" and the NRA and gun sellers laugh all the way to the bank. People need to relax. Have a sandwich, clean your gun, do some target practice. Things are gonna be ok.

Gpruitt54
10-29-2012, 20:31
Number one....everything is NOT "going to be just fine." Have you not been paying attention to the financial world or anything outside of MSNBC?

Number two. What happend in 2008 SHOULD have woken everyone up and you SHOULD already have a large stash that you squirreled away.

If not...then you must be one of the "everything is going to be just fine" people. Just go back to sleep...Jim Cramer will be coming on soon to tell you how well the "recovery" is going and how happy days are just around the corner. LOL

If you did not prepare or cannot see how dangerous a second Obama term will be to our way of life...well...

-brickboy240

You appear to be saying that the **** storm we are crawling through since 2008 is a Republican **** storm. I think I agree with that. I recall that in the closing days of Bush's administration, when Bush was still President and still responsible for the country, he Bush, started the bailout to put a patch on the problem that he Bush, was responsible for and ran back to the White house to pack his grip and got out of Dodge.

Perhaps you are suffering from Romnesia.

Warp
10-29-2012, 20:52
Oh I beg to differ. There are people on this, and many forums saying that Obama wants to take dung from Americans. When Obama was elected, gun stores were crazy with people buying guns and ammo. This before one single cabinet member was selected. Where did this run on guns come from? It came from people and organizations using scare tactics that Obama wanted to take guns from Americans.

So, we disagree. OK, then we disagree. But we can discuss it, right?

They did so because they were worried about future availability of those items.

Not (at least for the VAST majority) because they feared the government was going to try to take those things.

You aren't even disagreeing with me, I think, you are simply not understanding.

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 21:22
You appear to be saying that the **** storm we are crawling through since 2008 is a Republican **** storm. I think I agree with that. I recall that in the closing days of Bush's administration, when Bush was still President and still responsible for the country, he Bush, started the bailout to put a patch on the problem that he Bush, was responsible for and ran back to the White house to pack his grip and got out of Dodge.
Very well put.

Perhaps you are suffering from Romnesia.:rofl:Awesome

Ruggles
10-29-2012, 21:29
I hope he gets thrown out of the office, I voted today to help that happen.


That being said this country can and will withstand 4 more years of him, good Lord we have been thru worse and have managed to hang on :) I have more faith in America than fear of Obama in my heart.

Plenty old guns and ammo around here in Texas, black guns, "high" capacity handgun and mags are easy to find in any shop around here. Ammo the same. So if a run does happen is sure has not started it seems. I am sure we will see some panic buying but nothing like last time IMO.

sonoma
10-29-2012, 21:58
Our biggest gun show is 4 days after the election.If obama wins the dealers will use that as an excuse to jack up the prices alot.If Romney wins the dealers will use that as an excuse to jack up the prices a little.6 months ago i bought glock mags for $23.00 a piece.I will see how much they are this time.

Wurger
10-29-2012, 22:05
This is so ridiculous. People say that every election time and it just turns out to not be true. People get so freaked out about Dems, they think the world is going to end and, surprise surprise, it never does. Also, many dont realize how many Dems and liberals are gun owners and users. Dont believe the hype, everything is going to be fine.


BS......lived through Bill Clinton. The Assult Weapons Ban that they passed was not everything they wanted. It was real close to losing all semi-auto pistols, rifles and shotguns. Sold my Glock 19 and bought a S&W Model 19 (2 3/4" .357 Revolver) at the time when they were hammering out the details of the ban. The 10 round magazine restrictions was a 'compromise'.

Freakin vote next week or we are all hosed when the anointed one knows he has four years to run wild!!!!!!!

Wurger
10-29-2012, 22:08
Exactly, this man is talking sense. Every.single.time. there is an election the NRA and the industry LOVE getting everyone all riled up so they go on a membership and hardware buying frenzy "cuz the big bad evil Dems are gonna take away our guns and destroy 'merica" and the NRA and gun sellers laugh all the way to the bank. People need to relax. Have a sandwich, clean your gun, do some target practice. Things are gonna be ok.

More BS.....why don't you take a trip to the UK or Austrailia? You sound like a mole. Things are NOT going to be OK!!! History (if you can read) proves it.

.... People need to relax. Have a sandwich, clean your gun, do some target practice. Things are gonna be ok.

You forgot one "Drink the Kool-Aid......it will be ok"

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRfhDQYLDrPDVv5LjauK5TQSBsOpWETuEm5yI--xTtF_pHclp7d6g Jim Jones

DSLAM
10-29-2012, 22:45
More BS.....why don't you take a trip to the UK or Austrailia? You sound like a mole. Things are NOT going to be OK!!! History (if you can read) proves it.
A mole? That's paranoid "the enemy within" thinking. As for UK and Australia, you're not paying attention. As I mentioned before there are lots of Democrat and liberal gun owners. The US has a long gun culture. The Obama admin is not interested in taking that on. It's foolish to fall for all this hype. Just come back to the thread 4 years from now and tell me how bad it was.
Go ahead and buy up all the ammo and guns you can. It will be for naught and maybe the rest of us can get better deals on used equipment.

Warp
10-29-2012, 22:57
I would love to dig up the 4 year old threads where I said that what would (not) happen did (not) happen, but it seems the GT Search feature is extraordinarily limited

Ruggles
10-29-2012, 22:59
Alot of folks (me included) got caught up in the buying scare last election, won't happen again this time, not to the same scale anyways. Plus we still have all that crap we bought last scare so no need to buy more this time around :)

Warp
10-29-2012, 23:04
Alot of folks (me included) got caught up in the buying scare last election, won't happen again this time, not to the same scale anyways. Plus we still have all that crap we bought last scare so no need to buy more this time around :)

Sounds about right.

cadillacguns
10-30-2012, 03:45
My local Wal-Mart just started the TWO BOXES per purchase program again, to keep the hoarders/dealers away.

t4terrific
10-30-2012, 07:49
What a joke! The NRA, arms manufacturers and ammo manufacturers have been driving an entire industry (and NRA membership) with these bogus scare tactics every time a Democratic administration comes into office. It's called fear-mongering, people, and the last time any new gun laws were passed, the movement was driven by a, gasp, Republican after the assassination attempt on President Reagan.

Doesn't anyone have a sense of history and FACTS anymore? Is it all about fear and manipulated FEELINGS? I think we're in greater danger of a general population, including gun owners, that has become brain dead and the puppets of media manipulations.

Welcome to the brave new world.

Bill Clinton's Assault Weapons Ban was historic, but you ignore it, the way it was enacted, the rights it stripped from law abiding citizens, and the electoral effort it took to make it go away.

The rest of us aren't so blind or forgetful.

t4terrific
10-30-2012, 07:55
A mole? That's paranoid "the enemy within" thinking. As for UK and Australia, you're not paying attention. As I mentioned before there are lots of Democrat and liberal gun owners. The US has a long gun culture. The Obama admin is not interested in taking that on. It's foolish to fall for all this hype. Just come back to the thread 4 years from now and tell me how bad it was.
Go ahead and buy up all the ammo and guns you can. It will be for naught and maybe the rest of us can get better deals on used equipment.

Certainly a mole. Funny how you quote the Democratic platform, calling guns a tradition, and not a right protected under The Constitution.

Get a real job son! Contribute to our nation in a meaningful way by being productive and paying your way. Then perhaps the rest of us won't have to pay as much to prop you up.

t4terrific
10-30-2012, 07:57
I would love to dig up the 4 year old threads where I said that what would (not) happen did (not) happen, but it seems the GT Search feature is extraordinarily limited

You don't like using it anyway. You like others to do the work for you.

bilkay
10-30-2012, 09:26
Get a real job son! Contribute to our nation in a meaningful way by being productive and paying your way. Then perhaps the rest of us won't have to pay as much to prop you up.

Well, that was a helpful, well reasoned response. :upeyes:

snowbird.40
10-30-2012, 09:54
Well, this has certainly wandered quite a bit from the OP, but it is enlightening and the discourse has been generally civil, which is quite refreshing compared to the vitriol we are exposed to in the media, specifically television.

My basic point is that it might be deceptive to assume an infringement of our basic Constitutional rights based upon party affiliation. I agree that gun ownership for sporting purposes and self defense is something that is being exercised as a Second Amendment right by both those who lean to the left and those those who lean to the right. (Notice how I didn't refer to 'liberal' or 'conservative' because those two words have become meaningless flashpoints that skew the conversation into unreasonable exchanges. Interestingly, the word 'conservative' was first coined to describe what President Teddy Roosevelt was doing by setting aside federal lands as national parks and monuments for every Americas to enjoy, thus 'conserving' the land for ALL of us. The term had nothing to do with religion, fiscal affairs, sexual orientation or race.)

I've witnessed Democratic administrations follow a very 'war-like' path toward foreign policy many times in my brief time on this planet, just as some Republican administrations have. I've also seen Republican presidents aggressively pursue policies under the Patriot Act that have the potential to invade my right to privacy ... and then a Democratic president took office and continued to follow the same path. Which one is right? Which one is wrong? If for some reason I got a phone call or an email from a person named Yussaf and he was on a watch list, I could be targeted for further investigation by the NSA or FBI.

My point is this: senior administration officials, including our president, have much bigger fish to fry than those of us who choose to purchase firearms and ammunition for the purpose of self defense ... or use those weapons for the legal pursuit of wild game. I believe both parties realize that we've got MUCH bigger issues of international importance than whether or not an American exercises his/her Second Amendment rights in any regard. I believe alQaida and other terrorist groups take some precedence and our elected officials are smart enough to know that bonafide terrorists can acquire all the weapons and ammunition they want through any number of channels.

I also don't think President Obama wants to see the public debate bogged down in a war of words over guns and ammunition when there are serious financial concerns of global scope looming over this fragile economic recovery.

If any of us want to purchase enough guns and ammunition to arm our family and neighbors to hold off some hordes of lawless miscreants, then we have the right and means to do so, our only limitation being how much of our cash we want to invest at the expense of other pursuits (like happiness, which I'm a big fan of :-))

Take care; vote your conscience and sleep well because nothing is going to change THAT dramatically, no matter who is elected president or which party is the majority in either house.

brickboy240
10-30-2012, 10:14
Obama IS to blame for the high gas prices...but not for the reasons you think.

Gas prices are high because of his monetary policies...not his energy policies. Since Obama allows Bernanke to keep the printing presses running...this devalues our currency. This means it takes MORE dollars to buy a barrel of crude oil than it did 4 years ago.

Also, many blame the speculators for ramping up the cost of crude oil. They would be partially correct. However we need to examine WHY the speculators are so nervous. They are acting as they are because they see an administration that does not like the domestic oil industry and wants to restrict US oil activity.

So...not for reasons you would think....Obama IS partially at fault for the high gas prices as well as the high food prices.

If you do not think so...you are delusional and need an economics lesson.

-brickboy240

longrangedog
10-30-2012, 10:23
Mr. GPBob, what you've written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

It's God- not god. Speaks volumes.

brickboy240
10-30-2012, 10:31
When you hear Obama talk about how he supports hunters...do you think he interprets the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment as protecting the rights of hunters?

I don't see where in that amendment it says a damn thing about the rights of people to hunt ducks and deer.

...just something I noticed.

I would also love to know how this "Constitutional Professor" considers his "Affordable Health Care Act" as something that is mandated in the Constitution.

-brickboy240

Fire_Medic
10-30-2012, 11:09
When you hear Obama talk about how he supports hunters...do you think he interprets the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment as protecting the rights of hunters?

I don't see where in that amendment it says a damn thing about the rights of people to hunt ducks and deer.

...just something I noticed.

I would also love to know how this "Constitutional Professor" considers his "Affordable Health Care Act" as something that is mandated in the Constitution.

-brickboy240

Affordable, hardly.

If his Obamacare plan is enacted, and I choose to stay with the health care provided by my employer, then I have to PAY a PENALTY, for NOT taking their healthcare, how is that affordable? That's socialism at it's finest. So for choosing to have the better health services provided through my employer, I have to pay for all the freeloaders who are not productive members to society.

Once again the middle class gets screwed! :whistling:

I don't know about where the rest of you guys live, but around here the gov't run hospitals have the worst service, and they do not have the kind of "clientele" I want my kids around when we have to go see the doctor. Not mention they're always packed with the Obama supporters pretending to be sick to get a free meal and a shower, and more narcotics they don't need but are hooked on because some doctor writes a script to bill the ins company and to just get rid of the patient.

Warp
10-30-2012, 11:13
You don't like using it anyway. You like others to do the work for you.

I like to have discussions about guns, on gun forums, where people talk about what they know.

Beanie-Bean
10-30-2012, 11:20
Seriously...

I guess it's time to make a run on that .45GAP ammo I've been eyeballing for a few weeks now. Thanks for the heads-up :supergrin:

brickboy240
10-30-2012, 11:33
Judging by some of the very naive posts in this thread...there are many here that have not researched Obamacare, do not own a business and have not taken even a community college Economics 101 course.

Otherwise...they would NOT be making statements like "everything will be ok."

Thats ok...we have a whole nation of people that think this way. That is how we get leaders like Obama and 16 trillion dollars of debt.

Hasn't anybody else noticed OTHER issues than the frantic gun buying? How about the price of precious metals? The upsurge in sales of long term food storage and other emergency items?

People are not just panic buying guns you know.

There are solid reasons for their concerns but many here just laugh and blow them off as kooks or tin foil hatters.

...whatever

-brickboy240

clarkz71
10-30-2012, 12:01
Freakin vote next week or we are all hosed when the anointed one knows he has four years to run wild!!!!!!!

If you don't vote, don't cry if we get 4 more years of crap.

Bill Clinton's Assault Weapons Ban was historic, but you ignore it, the way it was enacted, the rights it stripped from law abiding citizens, and the electoral effort it took to make it go away.

The rest of us aren't so blind or forgetful.

Correct, it may have started because of Reagan's shooting
but Sarah Brady & the Clinton administation finished it
with the BS AWB.

phil evans
10-30-2012, 12:42
obama's constitutional rights are subject to his whim, i.e., executive orders which undermines little by little our rights as citizens.

why eric holder -ag, does not enforce voter intimidation, well who cares enough to file a lawsuit, the gutless republican majority is too busy entitling themselves.

OUR constitutional rights of the citizens of the usa need to be voiced;
their righteous disgust of washington d.c. needs to be sounded.

brickboy240
10-30-2012, 13:35
If Obama gets a second term and appoints 1-2 more Supreme Court justices that are as looney leftist as the two he already appointed...how do you think cases like Dc vs. Heller will go from that time forward?

...something to ponder.

-brickboy240

Warp
10-30-2012, 13:38
If Obama gets a second term and appoints 1-2 more Supreme Court justices that are as looney leftist as the two he already appointed...how do you think cases like Dc vs. Heller will go from that time forward?

...something to ponder.

-brickboy240

Do you think the other choice, who has actually seen an AWB through in his political past, is better?

Perhaps the guy who has actually passed an AWB before isn't the best choice?

tuica
10-30-2012, 13:40
Not to the high degree present in 2008. Cheers.

brickboy240
10-30-2012, 13:48
Even though Mitt did see an AWB in MA...I really really doubt he would even chance an assault weapons ban.

Why? Well, first....this would guarantee him ZERO re-election chances at all. Second, the Republicans in the House and Senate would give him a huge amount of blowback...it would be monumental.

Back in MA, he had tons of leftist Dems that were obviously cheering him on....that situation will NOT be present for Mitt in Congress.

Besides, like Obama, there is so much economic mess and so much foreign policy mess right now, he will not have time to even look at an assault weapons ban.

The idea that Mitt will do this is absolutely crazy and not based on fact. What flies in MA does NOT fly in most of America...especially down here in the red states.

I am also not sure Obama would race in and give us a ban, either. HOWEVER...his Supreme Court choices would ensure that just about any case that goes before them in the future...a gun ownership case, for example...would have no chance of ending up with a conservative solution.

-brickboy240

cowboy1964
10-30-2012, 15:05
The Supreme Court nomination issue is probably the #1 reason to pick sides. In the end no one matter who wins the feds are going to keep spending spending spending and nothing is really going to change.

SJ 40
10-30-2012, 15:43
The Supreme Court nomination issue is probably the #1 reason to pick sides. In the end no one matter who wins the feds are going to keep spending spending spending and nothing is really going to change.:agree: absolutely,the number one reason for a Change. Think I'm wrong look at the two appointees he has already made. SJ 40

ctious
10-30-2012, 15:45
The Supreme Court nomination issue is probably the #1 reason to pick sides. In the end no one matter who wins the feds are going to keep spending spending spending and nothing is really going to change.

But u have to remember as gov mitt appointed liberal judges. Obama or mitt. They both will appoint liberal people to the seats.

Warp
10-30-2012, 15:58
The idea that Mitt will do this is absolutely crazy and not based on fact. What flies in MA does NOT fly in most of America...especially down here in the red states.


Did Obamacare fly down here in the red states?

Did it happen anyway?

Gpruitt54
10-30-2012, 17:47
What a joke! The NRA, arms manufacturers and ammo manufacturers have been driving an entire industry (and NRA membership) with these bogus scare tactics every time a Democratic administration comes into office. It's called fear-mongering, people, and the last time any new gun laws were passed, the movement was driven by a, gasp, Republican after the assassination attempt on President Reagan.

Doesn't anyone have a sense of history and FACTS anymore? Is it all about fear and manipulated FEELINGS? I think we're in greater danger of a general population, including gun owners, that has become brain dead and the puppets of media manipulations.

Welcome to the brave new world.

Absolutely right on target.

PrecisionRifleman
10-30-2012, 18:10
Post like this fuel the rush on ammo by raising concern, and in turn cause a shortage. Which raises the price for the consumer. Not to say there is anything wrong with your post, but it's the talk that starts before an election event that gets people talking that raises fear for the consumer. I handload myself, and I have stocked up on components to avoid higher cost and shortages. The sad thing is that even handloading components are pretty pricey. The only way to really save a reasonable amount of money to justify the effort in loading your own is the recycling of brass. I suppose the concern is out of the bag, and the 2012 ammo rush will commence. I figured it was bound to happen. Glad I've stocked up! :D

Gpruitt54
10-30-2012, 18:11
Judging by some of the very naive posts in this thread...there are many here that have not researched Obamacare, do not own a business and have not taken even a community college Economics 101 course.

Otherwise...they would NOT be making statements like "everything will be ok."

Thats ok...we have a whole nation of people that think this way. That is how we get leaders like Obama and 16 trillion dollars of debt.

Hasn't anybody else noticed OTHER issues than the frantic gun buying? How about the price of precious metals? The upsurge in sales of long term food storage and other emergency items?

People are not just panic buying guns you know.

There are solid reasons for their concerns but many here just laugh and blow them off as kooks or tin foil hatters.

...whatever

-brickboy240


Saying it's so does not make it so. The rest of us Americans are free to disagree with you who would push your right-wing totalitarian method of governing. Or, should I say ruling. Governing means something total opposite from that is coming from the Right these days. The right simply want things their way or the highway and have been willing to trash everything in their path to get their way, like children screaming because they cannot have that one toy. We see the right proudly abolish compromise; throughit is firmly grounded into the method of governing as set in motion by the founding fathers. The right do not want to govern, they want to rule, like the two-bit dictators we have seen toppled from power over the last several years and months in the Middle East. This is where the Right has turned in this country.

The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves over the conduct of the right in this country.

Gpruitt54
10-30-2012, 18:26
Post like this fuel the rush on ammo by raising concern, and in turn cause a shortage. Which raises the price for the consumer. Not to say there is anything wrong with your post, but it's the talk that starts before an election event that gets people talking that raises fear for the consumer. I handload myself, and I have stocked up on components to avoid higher cost and shortages. The sad thing is that even handloading components are pretty pricey. The only way to really save a reasonable amount of money to justify the effort in loading your own is the recycling of brass. I suppose the concern is out of the bag, and the 2012 ammo rush will commence. I figured it was bound to happen. Glad I've stocked up! :D


That's why I reload. But, this is the same insane, trumped up fear factor that happened 4 years ago, when Obmama was elected. In 4 years now many of you have had the federal government knocking at your doors saying that the president has decreed that you must surrender your guns?

The fear is largely intended to make money for manufacturers of guns and ammo. Get it? Some of you are being played like a cheap banjo. Stop the hand wringing. Who would think that Americans are nothing more than easy to frighten children... Shameful!

DSLAM
10-30-2012, 18:29
Saying it's so does not make it so. The rest of us Americans are free to disagreewith you who would push your right-wing totalitarian method of governing. Or, should I say ruling. Governing means something total opposite fromthat is coming from the Right these days. The right simply want things their way or thehighway and have been willing to trash everything in their path to get theirway, like children screaming because they cannot have that one toy. We see the right proudly abolish compromise; throughit is firmly grounded into the method of governing as set in motion by thefounding fathers. The right do not wantto govern, they want to rule, like the two-bit dictators we have seen toppledfrom power over the last several years and months in the Middle East. This is where the Right has turned in thiscountry.

The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves overthe conduct of the right in this country.

:agree::goodpost:

Ruggles
10-30-2012, 18:47
All I know is that if Obama wins it's a great excuse (real or perceived) to buy a new gun right? I mean at least that would a (only) good point to him winning :)

Gpruitt54
10-30-2012, 19:14
All I know is that if Obama wins it's a great excuse (real or perceived) to buy a new gun right? I mean at least that would a (only) good point to him winning :)

Any ship in a storm.

judgecrater
10-30-2012, 19:18
:wow:I'm afraid you're living in a fantasy world, you've been watching too much Fox "news".
Everything will be fine. Trust me, come back to this thread in 4 years and tell me with a straight face how "dangerous to our way of life" his second term turned out.
Never too much Fox News. Fox has more viewers than all the other networks combined. Someone must be watching.

Ruggles
10-30-2012, 19:33
Never too much Fox News. Fox has more viewers than all the other networks combined. Someone must be watching.

Cause they have all the hotties, best looking women of any news channel. :)

Warp
10-30-2012, 19:34
Never too much Fox News. Fox has more viewers than all the other networks combined. Someone must be watching.

What?

Link to that?

Gpruitt54
10-30-2012, 20:55
Never too much Fox News. Fox has more viewers than all the other networks combined. Someone must be watching.

So, if everyone jumped off a cliff, you would follow them? The stuff our mothers tought us makes since. Well, at least for some of us.

Louisville Glocker
10-30-2012, 21:08
Straight up foolishness

Buy ammo (and guns if you need 'em) when it is a good price. If it isn't, then hold off (assuming adequate ammo stock).

Only real changes in gun laws since Obama (even after high publicity shootings in Tucson and Colorado) are that you can carry concealed in more states than before, including the fact that I can now carry concealed in Wisconsin (where my mom lives) whereas before I couldn't.

Stock up, sure. I've got enough guns to arm myself, my boys, and a bunch of friends and neighbors. And plenty of ammo. Will I be running out to get more? Heck no.

I hate hype......

p.s. I'm always looking to buy more ammo and more guns. It just becomes a habit. I don't care about who is president or what the pundits are saying one way or the other.

hatidua
10-30-2012, 21:15
Any ship in a storm.

ship?

reelnative
10-30-2012, 21:50
its better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it, thats all everyone ever need to know

JuneyBooney
10-30-2012, 22:18
Will there be a run on guns and ammo like we saw in 2008 if the election comes out in favor for the current administration?


If the dead people vote then Romney may lose. I do think people will be prepared to riot...we can't afford another four years of Obamanation. :whistling::faint:I do believe that people will buy guns if they can afford more weaponry if the current people stay in.

reelnative
10-30-2012, 23:02
im sure the muslim will loose, unless some hanki panki happens, and who knows about that with that circus ring leader axelrod

Wurger
10-31-2012, 00:40
A mole? That's paranoid "the enemy within" thinking. As for UK and Australia, you're not paying attention. As I mentioned before there are lots of Democrat and liberal gun owners. The US has a long gun culture. The Obama admin is not interested in taking that on. It's foolish to fall for all this hype. Just come back to the thread 4 years from now and tell me how bad it was.
Go ahead and buy up all the ammo and guns you can. It will be for naught and maybe the rest of us can get better deals on used equipment.

Not a mole?.....I think so.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQqGSwwofimiyWteEy3oXpaZEzCc_hyZ9gqnX5yCP7hJZpT-qJ86w

http://www.nraila.org/search.aspx?s=%22Barack%20Obama%22

It is not hype and you know it. From "Fast and Furious" to Obama's "under the Radar" remark. He can and will do everything he can to dissarm a free citizenry. It is the only way tyrants can stay in power.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkcQ8ZPqDepxwOETFPk8RNKAAl__9VqrnCofs9gABll1KezAhJ2w

Wurger
10-31-2012, 01:00
So, if everyone jumped off a cliff, you would follow them? The stuff our mothers tought us makes since. Well, at least for some of us.

Huh? :dunno:

If Fox is more reliable to bring people less biased news and as a result more people watch them...then that is 'jumping off a cliff' because someone else did?

My friend...you need to stay off the weed. :shocked: Momma said it would rot your brain....recent studies (and your thought process) proves she was right.

Wurger
10-31-2012, 01:05
Saying it's so does not make it so. The rest of us Americans are free to disagree with you who would push your right-wing totalitarian method of governing. Or, should I say ruling. Governing means something total opposite from that is coming from the Right these days. The right simply want things their way or the highway and have been willing to trash everything in their path to get their way, like children screaming because they cannot have that one toy. We see the right proudly abolish compromise; throughit is firmly grounded into the method of governing as set in motion by the founding fathers. The right do not want to govern, they want to rule, like the two-bit dictators we have seen toppled from power over the last several years and months in the Middle East. This is where the Right has turned in this country.

The founding fathers must be spinning in their graves over the conduct of the right in this country.

MOLE alert! Obama supporter's talking points. Twisting facts and outright lies...joined a couple of months ago to make a difference in the election.

Vote to keep our right and to keep the tyrants at bay.

Wurger
10-31-2012, 01:10
A mole? That's paranoid "the enemy within" thinking. As for UK and Australia, you're not paying attention. As I mentioned before there are lots of Democrat and liberal gun owners. The US has a long gun culture. The Obama admin is not interested in taking that on. It's foolish to fall for all this hype. Just come back to the thread 4 years from now and tell me how bad it was.
Go ahead and buy up all the ammo and guns you can. It will be for naught and maybe the rest of us can get better deals on used equipment.

Hmmmmm....Mr.DSLAM...Joined October 2012? Obama is our friend? Paranoid? Foolish to fall for hype? Gosh you must be right.

Naw....still just BS. Sniff...Sniff....I smell a rat.

Providence
10-31-2012, 04:34
Hmmmmm....Mr.DSLAM...Joined October 2012? Obama is our friend? Paranoid? Foolish to fall for hype? Gosh you must be right.

Naw....still just BS. Sniff...Sniff....I smell a rat.

All you have to do is watch what he says.

druryj
10-31-2012, 05:09
Here in Beautiful Oklahoma, there's plenty of ammo, prices are actually down some, and I think this kind of talk creates the problem to a large degree.

Gpruitt54
10-31-2012, 05:47
ship?

The phrase is a term that means, when you are in a tight spot, any help is welcomed.

Gpruitt54
10-31-2012, 06:13
MOLE alert! Obama supporter's talking points. Twisting facts and outright lies...joined a couple of months ago to make a difference in the election.

Vote to keep our right and to keep the tyrants at bay.

Gee,I kind a thought I might get a more challenging response.

Mole?What is that mean?
Mole?Is this a conspiracy theory forum?
Mole?Is that the best you can do?

Yes,I joined this forum a mew months ago. But what has that to do with anything?

Iam a handgun target shooter, ammo reloader, CCW holder, and hunter. But, I amnot a right wing robot who repeats right wing talking points.

Wemay disagree, so what? I am not a single issue voter and I am not a lowinformation voter.

I'llbet you were surprised when the Bush (Republican) administration confiscated gunsfrom home owners in and around New Orleans during Hurricane Catrina. But, of course, the right will always protectgun rights. Well, may not! Maybe right wing protection of gun rights isnothing more than a talking point.

Gpruitt54
10-31-2012, 06:21
So, if everyone jumped off a cliff, you would follow them? The stuff our mothers tought us makes since. Well, at least for some of us.

Oops, my bad. Fox News and the right did all follow eachother over a cliff. It's called Iraq.

Gee, what was I thinking!

HexHead
10-31-2012, 06:25
When Obama was elected, gun stores were crazy with people buying guns and ammo. This before one single cabinet member was selected. Where did this run on guns come from? It came from people and organizations using scare tactics that Obama wanted to take guns from Americans.



It came from his actions and words as an IL state senator. It came from what was posted on his WH website immediately after the election.

Scare tactics are a term I'd use when there is no basis behind them. That wasn't the case then, and with his comments in the 2nd debate, wouldn't be the case now either.

Over the past couple of years I've been acquiring the firearms I want (still two Glocks to go) and gotten seriously into reloading. I won't be caught wanting for ammo again.

clarkz71
10-31-2012, 06:28
I'llbet you were surprised when the Bush (Republican) administration confiscated gunsfrom home owners in and around New Orleans during Hurricane Catrina. But, of course, the right will always protectgun rights. Well, may not! Maybe right wing protection of gun rights isnothing more than a talking point.


It was the City of New Orleans that ordered the confiscation (local government), not Bush.

Everyone remembers the total devastation that the hurricane caused in New Orleans, as well as the total lawlessness that occurred afterward. In response to that, the New Orleans police superintendent, Eddie Compass, sent out an order to his local police and the National Guard to confiscate every civilian firearm. This was supposed to somehow lessen the violence and lawlessness that was occurring, and obviously ignored the fact that the innocent would-be or soon-to-be victims of this lawlessness would now have no means of self-defense.

http://www.rightofanation.com/2009/12/14/a-look-back-gun-confiscation-after-hurricane-katrina/

Bilbo Bagins
10-31-2012, 06:32
Personally I think there is a run going on as we speak but its not as big as it was in 2008. Also gun stores and big retailers that sell guns and ammo can keep up with demand better then they did in 08. Really before 2008 not a lot of people were big into ARs, then all of the sudden everyone wanted one even at double the price.

2008 was crazy, it was so weird to go in to a large gun store and see almost empty shelves, and people willing to bags of high priced loose ammo and buying 30/30 lever actions and Remington 7600 because it was as close as they can get to an "Assault Rifle"

Fear Night
10-31-2012, 10:12
I think the complacent attitude that "nothing is going to happen" is always a dangerous place to be. Even if we had a president like Ron Paul ... we should always be prepared, and always be on our toes.

Not being prepared beforehand is what causes all the stupid panic and rushes on guns and ammo.

JDennis
10-31-2012, 10:13
I have been on a run of getting a few things. But mainly .223 ammo, hi cap mags, and a few AR parts. No matter what happens in the election, run of the mill stuff such as most hand guns, 9mm, .40, .22lr, ect ammo, should not be affected or if so it would be very little. I could see the "scary" black rifle stuff, hi power ammo, and hi cap mags in both rifles and hand guns possibly being affected a lot.

Jack23
10-31-2012, 12:36
I find it kinda surprising but I'm not seeing any obvious evidence of a run or of increasing prices...yet. Actually what I expected to see cause this was more of a reaction to the prediction for 12/21/12. The preppers are everywhere and they have been and will continue to be stockin' up.

Now I don't believe the end of the world will happen then. I know it will happen someday but I don't believe anyone knows when it will be. But I do worry some about how some of the more excitable members of our society will behave as the date draws closer. Think back to how crazy everyone got for Y2K.

Guess we'll all find out together........... Meanwhile I'm all set here. ;)

DSLAM
10-31-2012, 12:52
Oops, my bad. Fox News and the right did all follow eachother over a cliff. It's called Iraq.

Gee, what was I thinking!
:rofl:Exactly.