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Zombie Surgeon
10-30-2012, 18:16
And you thought communism is dead? You couldn't have been more wrong.
American communism is alive and well, and its leader lives in the White House



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IQaqFmVqsjQ/Tab-PC7ADgI/AAAAAAAAAOs/WKN-0MYzIKg/s1600/AGENDA+EMAIL+DOC.bmpAGENDA: Grinding America Down

http://vimeo.com/user2695043


If you thought 2016 was scary, go to the link above and watch "Agenda".
The filmmaker decided to make the entire movie available on Vimeo so as many people could see it before election day 2012.
Please watch the movie and share the link to all your friends and relatives.

Zombie Surgeon
10-31-2012, 13:59
Worth a bump. People need to see this movie.

G17Jake
10-31-2012, 17:05
Thank you.

cysoto
10-31-2012, 17:08
Nearly as entertaining and informative as "Dreams of My Real Father".

G17Jake
10-31-2012, 18:27
That is a great film. I will be emailing the link.

Thanks again, Zombie.

jlavallee
10-31-2012, 19:25
Seriously? While I agree with much of the film there is a lot of bible thumping propaganda in there too. The political spectrum is only left to right? I think you're missing an axis there pal.

Freedom can only be utilized by a moral people? This is exactly why we always loose to progressives, I don't care if you want to be communist or believe in a work of fiction called the Bible. We're screwed as a people because both sides try to keep us on this one axis platform of lesser evils. The bible thumpers are just as damn disgusting as the Democrats.

Anyone who tells me they have a right to my property for the social good or how I can live my life because it offends their "moral" code can go eff themselves. Lead by example and if someone likes what you're selling then fine. I do no harm to anyone but will strike back against anyone who attempts to force me to live a certian way. Leave me alone.

G17Jake
10-31-2012, 19:50
Seriously? While I agree with much of the film there is a lot of bible thumping propaganda in there too. The political spectrum is only left to right? I think you're missing an axis there pal.

Freedom can only be utilized by a moral people? This is exactly why we always loose to progressives, I don't care if you want to be communist or believe in a work of fiction called the Bible. We're screwed as a people because both sides try to keep us on this one axis platform of lesser evils. The bible thumpers are just as damn disgusting as the Democrats.

Anyone who tells me they have a right to my property for the social good or how I can live my life because it offends their "moral" code can go eff themselves. Lead by example and if someone likes what you're selling then fine. I do no harm to anyone but will strike back against anyone who attempts to force me to live a certian way. Leave me alone.

I won't tell you how to run your life. Don't tell me I have to welcome your lifestyle.

jlavallee
10-31-2012, 20:23
I won't tell you how to run your life. Don't tell me I have to welcome your lifestyle.

You're welcome to dispise any group or lifestyle you want. As long as you don't infringe on someone else, have at it.

I won't be a slave to government or some work of fiction.

G17Jake
10-31-2012, 20:36
You're welcome to dispise any group or lifestyle you want. As long as you don't infringe on someone else, have at it.

I won't be a slave to government or some work of fiction.

We already are slaves to the government.

jlavallee
10-31-2012, 20:44
We already are slaves to the government.

So I should accept it then? Only when you accept it are you truly enslaved.

G17Jake
10-31-2012, 21:02
So I should accept it then? Only when you accept it are you truly enslaved.

No, don't accept it.

For what it's worth, I think the federal government is our biggest threat to freedom we face.

girlglock26
10-31-2012, 21:09
wish more people would watch this move! I'm glad I did. thank you for putting this out there

nursetim
10-31-2012, 21:35
I wonder if the grand plan was for the soviet union to sacrifice itself so that the communists could say, "look, we're not communists, their a bunch of losers. Look what happened to the ussr. We're better, we're progressives. We want to promote progress.................to communism that is." I agree that the bible bending was a bit too much. That we may swing to radically the other way, which would not be good.

I think to combat communism, we have to look what spawned it to begin with. Then try to figure out a plan to counter those forces in play at that time and apply the strategies to modern times.

As to horizontal and vertical axis. What would the vertical axis be? jlavallee, I have no clue as to what vertical axis you envision. But in politics, there is left and right, simple. Why are you looking to complicate things? Are you one of the intellectual elite, ninja, philosophers?

You balk at being forced to believe in God. Fair enough, don't believe in God. But if you think atheism is the everybody should go, go to Cuba. I hear their healthcare is better than ours and they have kickin cigars and rum. They don't believe in God either I understand.

What civilization has survived the open acceptance of homosexuality? All civilizations have a finite life span that none can predict, except maybe the Mayans, I'll let you know in 90 days.

I don't have the answers. But I do know that my grandparents had it better than we do now. Maybe we need to stop coddling people. Let Darwin sort out things for awhile. Maybe when grandma codes at 90, we should just say goodbye, and not work the code. Maybe the Native Americans knew better than, us "civilized" people when they valued the elders until they did not contribute or their bodies broke down. Maybe folks with Down's syndrome shouldn't reproduce. But if that was the case, wouldn't God make them infertile?


Sorry, just the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic I suppose.

Thanks for posting the link to the video.

jlavallee
11-01-2012, 00:32
I don't believe in God but then I don't believe in the Easter Bunny either. If you choose to believe in them that is your business and none of mine. I'll leave you alone and I demand the same.

If the bible thumpers want a society of like minded folks then buy private property and demand like with an HOA that residents behave a certian way. If Communists want to live their way and have socialized everything then they can do the same.

If you want to be part of a free country then mind your own damn business and live as you choose just respect others to do the same. It's not hard to understand.

Zombie Surgeon
11-01-2012, 09:59
I don't believe in God but then I don't believe in the Easter Bunny either. If you choose to believe in them that is your business and none of mine. I'll leave you alone and I demand the same.

If the bible thumpers want a society of like minded folks then buy private property and demand like with an HOA that residents behave a certian way. If Communists want to live their way and have socialized everything then they can do the same.

If you want to be part of a free country then mind your own damn business and live as you choose just respect others to do the same. It's not hard to understand.

Stop hijacking this thread. If you want a soapbox for your atheist propaganda go to the Religion issues forum.

Thank you

jlavallee
11-01-2012, 10:03
Stop hijacking this thread. If you want a soapbox for your atheist propaganda go to the Religion issues forum.

Thank you

No, the entire premise of this movie was that having the government seen as some great ruler is bad but the church is OK to tell you how to live your life. Either is fine as long as you don't force your beliefs on someone else.

Zombie Surgeon
11-01-2012, 10:05
No, the entire premise of this movie was that having the government seen as some great ruler is bad but the church is OK to tell you how to live your life. Either is fine as long as you don't force your beliefs on someone else.

You made your point. Now go away.

nursetim
11-01-2012, 10:14
jlavallee, you have to admit, the movie, bible bending aside, made quite a convincing point about communism. And if I am not mistaken the OP grew up in that or a socialist country, one.

It is making me rethink my stand on a few issues, like abortion, and gay marriage.

Chesafreak
11-01-2012, 10:28
You made your point. Now go away.

So if someone doesn't agree with you they should "go away"? Jlavallee's comment is appropriate to the video referenced in this thread. You are acting like an ignorant bully.

Chesafreak
11-01-2012, 10:31
Interesting video. Thanks for the link. I only watched the extended trailer but bookmarked the page to view the whole movie later.

Skyhook
11-01-2012, 10:44
I really liked the video and passed it along to several of my contacts.

Anyone who thinks America is 'just another country' is an idiot.
Anyone who thinks America was founded without morality as a key element is a bigger idiot.
Anyone who thinks America can survive without morals is the biggest of all idiots.

MHO.

Chesafreak
11-01-2012, 11:02
I really liked the video and passed it along to several of my contacts.

Anyone who thinks America is 'just another country' is an idiot.
Anyone who thinks America was founded without morality as a key element is a bigger idiot.
Anyone who thinks America can survive without morals is the biggest of all idiots.

MHO.

True.

The only problem is who decides whats moral?

When you say "moral", are you referring to common sense morals like the ten commandments, a complete belief in the bible, or some other system of moral beliefs?

The reason why I ask is inline with the topic of this thread and the video that talks about communism as well as religion. Communism would take away our freedom by underhanded legal means used to whittle away at our freedom and make us dependent on government. Religion would take away or freedom by demanding that non believers adhere to our beliefs, like how some muslims would try to force sharia law on us, or christians telling us its immoral to buy alcohol on a Sunday or view pornography.

Remember, our country was founded by those who were seeking freedom, including freedom of religion. To me, freedom of religion not only means that I can practice religion as I see fit, it also means that I am free from you or anyone else pushing your religious beliefs on me.

jlavallee
11-01-2012, 12:43
jlavallee, you have to admit, the movie, bible bending aside, made quite a convincing point about communism. And if I am not mistaken the OP grew up in that or a socialist country, one.

It is making me rethink my stand on a few issues, like abortion, and gay marriage.

I totally agree with much of what the movie says about the communist agenda. I also agree that morals are necessary in regard to how we interact with each other. Where I disagree is the notion that one set of beliefs trumps another and the notion that far right is anarchy.

Abortion is one of those issues that the religious wing actually has merit in arguing. I think very few who advocate liberty would argue with protecting human rights, the point of when we're actually a person is where the debate on that front lies.

As far as communists making the population more dependant on the government and less dependant on family, sure but I refuse to buy into the whole biblical BS about homosexuals being evil because they live their lives different from others. It is not a choice and yeah, they're technically wired wrong because they're unable to re-populate but like anything else, it is the way they are and as long as they keep it between consenting adults, it is none of anyone else's business. Gay people don't happen as a result of gays making people gay, they're born that way and have been through history even in times when that got people killed. I have a hard time understanding how gay people are destroying families... All I see is hate and fear of people who are different. Besides, if folks are so down with God then what happened to us all being his children or do unto others?

So yes, while I agree with many pieces of the movie, what I don't see is tolerance in it. I don't and nobody can expect you to agree with anyone else's lifestyle or beliefs but the notion that religion is the saving grace is nothing more than the belief in another system (it just happens to be different to communism) that can be forced on everyone.

When people make fun of bible thumpers, we're not laughing at those who have strong beliefs or at their beliefs because those folks aren't who we're talking about, what we're talking about is the people who have a belief and thump on their bible at those who don't live their beliefs.

History is full of people with different beliefs trying to force their values on someone else. I am just as opposed to someone telling me to believe in an imaginary God and I have to live by his rules (even if most are good ones that I do anyway) as I am to someone telling me that some imaginary government loves me and will take care of me if I submit to it.

If you want to be a super religious person or a socialist then I don't have to agree with that but unless you infringe on me, I have no reason to defend myself. If the religious right would stop trying to force everyone to believe in their book, there would be a lot less erosion of freedom to live as they choose.

nursetim
11-01-2012, 13:55
Interesting, I think we are more alike than dis-alike on many issues.

One issue that perplexes me is the prolife issue and death penalty. I've been pro death penalty all my adult life. So I'm conflicted, I'm more prolife when it comes to abortion, but I don't seem to have a problem with destroying what God has made. Maybe it's the behavior that got them there to begin with. Maybe that justifies it in my mind. Naw, still made in Gods image, so it would be like killing God, right? Same with self defense, if I have to kill some one, according to the Christian dogma, I'm in essence killing God, as we are made in his image. At the very least, destroying his work.

Conflicted I am.

SMSTRICK
11-01-2012, 13:58
I have it and have loaned it out MANY time to MANY people. 2016 is milk for the masses,...but The Agenda is Meat and potatoes for the already informed.

SunGunner
11-01-2012, 14:56
I really wish the video wasn't so religious, fantastic info about the left, and then with the bible thumping it loses some of it's power.

Like what was said previously in the thread, I believe in morals but do not believe that they are tied directly to specific religions or dogma. I believe a moral person whether atheist, jew, christian, muslim, buddhist, or any other religion will share the same or very similar moral values.

I wish the video focused more on founding principals instead of "religion".

dukeblue91
11-01-2012, 15:27
Great video I will send the link yo some people.
It made some sense to me and answered some questions too.
Thanks

dukeblue91
11-01-2012, 15:29
I totally agree with much of what the movie says about the communist agenda. I also agree that morals are necessary in regard to how we interact with each other. Where I disagree is the notion that one set of beliefs trumps another and the notion that far right is anarchy.

Abortion is one of those issues that the religious wing actually has merit in arguing. I think very few who advocate liberty would argue with protecting human rights, the point of when we're actually a person is where the debate on that front lies.

As far as communists making the population more dependant on the government and less dependant on family, sure but I refuse to buy into the whole biblical BS about homosexuals being evil because they live their lives different from others. It is not a choice and yeah, they're technically wired wrong because they're unable to re-populate but like anything else, it is the way they are and as long as they keep it between consenting adults, it is none of anyone else's business. Gay people don't happen as a result of gays making people gay, they're born that way and have been through history even in times when that got people killed. I have a hard time understanding how gay people are destroying families... All I see is hate and fear of people who are different. Besides, if folks are so down with God then what happened to us all being his children or do unto others?

So yes, while I agree with many pieces of the movie, what I don't see is tolerance in it. I don't and nobody can expect you to agree with anyone else's lifestyle or beliefs but the notion that religion is the saving grace is nothing more than the belief in another system (it just happens to be different to communism) that can be forced on everyone.

When people make fun of bible thumpers, we're not laughing at those who have strong beliefs or at their beliefs because those folks aren't who we're talking about, what we're talking about is the people who have a belief and thump on their bible at those who don't live their beliefs.

History is full of people with different beliefs trying to force their values on someone else. I am just as opposed to someone telling me to believe in an imaginary God and I have to live by his rules (even if most are good ones that I do anyway) as I am to someone telling me that some imaginary government loves me and will take care of me if I submit to it.

If you want to be a super religious person or a socialist then I don't have to agree with that but unless you infringe on me, I have no reason to defend myself. If the religious right would stop trying to force everyone to believe in their book, there would be a lot less erosion of freedom to live as they choose.

And yet you are doing the exact thing you want others to stop doing.

jlavallee
11-01-2012, 15:33
And yet you are doing the exact thing you want others to stop doing.

Where do you get that? I don't happen to agree with your faith but it is none of my business as long as you don't force it on others. I treat homosexuals, communists and everyone the same way. Leave me alone and we have zero problems.

jlavallee
11-01-2012, 15:40
Interesting, I think we are more alike than dis-alike on many issues.

One issue that perplexes me is the prolife issue and death penalty. I've been pro death penalty all my adult life. So I'm conflicted, I'm more prolife when it comes to abortion, but I don't seem to have a problem with destroying what God has made. Maybe it's the behavior that got them there to begin with. Maybe that justifies it in my mind. Naw, still made in Gods image, so it would be like killing God, right? Same with self defense, if I have to kill some one, according to the Christian dogma, I'm in essence killing God, as we are made in his image. At the very least, destroying his work.

Conflicted I am.

I don't think of it from a religious view but rather a human rights issue. In general, I oppose the death penalty because of how many times the system has been wrong. That said, I don't have a problem with someone getting what is coming to them either so if say a man was on trial for killing someone he caught molesting his child or something, I couldn't find him guilty of anything.

dukeblue91
11-01-2012, 16:04
Where do you get that? I don't happen to agree with your faith but it is none of my business as long as you don't force it on others. I treat homosexuals, communists and everyone the same way. Leave me alone and we have zero problems.

Sorry but the second you claimed that you did not like that this was pushed by too much religion or based on it and stated your thoughts of how you want to live you did the exact same thing.
Just some food for thought believing in God does not equal of being a religious person or believing in religion.

Anytime you give your opinion no matter what that is you lost the highroad of saying that someone is pushing their opinion on you as effectively you have done the same.

Please don't misunderstand me as I'm not judging you or your believes or even the lack thereof just pointing out that you are doing the same as soon as you make your opinion or dislike for someone else's known.

jlavallee
11-01-2012, 18:55
Anytime you give your opinion no matter what that is you lost the highroad of saying that someone is pushing their opinion on you as effectively you have done the same.


No, you're completely missing the point. We will all never agree on opinions and if we can't state them then what would be the point in freedom of speach? What I am saying is that even though I don't agree with the opinon presented and here is why, they're entitled to it as long as it isn't forced on others.

The film states that the homosexual "agenda" has been forced on the american population. How? A person living their life in a way that makes sense to them is not forcing their agenda on anyone. A group of people deciding that a practice between consenting adults is evil and attempting to prevent the freedom of someone else is very different.

I'm not going for highroad and saying my opinion is right. It is right to me just as someone wanting to believe gays are evil or socialisim makes sense is right for them. The moment any of us push our personal beliefs onto someone else when they've not infringed on us, that is when we create problems.

Someone else living a different lifestyle than you believe proper is not an infringement on you. Finding the lifestyle of someone else repuslive is not an infringement. Government has no business in any basic rights beyond protecting them nor should they ecnomically prefer one over another.

Zombie Surgeon
11-01-2012, 20:12
Just another intolerant atheist playing victim and pushing his Marxist inspired religion on others.

girlglock26
11-01-2012, 20:49
I new as soon as people started saying " be careful you might offend some one" that this country was in trouble. This country was founded on the red white blue and the bible, people flock to come live here because they get to live how they want to for the most part, then they want every thing to be changed to they way their old way of living hello you left because you did not like the way things were so stop changing our way of living!


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Skyhook
11-02-2012, 06:03
True.

The only problem is who decides whats moral?

When you say "moral", are you referring to common sense morals like the ten commandments, a complete belief in the bible, or some other system of moral beliefs?

The reason why I ask is inline with the topic of this thread and the video that talks about communism as well as religion. Communism would take away our freedom by underhanded legal means used to whittle away at our freedom and make us dependent on government. Religion would take away or freedom by demanding that non believers adhere to our beliefs, like how some muslims would try to force sharia law on us, or christians telling us its immoral to buy alcohol on a Sunday or view pornography.

Remember, our country was founded by those who were seeking freedom, including freedom of religion. To me, freedom of religion not only means that I can practice religion as I see fit, it also means that I am free from you or anyone else pushing your religious beliefs on me.

"The only problem is who decides whats moral?"

Good question. I certainly think having the muslim brotherhood set up 'morality guidelines' just wouldn't do, however, I should think anyone with a basic understanding of right and wrong would have little trouble understanding Judeo/Christian morals.

We do have a very confused segment of the population today in this country who are convinced that all customs, all laws, all beliefs, all practices, are exactly the same as all others. That is the shining accomplishment of a public school system buttressed by a 'higher' educational system hell-bent upon the destruction of all things this great country has held dear for centuries. I guess this putsch to nihilism is succeeding.

dukeblue91
11-02-2012, 09:13
The film states that the homosexual "agenda" has been forced on the american population. How? A person living their life in a way that makes sense to them is not forcing their agenda on anyone. A group of people deciding that a practice between consenting adults is evil and attempting to prevent the freedom of someone else is very different.


You really think that statement was wrong?
Where you asleep in the late 90's and most of 2000's?
It was in our face 24/7 in every outlet you can imagine and to this day is drilled into our kids at school, I know as my 12yo son comes home and tells me his newfound believes.

And if you have any hesitation or believe against that lifestyle you are automatically labeled a Homophobe or intolerant to others believes and way of life.

On the other hand when you do discuss this with Gay's they can't make up their mind wether it is a lifestyle choice or that they where born this way and will always depend on how you argue your points with them.

But here is the thing the way I see it.
If you go from the way nature is in all of living form having sexual intercourse is for procreation and pleasure secondary.
So if a gay person was born this way then they are defective and up normal since it goes against nature.
If it is a Choice then they are mere deviants for pleasure no more or less so then child molesters for the same reasons.
It was human nature that went more for the pleasure aspect of sex then the need for procreation.
Don't get me wrong I love having sex too as often as possible.
However being intimate with the same sex is still unnatural no matter what excuse you use to reason it.

This whole gay rights movement has blossomed from why can't you be tolerant towards others to you are a homophobe and intolerant pig for not letting them be and get married and multiply. "oh wait they can't "

20 years ago no one could have envisioned such a turn in gay rights and before you know it child molesters will want the same rights afforded to them too since it is no different then gays and we just don't understand their desires and love for children and it is not their fault since they were born this way or should have the freedom of choosing their lifestyle like everyone else.

That people just don't understand this is beyond me comprehension.
However you slice it and make it sound and look it is still against natures intend.
And falls into the same liberal mantra " if it feels good you should do it "
Also lets not forget the whole HIV / AIDS pandemic is stemming from the same feel good behavior and believe.

Skyhook
11-02-2012, 09:40
You really think that statement was wrong?
Where you asleep in the late 90's and most of 2000's?
It was in our face 24/7 in every outlet you can imagine and to this day is drilled into our kids at school, I know as my 12yo son comes home and tells me his newfound believes.

And if you have any hesitation or believe against that lifestyle you are automatically labeled a Homophobe or intolerant to others believes and way of life.

On the other hand when you do discuss this with Gay's they can't make up their mind wether it is a lifestyle choice or that they where born this way and will always depend on how you argue your points with them.

But here is the thing the way I see it.
If you go from the way nature is in all of living form having sexual intercourse is for procreation and pleasure secondary.
So if a gay person was born this way then they are defective and up normal since it goes against nature.
If it is a Choice then they are mere deviants for pleasure no more or less so then child molesters for the same reasons.
It was human nature that went more for the pleasure aspect of sex then the need for procreation.
Don't get me wrong I love having sex too as often as possible.
However being intimate with the same sex is still unnatural no matter what excuse you use to reason it.

This whole gay rights movement has blossomed from why can't you be tolerant towards others to you are a homophobe and intolerant pig for not letting them be and get married and multiply. "oh wait they can't "

20 years ago no one could have envisioned such a turn in gay rights and before you know it child molesters will want the same rights afforded to them too since it is no different then gays and we just don't understand their desires and love for children and it is not their fault since they were born this way or should have the freedom of choosing their lifestyle like everyone else.

That people just don't understand this is beyond me comprehension.
However you slice it and make it sound and look it is still against natures intend.
And falls into the same liberal mantra " if it feels good you should do it "
Also lets not forget the whole HIV / AIDS pandemic is stemming from the same feel good behavior and believe.

Very nicely put, and I agree with everything but the bit about "It was human nature that went more for the pleasure aspect of sex then the need for procreation."
National Geographic had a wonderful piece about a species of monkey which behaved just like our homosexuals and teenagers away from home. . . they were 'doing' anything and everything' without any thoughts straying above their groins.
Cute in monkeys.. but...

dukeblue91
11-02-2012, 09:52
Very nicely put, and I agree with everything but the bit about "It was human nature that went more for the pleasure aspect of sex then the need for procreation."
National Geographic had a wonderful piece about a species of monkey which behaved just like our homosexuals and teenagers away from home. . . they were 'doing' anything and everything' without any thoughts straying above their groins.
Cute in monkeys.. but...

Yes I remember that or something like that show.
But still not the norm in behavior I think.

jaws48
11-02-2012, 10:51
Positively enlightening documentary! Thanks for sharing.