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harlenm
10-31-2012, 17:48
6 days to go, and I'm really starting to think that it's gonna be tough for Romney to win.

I'm afraid of what's going to happen if Obama wins a 2nd term. As it is, my insurance for next year is about 65% higher next year compared to this year, plus our anticipated income for next year is down about $5000 from what it should be.

IndianaMatt
10-31-2012, 17:50
I'm anxious, maybe in an excited nervous kind of way. Amazing how contentious American politics have become. I have no idea who will win, because its so close, but either way, there will be A LOT of really pissed off people after election day.

Bren
10-31-2012, 18:03
A little nervous. I worry about many on the right being too dumb to understand the consequences of voting for some third party nut to "teach the Republicans a lesson." (that lesson being that you can get a Democrat elected every time by using the power of the media to divide the right)

Calico Jack
10-31-2012, 18:13
Nervous... nah. I do however look forward to seeing the meltdowns on November 7th and beyond (regardless of the outcome).

Restless28
10-31-2012, 18:16
Not really. The sun will still rise the following day. The kids will have to get ready for school and catch the bus, and me and the wife will go to work.

There's just some things in life that aren't worth worrying about, since you're powerless to control it.

It is what it is.

svtpwnz
10-31-2012, 18:18
Not worried at all. I believe Romney will win by a decent margin.

dango
10-31-2012, 18:19
Yes , extremely,One of these guys may actaully win...Eeeeeeeeeeeek..! :shocked:

Glock20 10mm
10-31-2012, 18:37
I'm anxious, maybe in an excited nervous kind of way. Amazing how contentious American politics have become. I have no idea who will win, because its so close, but either way, there will be A LOT of really pissed off people after election day.

It's all been determined by the corporate masters... the tension you feel, that's been created through the illusion of choice and debates.

Glock20 10mm
10-31-2012, 18:40
A little nervous. I worry about many on the right being too dumb to understand the consequences of voting for some third party nut to "teach the Republicans a lesson." (that lesson being that you can get a Democrat elected every time by using the power of the media to divide the right)

It isn't about teaching the Republicans or Democrats a lesson, it's about being sick and tired of their BS and wanting REAL change that is in line with the Constitutional values of this nation. It's about being TRUE to ones values and beliefs and not bending to the will of the masses just because we CHOOSE to be free in our thoughts, actions and choices.

You can continue to be a slave to the illusion you are in you or you can step out and see with clearer eyes that it doesn't matter which of the two evils you have been coerced into voting for wins, nothing will significantly change for the better and we will continue off the cliff of failure regardless. To believe otherwise tells me you have consumed much of the kool-aid proffered by your "choice".

Glock20 10mm
10-31-2012, 18:42
Not really. The sun will still rise the following day. The kids will have to get ready for school and catch the bus, and me and the wife will go to work.

There's just some things in life that aren't worth worrying about, since you're powerless to control it.

It is what it is.

We are not powerless, the problem is people are too blinded by bling and lazy to step up and do what's right and fearful to leave their comfort zone for a real possible change.

Sporaticus
10-31-2012, 18:50
Amazing how contentious American politics have become.

What? "Become" nothing. They've always been that way. It goes back to Jefferson vs Adams. Andrew Jackson had his mother called a prostitute, and wife was called a whore.

The Machinist
10-31-2012, 18:50
What's there to be nervous about? The status quo will continue. Neither candidate will fight for cuts or the complete abolition of the Ponzi scheme entitlement programs that have bankrupted us, and the debt will grow until the day we can no longer kick the can down the road. Trying to choose between Obama or Romney is like trying to pick up the clean end of a turd.

G29Reload
10-31-2012, 18:53
6 days to go, and I'm really starting to think that it's gonna be tough for Romney to win.

I'm afraid of what's going to happen if Obama wins a 2nd term. As it is, my insurance for next year is about 65% higher next year compared to this year, plus our anticipated income for next year is down about $5000 from what it should be.

Turn CT RED!

Vote. Talk to your neighbors. I know its an uphill battle in CT. But miracles do happen. Accepting the status quo is defeat. ONe of the reason blue states like yours stay blue. Don't be discouraged. Vote and put some english on it!

G29Reload
10-31-2012, 18:54
there will be A LOT of really pissed off people after election day.

I hope you're one of them.

Sporaticus
10-31-2012, 18:59
It's not as bad this time as 2008 because nobody is predicting the house will go back to a democrap majority.

oldgraywolf
10-31-2012, 19:00
What's there to be nervous about? The status quo will continue. Neither candidate will fight for cuts or the complete abolition of the Ponzi scheme entitlement programs that have bankrupted us, and the debt will grow until the day we can no longer kick the can down the road. Trying to choose between Obama or Romney is like trying to pick up the clean end of a turd.

I wouldn't argue with any of that post.

TK-421
10-31-2012, 19:10
I'm nervous in the fact that if it's true, that non-citizens are being ferried by the bus load to the elections, and actually voting for obama, then Romney might have issues winning. But, if it's not true, then he shouldn't have any issues winning, hopefully. But, you never really know what the outcome will be until it's over.

kenpoprofessor
10-31-2012, 19:15
A little nervous. I worry about many on the right being too dumb to understand the consequences of voting for some third party nut to "teach the Republicans a lesson." (that lesson being that you can get a Democrat elected every time by using the power of the media to divide the right)

Show me as one of the "third party nuts" you're referencing in your post. I can only hope the Senate and House go Pub, and Obama gets elected as Prez. Nothing gets done, and I'm good with them (the Congress) doing absolutely nothing. In fact, I'd prefer they all just go on a permanent vacation until their terms are up.

I'd rather Obammy get elected now, it'll set the tone for the downfall and we can hit the reset button sooner than if Romney were elected.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

canis latrans
10-31-2012, 19:30
I'd rather Obammy get elected now, it'll set the tone for the downfall and we can hit the reset button sooner than if Romney were elected.

Clyde

lifetime Supreme Court appointees :shocked:

Harper
10-31-2012, 19:30
No, I already know the results; a Goldman Sachs liberal is going to get elected.

ColdSteelNail
10-31-2012, 19:33
Not at all. All of my guys are gonna win.

frank4570
10-31-2012, 19:41
What's there to be nervous about? The status quo will continue. Neither candidate will fight for cuts or the complete abolition of the Ponzi scheme entitlement programs that have bankrupted us, and the debt will grow until the day we can no longer kick the can down the road. Trying to choose between Obama or Romney is like trying to pick up the clean end of a turd.

Yep. Pretty much.

NAS T MAG
10-31-2012, 19:48
Not really. The sun will still rise the following day. The kids will have to get ready for school and catch the bus, and me and the wife will go to work.

There's just some things in life that aren't worth worrying about, since you're powerless to control it.

It is what it is.

One of the best replies I've seen in awhile. The only part I would take exception to is that your wife should be able to stay home. God, I miss the good old days.

SevenSixtyTwo
10-31-2012, 19:50
Nervous as hell that one of these two liars is going to win.

Anon1
10-31-2012, 19:52
I'm only nervous about what the Obama Admin. will pull-off in the time between losing the election and actually leaving office.

Little Joe
10-31-2012, 19:52
I think the stakes are very high, but I'm not nervous about it. I'm more excited to see how it turns out.

SevenSixtyTwo
10-31-2012, 19:55
One of the best replies I've seen in awhile. The only part I would take exception to is that your wife should be able to stay home. God, I miss the good old days.

Lots of people still do it the old fashioned way. We both work to support our addiction to material things.

PAGunner
10-31-2012, 19:56
I'm only nervous about what the Obama Admin. will pull-off in the time between losing the election and actually leaving office.

Listening to Dick Morris, yes it is a little troubling, however I'm pretty sure anything he attempts can and will be undone. Idk if Obama will pull the trigger on signing bogus treaties and executive orders, I think after he loses, he may want to run for president again down the road. Yes I believe his ego is that big.

Kevin108
10-31-2012, 20:10
A little nervous. I worry about many on the right being too dumb to understand the consequences of voting for some third party nut to "teach the Republicans a lesson."

You should instead be worried about the Republican establishment being too dumb to realize that almost every Libertarian or Constitutional vote could be theirs if they'd only act like real conservatives.

That said, I'm certain Romney will win.

certifiedfunds
10-31-2012, 20:17
Polls don't account for democrat voter fraud.

Kevin108
10-31-2012, 20:26
Polls don't account for democrat voter fraud.

Or for all the Conservatives who don't answer the phone for numbers they don't recognize.

Chuck TX
10-31-2012, 20:27
Polls don't account for democrat voter fraud.

It's hard to call dead people on the phone. Unless you have one of those Edison machines.

Little Joe
10-31-2012, 20:30
Polls don't account for democrat voter fraud.

Judgement Day does, but of course that isn't any help to us at the moment of the situation.

mac66
10-31-2012, 21:08
Don't worry, be happy.:supergrin:

Romney is going to win. I just got a call from the masters of the universe and they said it is his turn.

BEANCOUNTER
10-31-2012, 21:25
...I'm certain Romney will win.

I'm pretty sure he won't, but my wife and I went and voted (early) for him and Ryan this morning anyhow.

Where I live in Florida, Romney/Ryan signs are everywhere. I think I saw one Obama sign in the neighborhood, but now I can't find it. Yet, Florida is still a toss-up state.

50 Cent
10-31-2012, 22:20
I'm pretty sure he won't, but my wife and I went and voted (early) for him and Ryan this morning anyhow.

Where I live in Florida, Romney/Ryan signs are everywhere. I think I saw one Obama sign in the neighborhood, but now I can't find it. Yet, Florida is still a toss-up state.

That of course is all according to the NYT polls trumpeted by the lamestream media with D+8 sample??? :rofl:

I'd say some Dems are in for a shock Nov 7 and not in a good way. :supergrin:

bigleaf
10-31-2012, 22:35
Tell 'em you heard it here first... Obama with a big win. Romney slinks away as the Republican party licks its wounds and looks for a strategy to re-purpose the same old crap into something more palatable than... crap.

frank4570
10-31-2012, 22:37
Tell 'em you heard it here first... Obama with a big win. Romney slinks away as the Republican party licks its wounds and looks for a strategy to re-purpose the same old crap into something more palatable than... crap.

I will tell them.

*ASH*
10-31-2012, 22:53
the fact is the winner of Ohio takes it , Obama will win this election by a pretty decent margin . sad to say :steamed:

im just focusing on governor , congress and house .

Snaps
10-31-2012, 23:11
not at all. There's no way people will make that mistake again

NEOH212
11-01-2012, 02:17
I think we all are just a little bit weather we want to actually want to admit it or not.

After all, this election will make or break this nation in the long term.

I sure hope Romney gets in. He's not who I wanted to see get the GOP nomination but he's better than Odumbo.

NEOH212
11-01-2012, 02:20
the fact is the winner of Ohio takes it , Obama will win this election by a pretty decent margin . sad to say :steamed:

im just focusing on governor , congress and house .



And if he does, it will be thanks to all the union bastards here in Ohio.

I hope they get what they have coming and end up reaping what they sow. If Odumbo gets in for another 4 years, they will be luck to have jobs. Hell, we'll all be lucky to have jobs much less a country that resembles what we've come to know as the USA.

Clutch Cargo
11-01-2012, 04:37
I'm concerned about the future of my beloved nation if the election goes Socialist.

Bren
11-01-2012, 04:37
It isn't about teaching the Republicans or Democrats a lesson, it's about being sick and tired of their BS and wanting REAL change that is in line with the Constitutional values of this nation. It's about being TRUE to ones values and beliefs and not bending to the will of the masses just because we CHOOSE to be free in our thoughts, actions and choices.

You can continue to be a slave to the illusion you are in you or you can step out and see with clearer eyes that it doesn't matter which of the two evils you have been coerced into voting for wins, nothing will significantly change for the better and we will continue off the cliff of failure regardless. To believe otherwise tells me you have consumed much of the kool-aid proffered by your "choice".

So you're going to vote for a guy who CAN NOT WIN under any circumstances, and you call it an "illusion" when I think that's foolish?

Following your choice, "nothing will significantly change for the better and we will continue off the cliff of failure regardless." In fact, the result will be the same as with my choice - either Romney or Obama will be president. The differencve is, I will use my vote to help Romney and you will use yours to help which ever of those 2 you think is the worst choice.

If you want real change, you're apparently going to have to be smarter to figure out how to get it.

Clutch Cargo
11-01-2012, 04:39
And if he does, it will be thanks to all the union bastards here in Ohio.

I hope they get what they have coming and end up reaping what they sow. If Odumbo gets in for another 4 years, they will be luck to have jobs. Hell, we'll all be lucky to have jobs much less a country that resembles what we've come to know as the USA.

I'm all for kicking Ohio out of the union.

Big Bird
11-01-2012, 04:41
I'm fairly confident Zero will go down right next to Jimmy Carter as one of the worst presidents in American history...

Carl Rove is a buggar eatin' smart guy (or an evil genius if you are a Democrat) when it comes to elections and calls it for Romney in todays' WSJ:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204846304578090820229096046.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Bren
11-01-2012, 04:41
I'm pretty sure he won't, but my wife and I went and voted (early) for him and Ryan this morning anyhow.

Where I live in Florida, Romney/Ryan signs are everywhere. I think I saw one Obama sign in the neighborhood, but now I can't find it. Yet, Florida is still a toss-up state.

So all of the evidence, from your neighborhood to the latest polls says Romney will win...and you're pretty sure he won't?

Does that seem like a rational conclusion to you? Did you just mean Florida? He'll win there too.

costanza187
11-01-2012, 04:45
Yes I am nervous. It is going to be a looooong night.

If Romney wins, I am ready for whatever fallout will follow. He may not be the answer to all our problems, but I know who I don't want.

SevenSixtyTwo
11-01-2012, 05:24
And if he does, it will be thanks to all the union bastards here in Ohio.

I hope they get what they have coming and end up reaping what they sow. If Odumbo gets in for another 4 years, they will be luck to have jobs. Hell, we'll all be lucky to have jobs much less a country that resembles what we've come to know as the USA.

Unions are dwindling on their own. If the Republican platform would drop the anti-union hardline and let the market decide their fate, you would probably see more union members voting Republican for the same reasons most here do. About 30% of union members already vote Republican. I've been a Democrat and union member for over 30 years and I vote for the candidate who's most likely to leave me the **** alone. I'm hoping Romney wins as nauseating as he is. We've already sent our ballots. Over 300 million people and this is the best two we can come up with. Like choosing my favorite Menendez brother every four years.

The Machinist
11-01-2012, 05:26
So you're going to vote for a guy who CAN NOT WIN under any circumstances, and you call it an "illusion" when I think that's foolish?

Following your choice, "nothing will significantly change for the better and we will continue off the cliff of failure regardless." In fact, the result will be the same as with my choice - either Romney or Obama will be president. The differencve is, I will use my vote to help Romney and you will use yours to help which ever of those 2 you think is the worst choice.

If you want real change, you're apparently going to have to be smarter to figure out how to get it.
Some people are fine with the government we have. That's why you don't vote to change it. Others aren't happy with it, and you can't expect to persuade them to roll over and take it like you do.

walt cowan
11-01-2012, 05:31
naw, jp morgan and goldman schacs have spent top dollar to get one of the two men they want.

certifiedfunds
11-01-2012, 05:41
Unions are dwindling on their own. If the Republican platform would drop the anti-union hardline and let the market decide their fate, you would probably see more union members voting Republican for the same reasons most here do. About 30% of union members already vote Republican. I've been a Democrat and union member for over 30 years and I vote for the candidate who's most likely to leave me the **** alone. I'm hoping Romney wins as nauseating as he is. We've already sent our ballots. Over 300 million people and this is the best two we can come up with. Like choosing my favorite Menendez brother every four years.

Without you and your union brothers, Obama would have never been elected.

Magnus2131
11-01-2012, 06:06
Some people are fine with the government we have. That's why you don't vote to change it. Others aren't happy with it, and you can't expect to persuade them to roll over and take it like you do.
How are you changing it? You guys are delusional.

HexHead
11-01-2012, 06:12
What? "Become" nothing. They've always been that way. It goes back to Jefferson vs Adams. Andrew Jackson had his mother called a prostitute, and wife was called a whore.

0bama's mother was a whore. At least that's what white women that had sex with black men were called in 1960.

Magnus2131
11-01-2012, 06:19
Me worried?
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TheJ
11-01-2012, 06:22
A little nervous. I worry about many on the right being too dumb to understand the consequences of voting for some third party nut to "teach the Republicans a lesson." (that lesson being that you can get a Democrat elected every time by using the power of the media to divide the right)
This.
lifetime Supreme Court appointees :shocked:
This.

So you're going to vote for a guy who CAN NOT WIN under any circumstances, and you call it an "illusion" when I think that's foolish?

Following your choice, "nothing will significantly change for the better and we will continue off the cliff of failure regardless." In fact, the result will be the same as with my choice - either Romney or Obama will be president. The differencve is, I will use my vote to help Romney and you will use yours to help which ever of those 2 you think is the worst choice.

If you want real change, you're apparently going to have to be smarter to figure out how to get it.
Yep

TheJ
11-01-2012, 06:23
Me worried?
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:rofl:

Clutch Cargo
11-01-2012, 06:28
not at all. There's no way people will make that mistake again

We have a class of entitlement addicted people in this country who will vote for obamalamadingdong.

Psychman
11-01-2012, 06:33
0bama's mother was a . At least that's what white women that had sex with black men were called in 1960.


You expect this thread to stay open with such a statement???

Clutch Cargo
11-01-2012, 06:39
You expect this thread to stay open with such a statement???

The truth may close the thread?

Chaos
11-01-2012, 07:02
Sorry to say it, but watching what the rest of the world outside of the USA is seeing daily, and the sentiment that is obvious to those of us without a vested interest...there ain't no chance in hell that Romney can win. It's gonna be Obama...which says a lot about the state of the US and how PC'ness is winning over logic nowdays. Really sad. But obvious.

Chaos

eruby
11-01-2012, 07:15
I've never been nervous, I've always presumed either the great unwashed would vote hussein back into office, or the election, by hook or by crook, will go the way of hussein.

Hopefully I will be wrong and everyone can make quite a bit of sport of me mmmm hmmmmmm.

Longtooths
11-01-2012, 07:18
I'm only nervous about what the Obama Admin. will pull-off in the time between losing the election and actually leaving office.


This ^^

nmk
11-01-2012, 07:39
I can't wait for Tuesday. I'm tired of people saying really stupid things to defend their choice no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

Of course there will be crying and moaning for weeks by the supporters of the loser. Many refuse to accept that their candidate could lose without some form of cheating.

Psychman
11-01-2012, 07:41
I can't wait for Tuesday. I'm tired of people saying really stupid things to defend their choice no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

Of course there will be crying and moaning for weeks by the supporters of the loser. Many refuse to accept that their candidate could lose without some form of cheating.

The aftermath should be entertaining.

nmk
11-01-2012, 07:48
The aftermath should be entertaining.

I completely agree. Regardless of the outcome...

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okie
11-01-2012, 07:52
I am very nervous for sure:nailbiting:

Chuck TX
11-01-2012, 08:54
Sorry to say it, but watching what the rest of the world outside of the USA is seeing daily, and the sentiment that is obvious to those of us without a vested interest...there ain't no chance in hell that Romney can win. It's gonna be Obama...which says a lot about the state of the US and how PC'ness is winning over logic nowdays. Really sad. But obvious.

Chaos

How's that? Is that simply the vibe over there? Even with +Dem polling, often falsely assuming a 2008 Dem voter turnout, Mitt is either ahead or it's even.

Armchair Commando
11-01-2012, 08:58
It isn't about teaching the Republicans or Democrats a lesson, it's about being sick and tired of their BS and wanting REAL change that is in line with the Constitutional values of this nation. It's about being TRUE to ones values and beliefs and not bending to the will of the masses just because we CHOOSE to be free in our thoughts, actions and choices.

You can continue to be a slave to the illusion you are in you or you can step out and see with clearer eyes that it doesn't matter which of the two evils you have been coerced into voting for wins, nothing will significantly change for the better and we will continue off the cliff of failure regardless. To believe otherwise tells me you have consumed much of the kool-aid proffered by your "choice".

Keep telling yourself that, a few more election cycles and you won't have a constitution to worry about.

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SevenSixtyTwo
11-01-2012, 09:56
Without you and your union brothers, Obama would have never been elected.

Unions make up less than 10% of the work force and over 30% of union members vote Republican for other issues. The math simply doesn't add up to support your claim. The blame for Obama's election lies squarely with the Republicans' failure to offer someone who appeals to the majority on issues that matter.

certifiedfunds
11-01-2012, 10:01
Unions make up less than 10% of the work force and over 30% of union members vote Republican for other issues. The math simply doesn't add up to support your claim. The blame for Obama's election lies squarely with the Republicans' failure to offer someone who appeals to the majority on issues that matter.

So you're saying 70% of union members vote dem.

Simply examine the "color" of heavily unionized states....you know, those states where unions have killed the industry the fed upon.....Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and so forth....Blue or Red?

Unions are the defacto home of communism in the United States. Leeches that suck the life blood out of industry and destroy everything they touch.

tantrix
11-01-2012, 10:02
A little nervous. I worry about many on the right being too dumb to understand the consequences of voting for some third party nut to "teach the Republicans a lesson." (that lesson being that you can get a Democrat elected every time by using the power of the media to divide the right)

Except you're wrong. The right doesn't need the media to help them, they'll divide themselves just fine...like they've done for decades.

certifiedfunds
11-01-2012, 10:02
Keep telling yourself that, a few more election cycles and you won't have a constitution to worry about.

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After 100 years of voting democrat or republican, we hardly have one now.

G36's Rule
11-01-2012, 10:03
It's all been determined by the corporate masters... the tension you feel, that's been created through the illusion of choice and debates.

We are not powerless, the problem is people are too blinded by bling and lazy to step up and do what's right and fearful to leave their comfort zone for a real possible change.

Wait, what? Contradicted yourself within a couple of post.

M&P Shooter
11-01-2012, 10:05
No because I already know the country is filled with morons that will ask a Muslim to run the country for another 4. He has done everything wrong in front of their eyes and they still praise him:crying:

Glock20 10mm
11-01-2012, 10:39
So you're going to vote for a guy who CAN NOT WIN under any circumstances, and you call it an "illusion" when I think that's foolish?

Following your choice, "nothing will significantly change for the better and we will continue off the cliff of failure regardless." In fact, the result will be the same as with my choice - either Romney or Obama will be president. The differencve is, I will use my vote to help Romney and you will use yours to help which ever of those 2 you think is the worst choice.

If you want real change, you're apparently going to have to be smarter to figure out how to get it.

I am, I stopped suckling the corporate teat and toeing a failed party line. More and more are moving away from both of the main parties, it's just a matter of time before they are both weakened enough to insert third party candidates.

There is no difference, you believe you are helping Romney win the truth is his corporate sponsors will decide if he wins or not. The entire system is a scam and no longer works as designed. It's time for a complete reset. But that's not going to happen due to apathy of our nation.

You can believe you are making change... it's a lie, just look at who is funding both sides. It's been this way for a while and it's getting more obvious and worse. I will walk my own path secure in not having betrayed my values, which means I didn't betray my country, the Constitution or my country-men.

Glock20 10mm
11-01-2012, 10:46
Keep telling yourself that, a few more election cycles and you won't have a constitution to worry about.

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You are correct because the lesser of two evils only brings us closer to failure at a fast walk instead of a run. You and others like you believe your choice will be the turning point. It isn't and won't be. Why? Because you were TOLD who to vote for, you didn't make a real choice. You are entranced by the same media BS that has so many others entranced.

So my question to you is, what are you going to do when Romney proves to be no better than Obama and he DOESN'T fix the things he SAYS he will? What are you going to do when Romney doesn't fix the tax issues we are facing really soon? What will you do when Romney continues to erode our Constitution and liberties?

You have been duped... and it's sad because those of us that have chosen to open our eyes have to watch it and pay for YOUR failure to see you are being dictated to, YOU as Lenin put it, are a useful idiot consumed by the machine and told what to think, what to believe and how to vote.

Glock20 10mm
11-01-2012, 10:52
Wait, what? Contradicted yourself within a couple of post.

It's only a contradiction in your mind. My first statement is based on the fact that special interest groups and corporations have the power to guide elections and other political processes how they see fit. There is documented ties with politicians and large companies.

The next statement does not contradict the first it shows that change can occur if we start using our minds and start voting for people that are NOT on the corporate roster or under corporate control.

And therein is the crux of our problem. People are comfortable and they don't want to upset the apple cart because that might make them uncomfortable. But there are some of us that have cut the umbilical to media and the corporate teat and it allows us the freedom to clearly see neither the emperor or his challenger have clothes. It allows us to make choices unclouded by corporate or media interests.

But if you can't see that... then there's part of the problem as why we will continue to circle the toilet bowl of failed empires.

oceanwarrior
11-01-2012, 11:10
At every election,I'm always impressed by how much people can forget in 4 years,the promises,the statements,the actions, and the screw-ups done by the incumbent in office.
AND they will forget and forgive the said incumbent and re-elect him or her for another 4 year screwing.

Since I'm in Hawaii my vote will not count as the election will have been decided by the time our polls close,so I'll know who the next president will be before our polls close.

We have our own El Supremo,Lord,Master and Commander,Senator-For-Life,Dan Inouye,that keeps getting re-elected no matter how he screws up.

He's the guy that said "I don't care how the people of Hawaii vote,I'm voting for Hilary" 4 years ago when Hussein got nominated.

I vote every year but it's like trying to hold back high tide comming in.

oceanwarrior

SevenSixtyTwo
11-01-2012, 11:17
So you're saying 70% of union members vote dem.

Simply examine the "color" of heavily unionized states....you know, those states where unions have killed the industry the fed upon.....Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and so forth....Blue or Red?

Unions are the defacto home of communism in the United States. Leeches that suck the life blood out of industry and destroy everything they touch.

Unions are American workers who bargain collectively for better wages and benefits. But you're entitled to you opinion of hatred however wrong it may be. Are you willing to cut your pay in half for the sake of reducing the cost of healthcare? I didn't think so.

SevenSixtyTwo
11-01-2012, 11:22
You are correct because the lesser of two evils only brings us closer to failure at a fast walk instead of a run. You and others like you believe your choice will be the turning point. It isn't and won't be. Why? Because you were TOLD who to vote for, you didn't make a real choice. You are entranced by the same media BS that has so many others entranced.

So my question to you is, what are you going to do when Romney proves to be no better than Obama and he DOESN'T fix the things he SAYS he will? What are you going to do when Romney doesn't fix the tax issues we are facing really soon? What will you do when Romney continues to erode our Constitution and liberties?

You have been duped... and it's sad because those of us that have chosen to open our eyes have to watch it and pay for YOUR failure to see you are being dictated to, YOU as Lenin put it, are a useful idiot consumed by the machine and told what to think, what to believe and how to vote.

Damn! I don't care who you are or what you believe. That's an excellent post.

phil evans
11-01-2012, 11:33
unions get more than their fair share at this time- their greed always for more - makes other people not support unions.

obama cut unions out and gave them extra special deals and
special exemptions not avaliable to regular folks.

why should union supervisors be paid more than - doctors who possess 8-12 years of education beyond highschool.

when shtf then people with a trade will claim their rightful place in the aftermath/society.

G29Reload
11-01-2012, 11:33
Damn! I don't care who you are or what you believe. That's an excellent post.

Its not only NOT excellent, its stupid, arrogant and presumptuous. He has no idea what Romney will do as president and from the evidence he might actually turn out to be pretty good.

tantrix
11-01-2012, 11:33
So my question to you is, what are you going to do when Romney proves to be no better than Obama and he DOESN'T fix the things he SAYS he will? What are you going to do when Romney doesn't fix the tax issues we are facing really soon? What will you do when Romney continues to erode our Constitution and liberties?

That one's not hard. The Romney voters will blame it Obama, of course.

G36's Rule
11-01-2012, 11:39
The next statement does not contradict the first it shows that change can occur if we start using our minds and start voting for people that are NOT on the corporate roster or under ...

You can't change anything by voting for someone unelectable. So yes, you are contradicting yourself.

The rest of your corporate rant is just silliness.

certifiedfunds
11-01-2012, 11:50
Unions are American workers who bargain collectively for better wages and benefits. But you're entitled to you opinion of hatred however wrong it may be. Are you willing to cut your pay in half for the sake of reducing the cost of healthcare? I didn't think so.


Unions are, and long have been, the home of Marxism in the US. Union members are anti-American.

Carrys
11-01-2012, 12:24
You are correct because the lesser of two evils only brings us closer to failure at a fast walk instead of a run. You and others like you believe your choice will be the turning point. It isn't and won't be. Why? Because you were TOLD who to vote for, you didn't make a real choice. You are entranced by the same media BS that has so many others entranced.


Oh I see, said the blind man.

I and we are all told who to vote for, while the only guy who's voting for the right person......is you, eh?:rofl:

I see so many knotheads who just know they are so very much smarter than everyone else, welcome abroad the USS I'm Smarter Than you All son.

Kinda fits you, ya know?:wavey:

SevenSixtyTwo
11-01-2012, 13:25
Unions are, and long have been, the home of Marxism in the US. Union members are anti-American.

Every member I know including myself is very much American. As Americans, we exercise the right to bargain collectively.

Carrys
11-01-2012, 13:28
Every member I know including myself is very much American. As Americans, we exercise the right to bargain collectively.

Ya just don't/aren't getting it, eh?:wavey:

Glock20 10mm
11-01-2012, 14:05
You can't change anything by voting for someone unelectable. So yes, you are contradicting yourself.

The rest of your corporate rant is just silliness.

Yes, you can if enough people stop toeing the party line and vote third party. Imagine the upset that would cause. The message would be loud and clear, we are finished with the same party different logo BS. But because people refuse to step back from the party line, like rabid pit-bulls we continue down the path of self immolation.

Glock20 10mm
11-01-2012, 14:06
Oh I see, said the blind man.

I and we are all told who to vote for, while the only guy who's voting for the right person......is you, eh?:rofl:

I see so many knotheads who just know they are so very much smarter than everyone else, welcome abroad the USS I'm Smarter Than you All son.

Kinda fits you, ya know?:wavey:

Maybe not smarter than others, but not duped, bought and paid for like the others. It takes a brave person to stand alone and follow ones belief's. It takes nothing to go along with the rest of the crowd... just because you know... he's doing it too!

SevenSixtyTwo
11-01-2012, 15:40
Ya just don't/aren't getting it, eh?:wavey:

I get it every Friday direct deposit. The worldwide company I work for is doing very well and I'm grateful for the 40hr work week, OT, holidays, safe working conditions, good pay and benefits that those before me fought for. We tried it the other way. That's the reason unions were formed to begin with.:supergrin:

tongix
11-01-2012, 15:41
It doesnt matter now for i ve been to the mountain top and ive seen the promised land. My eyes have seen the glory and the coming of a major meltdown. Yeah folks, $16 trillion and counting, we should be nervous at this moment. America is no longer financially independent. We borrow more money than we earn.

SevenSixtyTwo
11-01-2012, 15:48
Its not only NOT excellent, its stupid, arrogant and presumptuous. He has no idea what Romney will do as president and from the evidence he might actually turn out to be pretty good.

I think he'll do better than O and W as he's a successful business man. I think we're going to see how he does. I had more anxiety in '08 about it than I do now. The prospect of O or Palin didn't give me sound sleep. Over 300 million people...

Ruble Noon
11-01-2012, 16:34
Every member I know including myself is very much American. As Americans, we exercise the right to bargain collectively.

Communist Party USA Boasts Working Relationship with AFL-CIO’s Richard Trumka in their Elections Analysis

http://gulagbound.com/8554/communist-party-usa-analysis-of-mid-term-elections/#.UJL3oWfjIxw

certifiedfunds
11-01-2012, 16:37
Communist Party USA Boasts Working Relationship with AFL-CIO’s Richard Trumka in their Elections Analysis

http://gulagbound.com/8554/communist-party-usa-analysis-of-mid-term-elections/#.UJL3oWfjIxw

It's precisely why the call them "useful idiots"

SevenSixtyTwo
11-01-2012, 16:50
Communist Party USA Boasts Working Relationship with AFL-CIO’s Richard Trumka in their Elections Analysis

http://gulagbound.com/8554/communist-party-usa-analysis-of-mid-term-elections/#.UJL3oWfjIxw

First I've ever heard of the Communist Party USA. Has nothing to do with me or our union.

eruby
11-02-2012, 05:12
.....Why? Because you were TOLD who to vote for, you didn't make a real choice. You are entranced by the same media BS that has so many others entranced.....Welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, welly, well. That sounds like A Clockwork Orange my droogies.

Who would get the vote of Alex? Or Dim?

Ah well, off to the Korova Milk Bar

GWSHARK
11-02-2012, 06:59
Nov 7th I wake up.. dump... shower.. turn on sportscenter... dress... brush my teeth... crack some hard boiled eggs... make some turkey bacon and a kcup.... kiss the wife and kids... head to work.

Nov 8th and 9th: See above.

bigleaf
11-02-2012, 07:05
I get it every Friday direct deposit. The worldwide company I work for is doing very well and I'm grateful for the 40hr work week, OT, holidays, safe working conditions, good pay and benefits that those before me fought for. We tried it the other way. That's the reason unions were formed to begin with.:supergrin:

Hear, hear!

Bilbo Bagins
11-02-2012, 07:12
I'm nervous in the sense that I really don't know who is going to win. In 2008 I kind of knew McCain was going to lose. Same with Kerry in 2004. I remember in 2000 everyone said it was a "lesser of two evils" thing, seriously no one really cared in 2000.

I know I'm paranoid but I think there is a weird dynamic in America with this election. I truely think that whoever wins in this there will be serious crap going down. Either racial rioting and belly aching with an Romney win, or another economic crash and a gun/ammo panic with Obama winning.

Eurodriver
11-02-2012, 07:20
If Obama wins, it will be the same as Romney winning.

Carrys
11-02-2012, 07:24
You have been duped... and it's sad because those of us that have chosen to open our eyes have to watch it and pay for YOUR failure to see you are being dictated to, YOU as Lenin put it, are a useful idiot consumed by the machine and told what to think, what to believe and how to vote.

Damn! I don't care who you are or what you believe. That's an excellent post.

Its not only NOT excellent, its stupid, arrogant and presumptuous. He has no idea what Romney will do as president and from the evidence he might actually turn out to be pretty good.


Thank you sir!





That one's not hard. The Romney voters will blame it Obama, of course.

You mean how the great one and his followers have been blaming Bush forever?:wavey:


Maybe not smarter than others, but not duped, bought and paid for like the others. It takes a brave person to stand alone and follow ones belief's. It takes nothing to go along with the rest of the crowd... just because you know... he's doing it too!

Well golly, I sure wish someone would send me that "bought and paid for" check......ya know?:rofl:









You think we are bought and paid for with money evidently........and I'm pretty sure you're bought and paid for with ideology. Thing is, I've never received any money.....but you certainly seem full to the brim with ideology.:wavey:






That's the reason unions were formed to begin with.:supergrin:


Not IMO.

Unions were made to ensure that what the unions are doing to us....... didn't get done to the unions.:faint:

SevenSixtyTwo
11-02-2012, 10:21
Not IMO.

Unions were made to ensure that what the unions are doing to us....... didn't get done to the unions.:faint:

Now it's management's turn to grow some spine and balance out this act of free market negotiations. That way neither side gets sheet on. Our company of over 100yrs does this quite well.

certifiedfunds
11-02-2012, 10:47
Now it's management's turn to grow some spine and balance out this act of free market negotiations. That way neither side gets sheet on. Our company of over 100yrs does this quite well.

It isn't "our company". It belongs to the shareholders. You just show up and turn a couple of wrenches between mandatory breaks.

G29Reload
11-02-2012, 11:53
Not IMO.

Unions were made to ensure that what the unions are doing to us....... didn't get done to the unions.:faint:

There was a time there was a need for unions. That time is past for most of them.

The good ideas and protections unions created were so well done that they became codified in law.

40 hr work weeks, no abusive child labor, basic safety requirements, etc.

Since they are law, theres no further need for unions in most cases. The only thing they bring are wage bargaining leverage.

Except that there is a healthy free market for that. You don't like what they're offering, go down the street to another company. If the power of the market draws people away cause wages are too low, they will rise to attract the workers back.

Forced concessions on wages only make companies employing the workers less competitive. Exorbitant wages brought by unions have killed jobs in this country and driven work overseas.

SevenSixtyTwo
11-02-2012, 13:43
It isn't "our company". It belongs to the shareholders. You just show up and turn a couple of wrenches between mandatory breaks.

I own a few shares in the company. Therefore it is "our" company. You know nothing.

certifiedfunds
11-02-2012, 13:44
I own a few shares in the company. Therefore it is "our" company. You know nothing.

Sure you do

sugarcreek
11-02-2012, 13:52
If Obama wins, it will be the same as Romney winning.

nevermind

SevenSixtyTwo
11-02-2012, 14:08
There was a time there was a need for unions. That time is past for most of them.

The good ideas and protections unions created were so well done that they became codified in law.

40 hr work weeks, no abusive child labor, basic safety requirements, etc.

Since they are law, theres no further need for unions in most cases. The only thing they bring are wage bargaining leverage.

Except that there is a healthy free market for that. You don't like what they're offering, go down the street to another company. If the power of the market draws people away cause wages are too low, they will rise to attract the workers back.

Forced concessions on wages only make companies employing the workers less competitive. Exorbitant wages brought by unions have killed jobs in this country and driven work overseas.

That's like saying there's no longer a need for the NRA. The right to own and bear arms is guaranteed in the Constitution.

Florida is a right to work state. I don't have to be a member to work for the company here. It's also a right to be fired state. If we don't earn our union pay and benefits, we're set free to find other employment.

I've worked non union. Their highest paid techs don't make what we make. Close in wages but less in benefits. Without unions, we'll all be making less. Without the NRA, we'll be throwing sticks at the bg.

Exorbitant wages? Even non union wages are too much for American business. $4 an hour Mexican wages are too much. $17 a day Chinese child labor! Now that's more like it. That's what's driving jobs overseas.

SevenSixtyTwo
11-02-2012, 14:11
Sure you do

You never answered the question. Would you be willing to cut your pay in half for the benefit of lowering health care costs in the US?

certifiedfunds
11-02-2012, 14:41
You never answered the question. Would you be willing to cut your pay in half for the benefit of lowering health care costs in the US?

Explain the question further and ill answer

vikingsoftpaw
11-02-2012, 14:52
Not really. The sun will still rise the following day. The kids will have to get ready for school and catch the bus, and me and the wife will go to work.

Within 30 days of his election last time, I was the work just dry up at my old place of employment. I was laid off and spent 2 1/2 years looking for another job.

I do not wish for a repeat of history.

SevenSixtyTwo
11-02-2012, 15:49
Explain the question further and ill answer

You don't design it, spec it, engineer it, manufacture it, package it, deliver it. maintain it, repair it or use it to help patients in any way yet you brag of making an exorbitant salary to simply pawn the product that basically sells itself out of necessity yet you whine that I make too much through collective bargaining that the companies have agreed to for over 30 years that I've been with them without any work stoppages. I would take a 50% pay cut if it were necessary to keep the company in business. As it is, the company is doing very well even after the Bush fiasco and Obama flop. Health care costs are out of control. Surgeons and health care providers don't make nearly enough. You're part of the problem. But you wouldn't be willing to be part of the solution.

SevenSixtyTwo
11-02-2012, 15:59
Within 30 days of his election last time, I was the work just dry up at my old place of employment. I was laid off and spent 2 1/2 years looking for another job.

I do not wish for a repeat of history.

What legislation did he pass that broke the company within 30 days? O wasn't even president yet 30 days after his election.. That sounds like damage left over from the previous administration. We have over three million millionaires in the US even under Obama. According to Rush and some here, all you have to do is apply yourself and you can be a millionaire too! Sorry for the sarcasm. Hope your current job pays well with good benefits. Hopefully Romney will win and his business sense will benefit us and his anti 2A nonsense won't take it away.

Stubudd
11-02-2012, 16:10
Well golly, I sure wish someone would send me that "bought and paid for" check......ya know?:rofl:




Fox news or CNN cashed it for you

certifiedfunds
11-02-2012, 16:44
You don't design it, spec it, engineer it, manufacture it, package it, deliver it. maintain it, repair it or use it to help patients in any way yet you brag of making an exorbitant salary to simply pawn the product that basically sells itself out of necessity yet you whine that I make too much through collective bargaining that the companies have agreed to for over 30 years that I've been with them without any work stoppages. I would take a 50% pay cut if it were necessary to keep the company in business. As it is, the company is doing very well even after the Bush fiasco and Obama flop. Health care costs are out of control. Surgeons and health care providers don't make nearly enough. You're part of the problem. But you wouldn't be willing to be part of the solution.

What product do I pawn that sells itself out of necessity?

Exorbitant salary? :rofl: In sales, you eat what you kill. In fact, everyone at the company eats what you kill. I don't kill, no one eats. That's why after the executive suite, sales is the highest paid. Anyone can turn a wrench. Rain makers are in demand. Investors like rain.

No. I'm not taking any pay cut to keep healthcare costs in control. My skills are too in demand. In fact, I fail to see how they are even connected.

I understand if you don't have better options though.

SevenSixtyTwo
11-02-2012, 17:11
You keep thinking that salesboy. Salesmen are a dime a dozen. Easily replaced and the first to go. No skills. Just a line of BS. If your options are unlimited, why were you laid off for six years and why are you still a lowly sales geek?:tongueout:

certifiedfunds
11-02-2012, 17:23
You keep thinking that salesboy. Salesmen are a dime a dozen. Easily replaced and the first to go. No skills. Just a line of BS. If your options are unlimited, why were you laid off for six years and why are you still a lowly sales geek?:tongueout:

1. Never been fired or laid off a day in my life. In fact, jobs find me.

2. Because most sales geeks I know pay more in taxes than you earn in a year.

Now, it's quitting time on Friday. Go take a shower. You probably smell.

SevenSixtyTwo
11-02-2012, 17:37
1. Never been fired or laid off a day in my life. In fact, jobs find me.

2. Because most sales geeks I know pay more in taxes than you earn in a year.

Now, it's quitting time on Friday. Go take a shower. You probably smell.

Me either but I didn't lounge around the house mooching off of the wife for six years. You did.

Then stop whining about how much I earn. Honest work for honest pay. Something you wouldn't know about.

Didn't break a sweat all day. Already had a shower. I can only imagine, like most geeky clammy handed salesboys, you smell like moldy cheese with too much cologne trying to hide it. Then it's even worse at the end of the day.:supergrin:

barbedwiresmile
11-02-2012, 17:43
Back on topic, yes, I am very nervous about this election. I am nervous about every election. After all, my liberty and my money are up for grabs by competing factions of looters.

BORNGEARHEAD
11-02-2012, 20:29
Gonna be same ole, same ole bullshet. All I gotta say is, Don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson! Woot Woot!

ModGlock17
11-03-2012, 04:47
In my business, sales have dipped about 50% in last 5 weeks. Looking at others' parking lots, malls, fellow businesses said the same slow down affecting them, though a different degree. Seasonally, it is slowing before the holidays, but not this much and this deep. We think it is the election.

People are worried and hunker down until they can "see" the future a little more clearly.