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dscottw88
11-03-2012, 13:08
I'm very much interested in getting an AR10. Although I consider myself rather experienced with AR15s, having owned several over the years, I'm extremely clueless when it comes to the AR10 platform. I've seen that there are some from CMMG, DPMS, Rock River, Armalite etc... And as usual, I want to get one without breaking the bank. So who offers the best bang for the buck? I like the idea of piecing it together (as I have done with my ar15s) so that I can customize the rifle to my liking, but I'm clueless as to who's uppers are interchangeable with others... Or are they all proprietary? On another note, Let's say I wanted to free float a barrel using a MI rail, would an AR15 rail be compatible or no? And not to add frustration, but I also own a FAL, therefore I have access to FAL magazines, and I was informed that certain 308 ARs accept FAL magazines. Are these reliable? Or would I be better off buying a lower that accepts the 308 Pmags?

Hedo1
11-03-2012, 13:33
I'm very much interested in getting an AR10. Although I consider myself rather experienced with AR15s, having owned several over the years, I'm extremely clueless when it comes to the AR10 platform. I've seen that there are some from CMMG, DPMS, Rock River, Armalite etc... And as usual, I want to get one without breaking the bank. So who offers the best bang for the buck? I like the idea of piecing it together (as I have done with my ar15s) so that I can customize the rifle to my liking, but I'm clueless as to who's uppers are interchangeable with others... Or are they all proprietary? On another note, Let's say I wanted to free float a barrel using a MI rail, would an AR15 rail be compatible or no? And not to add frustration, but I also own a FAL, therefore I have access to FAL magazines, and I was informed that certain 308 ARs accept FAL magazines. Are these reliable? Or would I be better off buying a lower that accepts the 308 Pmags?

I can't answer most of your questions but I have a DPMS LR-308. It has a 24" stainless steel barrel and accepts $22 Pmag's (20rd). It is a great platform. I put an adjustable stock on it and a badger latch. Scope is a Leupold VX3 6.5-20X. The rifle shoots MOA with handloads and will do close to that with Match factory ammo. About a $1200 rig before mods.

davsco
11-03-2012, 13:45
I have a DPMS LR-308. It has a 24" stainless steel barrel and accepts $22 Pmag's (20rd). It is a great platform. The rifle shoots MOA with handloads and will do close to that with Match factory ammo. About a $1200 rig before mods.

i have the same gun, with nightforce 5.5-22x56 scope. after i added a geisselle trigger, it shoots sub-moa all the way out to 600 yds, using Federal 168g gold medal match. i don't handload, at least yet.

WarEagle32
11-03-2012, 16:00
My DPMS 308 B is a Sub MOA tackdriver as well. Especially with 168 Sierra Matchkings!

surf
11-03-2012, 17:28
Only Armalite makes AR10's.

RWBlue
11-03-2012, 17:47
I need a reeducation on the AR-10 and clones again. They have changed since I last look into them.

Mag compatibility is on the top of my list.
The ability to buy multiple uppers is also high on the list.

JBnTX
11-03-2012, 17:47
Only Armalite makes AR10's.

Correct!

I had one and it was a super accurate rifle.
It was just too damned heavy, so I sold it for another Colt AR-15.

SLAMBERT
11-03-2012, 18:05
Armalite - Great - but $$$$$$$$$ (but they invented AR10) Cetme Battle Rifle - Cheap but most need work, rechambering, head spacing, barrel replacement ect. But if you can find a good one, they shoot really well too.

Cole125
11-03-2012, 18:18
The current Armalite company has nothing to do with the original Armalite company that introduced the AR15 and AR10.

If you want a AR platform in .308, you should save up for a LaRue PredatAR .308.

CMMG and DPMS are not known for making great rifles. Rock River on the other hand make some nice rifles, if you don't have the cash for the LaRue, RRA is the way to go.

SLAMBERT
11-03-2012, 18:19
No such thing as Mil-Spec AR10's. But Armalite has a couple NEW models that will use the CHEAPER Mags. As for upper's Armalite has every flavor u can imagine but are very pricey!! I bought the rifle, then a extra barrel (rifle gas tube) and cut it down to 16.1" and had a target crown put on it, if I want long range i change out the barrel?

johnson8861
11-03-2012, 18:47
There are a few thing to watch for while buiding a 308 ar.
First thing you should know whether it has an Armalite, or Dpms style barrel extension. The bolt you will need to use will need to correspond to this. I won't go in to great detail here, but there are several companies now that build great match grade rifles. JP, Larue, LMT, and KAC.

SLAMBERT
11-03-2012, 18:51
In 1995, former Army Ordnance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Corps_(United_States_Army)) officer Mark Westrom, owner of Eagle Arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eagle_Arms&action=edit&redlink=1), purchased the ArmaLite brand and the company became ArmaLite Inc. Shortly thereafter, ArmaLite Inc. introduced a completely new rifle, collectively known as the AR-10B rifle series. Notably, the AR-10B was not designed using the original AR-10 drawings from either ArmaLite or Artillerie Inrichtingen, but instead was based on the Colt AR-15A2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_variants), with parts scaled up or redesigned as needed to fire the 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) cartridge. The AR-10B prototype was composed of individual sub-components tested on a special lower receiver made of two slabs of aluminum fitted to a Knights Armament Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Armament_Company) SR-25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25) upper receiver assembly, and prototyped using computer analysis. The full prototype AR-10B was the first rifle off the production line.[49] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10#cite_note-48) Since 1995, the new ArmaLite company has also incorporated various other design and engineering improvements to the AR-10, including a newly designed steel magazine derived from the model used on the U.S. M14 rifle. The current ArmaLite AR-10 is offered in several versions including a A2 and A4 rifle or carbine with collapsible stock, a target model (AR-10T), a 'retro' AR-10B with Sudanese AR-10-style handguard and cocking lever (limited production) and one version chambered in 300 Remington SAUM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_Remington_SA_Ultra_Mag). Current users include the Ontario Provincial Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Provincial_Police) Tactics and Rescue Unit.
While ArmaLite Inc. holds a US trademark on the name "AR-10",[50] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10#cite_note-49) other rifle manufactures currently produce 7.62x51mm auto-loading rifles that are based generally on the AR-10 design: the DPMS LR-308 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_Arms), KAC SR-25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25), Rock River Arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_River_Arms) LAR-8, American Spirit Arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Spirit_Arms) ASA .308, Fulton Armory Titan, LWRC's R.E.P.R., LaRue Tactical's OBR, RND Manufacturing's "The Edge", the German Oberland Arms OA-10 and the Lewis Machine and Tool MWS. Sorry should have said perfected it?

TexasGlockster
11-03-2012, 19:16
In 1995, former Army Ordnance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_Corps_(United_States_Army)) officer Mark Westrom, owner of Eagle Arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eagle_Arms&action=edit&redlink=1), purchased the ArmaLite brand and the company became ArmaLite Inc. Shortly thereafter, ArmaLite Inc. introduced a completely new rifle, collectively known as the AR-10B rifle series. Notably, the AR-10B was not designed using the original AR-10 drawings from either ArmaLite or Artillerie Inrichtingen, but instead was based on the Colt AR-15A2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15_variants), with parts scaled up or redesigned as needed to fire the 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester) cartridge. The AR-10B prototype was composed of individual sub-components tested on a special lower receiver made of two slabs of aluminum fitted to a Knights Armament Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Armament_Company) SR-25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25) upper receiver assembly, and prototyped using computer analysis. The full prototype AR-10B was the first rifle off the production line.[49] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10#cite_note-48) Since 1995, the new ArmaLite company has also incorporated various other design and engineering improvements to the AR-10, including a newly designed steel magazine derived from the model used on the U.S. M14 rifle. The current ArmaLite AR-10 is offered in several versions including a A2 and A4 rifle or carbine with collapsible stock, a target model (AR-10T), a 'retro' AR-10B with Sudanese AR-10-style handguard and cocking lever (limited production) and one version chambered in 300 Remington SAUM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_Remington_SA_Ultra_Mag). Current users include the Ontario Provincial Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario_Provincial_Police) Tactics and Rescue Unit.
While ArmaLite Inc. holds a US trademark on the name "AR-10",[50] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10#cite_note-49) other rifle manufactures currently produce 7.62x51mm auto-loading rifles that are based generally on the AR-10 design: the DPMS LR-308 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_Arms), KAC SR-25 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25), Rock River Arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_River_Arms) LAR-8, American Spirit Arms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Spirit_Arms) ASA .308, Fulton Armory Titan, LWRC's R.E.P.R., LaRue Tactical's OBR, RND Manufacturing's "The Edge", the German Oberland Arms OA-10 and the Lewis Machine and Tool MWS. Sorry should have said perfected it?

As a teacher, this post stinks of Wikipedia. :p

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RWBlue
11-03-2012, 19:33
If you want a AR platform in .308, you should save up for a LaRue PredatAR .308.


Why and what mags does it use?

Travclem
11-04-2012, 06:52
Why and what mags does it use?
They are a work of art, and they take Pmags. I'd suggest the OBR or PredatOBR over the PredatAR, but they are in a whole 'nother price/quality range than the guns in the OP. They are the Ferrari of .308 gas guns. I am waiting on LaRue to build my 16" OBR7.62.

Of the guns in the OP, I really like the RRA except that it uses FAL mags. They are great shooters, and since the OP has FAL mags, probably a good option. The DPMS .308s that I have shot where decent shooters but They are kinda like Savage bolt guns IMO. accurate but lacking in the fit/finish department, they will take the Pmags/SR-25 mags. The old Armalites were great guns but I have no idea about the new "Armalite". CMMG is generally junk.

FullClip
11-04-2012, 08:36
I've had an Armalite AR-10T for about 12 years, and it's a relaible tack driver. Heavy as heck, and doesn't balance like an M1A, but has been 100% for me. I picked up several mags for it a long time ago, so ain't worried about getting more, just gotta' double check that I don't have an M1A mag mixed up with the AR-10 units. If I had to choose between the AR-10 and M1A....guess I'd pick the M1A as I like wood.....no pun intended. :supergrin:

Tombstone
11-04-2012, 17:34
I ordered a Rock River Arms AR in .308 last week, the Tactical Operator. Store owner said to expect a 4 month wait. I currently have an AR15 but this will be my first in .308. I also have a CETME and a FAL. Having the FAL is one of the reasons I went with the RRA as it is advertised as using both inch and metric FAL mags. I have a "few" of those so I'm hoping for the best!

I'm now trying to decide what to do about optics. Ideas?

Travclem
11-04-2012, 17:45
I ordered a Rock River Arms AR in .308 last week, the Tactical Operator. Store owner said to expect a 4 month wait. I currently have an AR15 but this will be my first in .308. I also have a CETME and a FAL. Having the FAL is one of the reasons I went with the RRA as it is advertised as using both inch and metric FAL mags. I have a "few" of those so I'm hoping for the best!

I'm now trying to decide what to do about optics. Ideas?
Budget?

I am putting a Nightforce NSX 3.5-15X50 F1 on my LaRue. A lower budget scope that some argue is just as good an options the Bushnell HDMR with the Horus reticle . Don't jump on me for saying Bushnell, Research this scope, it is supposed to be a winner. Then there is always the good old Leupold MK4.

RWBlue
11-04-2012, 18:07
I'm now trying to decide what to do about optics. Ideas?

What kind of shooting?

Although you may not be competing...Bench? 3gun? hunting longer ranges? Hunting in the bushes?

Are you a fan of pushing the scope out for a scout scope idea or up close with traditional placement?

BTW, Spend the money for the LaRue scope mounts. I have several of them. I am very impressed with they ability to be taken off and remounted for the same POI.

Travclem
11-04-2012, 18:12
What kind of shooting?

Although you may not be competing...Bench? 3gun? hunting longer ranges? Hunting in the bushes?

Are you a fan of pushing the scope out for a scout scope idea or up close with traditional placement?
The RRA isn't monolithic, I personally wouldn't do a scout scope.

wellcraft
11-04-2012, 18:49
if money is an issue i'd go with the DPMS since they make a nice rifle at a reasonable price. you can get into a DPMS base model AR10 for around a 1000 - 1100 bucks while most others will cost you a few hundred more. i bought a DPMS AP4 for 1200 and it was a great gun. Nothing wrong with the fit/finish, reliablity was 100% and accuracy was pretty decent. the only down side to the DPMS was mags were expensive, about 50 bucks, and when i bought my AP4 there were no other mag to use. i foolishly sold it but wouldn't mind owning another one if I had the cash and a good deal came along.

I've read good things about RRA guns and i think RRA is the only AR10 style rifle that takes FAL mags but I could be wrong about that. FAL mags aren't as cheap as they use to be so buying a AR10 that takes FAL mags is of no real benefit unless you already have a bunch of FAL mags. now that magpul is producing 20 rd AR10 mags buying a rifle designed to take them would probably be your best bet because the mags are inexpensive and readily available.

in my opinion RRA, DPMS, Armalite, LWRC, LMT, SIG, Larue, POF all make excellent AR10 style rifles and provide lots of choices depending on how much money you're willing to pay.

RWBlue
11-04-2012, 19:44
They are a work of art, and they take Pmags. I'd suggest the OBR or PredatOBR over the PredatAR, but they are in a whole 'nother price/quality range than the guns in the OP. They are the Ferrari of .308 gas guns. I am waiting on LaRue to build my 16" OBR7.62.

Of the guns in the OP, I really like the RRA except that it uses FAL mags. They are great shooters, and since the OP has FAL mags, probably a good option. The DPMS .308s that I have shot where decent shooters but They are kinda like Savage bolt guns IMO. accurate but lacking in the fit/finish department, they will take the Pmags/SR-25 mags. The old Armalites were great guns but I have no idea about the new "Armalite". CMMG is generally junk.

Do you have one?
Can I see some pictures?
What other uppers would fit it? I don't see Larue selling just uppers.

For the price, I could go custom.
http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2012-custom-rifles/ga-precision-g.a.-precision-gap-10-.html

WoodenPlank
11-04-2012, 19:48
Do you have one?
Can I see some pictures?
What other uppers would fit it? I don't see Larue selling just uppers.

For the price, I could go custom.
http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2012-custom-rifles/ga-precision-g.a.-precision-gap-10-.html

The LaRue is every bit as good as a GA Precision, if not better.

LaRue does not dell OBR uppers separately - complete rifles only.

Travclem
11-04-2012, 19:51
Do you have one?
Can I see some pictures?
What other uppers would fit it? I don't see Larue selling just uppers.

For the price, I could go custom.
http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precision-2012-custom-rifles/ga-precision-g.a.-precision-gap-10-.html

I had one (18") and sold it to someone who paid more for it than I did to avoid the wait. I have another one on order right now (16"). WP answered the rest.

P.S. word on the street is GAP uses a lot of DPMS parts. I can't confirm it, maybe it's a myth. who knows? but just a heads up if it matters to you. GAP makes a shooter but I wouldn't say they are better than LaRue.


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RWBlue
11-04-2012, 19:57
The RRA isn't monolithic, I personally wouldn't do a scout scope.

Having run a Steyr scout and then a scout scope on my AR-15 non-monolithic at least with my eyes and shooting ability I don't think it matters.

I would also say that with the Larue mount, you don't have to have the scope mounted on the FFR to have it pushed out enough. It could be mounted on the receiver.

This being said, I am more accurate with a more powerful scope mounted closer to my eye. But that is not how everyone wants to run.

Travclem
11-04-2012, 19:58
Having run a Steyr scout and then a scout scope on my AR-15 non-monolithic at least with my eyes and shooting ability I don't think it matters.

I would also say that with the Larue mount, you don't have to have the scope mounted on the FFR to have it pushed out enough. It could be mounted on the receiver.

This being said, I am more accurate with a more powerful scope mounted closer to my eye. But that is not how everyone wants to run.

To each man, his own opinion, I just don't like the idea.


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RWBlue
11-04-2012, 20:03
The LaRue is every bit as good as a GA Precision, if not better.

LaRue does not dell OBR uppers separately - complete rifles only.

Well, one of them is a factory gun (admittedly a very good factory and I would expect it to shoot very well). The other is a custom rifle. Order what you (I) want and pay for it.

Not selling attentional uppers, kind of kills it for me. (Unless other uppers fit the LaRue lower.) One setup will be an SPR on steroids suppressor and all. Then the future one would be a SBR.

One more thought.....
If I could I would love to have one in something like a 300WSM or 7mm-08 or 7mmWSM in the future.

The idea is to have a big Swiss army knife.

Travclem
11-04-2012, 20:12
Well, one of them is a factory gun (admittedly a very good factory and I would expect it to shoot very well). The other is a custom rifle. Order what you (I) want and pay for it.

Not selling attentional uppers, kind of kills it for me. (Unless other uppers fit the LaRue lower.) One setup will be an SPR on steroids suppressor and all. Then the future one would be a SBR.
The only "custom" upgrades on the GAP are things that come standard on the LaRue. i.e. the Geisselle trigger. A Civic wont outrun a Ferrari, no matter how "custom" it is. Not sayi g the GAP is low quality, they get rave reviews, just that the LaRue is just as good if not better... "Custom" or otherwise. But again, opinions vary.

The Larue receivers are machined billet and they use Lothar Walther barrels. The guns are manufactured to very precise tolerances. Mark LaRue started his career as a nuclear machinist.


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WoodenPlank
11-04-2012, 20:19
Well, one of them is a factory gun (admittedly a very good factory and I would expect it to shoot very well). The other is a custom rifle. Order what you (I) want and pay for it.

Not selling attentional uppers, kind of kills it for me. (Unless other uppers fit the LaRue lower.) One setup will be an SPR on steroids suppressor and all. Then the future one would be a SBR.

One more thought.....
If I could I would love to have one in something like a 300WSM or 7mm-08 or 7mmWSM in the future.

The idea is to have a big Swiss army knife.

LaRue 5.56 lowers should fit any standard upper. Not sure on the .308, as there isn't a universal standard.

The only "custom" upgrades on the GAP are things that come standard on the LaRue. i.e. the Geisselle trigger. A Civic wont outrun a Ferrari, no matter how "custom" it is. Not sayi g the GAP is low quality, they get rave reviews, just that the LaRue is just as good if not better... "Custom" or otherwise. But again, opinions vary.

The Larue receivers are machined billet and they use Lothar Walther barrels. The guns are manufactured to very precise tolerances. Mark LaRue started his career as a nuclear machinist.


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Absolutely. There's a reason that OBRs have started showing up in elite units, and 3 of the 4 rifles used by the top two teams of the 2010 International Sniper Competition were OBRs.

RWBlue
11-04-2012, 20:48
The only "custom" upgrades on the GAP are things that come standard on the LaRue. i.e. the Geisselle trigger. A Civic wont outrun a Ferrari, no matter how "custom" it is. Not sayi g the GAP is low quality, they get rave reviews, just that the LaRue is just as good if not better... "Custom" or otherwise. But again, opinions vary.

The Larue receivers are machined billet and they use Lothar Walther barrels. The guns are manufactured to very precise tolerances. Mark LaRue started his career as a nuclear machinist.


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My understanding is that GAP is true custom. They will build you what you ask for.

LaRue is making a few parts.
GAP is just putting parts together.

But the great thing about the AR-15 platform (and to it's extent it's big brother) is that any person can put one together. GAP is just doing that. So saying it is a Ferrari vs. Civic is just wrong.

If I can get a better understanding of what parts work together, I might just put this together on my own like I have with some AR-15s.

mgs
11-05-2012, 11:27
The AR-10 is now offered in an A Model for PMags / SR25 waffle mags. I'm going that route probably.

Tombstone
11-05-2012, 20:25
Scopes are something I know the least about. With the RRA in .308 I'm looking for a scope just because the eyes aren't what they used to be. Something that would let me reasonably see out to five hundred yards maybe. If I could get something like that for $500 or $600 I would be happy. Of course, rings would be extra i would imagine.

With my lack of knowledge about scopes I could be way off base here but am just looking for info.

Armchair Commando
11-05-2012, 23:25
Scopes are something I know the least about. With the RRA in .308 I'm looking for a scope just because the eyes aren't what they used to be. Something that would let me reasonably see out to five hundred yards maybe. If I could get something like that for $500 or $600 I would be happy. Of course, rings would be extra i would imagine.

With my lack of knowledge about scopes I could be way off base here but am just looking for info.

In that range id look at the vortex viper hs lr scopes, and a american defense mount. Should be around 750ish for both.

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mattallamerican
11-06-2012, 15:40
what about the sig 716 i handled one at top gun supply it seemed very solid good fit and finish gas piston operation takes pmags 1700.00 not cheap im looking for feed back on the 308 platform before i take the plunge

Travclem
11-06-2012, 16:40
what about the sig 716 i handled one at top gun supply it seemed very solid good fit and finish gas piston operation takes pmags 1700.00 not cheap im looking for feed back on the 308 platform before i take the plunge
Sig is not notorious for good rifles.

mgs
11-08-2012, 12:28
The AR-10 is now offered in an A Model for PMags / SR25 waffle mags. I'm going that route probably.

Went with the Bushmaster XM10 3F. Midlength Moe with chrome barrel & chamber. Will make a nice truck gun. May put a red dot or scope on her.

boris96
11-11-2012, 10:13
Hogan H-308

mgs
11-21-2012, 17:11
Well my range report starts before I even get to the range. Rifle came today. Looked nice at the store and got home and started taking it apart. Strike One....barrel nut not timed correctly so my nice Moe hand guard is not straight. Rotated off center. Gas tube is aligned but hitting barrel nut. What idiots do they hire to build these things. At least the front sight is on straight. Strike Two....gas key on bolt carrier is not staked correctly....hardly at all but it is tight. No Strike Three yet but the bolt face looks like it was fired with copper washed steel cases or 100 times with brass cases.....looks like a gold bolt face? The fit and finish of the rifle is nice but the factory BMI Mag looks pretty cheap......glad I bought Magpul mags ahead of time. I have never been pleased with ordering a firearm online and this confirms my frustration. If you can't hold it and check it out, don't buy it. Now I need to ship the upper back to NY or take it to a gunsmith who, I hope, has .308 AR tools. The barrel nut looks standard but the upper receiver is larger and probably needs a different vise block. How can such a simple fix piss me off so much? Even I know to align the barrel nut dam it. Where is quality control these days? Oh.....I like the barrel, upper receiver and lower so far and if it was not for the Magpul furniture and sight, I would not have bought it hindsight being 20-20. Bushmaster strikes again. I was hoping the Remington plant would be better. Sorry for the rant.

FatBoy
11-21-2012, 23:13
If I can get a better understanding of what parts work together, I might just put this together on my own like I have with some AR-15s.

This is the best place I've found for all things AR10, if you haven't read it.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_62/378850_AR10_FAQ_and_information_Small_Update_2012.html

mgs
11-24-2012, 10:05
Well.....I'm ready to run. It pays to have a friend that is an Armor and real machinist since 1967. He pull the barrel that just popped off. He cleaned and recoated the threads with real copper antiseize and had to go 65fp to lineup the barrel nut.....milspec is 35 to 80fp. The one thing he noticed was it was not going any farther period. The finish on the barrel nut was not a spec material whatever that means. I'm just glad it's now correct. One thing to also watch for...we found the gas tube was riding 12 oclock high in the gas key/carrier which would have worn the tube out and cause a gas leak. Just the factory test firing showed a rub mark on the tube tip. That was corrected also and gas key staked properly to the carrier. Hope to get to the range tomorrow. Waiting for factory service was not going to be an option for me.....good friends spoil me I guess.

harleypower69
11-25-2012, 16:23
I love my LMT.

mgs
11-27-2012, 08:34
Well....it runs but not 100%. Seems like the chamber is tight. Will not chamber WW American 147FMJ white box. Runs Federal American Eagle 100% after I took the extractor apart and cleaned it. Lots of brass flakes? under it and only one spring...it calls for two (inner & outer) in the manual? Rear sight is cranked to the left so the front sight tower is not centered. I will probably just send the upper back to them to fix or replace. A tight chamber could be causing some of the ejection issues. I have not even sent in the Warranty Card yet! I'd say QC at BM is pretty low right now or they hired the wrong people. My serial # is only in the 400's from Illion, NY.

RWBlue
11-27-2012, 08:42
Well....it runs but not 100%. Seems like the chamber is tight. Will not chamber WW American 147FMJ white box. Runs Federal American Eagle 100% after I took the extractor apart and cleaned it. Lots of brass flakes? under it and only one spring...it calls for two (inner & outer) in the manual? Rear sight is cranked to the left so the front sight tower is not centered. I will probably just send the upper back to them to fix or replace. A tight chamber could be causing some of the ejection issues. I have not even sent in the Warranty Card yet! I'd say QC at BM is pretty low right now or they hired the wrong people. My serial # is only in the 400's from Illion, NY.

So is this an AR-10 or ....Bushmaster?

mgs
11-27-2012, 11:32
So is this an AR-10 or ....Bushmaster?

It's a Bushmaster.....sorry for the confusion. The AR-10A is now an AR-10 that takes Magpul/SR-25/DPMS mags.

Some AR-10 16" guns have had the same issues I'm having with the Bushmaster. I'm thinking the .308 really needs an 18"-24" barrel.

FatBoy
11-27-2012, 14:33
It's a Bushmaster.....sorry for the confusion. The AR-10A is now an AR-10 that takes Magpul/SR-25/DPMS mags.

Some AR-10 16" guns have had the same issues I'm having with the Bushmaster. I'm thinking the .308 really needs an 18"-24" barrel.

My 16" AR-10 has always been 100%; can't speak for the rest of the world.

Jason D
11-28-2012, 17:18
I am a huge fan of Armalite.
I have had an AR10A2 Carbine for about a decade. It's a nice handling and nice shooting gun. The only downside is that it take special magazines. I believe that an M14 mag will fit it, but won't lock the bolt back on empty. The mags I have for it are Armalite magazines converted from M14 mags.

Matthew Courtney
11-28-2012, 21:46
Scopes are something I know the least about. With the RRA in .308 I'm looking for a scope just because the eyes aren't what they used to be. Something that would let me reasonably see out to five hundred yards maybe. If I could get something like that for $500 or $600 I would be happy. Of course, rings would be extra i would imagine.

With my lack of knowledge about scopes I could be way off base here but am just looking for info.

$479 including the mount. Daylight visible red dot. 2-7x

https://www.primaryarms.com/Leupold_12_7x33mm_Leupold_VX_R_Riflescope_Ballisti_p/lp111233.htm

firstg19
11-28-2012, 21:51
In most cases an AR10 style rifle is going to be more accurate out of the box than an m14, hk91(ptr91), fal, or other semiauto military style rifle. Many will argue the ar10 is more prone than all of those listed though to experiencing jams in combat conditions. I do not own an ar10, but I have yet to see the one my buddy built (armalite receiver set, krieger barrel, dd rail, magpul prs..basically fully loaded) jam. Of course he uses his for long range shooting and it never really gets put through its paces. The other 308 rifles listed have been proven to be reliable in combat conditions. Certain ar10 style 308s have as well, I believe armalites and LMT MWS are in use by various military units. I have been contemplating between the above listed rifles for several years. If there was one 308ar style platform i would have bought one years ago. Then right when i had settled on the ar10b style, they go and decided to make the ar10a that takes magpul mags. I've decided that is the one I want, but I don't want to pay the price of the sass, and the only other model they sell is a 16 inch. I'm more interested in a 20inch model or picking up a receiver set, which they do not sell yet for the 10a model. DPMS for me is not an option because I am a snob :whistling:

GIockGuy24
11-29-2012, 16:18
I have three. A Knight's SR-25K, an AR-10 and a DPMS. The bolts are interchangeable between all three. The only ones I know that takes a different bolt are the ones that use FAL magazines and with those the bolt lugs are shorter / smaller to clear the FAL magazines. The AR-10 has a spring loaded firing pin. The others do not. The spring is removal to function like the others. The DPMS I bought because it was less than $1000 new. It works and shoots great. The DPMS receivers are made of lower grade, "weaker" aluminum than the others. My DPMS came with a cheap plastic 10 round magazine that doesn't work well. The DPMS steel 19 round magazines work but the slightly longer loaded military, "sniper" ammunition is too long to fit them. The Knight's steel magazines work well in the DPMS. The AR-10 takes M-14 magazines that have the magazine catch hole cut into them. They work very well. The SR-25 and DPMS can use the aluminum waffle magazines with an additional extended cut for the magazine catch but the aluminum waffle magazines are poor design. They often don't work well when new and they stretch and get out of shape with little use.

Jason D
11-29-2012, 19:01
In most cases an AR10 style rifle is going to be more accurate out of the box than an m14, hk91(ptr91), fal, or other semiauto military style rifle. Many will argue the ar10 is more prone than all of those listed though to experiencing jams in combat conditions. I do not own an ar10, but I have yet to see the one my buddy built (armalite receiver set, krieger barrel, dd rail, magpul prs..basically fully loaded) jam. Of course he uses his for long range shooting and it never really gets put through its paces. The other 308 rifles listed have been proven to be reliable in combat conditions. Certain ar10 style 308s have as well, I believe armalites and LMT MWS are in use by various military units. I have been contemplating between the above listed rifles for several years. If there was one 308ar style platform i would have bought one years ago. Then right when i had settled on the ar10b style, they go and decided to make the ar10a that takes magpul mags. I've decided that is the one I want, but I don't want to pay the price of the sass, and the only other model they sell is a 16 inch. I'm more interested in a 20inch model or picking up a receiver set, which they do not sell yet for the 10a model. DPMS for me is not an option because I am a snob :whistling:

My Carbine has always been accurate and reliable. Provided you use exactly the 7.62 ammo it was designed to shoot. My friend had one too, but kept shooting .308 through it. He couldn't understand why it kept blowing primers.

jrs93accord
12-02-2012, 20:15
I have a Knights Manufacturing Co. (now known as Knights Armament Corp.) SR-25 Match Rifle that was converted into a MK11 Mod0 system by the factory in 1993.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/006-6.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/004-8.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/jamesrea_2006/jamesrea2011A/009-1.jpg

This the most accurate rifle I own. Since the Leupold scope is calibrated for .308 WIN 168 gr. ammo, that is all that gets used. The 24" Obermeyer barrel is guaranteed to provide .5 MOA @100yds. It does not disappoint. For this kind of accuracy from this kind of rifle, you pay dearly for it. A model like mine can go from a little as $7000 up to $11,000 depending on the condition and the market. Sometimes, you can find a basic SR-25 Match Rifle for around $4500-$5000.