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00Glazz
11-04-2012, 13:44
Traded a ruger p95 for this 1911 today at a local gunshow! No markings what so ever on it besides the serial number?

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/8030/20121104143531150.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/photo/267/20121104143549247.jpg

It has what appears to be a GI frame? Because it has the lanyard ring on the bottom of the fram by the magwell. But it doesnt have any slide markings or anything. And has hogue grips . Thats it. Any help is appreciated!


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countrygun
11-04-2012, 15:09
Traded a ruger p95 for this 1911 today at a local gunshow! No markings what so ever on it besides the serial number?

http://imageshack.us/a/img203/8030/20121104143531150.jpg

http://imageshack.us/photo/photo/267/20121104143549247.jpg

It has what appears to be a GI frame? Because it has the lanyard ring on the bottom of the fram by the magwell. But it doesnt have any slide markings or anything. And has hogue grips . Thats it. Any help is appreciated!


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How did any paperwork get done without a brand name?

The picture was of no help.

You traded a Ruger p-95 for it? No brand?

Sounds like a kitchen table Franken11

00Glazz
11-04-2012, 15:19
No paperwork required at the gun show. Yep traded a decently used P95 blued for it. The guy said it was a rock arsenal. Which I am guessing he meant Rock Island. Got the pistol, 6 mags, holster and ammo for it, so figured I would take a chance on it. FWIW I shot it a little bit ago and it works flawlessly lol...

countrygun
11-04-2012, 15:31
No paperwork required at the gun show. Yep traded a decently used P95 blued for it. The guy said it was a rock arsenal. Which I am guessing he meant Rock Island. Got the pistol, 6 mags, holster and ammo for it, so figured I would take a chance on it. FWIW I shot it a little bit ago and it works flawlessly lol...

Hmm I don't keep up with the latest trends so i don't know who is making 1911s without putting their names on them but I know that slides are available, most from the Phillipines, that lack markings. But that photo wasn't much to go on.


Of course I have always held, since the first time I built a 1911 from parts decades ago, that it didn't take a ton of money to build a 1911 that would work. I recently helped a young man in my neighborhood do just that.

KennyFSU
11-04-2012, 15:37
The full name is Rock Island Arsenal so I assume it's them. They go $3-400 new, yours, not as much.


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F106 Fan
11-04-2012, 15:48
The logo on the grip doesn't look like that of Rock Island Arsenal. I couldn't read it but there may be a clue in that grip.

Richard

KennyFSU
11-04-2012, 15:48
That's true, but grips can be changed.

I found this article:

http://www.gundigest.com/gun-collecting-firearm-collecting/1911-before-the-great-war/3

The gun in the photo has similar markings for it's serial number. It doesn't mentioned the brand but just states the photo is courtesy of Rock Island Auctions.

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00Glazz
11-04-2012, 16:17
Hmmm I am guessing it is a franken rock island then. The logo on the grip is hogue. They are aftermarket hogue grips. Its really only going to be used as a range/fun gun anyways. Not going to be carried or anything. So I am not too upset about it. I was just curious on if anyone had any ideas on it.

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KennyFSU
11-04-2012, 16:28
It should be a good range gun, let us know how it performs. Although now you have to spend more money on .45 ACP lol.


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faawrenchbndr
11-04-2012, 16:33
That is not a Rock Island Armory.
Take the grips off, any markings under there?
Never seen one without maker markings. Most likely a Franken-pistol
from the seventies. I would have kept the Ruger.

faawrenchbndr
11-04-2012, 16:39
That's true, but grips can be changed.

I found this article:

http://www.gundigest.com/gun-collecting-firearm-collecting/1911-before-the-great-war/3

The gun in the photo has similar markings for it's serial number. It doesn't mentioned the brand but just states the photo is courtesy of Rock Island Auctions.

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The 1911 in the article is a 1911 model. The OP has a 1911A1 model frame.
It is not even close,......Rock Island Auctions is a Auction House
not a firearms manufacturer!

KennyFSU
11-04-2012, 16:49
Lol, I was just doing Google image search of 1911s in order to find one that has similar serial number markings as the OP. I stated in my post that the article does not state the make of that particular 1911. No need to yell! Haha.


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00Glazz
11-04-2012, 17:12
Under the right side grip there is a stamp that says A.R. sales co
So. Monte CA.

KennyFSU
11-04-2012, 17:41
Under the right side grip there is a stamp that says A.R. sales co
So. Monte CA.

This link may help you: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=107989


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faawrenchbndr
11-04-2012, 17:52
.......... No need to yell! Haha.


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was not yelling!

KennyFSU
11-04-2012, 17:55
Lol!

Reminds me of this:

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27389105.jpg


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3rdgen40
11-04-2012, 18:00
No markings what so ever on it besides the serial number.
It's obviously an early model NN made by Guncrafter Industries...:supergrin:

B.Reid
11-04-2012, 19:23
Looks like the start of a custom 1911. LOL

Batesmotel
11-04-2012, 19:26
How did any paperwork get done without a brand name?

I bought an old, unmarked Mauser style rifle. They listed it as Unidentified.

countrygun
11-04-2012, 19:58
I bought an old, unmarked Mauser style rifle. They listed it as Unidentified.

I realize that category exists but I have a hard time thinking about trading a Ruger off on a 1911 that fits in that category, unless I knew a lot about 1911s and REALLY wanted one.

I'm glad it turned out well for the OP. I might have gambled and bought it outright as a build base.

FLIPPER 348
11-04-2012, 20:20
FWIW I shot it a little bit ago and it works flawlessly lol...


Shoot it often and enjoy!

Jim Watson
11-04-2012, 21:26
Under the right side grip there is a stamp that says A.R. sales co So. Monte CA.

A.R. Sales was an aftermarket supplier in the 1970s.
You probably have a gun made up of military surplus parts with the slide roll marks removed on an inexpensive commercial frame.

If it shoots well, enjoy; but it is not worth a whole lot of money. Exactly as much as a Ruger P95.

KennyFSU
11-04-2012, 21:29
I had a P95 that I paid $300 for, so I guess you got a fair trade and an upgrade in the caliber department.


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TTM65
11-05-2012, 00:08
Shoot it, have fun, then use it as a base to build a nice gun. Rugers are not that expensive, you had your fun with the ruger so you really did not do too bad. If you decide not to build it up then it would make a good boat gun etc.

faawrenchbndr
11-05-2012, 04:26
It's obviously an early model NN made by Guncrafter Industries...:supergrin:

:rofl:

TTM65
11-05-2012, 05:15
Under the right side grip there is a stamp that says A.R. sales co
So. Monte CA.

That piece of information leads me to believe my first thought. I would bet this frame was made by Essex Arms for that company. Essex made lots of frames for lots of different companies. Too bad they do not anymore. Spoke with Norm after he closed the shop and moved to Florida. Had big plans but they have not happened in the last 2 years + so I do not think they will. For all of the Essex haters, you get what you pay for. Essex made great frames for my shop, I paid for the quality instead of settling for their daily run type frames.

1911Tuner
11-05-2012, 06:44
I would bet this frame was made by Essex Arms for that company.

Yep. The blocky front strap is the giveaway.

The question is whether the slide is also an Essex. Cast frames generally fare pretty well as long as it's a good casting. Cast slides...not so much. Even Ruger...pioneer of investment casting...knows better than to use cast slides.

About 10 years ago, I built up a pistol with slide/frame set from Essex. The frame's specs were a little hinky, but I got everything to work. The slide cracked in the port, adjacent to the breechface about 10,000 rounds in.

FLIPPER 348
11-05-2012, 09:03
Essex made great frames for my shop, I paid for the quality instead of settling for their daily run type frames.


My shop also. Years ago I bought a few dozen and just used my last Essex frame for a build last week and there will be no more. I've been using the Caspian 'classic' frames of late and they are a great value.

00Glazz
11-05-2012, 15:41
Yea as far as I am concerned I did pretty well on the trade. It is a great shooting pistol. Took it to the range today and ran damn near 300 rounds between myself and my buddy, no issues at all. So all in all I am happy, If I ever decide to pick up a p95 again, as others have said they can be had for 300$ tops. That and I have a p89 mkii if I really want the ruger 9mm. Thanks for all the help identifying this piece! I appreciate it all guys! I think I may eventually try and build this into something nice. If not then truck gun it becomes! :)

JDennis
11-05-2012, 17:22
I am guessing a RIA. Check this one out. no markings either.


Edit: Definitely not a RIA :whistling:

faawrenchbndr
11-05-2012, 17:55
See post #13......it's NOT a RIA

00Glazz
11-06-2012, 18:03
Lol :p

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