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Tophatter
11-05-2012, 16:45
I do a fair amount of work around water, not to mention on a boat, and as I've decided to transition over to a 1911 as my EDC, I'm starting to think about how to make one fit for that kind of environment. The desert and the sea are said to be two environments the 1911 doesn't handle well. Don't plan on going to the desert anytime soon, but I'd like to solve the sea problem.

I'm not going to abuse my Baer more than I already have, so I'll need something new to start with. I'm thinking I'd like something with a rail, and a Government-sized frame. Mostly going between the Rail Gun and one of Springfield's many iterations of the Operator, and honestly leaning towards the Rail Gun, just 'cause, you know, America.

Here's the real question, though: I'm assuming I'll need to get it refinished. What am I looking for? The HE coating on my HK P30 has handled salt water like a champ, but I doubt HK'd be willing to perform that process on somebody else's gun.

Any particular reliability smithing I should get done?

tglahn17
11-05-2012, 16:54
Walter Birdsong Black-T www.black-t.com/index.htm

fnfalman
11-05-2012, 17:08
An all stainless gun would solve most of your problem.

glock2740
11-05-2012, 17:11
NP3+ :thumbsup: It's THE maritime finish.

My Baer TRS has been finished in that and I like it a lot. :cool:

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac341/OU1911/BlackTRgrips016.jpg

DeLo
11-05-2012, 17:12
Stainless will do it.

bac1023
11-05-2012, 17:56
I'm not much for stainless 1911s, but that's probably the way I'd go in your situation.

klmmicro
11-05-2012, 18:03
I carried a 1911 during my shipboard time in the Navy as a rover. No special coatings, paints or anything...just kept it oiled. No rust in 5 years on any of the 1911's that were in the regular watch rotations. My personal experience is that the extra stuff is not really needed.

glock2740
11-05-2012, 18:15
Stainless can and will rust. Especially around salt water.

faawrenchbndr
11-05-2012, 18:20
Stainless can and will rust. Especially around salt water.

Yep,..........

Mayhem like Me
11-05-2012, 18:22
Get a stainless gun get it bead blasted and cerakote.....no rust.. or hard hat....

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glock2740
11-05-2012, 18:29
I carried a 1911 during my shipboard time in the Navy as a rover. No special coatings, paints or anything...just kept it oiled. No rust in 5 years on any of the 1911's that were in the regular watch rotations. My personal experience is that the extra stuff is not really needed.
Agreed. Maintenance is the key for sure. Keeping a maritime gun wet (rimshot), is the best way to keep it in top shape. :cool:

bac1023
11-05-2012, 21:23
Stainless can and will rust. Especially around salt water.

Very true

pistolwrench
11-05-2012, 21:41
Cerakote over stainless.
And use of a lanyard loop!!!!!!

mleroux21
11-05-2012, 23:03
Stainless can and will rust. Especially around salt water.

I agree. Stainless will rust. Just keep whichever gun you use well oiled and just go through her regularly.

MD357
11-05-2012, 23:20
Stainless can and will rust. Especially around salt water.

Exactly. Quick fast in a hurry.

Around water you'll need a GOOD finish of some sort. Take your pick, there's a ton of good ones.

ArmoryDoc
11-06-2012, 00:10
Colt Rail Gun and a can of Eezox. Set.

Shark1007
11-06-2012, 00:46
For what it's worth, I kept an old 1911 essex frame, gov't slide parkerized model on a boat in the Bahamas for years and years. It sat in one of those cheapo foam filled plastic cases locked up, but in salt air. Never an issue of rust with an occasional oiling.

What about an SR1911 and lube her up with froglube?

Tophatter
11-06-2012, 06:09
For what it's worth, I kept an old 1911 essex frame, gov't slide parkerized model on a boat in the Bahamas for years and years. It sat in one of those cheapo foam filled plastic cases locked up, but in salt air. Never an issue of rust with an occasional oiling.

What about an SR1911 and lube her up with froglube?
No rail, unless I'm mistaken. I have heard good things about that SR1911, though.

38 Super Fan
11-06-2012, 09:28
NP3+ :thumbsup: It's THE maritime finish.

:agree:

bac1023
11-06-2012, 09:57
NP3+ is a good finish for sure.

Glockdude1
11-06-2012, 10:03
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/trident/t1lg.jpg

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=FZ078&sid=ipcq3g3fwx4p43zjsyj7pd7wsixb557n

C&S Trident 1911. $3395

(it is on my wish list)

Vanman2004b
11-06-2012, 11:00
Stainless with Black-T.

glock2740
11-06-2012, 11:06
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/trident/t1lg.jpg

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=FZ078&sid=ipcq3g3fwx4p43zjsyj7pd7wsixb557n

C&S Trident 1911. $3395

(it is on my wish list)
Those are pretty cool guns. I think they're a little over priced for what you get though.

fnfalman
11-06-2012, 11:10
Stainless can and will rust. Especially around salt water.

So's everything short of titanium.

At least stainless steel doesn't depend on a coating to have corrosion resistance.

Rinspeed
11-06-2012, 11:28
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/Colt003.jpg

4Rules
11-06-2012, 12:48
How about ferritic nitrocarburizing your Baer?

Isonite QPQ (http://www.coalcreekarmory.com/custom_finishing.html)

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MajorD
11-06-2012, 13:07
don't overthink this. the navy vet that responded has the best answer. carry whatever. oil and inspect it frequently,move on.

SiberianErik
11-06-2012, 13:31
I would not have a 1911 in your situation, when I am around my boat or out on it, the FiveSeven or G33 goes on duty. Glocks simply excel in this environment. My G27 feel into the saltwater more than once and was still GTG.

Tophatter
11-06-2012, 13:48
How about ferritic nitrocarburizing your Baer?
And ruin a perfectly good excuse to pick up another 1911?

I would not have a 1911 in your situation, when I am around my boat or out on it, the FiveSeven or G33 goes on duty. Glocks simply excel in this environment. My G27 feel into the saltwater more than once and was still GTG.
A Glock would be the obvious choice, yes. As would the HK P30 I've already got that I mentioned earlier. But, I want a .45, and my hands are freakishly small.

SiberianErik
11-06-2012, 13:59
And ruin a perfectly good excuse to pick up another 1911?


A Glock would be the obvious choice, yes. As would the HK P30 I've already got that I mentioned earlier. But, I want a .45, and my hands are freakishly small.

XDs in .45 :wavey: your welcome.

dakrat
11-06-2012, 17:25
a 1911 wouldn't be my first choice around water because it sinks at a faster rate if dropped in water compare to a Glock. but If I must, Birdsong's Black T is what comes to mind.

fnfalman
11-06-2012, 18:45
a 1911 wouldn't be my first choice around water because it sinks at a faster rate if dropped in water compare to a Glock. but If I must, Birdsong's Black T is what comes to mind.

You think that you can dive fast enough to catch a sinking Glock?

dakrat
11-06-2012, 19:08
You think that you can dive fast enough to catch a sinking Glock?

certainly. mad skillz. get some

hatidua
11-07-2012, 12:57
When I lived in South Florida on the water, I had a stainless Ed Brown Kobra Black-T'd. I figured that stainless+Black-T was at least doing my part to prevent rust.

FLIPPER 348
11-11-2012, 14:56
The desert and the sea are said to be two environments the 1911 doesn't handle well.




...says who??

fnfalman
11-11-2012, 17:55
The desert is tough on every firearm and not just M1911. As far as the sea goes, what would cause the sea to jam up the guns? Kelps?

faawrenchbndr
11-11-2012, 18:09
Kelp can be very obnoxious! :rofl:

Glockdude1
11-11-2012, 18:17
The desert is tough on every firearm and not just M1911. As far as the sea goes, what would cause the sea to jam up the guns? Kelps?

Saltwater........

:faint:

mfm9
11-11-2012, 21:34
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/trident/t1lg.jpg

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=FZ078&sid=ipcq3g3fwx4p43zjsyj7pd7wsixb557n

C&S Trident 1911. $3395

(it is on my wish list)

Got one. It rocks. Per the instructions, I run it totally dry. Not a drop of lube anywhere on that gun. It's the most accurate 1911 I've ever shot, not that that's saying much, but everyone who shoots it falls in love with it.

-Mike

Bodyarmorguy
11-11-2012, 22:49
Cerakote over stainless.
And use of a lanyard loop!!!!!!

You won't get a better answer from a better source anywhere.

Bodyarmorguy
11-11-2012, 22:50
a 1911 wouldn't be my first choice around water because it sinks at a faster rate if dropped in water compare to a Glock. but If I must, Birdsong's Black T is what comes to mind.

You think that you can dive fast enough to catch a sinking Glock?

:rofl:

fnfalman
11-11-2012, 22:56
Saltwater........

:faint:

So, if I were to dip in my gun in saltwater, it'd get all jammed up and I can't fire a round?

Now, I know that I'm not a US Navy SEAL, nor do I even pretend to play one, but don't they take their guns underwater?

Tophatter
11-11-2012, 23:38
I'm not worried about saltwater impairing function, more just concerned that I'd have to clean it three times a day to avoid rust.

That said, I think I may just build up something based on the last released parts sheet for the old MEU(SOC) 1911.

fnfalman
11-11-2012, 23:43
I'm not worried about saltwater impairing function, more just concerned that I'd have to clean it three times a day to avoid rust.

That said, I think I may just build up something based on the last released parts sheet for the old MEU(SOC) 1911.

You don't have to clean it three times a day to avoid rust. Once a day is plenty. Also, it's not "cleaning" if you were not to shoot it. Wipe it down with new lube is hardly a bother.

$300 worth of magic coating is a lot of gun oil...I'm just saying. But hey, finishers gotta make a living too.

Tophatter
11-12-2012, 01:58
You don't have to clean it three times a day to avoid rust. Once a day is plenty. Also, it's not "cleaning" if you were not to shoot it. Wipe it down with new lube is hardly a bother.

$300 worth of magic coating is a lot of gun oil...I'm just saying. But hey, finishers gotta make a living too.
We'll see, I suppose. Salt water can do some nasty things to metal. But, the gun I'll be taking a lot of build cues from was simply Parkerized, and it held up for decades, so you may be right.

Glockdude1
11-12-2012, 09:04
Got one. It rocks. Per the instructions, I run it totally dry. Not a drop of lube anywhere on that gun. It's the most accurate 1911 I've ever shot, not that that's saying much, but everyone who shoots it falls in love with it.

-Mike

Post a pic or 2. The only pics I have ever seen of one, was from the C&S web site.

:cool:

Rinspeed
11-12-2012, 10:38
http://www.cylinder-slide.com/trident/t1lg.jpg

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=FZ078&sid=ipcq3g3fwx4p43zjsyj7pd7wsixb557n

C&S Trident 1911. $3395

(it is on my wish list)




I don't care how high a quality pistol it is I sure as hell couldn't spend big bucks on a 1911 that said made in Brazil on the side. :upeyes:

porschedog
11-12-2012, 11:05
+1 for stainless

I keep a S&W 65 in my boat bag
That being said, I love having an excuse to get another toy, so Project Marine 1911 is now underway

Glockdude1
11-12-2012, 16:36
I don't care how high a quality pistol it is I sure as hell couldn't spend big bucks on a 1911 that said made in Brazil on the side. :upeyes:

How about a C&S high Power?

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=BARBHP

Scroll down for the price.....

:supergrin:

FLIPPER 348
11-12-2012, 20:53
I don't care how high a quality pistol it is I sure as hell couldn't spend big bucks on a 1911 that said made in Brazil on the side. :upeyes:




Amen brother

faawrenchbndr
11-13-2012, 03:35
How about a C&S high Power?

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=prodshow&ref=BARBHP

Scroll down for the price.....

:supergrin:

That's not a 1911. :whistling:

Glockdude1
11-13-2012, 06:24
That's not a 1911. :whistling:

I was referring to the price. :wow:

fnfalman
11-14-2012, 23:38
I don't care how high a quality pistol it is I sure as hell couldn't spend big bucks on a 1911 that said made in Brazil on the side. :upeyes:

What about big bucks on one that's made in South Korea but doesn't say made in South Korea on the side?:tongueout:

Rinspeed
11-15-2012, 05:36
What about big bucks on one that's made in South Korea but doesn't say made in South Korea on the side?:tongueout:



I don't get it. :dunno:

fnfalman
11-15-2012, 06:26
I don't get it. :dunno:

Some companies use or used South Korean parts to build on.

I personally don't care, but certain gun owners are specific as to where the whole gun comes from.

faawrenchbndr
11-15-2012, 07:43
I was referring to the price. :wow:

They are amazing pistols though.......

Bulldog160
11-19-2012, 06:07
Metalife
Amazing endurance

eracer
11-19-2012, 06:10
Those are pretty cool guns. I think they're a little over priced for what you get though.Any 1911 that costs over $1000 is over-priced.

(Except for its value to a collector who's willing to pay.)

faawrenchbndr
11-19-2012, 07:16
Any 1911 that costs over $1000 is over-priced.

(Except for its value to a collector who's willing to pay.)


Any car that costs over $20k is over-priced.

(Except for its value to a collector who's willing to pay.)

R0CKETMAN
11-19-2012, 17:36
Armor Tuff over SS

m814
11-20-2012, 21:47
Stainless can and will rust. Especially around salt water.
I agree, it is definitely not what I would want. Go with Cerakote, Birdsong T, or NP3. Any of those will hold up quite well.