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Cochese
11-07-2012, 15:35
Anyone?

Found in the possession of a felon. No patches other than the nametape.

Army ACU coat in UCP?

Help please. I'm not military...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MWeMmcI4268/UJrTv13vejI/AAAAAAAAFHI/HLMu_ycKn68/s720/acubrown.jpg

GRIMLET
11-07-2012, 15:38
Us Army ACU

Morris
11-07-2012, 15:40
Widely available on the surplus market.

Lately, I've been seeing folks buying this stuff, wearing it and then claiming they are vets in an effort to get out of something. Like PTSD.

Cochese
11-07-2012, 15:42
So definitely ACU then?

Morris
11-07-2012, 15:44
Yeah.

Cochese
11-07-2012, 15:45
Cool, thanks.

LilCop2002
11-07-2012, 16:03
Cochese, While this has already been answered for you, most DoD uniforms have a label on the inside of the article of clothing that will tell you exactly what it is and who manufactured it.

Cochese
11-07-2012, 16:05
Yeah, its the wife's case. I told her to look for a tag and she ignored me.

:rofl:

GRIMLET
11-07-2012, 16:15
Widely available on the surplus market.

Lately, I've been seeing folks buying this stuff, wearing it and then claiming they are vets in an effort to get out of something. Like PTSD.

I bought a pair of acu pants online.
I had a prior service Airborne guy approach me on Bourbon St last St Patricks day. He was a initially irate thinking I was an Army poser but settled down after we discussed my prior service. Im a woodland and 7 color desert bdu soldier.
I havent worn the acu pants since.

Cav
11-07-2012, 16:18
It is called a coat. Its Army issue and worn over a tee-shirt and under a jacket. Its the regular state side uniform in whats known ACU (Army Combat Uniform). UCP is the color pattern and if Mil issued will be a 50/50 cotton nylon blend (or nomex in some cases with a set green square on set area's). The left shoulder will be the major command they serve under and the right side can be a US flag and combat patch for a unit they served with. The soldiers name should be on the right chest with U.S. ARMY on the left chest.

GRIMLET
11-07-2012, 16:21
It was called a blouse in the pre acu days. Im glad they changed that.
The pants were called trousers. I forgot that.

Kingarthurhk
11-07-2012, 17:45
They are easy to buy from Proper online. I use them for hunting.

metal
11-07-2012, 18:02
Is it illegal for a felon to be in possession of one? (just curious)
I thought current uniforms aren't supposed to be sold anymore but if it doesn't have all the 'stuff' is it still a uniform?

Cav
11-07-2012, 19:14
Anyone?

Found in the possession of a felon. No patches other than the nametape.

Army ACU coat in UCP?

Help please. I'm not military...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MWeMmcI4268/UJrTv13vejI/AAAAAAAAFHI/HLMu_ycKn68/s720/acubrown.jpg

FWIW there is a patch on the shoulder area that I see in the picture...

USAF96815
11-07-2012, 19:26
Is it illegal for a felon to be in possession of one? (just curious)

Nope......

I thought current uniforms aren't supposed to be sold anymore but if it doesn't have all the 'stuff' is it still a uniform?

Ranger Joe's, US Cav, and a host of other places sell real deal uniforms online/catalogs. Plus, you can go to any Army Surplus store and get the new stuff as well.

Cochese
11-07-2012, 19:53
It is called a coat. Its Army issue and worn over a tee-shirt and under a jacket. Its the regular state side uniform in whats known ACU (Army Combat Uniform). UCP is the color pattern and if Mil issued will be a 50/50 cotton nylon blend (or nomex in some cases with a set green square on set area's). The left shoulder will be the major command they serve under and the right side can be a US flag and combat patch for a unit they served with. The soldiers name should be on the right chest with U.S. ARMY on the left chest.

Here is more guys...

Cav, thanks for the information.

So accordingly, Spc. Brown of the 25th Infantry Division, with service in the 3rd Infantry Division out of Fort Stewart, got his coat stolen by this guy?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HwvH2ncMLk8/UJsP7gC2z4I/AAAAAAAAFHg/mnfM0O7jhzI/s912/acubrown1.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rXYOAPBuCCc/UJsP78cIBMI/AAAAAAAAFHs/8rWjvf3Zb34/s720/acubrown2.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kwqotifd3yg/UJsP7nzjEYI/AAAAAAAAFHk/UuW8Ip1KFqw/s720/acubrown3.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-TYvmuddN4pk/UJsP-q-Iq0I/AAAAAAAAFH4/p1k62v5MXRQ/s720/acubrown4.jpg

blueiron
11-07-2012, 20:44
It is technically illegal for someone not in the U.S. Army to wear an identifiable portion of a uniform: no U.S. Army name tapes, no rank insignia, no unit insignia. The jacket with only the nametape showing is acceptable for wear.

Back in my time, it was considered unacceptable to wear utilities as casual wear for any reason. They were only to be worn by those earning the privilege and then retired when service was ended. Then again, a Marine being called a Devil Dog is now an insult, when it was a badge of honor in my day.

GRIMLET
11-07-2012, 21:49
It is technically illegal for someone not in the U.S. Army to wear an identifiable portion of a uniform: no U.S. Army name tapes, no rank insignia, no unit insignia. The jacket with only the nametape showing is acceptable for wear.

Back in my time, it was considered unacceptable to wear utilities as casual wear for any reason. They were only to be worn by those earning the privilege and then retired when service was ended. Then again, a Marine being called a Devil Dog is now an insult, when it was a badge of honor in my day.

How is that an insult now. My son who graduates SOI on Friday confirmed its an old school term for Marines. Not so much used these days but still respectful.




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CJStudent
11-07-2012, 22:32
Here is more guys...

Cav, thanks for the information.

So accordingly, Spc. Brown of the 25th Infantry Division, with service in the 3rd Infantry Division out of Fort Stewart, got his coat stolen by this guy?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HwvH2ncMLk8/UJsP7gC2z4I/AAAAAAAAFHg/mnfM0O7jhzI/s912/acubrown1.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rXYOAPBuCCc/UJsP78cIBMI/AAAAAAAAFHs/8rWjvf3Zb34/s720/acubrown2.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kwqotifd3yg/UJsP7nzjEYI/AAAAAAAAFHk/UuW8Ip1KFqw/s720/acubrown3.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-TYvmuddN4pk/UJsP-q-Iq0I/AAAAAAAAFH4/p1k62v5MXRQ/s720/acubrown4.jpg

Partially right. Wartime service with the 25th Infantry Division, current assignment of the 3rd Infantry Division (mostly out of Fort Stewart, but with a battalion at Ft. Benning).

Morris
11-07-2012, 23:23
Gawd. I remember pickle suits from my USAF days . . .

blueiron
11-07-2012, 23:51
How is that an insult now. My son who graduates SOI on Friday confirmed its an old school term for Marines. Not so much used these days but still respectful.



Your son isn't yet in the Fleet. Fleet Marines for the past decade or so often consider it a derogatory term used by officers and SNCOs when trying to 'motivate' junior grade enlisted Marines.

More than a few young Marines coming back from the Fleet or the Sandboxes have told me that they loathe that term.

I disagree with them, but it isn't my Corps any more.

GRIMLET
11-08-2012, 00:42
Your son isn't yet in the Fleet. Fleet Marines for the past decade or so often consider it a derogatory term used by officers and SNCOs when trying to 'motivate' junior grade enlisted Marines.

More than a few young Marines coming back from the Fleet or the Sandboxes have told me that they loathe that term.

I disagree with them, but it isn't my Corps any more.

Thanks for that bit of knowledge. I will see how it goes for him when he gets back. He is up for a flight to Afghanistan in March.


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blueiron
11-08-2012, 00:48
A good example of its' use would be a Gunny yelling at a new Lance Corporal on an assault course: 'What's wrong with with you, Debbbil Dawg? Can't you push through faster?'

See this from almost five years ago: www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2008/04/marine_devildog_042708w/

'Gyrene' was once a popular term in the generation before my time, but not one Marine I knew in my generation warmed up to it.

GRIMLET
11-08-2012, 00:50
I learned to hate the name Private in Army Basic.


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Kingarthurhk
11-08-2012, 05:00
Here is more guys...

Cav, thanks for the information.

So accordingly, Spc. Brown of the 25th Infantry Division, with service in the 3rd Infantry Division out of Fort Stewart, got his coat stolen by this guy?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HwvH2ncMLk8/UJsP7gC2z4I/AAAAAAAAFHg/mnfM0O7jhzI/s912/acubrown1.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rXYOAPBuCCc/UJsP78cIBMI/AAAAAAAAFHs/8rWjvf3Zb34/s720/acubrown2.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kwqotifd3yg/UJsP7nzjEYI/AAAAAAAAFHk/UuW8Ip1KFqw/s720/acubrown3.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-TYvmuddN4pk/UJsP-q-Iq0I/AAAAAAAAFH4/p1k62v5MXRQ/s720/acubrown4.jpg

It could have been sold surplus or the original owner got out and had a garage sale and forgot to take the stuff off. Or, the guy just assembled all the pieces online in the hopes of getting a pass on whatever he chose to do, given the attitude toward the military there is.

merlynusn
11-08-2012, 05:03
A good example of its' use would be a Gunny yelling at a new Lance Corporal on an assault course: 'What's wrong with with you, Debbbil Dawg? Can't you push through faster?'

See this from almost five years ago: www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2008/04/marine_devildog_042708w/

'Gyrene' was once a popular term in the generation before my time, but not one Marine I knew in my generation warmed up to it.

How about jarhead? Can I still call you people that? :tongueout:

Bren
11-08-2012, 05:38
I bought a pair of acu pants online.
I had a prior service Airborne guy approach me on Bourbon St last St Patricks day. He was a initially irate thinking I was an Army poser but settled down after we discussed my prior service. Im a woodland and 7 color desert bdu soldier.
I havent worn the acu pants since.

That's pretty strange. I see people in ACU's all the time. Saw an Afghan in a full uniform with 10th Mountain patch in the middle of Kabul - nobody cared.

Bren
11-08-2012, 05:41
It could have been sold surplus or the original owner got out and had a garage sale and forgot to take the stuff off. Or, the guy just assembled all the pieces online in the hopes of getting a pass on whatever he chose to do, given the attitude toward the military there is.

I'd lean more toward a stolen shirt. The patches are complete, correct and correctly placed on the uniform (3rd ID is a little low, but typical). In the old days, with sew on patches, you could sometimes buy them that way, but with velcro patches, the stores sell them separately.

txleapd
11-08-2012, 11:34
Your son isn't yet in the Fleet. Fleet Marines for the past decade or so often consider it a derogatory term used by officers and SNCOs when trying to 'motivate' junior grade enlisted Marines.

More than a few young Marines coming back from the Fleet or the Sandboxes have told me that they loathe that term.

I disagree with them, but it isn't my Corps any more.

One of the younger officers at work was telling me about this. He said that the Commandant even sent out a message about the history of the term, and that it would stay a part of Marine tradition, but he also encouraged NCO's to be aware of how they used it when addressing their Marines.

I was also told that some other terms, like "gung ho", are no longer used, because young Marines don't know the meaning.

It definitely isn't our Corps anymore. I'm glad that I'm out now, or I might be court martialed for choking someone... Which has apparently become frowned upon.

blueiron
11-08-2012, 12:02
How about jarhead? Can I still call you people that? :tongueout:

You sure can!

Enjoy getting tuned up too! :nutcheck:

Cochese
11-08-2012, 13:33
Would Army CID give two ****s about a parolee running around pretending to be a Soldier?

Bren
11-08-2012, 13:53
Would Army CID give two ****s about a parolee running around pretending to be a Soldier?

Nope. In fact, with the "stolen valor" decision from the S.Ct., it's probably perfectly legal.

Cochese
11-08-2012, 13:57
Well, they are getting contacted anyway... at least to see if we have a burg we can stick to this clown and get the coat returned to the owner. :)

Dalton Wayne
11-08-2012, 14:02
I wear woodland BDU for hunting, the only two patches are the American flag on the right shoulder and a blood type patch over my left pocket,
Am I a poser????

Morris
11-08-2012, 14:15
Only if you claim to have taken down OBL with your SEAL squad . . . :)

old_pigpen
11-08-2012, 17:38
I'd lean more toward a stolen shirt. The patches are complete, correct and correctly placed on the uniform (3rd ID is a little low, but typical). In the old days, with sew on patches, you could sometimes buy them that way, but with velcro patches, the stores sell them separately.

FWIW, it may not be stolen. My wife and I go to the thrift stores, Salvation Army, etc, around here and most of the BDUs/ABUs/ACUs they are selling there still have the patches and nametapes on them.

USAF96815
11-09-2012, 02:48
Would Army CID give two ****s about a parolee running around pretending to be a Soldier?

OSI wouldn't. Unless he was using a fake ID card, was accessing post, was getting money from the US/State Gov, etc....

Other than that, we would just classify it as some idiot running around playing Army and thats that.

walkin' trails
11-10-2012, 11:04
Nope. In fact, with the "stolen valor" decision from the S.Ct., it's probably perfectly legal.

Way things are going, he might get another release so the prez can give him a medal.