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Mr981
11-07-2012, 20:36
So what lessons should the GOP learn from this election?
No more two white-guy tickets?
More sizzle than substance in a candidate needed?
Forget the facts, throw bombs?

According to the various news outlets, the new king on political battlefield is demographics--with Obama's Black/Latino/Young and single women voting block essentially ready to become more important than the white male/ senior vote groups.
Blacks will always vote for another black--unless he's a Republican.
Latinos--not so sure, but the immigration stance by the right seems to have put them in the Dems camp.
Women--who knows, but I'm surprised that a slick guy like Obama wouldn't have just been seen as that-a slick operator that came across like a bad memory.

Any logic to this?

If true, this doesn't bode well for the GOP; changing their view of the world and who can get elected as their standard bearer will be very difficult.

.264 magnum
11-07-2012, 20:44
From a tactical perspective and in retrospect Romney simply didn't respond quickly or forcefully enough to the barrage of Obama attack ads in the the swing states. Also he was way to nice/deferential during the second and third debates.

427
11-07-2012, 20:50
Republicans need to be as ruthless as the Dems.

cranejc
11-07-2012, 22:05
Shift the ideals of the party back to the Goldwater era.
Don't be afraid to alienate extremists and evangelicals.

Small government, stay out of my business, low taxes.

Shift center/soft right on social issues.
Hard right on fiscal and economic issues.

HollowHead
11-07-2012, 22:12
Shift the ideals of the party back to the Goldwater era.
Don't be afraid to alienate extremists and evangelicals.

Small government, stay out of my business, low taxes.

Shift center/soft right on social issues.
Hard right on fiscal and economic issues.

Agreed. Stick to economics. Obama won because of social issues and Romney lost because of social issues. HH

jame
11-07-2012, 22:28
Conservatives need to start a marketing campaign tomorrow about how, with hard work, dedication, focus, and a little luck, the American Dream can be theirs.

And that campaign needs to be focused on black and hispanic communities. They need to know that providing them with a friendly business economic model, they can pull themselves up far higher than they can be supported, and that with the self esteem and confidence gained from those successes can come power.

The kind of power that will allow them to hold higher political office, or get their kid into an Ivy League school.

They need to learn that the providence of the upper class can belong to them, and that they will be welcomed because of the success, talent, and abilities, and not because of some nonsensical minorities acceptance regulations.

They need to learn that the playing field is LEVEL.

And when every black or Latino man, woman, and child understands that the American Dream is REAL, conservatives will win again.

LASTRESORT20
11-07-2012, 22:40
Lets get real...`O` won with promises of "Treats & goods" to many of the mindless "uninformed" "dependent" masses....*we have all seen the video`s...most of them dont know whats going on in the news (critical stories leftist media suppresses them anyway) or in the world for that matter.....Between all the rules and regulations the dem`s put on "voting"....and the cheating..lieing....and the obama-phone racist voting on color...the fix was in........see what happens when the "treats" stop.....oh ya... they will stop...."Real" money has to come from somewhere...."Fake" money can only work for so long....:wavey:

marlinfan
11-07-2012, 22:47
Tell the fundamentalist Christians to pack their **** and go hang out with the Taliban and busy body petty social issues off the platform. Party of freedom? LOL!

HollowHead
11-07-2012, 22:52
Tell the fundamentalist Christians to pack their **** and go hang out with the Taliban and busy body petty social issues off the platform. Party of freedom? LOL!

This. It's amazing how those who champion "freedom" want it only for themselves. HH

CAcop
11-07-2012, 23:26
First 2014.

Then worry about 2016.

The full implementation of Obamacare in 2014 will have a decent sized impact on the midterms. That could very well turn everything upside down. Public employee and other unions may very well run to the GOP if they get loose their health benefits. Not to mention everbody else. If the GOP calls them scum then they may loose what would get them the WH back. Not to mention 4 years is a long time in politics. Remember where we were just 4 years ago. The stock market had not bottomed out yet and UE had not risen much. Also housing prices were falling, now they are rising, at least here.

Objective economists are predicting a 2017 full recovery. If they is no double dip before then, about 50/50, then we may see President Biden, or more likely, President Clinton II. Remember most people will sell their soul for a good paycheck.

MrGlock21
11-07-2012, 23:59
From a tactical perspective and in retrospect Romney simply didn't respond quickly or forcefully enough to the barrage of Obama attack ads in the the swing states. Also he was way to nice/deferential during the second and third debates.

True.
There is a certain irony that Romney in his ads was pretty nasty when pushing back Santorum and Gingrich etc but rather nice in the debates with Obama.

I guess thats the price to pay when sucking up to independents.

MrGlock21
11-08-2012, 00:08
Republicans need to be as ruthless as the Dems.

Trouble is, it is not a matter of ruthlessness. It is a matter of deception.

The Dems are champions in deceiving others. They certainly don't have the monopoly on deception but they are the best in that field.

The Machinist
11-08-2012, 05:08
The only lesson that the GOP learned, is that they didn't prop up a big enough liberal. In 2016, the candidate will make losers like McCain and Romney look like Reagan, and all the GOP loyalists will vote for whatever empty suit is running (even if it was Hillary Clinton), while braying about that election being the most important one of our lifetimes.