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reflex264
11-08-2012, 07:48
Well as of last night she is officialy a .460 Rowland.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e328/reflex264/guns/460Rowland.jpg
Mods to the gun include the whole trigger group replaced, .460 Rowland conversion, Dawson sights, beavertail and grip sleeve, titanium plunger, polish mating surfaces, extra power magazine springs, extended slide release, siderlockt trigger and more junk that I can't think of right this second. Will shoot it with the Rowland kit saturday.
As a super it shot 1" groups at 25 yards. That is 10 shot 1" groups using 185 Noslers at 1250fps. Now it will launch that same bullet over 1500fps. reflex264

2ndamd
11-21-2012, 08:03
Very very nice!
I now want one.
I have been thinking of getting a new gen4 and making my current g21 a fun gun. This is looking like just the thing.

21Glock
11-21-2012, 09:34
Well as of last night she is officialy a .460 Rowland.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e328/reflex264/guns/460Rowland.jpg
Mods to the gun include the whole trigger group replaced, .460 Rowland conversion, Dawson sights, beavertail and grip sleeve, titanium plunger, polish mating surfaces, extra power magazine springs, extended slide release, siderlockt trigger and more junk that I can't think of right this second. Will shoot it with the Rowland kit saturday.
As a super it shot 1" groups at 25 yards. That is 10 shot 1" groups using 185 Noslers at 1250fps. Now it will launch that same bullet over 1500fps. reflex264

How does she shoot for you? I'm thinking of doing the same with my Gen 3 21. There is a new video on YouTube, just type in Glock 21 in 460 Rowland. Mr. Redbull is guy who puts his converted 21 through it's paces with various ammo selections.
Amazing how effective the comp is on his gun. I have shot .45 Supers through my modified 21SF( 6"LW barrel, 22lb. rsa) This looks like a good bit more power and maybe more controllable with the comp installed.

reflex264
12-05-2012, 07:34
Alright back with more info. The gun went through a break in of sorts with the Rowland kit but after about 100 shots it started driving tacks and functions as good as they said it would. I have been doing load work ups and will ahve a complete report after deer season but I can tell you for the moment that the 225gr and 265gr WFN beartooths sized .451" are shooting as good or better than any auto pistol I have ever shot. I have started working with the 240gr Sierra JHC as well. It looks very promising.

The comp works as advertised. You can rapid fire a 3" group at 15 to 20 yards with it just watching the front sight. Recoil is less than my super was.

While my super functioned fine with one extra power mag spring the Rowland requires two as some of you gents have already done. reflex264

brisk21
12-05-2012, 21:00
Sweet. .460 Rowland makes a lot of sense to convert your .45 to for hunting or animal defense. Slide lock trigger safety though? That doesn't make any sense to me. No offense.....

reflex264
12-06-2012, 09:13
If I had left the trigger at a stock 5.5lbs the trigger wouldn't be an issue. I have it very light now and it adds a considerable margin of safety when drawing the gun while setting in a tree stand. Without lightening the trigger the .5" to .75" groups at 25 yards wouldn't be possible. reflex264

21Glock
12-07-2012, 14:03
Alright back with more info. The gun went through a break in of sorts with the Rowland kit but after about 100 shots it started driving tacks and functions as good as they said it would. I have been doing load work ups and will ahve a complete report after deer season but I can tell you for the moment that the 225gr and 265gr WFN beartooths sized .451" are shooting as good or better than any auto pistol I have ever shot. I have started working with the 240gr Sierra JHC as well. It looks very promising.

The comp works as advertised. You can rapid fire a 3" group at 15 to 20 yards with it just watching the front sight. Recoil is less than my super was.

While my super functioned fine with one extra power mag spring the Rowland requires two as some of you gents have already done. reflex264


Any problems feeding with Sierra or the Beartooth bullets?
If not, I may pick some Sierra or Hornady .45 240gr. slugs at the gun show here in the ATL area tomorrow for my .460 to shoot soon.

reflex264
12-07-2012, 15:19
The beartooth and sierra function perfectly in mine. The 240 sierra looks like it is going to be good. reflex264

21Glock
12-07-2012, 15:38
The beartooth and sierra function perfectly in mine. The 240 sierra looks like it is going to be good. reflex264


Good, I'll look for some 240gr. Sierra or 240gr. XTPs tomorrow at the Gun Show.
The Hornady Leverlution Soft Pointed 225gr. bullet might be good choice as well. Looks like it may feed good, since the point might be flexible enough to go up the feed ramp without jamming.

token5gtd
12-07-2012, 15:51
That trigger is a no-no...

There was a now removed video on youtube of a guy that installed the siderlock on a G27. Caused his to randomly shoot bursts or go uncontrollably full auto.

There are PLENTY of other ways to improve the glock trigger without that dangerous piece of engineering.

reflex264
12-07-2012, 16:07
Not sure what that guy did or if he even used the set up like I did but mine has been shot thousands of times without a hitch. The only purpose of the siderlockt is to keep from pulling the trigger when I don't want too. once it is snapped off there is no difference in the way it functions vs. a un modified gun.

I used the lone wolf housing with adjustable stop, 6# trigger spring, titanium plunger, new connector and some polishing. My trigger is now a two stage that breaks pretty clean at 2.5lbs.

If the gent on the video put a fulcrum set up in his I can see problems but mine engages and charges the striker exactly like the stock one except with half the effort and without all the over travel. reflex264

21Glock
12-16-2012, 21:46
Just took my Gen 3 G21 converted to .460 out on Sat. for some shooting tests. With 12gr. (MAX.load) Longshot behind a 230 XTP got an avg. of 1345 fps. 11gr. of Longshot was 1305fps.
Fed my homegrown hardcast hardball .45 ACP loads without a hitch. I really like the way the gun handles recoil with the comp. .460 loads controllable, .45 ACP loads are like shooting very light target loads.
Glad I made the decision to go .460 on my G21. I now have 3 guns in one. .45ACP, .45 Super, and .460 Rowland.
Really like the options this offers.

reflex264
12-18-2012, 07:12
Good to hear. MIne went through a break in period then started driving tacks. reflex264

21Glock
12-18-2012, 19:29
I haven't done any accuracy tests yet. That will be next. I'm looking forward to using heavier bullets and heavier constructed bullets that I'll drive to 1200-1300fps to really be a game getter.
A hardcast LEE homegrown TC 230gr. properly lubed up on my RCBS Lubematic should be a good penetrating slug as well.

reflex264
12-21-2012, 12:21
I am going to try some of the 255 lee rfn bullets sized .451 in a week or two. reflex264

reflex264
12-26-2012, 08:55
I let several shooters including some newbees shoot it Saturday. even a 14 year girl that has never shot a handgun did pretty good with it. Now that all is working like it is supposed to the gun kicks like a .380. It is very easy to control and everyone just pics it up and shoots it good. I showed it to a deputy and he wants to modify his 21 now. Very worth while project. Another gent that has seen it want the sights done on his and the trigger work. All in all a great gun.

21Glock
12-27-2012, 10:34
I let several shooters including some newbees shoot it Saturday. even a 14 year girl that has never shot a handgun did pretty good with it. Now that all is working like it is supposed to the gun kicks like a .380. It is very easy to control and everyone just pics it up and shoots it good. I showed it to a deputy and he wants to modify his 21 now. Very worth while project. Another gent that has seen it want the sights done on his and the trigger work. All in all a great gun.

Great! I'm taking my .460 hunting to the woods tomorrow. I found a place in Ala. that makes gas checks for 10mm and .45 ACP dia. bullets. Just ordered some. Sage Outdoors is the name of it.
Now, I can drive my homegrown hardcast bullets alot higher fps, this will come in handy with my .460 cast rounds.

picketpin
12-27-2012, 18:28
Thanks Reflex264 and 21Glock for your informative posts. Looking forward to ordering the kit for my G21, and shooting my converted G30 more.

james

21Glock
12-30-2012, 16:31
Shot my G21 with the .460 Rowland conversion again today. Also, ran my .45 ACP and .45 Super handloads, all shot flawlessly with no hiccups at all.
Accuracy was superb. Off hand shooting a gal. milk jug at 20-40 yds. Not one round missed in over 50 shots made with a combination of ammo. This was one of the best decisions I've ever made as far as adding another caliber to my options in shooting the great Glock G21. 3 guns in one.
I highly recommend it!

reflex264
01-03-2013, 07:42
I have been working with the 240gr Sierra JHC. It looks like it will be a great deer bullet in the gun. Using Long Shot 1300fps is in reach. Probably going to back it down around 1200fps though. More later. reflex264

reflex264
01-10-2013, 07:27
Here is a group with the 225gr Beartooth.Of course I adjusted the sights...........
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/460_rowand_group.jpg

Joshhtn
01-10-2013, 07:33
VERY nice!!! Congrats!!

reflex264
01-10-2013, 09:32
Thanks. It couldn't have turned out better. It did surprise me that it met their accuracy claims. The 265gr are not that good yet but close. reflex264

21Glock
01-13-2013, 08:15
Thanks. It couldn't have turned out better. It did surprise me that it met their accuracy claims. The 265gr are not that good yet but close. reflex264

Great! I've got some aluminum gas checks in .452 dia. from James Sage at Sage Outdoors. I have some of my LEE 230gr. TC cast loads put together in .460 with these gas checks on them and will be trying them out soon.
They should do well. I also got some in .40 cal. for my 10mm loads.
I'm trying conserve my XTP bullets as much as I can during these insane times of runs on anything with ammo or components.

reflex264
01-14-2013, 09:13
I am going to cast some more of the 255gr Lee RFP and size them to .451". It will be a couple of months but when I do I will post the Rowland results with them. reflex264

MagTen
03-23-2013, 06:55
Good, I'll look for some 240gr. Sierra or 240gr. XTPs tomorrow at the Gun Show.
The Hornady Leverlution Soft Pointed 225gr. bullet might be good choice as well. Looks like it may feed good, since the point might be flexible enough to go up the feed ramp without jamming.

My test experience with Hornady 225grainers don't test very well as far as expansion. Look at my photos of spent bullets in my Grizzly WinMag. http://grizzlywinmag.com/ ...

MagTen
03-23-2013, 06:58
For you reloaders of the Rowland take a look at my Grizzly WinMag page and the bullets I test with it. http://grizzlywinmag.com/

The Rowland will be fairly close to velocity and will give you an idea of what bullets will work best in the Rowland.

reflex264
03-27-2013, 06:40
Thanks Mag Ten. Great pics and info. Do you have any accuracy stand outs? What velocity did you get with the bushmaster 250gr? Thanks. reflex264

MagTen
03-27-2013, 07:02
Thanks Mag Ten. Great pics and info. Do you have any accuracy stand outs? What velocity did you get with the bushmaster 250gr? Thanks. reflex264

Best I can remember about 1350fps. It's mushroom was much better than the 225gr.. I could never get the 225 grainer to open up.

reflex264
06-06-2013, 08:00
Shot it yesterday at 25 yards offhand. 4 shots, 3 touching and 1 flyer made it 1.25" with the Beartooth 265gr..... I like it!

picketpin
06-06-2013, 10:00
"Shot it yesterday at 25 yards offhand. 4 shots, 3 touching and 1 flyer made it 1.25" with the Beartooth 265gr..... I like it! "

Thanks for the update Reflex, Do you have some details on that load. I had my Rowland conversion out to the range yesterday. I have been trying Dardas cast .452 255 gr. SWC's, I run them over CCI's, and 13.0 gr of AA #7. seated at 1.235", They chrono 1140 fps. I had some loaded up a little warmer but the accuracy wasn't there. Even with a double sprung mag there was a tendency for the cartridges to nosedive and bump the front of the magazine with the step in the SWC and it finally broke the steel reinforcement out of the mag. My thought it that under all that recoil there is too much mass(full mag, bunch of 255 grain bullets lots of recoil) moving around (Down) for the mag spring to over come. The 13 gr loads seemed to be right at the edge of everything working trouble free..
james

reflex264
06-07-2013, 15:38
Here are loaded rounds I am testing. More to come........
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/460Rowland.jpg

reflex264
06-10-2013, 07:22
Just chronied the new 460 Rowland loads.
All of these are still off of max.


The 265grs went 1108 with a ES of 9fps.
The 200XTP went 1434 with a ES of 6fps.
The 250XTP went 1138 with a ES of 4fps.
The 185TAC went 1128 with a ES of 2fps.
Now to bump up the 265grs.

MagTen
08-04-2013, 06:55
Got my email confirmation last week after 3 month order backorder. Should see my conversion in 3-5 weeks.

happie2shoot
08-09-2013, 06:29
Thanks for all the information guys I am doing one on a g30

MagTen
08-14-2013, 17:29
http://www.rowancounty.info/grizzlywinmag/460rowland/460rowland.jpg



http://www.rowancounty.info/grizzlywinmag/460rowland/460rowland2.jpg



http://www.rowancounty.info/grizzlywinmag/460rowland/460rowland3.jpg



http://www.rowancounty.info/grizzlywinmag/460rowland/460rowland4.jpg

AngelDeville
08-14-2013, 18:00
Nice MagTen, I'm thinking of going with the ported barrel instead of the comp when I build one.

Roger G23
08-29-2013, 21:42
Just took my Gen 3 G21 converted to .460 out on Sat. for some shooting tests. With 12gr. (MAX.load) Longshot behind a 230 XTP got an avg. of 1345 fps. 11gr. of Longshot was 1305fps.
Fed my homegrown hardcast hardball .45 ACP loads without a hitch. I really like the way the gun handles recoil with the comp. .460 loads controllable, .45 ACP loads are like shooting very light target loads.
Glad I made the decision to go .460 on my G21. I now have 3 guns in one. .45ACP, .45 Super, and .460 Rowland.
Really like the options this offers.
Someone was kind enough to let me know about this. Perhaps you should know it too:
Roger- you can shoot regular dimension .45 in a Roland barrel; doesn't mean you should. The ACP and Super case are shorter which means they won't headspace on the case mouth in a Rowland barrel but rather relies on the extractor to maintain headspace. Reliability can suffer and more importantly bullet jump can cause excessive leading which can elevate pressures which can cause kaboom. If you are going to shoot the shorter cases in your Rowland barrel I highly recommend you keep it to ACP pressure levels with jacket bullets. Lead hard cast at Super levels could cause problems. It's probably not as risky as shooting .40 in a 10mm barrel (much higher pressure round with worse setback problems) but it's still not ideal.

wpierce
08-30-2013, 04:55
Thanks for all the information guys I am doing one on a g30

http://i.imgur.com/r84C3Lu.jpg

The G30 looks so sweet. This is mine.

happie2shoot
08-30-2013, 19:03
http://i.imgur.com/r84C3Lu.jpg

The G30 looks so sweet. This is mine.

I have two of them and have LW 45acp and 460row. for them,
still need to get a 22# rsa to shoot the best loads.

wpierce
08-30-2013, 20:56
I have two of them and have LW 45acp and 460row. for them,
still need to get a 22# rsa to shoot the best loads.

What's an rsa? Spring and guide rod?

Roger G23
08-30-2013, 21:08
What's an rsa? Spring and guide rod?
Yes. Both. RSA=Recoil Spring Assembly

picketpin
08-31-2013, 11:50
http://i.imgur.com/r84C3Lu.jpg

The G30 looks so sweet. This is mine.

Looks good Will!! Let us know how it shoots. That barrel shot 230XTP's with 10 gr. of Longshot, cci 300 primers, in starline brass in my G30 right at 1160 fps. That was not a max load, quite a handfull, and really accurate!

James

James

wpierce
08-31-2013, 14:52
Looks good Will!! Let us know how it shoots. That barrel shot 230XTP's with 10 gr. of Longshot, cci 300 primers, in starline brass in my G30 right at 1160 fps. That was not a max load, quite a handfull, and really accurate!

James

James

Thanks! I will. Range day is tomorrow. I will be shooting 185gr Underwood through it.

wpierce
09-01-2013, 15:46
Oh my god. It's amazing. The kick isn't too bad, it really is a push with hardly any muzzle flip. I have a red spot on my palm from shooting. I put 40 rounds through it with zero issues at all. Single mag springs yielded no issues with 460 rounds.

Shooting 45 acp through it was a different story. Every other round was failure to feed. I should have brought my standard spring/guide rod to put in for 45.

vaquero aleman
09-01-2013, 16:00
Someone was kind enough to let me know about this. Perhaps you should know it too:
Roger- you can shoot regular dimension .45 in a Roland barrel; doesn't mean you should. The ACP and Super case are shorter which means they won't headspace on the case mouth in a Rowland barrel but rather relies on the extractor to maintain headspace. Reliability can suffer and more importantly bullet jump can cause excessive leading which can elevate pressures which can cause kaboom. If you are going to shoot the shorter cases in your Rowland barrel I highly recommend you keep it to ACP pressure levels with jacket bullets. Lead hard cast at Super levels could cause problems. It's probably not as risky as shooting .40 in a 10mm barrel (much higher pressure round with worse setback problems) but it's still not ideal.

Maybe someone can get 460rowland.com to explain why they say its perfectly ok to shoot 45 and 45 Super through their conversion barrel.

And, am I reading this wrong or does this statement mean that the 460 Rowland relies on the extractor to hold the cartridge in place? I know that 20 to 40 thousandths of an inch isn't much but it is still a gap.

From their website:

"We would NEVER (!) re-chamber a Glock barrel, but would recommend a properly heat treated aftermarket barrel with .020 to .040 freebore just before the rifling starts to lower initial pressures."
—Johnny Rowland

Roger G23
09-01-2013, 16:09
Maybe someone can get 460rowland.com to explain why they say its perfectly ok to shoot 45 and 45 Super through their conversion barrel.
Yeah. And may be someone can get 460 Rowland to at least have the common courtesy of replying to customer emails and phone calls.
Good luck. Don't think it's going to happen.
No thanks. I don't want any part of it.
I don't get a warm and comfy feeling at all.

Roger G23
09-01-2013, 16:12
Oh my god. It's amazing. The kick isn't too bad, it really is a push with hardly any muzzle flip. I have a red spot on my palm from shooting. I put 40 rounds through it with zero issues at all. Single mag springs yielded no issues with 460 rounds.

Shooting 45 acp through it was a different story. Every other round was failure to feed. I should have brought my standard spring/guide rod to put in for 45.
Was it with a single FACTORY mag. spring or an EXTRA POWER mag. spring?

vaquero aleman
09-01-2013, 16:35
I did my own work:

http://i1163.photobucket.com/albums/q547/vaqueroaleman/Glock%2029SF/4bc5f1c8-0f7e-4a24-9fc0-3ec86c331d25_zpsac4767cc.jpg (http://s1163.photobucket.com/user/vaqueroaleman/media/Glock%2029SF/4bc5f1c8-0f7e-4a24-9fc0-3ec86c331d25_zpsac4767cc.jpg.html)

vaquero aleman
09-12-2013, 20:17
I finally got some tungsten RSAs on the way, a 21 and a 23 #, so I can test out my rig with the GA Arms 230 grain GDHP @ 1300 fps and the Underwood 185 grain GDHP @ 1500+ fps on my G2930. It's gonna be a hoot!

MagTen
09-13-2013, 06:02
I have now had a chance to shoot my Glock 21 460 now and I love it. It has been on my side a bunch and trouncing thru the NC mtns. in hog/bear country.:wow: Will be hog hunting next week.:wow:

M1A Shooter
09-29-2013, 20:23
anyone run a 460 with a Carver comp or LWD comp?

jetttstream
10-05-2013, 07:05
anyone run a 460 with a Carver comp or LWD comp?

I'm using the Carver 45acp comp and I love it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xrqrn73subv10pv/2013-10-02%2018.37.25.mp4

2 shots 45 super, 2 shots 460R 185 underwood.

jetttstream
10-06-2013, 19:52
Another pic

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-owNR93-s_oY/UlILKUy8lqI/AAAAAAAAAiY/nXq_F7u9dBo/w930-h462-no/20131006_162913-1.jpg

SDGlock23
10-07-2013, 08:34
Good to see someone using that Carver comp, I had wondered about that. I have a custom one being made for my .45 Super that will look very similar.

reflex264
10-16-2013, 09:04
Here it is with its new leather by Brad Stewart...

http://www.hunt101.com/data/549/medium/holster14.jpg

Wreck-n-Crew
02-04-2014, 17:12
"Fed my homegrown hardcast hardball .45 ACP loads without a hitch."


How was the leading? What hardness was your lead mix? I reload but I don't cast and am curios about using lead at these velocities for a 460 conversion I am considering.

Roger G23
02-11-2014, 21:57
I've decided to go with 45 Super instead.

Gonzo10mm
03-03-2014, 01:37
OK, I finally got to the range with my G21 460 Rowland conversion. I loaded up some .45 Auto brass to do some break-in and test comparisons. The conversion performed flawlessly through three magazines until the last round and then the Magazine and magazine latch fell out of the gun when the slide locked back. Done for the day.

I started with 10 rounds of soft lead 45 LRN that I have used quite a bit for plinking before the conversion. For these I hand loaded 10 gr Long Shot for the break-in loads. The recoil was much harder than I expected. I compared the recoil to my Glock 29 with a 4.6" barrel (155gr HP Underwood -heavy recoil), which I consider to be about the same recoils as my 6.5" 44mag with factory ammo. The Rowland at the starting load with the comp had noticeably harder recoil.

I shot a 10 round mag of stout loaded 185gr Hornady XTPs at 13.2 gr of Long Shot. Followed by a 10 round mag of 230 gr Hornady XTPs at 11.4 gr of Long Shot. I was concentrating on holding the pistol "very tight" to keep the trigger guard and magazine release from beating up my middle finger. The recoil on this thing is brutal. I kept thinking that the comp was not working. But later I was thinking that it is forcing the gun to recoil too horizontal and that I am used to more muzzle flip.

What I learned: First, I'm a wus. Second holding the gun too tightly just bruises my palm. Ambidextrous magazine relases may not be a good idea for the 460 Rowland in a G21. lastly, 45 ACP brass looked great even for the near max loadings.

Next thing to do, Give up my Man Card and load some .45 ACP in +P and see if I can learn how to manage the compensated recoil.

SuperQ6
04-11-2014, 19:46
I'm new to the forum, and I'm hoping someone can give me some info. I ordered a Glock 21 Gen 4 conversion from
460 Rowland. Though the web site claim they
do not charge until your item is shipped, my card was charged and the tracking information they promised is nowhere to be found. Is this normal for these folks?

vaquero aleman
05-01-2014, 08:38
They are not famous for customer service, that is for sure.

vaquero aleman
05-01-2014, 08:45
I've decided to go with 45 Super instead.

.460 Rowland, in my opinion, seems to be too unforgiving on the gun (available platforms). I have decided that 45 Super is quite adequate for my 45 caliber needs. It pretty much duplicates 10mm performance with a larger circumference, meaning=more bleeding.

reflex264
05-19-2014, 17:30
Well I have been running the Rowland for over a year now. I am happy to report that it is still working perfectly. The gun isn't beat up and still shoots great. I am thinking about replacing the recoil spring. It just feels a bit weeker than it used to but is still functioning just fine. I am trying to narrow down my loads and it looks like the 240gr Hornady MAG and the 265gr Beartooth are probably going to win out. My thinking is as long as the comp your using keeps the action delayed properly the guns will hold up just fine. The 240gr Hornady is going 1222fps and is expanding just enough to cause good wound channels in game. It is very accurate and feeds great. reflex264

Gonzo10mm
05-19-2014, 18:33
FYI...

Starline has 460 Rowland Brass again. I don't know how much, but I just got two backordered shipments in.

Gonzo