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.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 13:52
The good:
3 yr contract at silly money working 3 mos on and one off with lots of trips to London, Paris, NYC and Dallas during the on times. I'd staff an office, get it rolling and get out. I know this "sector" as well as anyone alive. My technical guy has already agreed to a deal much longer than mine that's a good thing.

Reconnecting with a ME oil type who is a good guy to know and a guy who one will only disappoint once. If I decline he will not take my calls in the future.

Ancillary - one of my best friends, totally different infustry, just accepted a job not 1,000 feet from the office I would labor in.

Diver, shopper, cleaning, housing etch are bundled so to speak.

The bad:
Son will be in med school, daughter will be in college playing her sport. My mom is old and sick and my wife and I have hit a cool spell. A couple years away might end our marriage - probably not but maybe.

Potential boss has all of the vices you might expect.

There will be lawsuits if I do this. I have paid for legal opinion indicating I'd win but still.



I'm going to do it assuming nothing lurks in the weeds. What's the take on Abu Dhabi? I get the no porn, booze restrictions and monitored internet - anything else?

hamster
11-08-2012, 13:57
The good:
3 yr contract at silly money working 3 mos on and one off with lots of trips to London, Paris, NYC and Dallas during the on times. I'd staff an office, get it rolling and get out. I know this "sector" as well as anyone alive. My technical guy has already agreed to a deal much longer than mine that's a good thing.

Reconnecting with a ME oil type who is a good guy to know and a guy who one will only disappoint once. If I decline he will not take my calls in the future.

Ancillary - one of my best friends, totally different infustry, just accepted a job not 1,000 feet from the office I would labor in.

Diver, shopper, cleaning, housing etch are bundled so to speak.

The bad:
Son will be in med school, daughter will be in college playing her sport. My mom is old and sick and my wife and I have hit a cool spell. A couple years away might end our marriage - probably not but maybe.

Potential boss has all of the vices you might expect.

There will be lawsuits if I do this. I have paid for legal opinion indicating I'd win but still.



I'm going to do it assuming nothing lurks in the weeds. What's the take on Abu Dhabi? I get the no porn, booze restrictions and monitored internet - anything else?

GO. By all means. I think it is a fantastic opportunity. Either Abu Dhabi or Dubai, I'd say yes in a heartbeat.

Also, I can tell you one thing. I work for a consulting firm where everyone travels 80-100%. Nobody is divorced. Absence can be very good for a marriage. :)

PS. Visit Caracal while there.

PPS. Prepare for an onslaught of posts from every idiot who has never left their home county telling you how terrible your life will be in a muslim country.

Glock30Eric
11-08-2012, 14:04
Go for it and sell the America's bacons over there. You'll be Trillionaire in a minute!! ;)

certifiedfunds
11-08-2012, 14:14
Also, I can tell you one thing. I work for a consulting firm where everyone travels 80-100%. Nobody is divorced. Absence can be very good for a marriage. :)



Can't serve you if they can't find you huh ham? :supergrin:

.264 good luck whichever way you go. It sounds like you are at a major pivot point in your life with a lot of interesting roads ahead.

Atlas
11-08-2012, 14:26
Can you share with us the nature of the work/position?

redbaron007
11-08-2012, 14:33
Interesting opportunity.

The being away from the chitlins would be tough, but not impossible to handle. A cooling of an already cooled marriage doesn't sound like a recipe for recovery. That's the hard part to factor, not being in your shoes and knowing the details. Overall, it seems like a grand opportunity.....the marriage issue would be MY looming concern. If you think it would survive...then I guess it is a no brainer.

:wavey:

red

.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 14:40
Can you share with us the nature of the work/position?

I'll send you a pm later.

Vaguely, it's quant. finance/International Fisher Effect/theoretical BTU per volume vs. price vs. ship times LOL!

It's got to do with BTU value out of the ground vs. projected final sales price down the line.

Ragnar
11-08-2012, 14:41
What's the take on Abu Dhabi? I get the no porn, booze restrictions and monitored internet - anything else?

There is porn and booze. When you get there you will get the hookup. Allah can't see inside the villas.

.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 14:42
Go for it and sell the America's bacons over there. You'll be Trillionaire in a minute!! ;)

I think pork is permissible in the UAE.

fnfalman
11-08-2012, 14:45
I'd say that you should go and then find yourself a Filipina sleeping dictionary over there, if ya know what I mean.

Atlas
11-08-2012, 14:48
... a Filipina sleeping dictionary..

:dunno:

tslex
11-08-2012, 14:55
Go.

Managed the right way, this kind of posting can be a means to accumulate some real wealth, if you leverage all the opportunites, various aspects of your comp, tax advantages, etc.

Negotiate for enough business class round trips home for furlough (if that's not part of the package already).

costanza187
11-08-2012, 15:06
Sounds like a great opportunity if you are sure it is safe.

okie
11-08-2012, 15:26
I think you should go for my my friend:wavey:

Flying-Dutchman
11-08-2012, 15:48
Life is not a dress rehearsal; go for it then post some pictures of the area.

I like the raw unedited real world stories.

fnfalman
11-08-2012, 15:55
:dunno:

Lots of Filipino women work in the Middle-East. They tend to get abused by the Arabs, so I figured the OP could treat one like a human being and in return she'd teach him Tagalog, hence the "sleeping dictionary" moniker.

norm357
11-08-2012, 15:57
You area fool if you don't go!

certifiedfunds
11-08-2012, 16:00
I'll send you a pm later.

Vaguely, it's quant. finance/International Fisher Effect/theoretical BTU per volume vs. price vs. ship times LOL!

It's got to do with BTU value out of the ground vs. projected final sales price down the line.

You'll want to brush up on both algebra I and algebra II my friend

Arc Angel
11-08-2012, 16:10
I've got a question: Why do you think they're paying you so much money? Is it, sort 'a like, combat pay? If I were in your position, I'd divorce my, 'lukewarm' wife; forget about the kids in school; (They won't be thinking too much about you, right now, anyway.) and be sure to convert to Al-Islam before leaving. While I was in-country I'd appear to be a very good Muslim, too.

(The other guy doesn't know which god you're praying to while you're down there on the rug; AND, you can always cash out and convert back after you return home.)

As for your invalid mother? You'll be better able to afford her illness if you're well-funded; and, besides, you aren't going to be able to do that much for her if you stay at home, anyway.

While I'm a great believer in being loyal to the people who are loyal to you, never forget that, 'Sentiment costs money.' Quite frankly, from your comments, I don't see a lot of sentiment in your life, right now. My recommendation? Go ahead and do something different and interesting with yourself.

It sounds like this might be the perfect time for a change in your life. Your lawyer can take care of your other PRESUMED work obligations. (Already been there, and done that. Better than 90% of the time your current employer will be forced to completely cut you loose - It ain't no big deal.)

Good luck, and remember to be careful with that, 'other culture'. You don't want what happened to a nice guy like Nick Berg to happen to you. ;)

airmotive
11-08-2012, 16:13
If you see CJ there, tell him we miss him.

Atlas
11-08-2012, 16:17
If you see CJ there, tell him we miss him.

Ditto.

DanaT
11-08-2012, 16:22
264.

There are some downsides to it. But the money is good. This is very similar situation to what I have been doing.

What you dot realize is that you are an outsider. You are not planting roots and that makes it difficult. Also, something no to be underestimated. Not knowing the language makes it very tiring you. You hear a lot of noise all day and you dont always totally know what is going on. You are very dependent on people who speak english to you and take care of things for you.

This was my experience in the French part of Switzerland. Germany is not an issue as I speak German. But still you are an outsider.

The rest (money, time off, etc) you can calculate. But maybe you speak arabic?

Chuck TX
11-08-2012, 16:41
Sounds like a great opportunity.

.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 16:43
You'll want to brush up on both algebra I and algebra II my friend

I have MS degrees in Econ and Math. Whatever Ag I&II I need I will brush up on on the plane! Joking aside my technical guy does the nuts and bolts analysis pulling reports from various number crunchers. I do the selling, in this case recruiting, and backslapping and pay the technical guy's bills because he will forget. It really is that kind-of thing.

SiberianErik
11-08-2012, 16:45
They will hate you there, also don't run out of $$$ or lose your job or have a falling out w/ a native.

You employer is tied into your passport and your bank acct. There are many ex-pats living in the Range Rovers in parking lots on the edge of the desert due to they have debts that they incurred while working there. As soon you lose your job, you better have $$$ to GTFO ASAP

.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 16:55
I've got a question: Why do you think they're paying you so much money? Is it, sort 'a like, combat pay? If I were in your position, I'd divorce my, 'lukewarm' wife; forget about the kids in school; (They won't be thinking too much about you, right now, anyway.) and be sure to convert to Al-Islam before leaving. While I was in-country I'd appear to be a very good Muslim, too.

(The other guy doesn't know which god you're praying to while you're down there on the rug; AND, you can always cash out and convert back after you return home.)

As for your invalid mother? You'll be better able to afford her illness if you're well-funded; and, besides, you aren't going to be able to do that much for her if you stay at home, anyway.

While I'm a great believer in being loyal to the people who are loyal to you, never forget that, 'Sentiment costs money.' Quite frankly, from your comments, I don't see a lot of sentiment in your life, right now. My recommendation? Go ahead and do something different and interesting with yourself.

It sounds like this might be the perfect time for a change in your life. Your lawyer can take care of your other PRESUMED work obligations. (Already been there, and done that. Better than 90% of the time your current employer will be forced to completely cut you loose - It ain't no big deal.)

Good luck, and remember to be careful with that, 'other culture'. You don't want what happened to a nice guy like Nick Berg to happen to you. ;)

That's a sensational set of questions.

1. I own the company I work for now. That makes for an easy exit. I might fire myself tomorrow.

2. My technical guy + me saved/made our prospective employer very significant amounts of money in the past.

3. Publicly, our prospective employer has tried to convert me in the past. Privately, he could care less - I think. I'd bet a nickel he has PD types pulling these posts right now BTW. Translated these folks are exquisitely smart, well educated and wired in.

4. Abu Dhabi per se is very safe, I'd call it 50/100x safer than Mexico City for Americans. Plus I know how to look like a Londoner over a Dallasite if that makes any sense.

certifiedfunds
11-08-2012, 16:57
I have MS degrees in Econ and Math. Whatever Ag I&II I need I will brush up on on the plane! Joking aside my technical guy does the nuts and bolts analysis pulling reports from various number crunchers. I do the selling, in this case recruiting, and backslapping and pay the technical guy's bills because he will forget. It really is that kind-of thing.

I'm KIDDING

.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 16:58
Go.

Managed the right way, this kind of posting can be a means to accumulate some real wealth, if you leverage all the opportunites, various aspects of your comp, tax advantages, etc.

Negotiate for enough business class round trips home for furlough (if that's not part of the package already).

Good call. There is more or less a semi-continuous private jet service from various points in the ME to Houston 2/3/4x per week every week. I can get from Houston to Dallas easily.

Atlas
11-08-2012, 16:59
... I'd call it 50/100x safer than Mexico City for Americans...

Uhhh..

.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 17:02
Ditto.

Is he in The UAE?

.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 17:07
264.

There are some downsides to it. But the money is good. This is very similar situation to what I have been doing.

What you dot realize is that you are an outsider. You are not planting roots and that makes it difficult. Also, something no to be underestimated. Not knowing the language makes it very tiring you. You hear a lot of noise all day and you dont always totally know what is going on. You are very dependent on people who speak english to you and take care of things for you.

This was my experience in the French part of Switzerland. Germany is not an issue as I speak German. But still you are an outsider.

The rest (money, time off, etc) you can calculate. But maybe you speak arabic?

I've been there 4x in the past. I recognize I'd be an outsider. My job would be, in the main, to recruit westerners to work for the company in The UAE, London or maybe Brussels. The job comes with a multilingual driver and admin. Apparently, it's a one minute walk from "the" apartment to "the" office.

.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 17:13
They will hate you there, also don't run out of $$$ or lose your job or have a falling out w/ a native.

You employer is tied into your passport and your bank acct. There are many ex-pats living in the Range Rovers in parking lots on the edge of the desert due to they have debts that they incurred while working there. As soon you lose your job, you better have $$$ to GTFO ASAP

I've heard stories like this. I have money now. You are right that ones employer, so to speak, sponsors the employee in many ways. I'm not worried about any of that - I can fly non-skid from Abu Dhabi to DFW commercial.

GeorgiaGlocker
11-08-2012, 17:13
There is porn and booze. When you get there you will get the hookup. Allah can't see inside the villas.

But if you do get caught, they cut things off over there.

.264 magnum
11-08-2012, 17:14
Uhhh..

I go to The Federal District 3/4x per year. It's all abut situational awareness.

GlocknSpiehl
11-08-2012, 18:46
You will only be a short hop from Dubai, and my wife has gone there on business any times. It is extremely safe and there are bars/restaurants that cater to Westeners and serve alcohol, etc. Still, if you bring a Bible, make it electronic.

MadMonkey
11-08-2012, 19:08
I'm more comfortable in Afghanistan than the UAE :rofl:

Never been there for an extended period though, so whatever floats your boat. Ramadan sucks.

GVFlyer
11-08-2012, 19:10
I can't respond to the personal issues in your decision matrix, but I've had nothing but positive experiences in Abu Dhabi.

janice6
11-08-2012, 19:21
Sounds like an opportunity that doesn't occur very often.

I wish you the best. Your postings say you have decided. Good for you.

Better to make a decision. Beats wondering ...if...; for the rest of your years.