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arnettjd10
11-08-2012, 17:12
Has anybody used this stuff before or heard anything good or bad about it? Im thinking about getting the 115 gr version for my larger handguns and getting the lighter 80 gr version for my Kahr PM9.

dkf
11-08-2012, 17:19
I would rather use the Corbon DPX ammo. And I would use the 115gr for both guns. The Barnes is a good performing bullet.

unit1069
11-08-2012, 19:47
I dabbled with boutique specialty ammo as probably most have but finally realized that for the same expense I could find reliable and effective premium JHP self-defense ammo at half the cost. I know nothing about the Barnes bullets but I understand they're excellent.

clarkstoncz
11-09-2012, 18:53
The DT 115 gr. TAC-XP uses the identical Barnes XPB solide copper bullet as DPX.

Even loaded a little hotter.

Shoots very well through my guns and has low recoil with amazing accuracy.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/DOUBLE%20%20TAP/dt-9mm-10.jpg
I carry the 115 in my alloy RAMI, and the 80 gr. in my polymer RAMI P.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/DOUBLE%20%20TAP/Double%20Tap%202011/BTB.jpg

The only real drawback to the Barnes XPB is price.

Easily the best bullet design on the market.

Unlike HST and other bonded bullets, there is no jacket to shed,
or any lead at all.

The DPX has also shown to be a dynamic stopper in more than a few shootings.


Rated very highly for stopping power and excellent tactical penetration
in most tests, and by real world experts.




http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/DOUBLE%20%20TAP/dt-xtac.jpg

PghJim
11-10-2012, 21:23
I would rather use the Corbon DPX ammo. And I would use the 115gr for both guns. The Barnes is a good performing bullet.

Do you have any evidence of the DPX performance in actual shootings? I have been looking for information and even Mas is only aware of one shooting that was the 40 S&W.

I carry the DT 45 ACP with the 160gr Barnes bullet in +p in my Kahr P45.

clarkstoncz
11-13-2012, 17:14
The stopping power.net fprum guys swear by DPX.

I've read in the past that the 9mm DPX has worked well
in actual shootings.

I do know of one dynamic stop with the 125 Sierra
.357 SIG load from Cor-Bon.

Those guys love CB and swear by DPX, as do some real world Experts ..
out there.

You are carrying the exact load that I'd use in a .45 ACP
these days.

uz2bUSMC
11-13-2012, 18:15
The DT 115 gr. TAC-XP uses the identical Barnes XPB solide copper bullet as DPX.

Even loaded a little hotter.

Shoots very well through my guns and has low recoil with amazing accuracy.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/DOUBLE%20%20TAP/dt-9mm-10.jpg
I carry the 115 in my alloy RAMI, and the 80 gr. in my polymer RAMI P.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/DOUBLE%20%20TAP/Double%20Tap%202011/BTB.jpg

The only real drawback to the Barnes XPB is price.

Easily the best bullet design on the market.

Unlike HST and other bonded bullets, there is no jacket to shed,
or any lead at all.

The DPX has also shown to be a dynamic stopper in more than a few shootings.


Rated very highly for stopping power and excellent tactical penetration
in most tests, and by real world experts.




http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/DOUBLE%20%20TAP/dt-xtac.jpg

Have you run them through a chrony?

uz2bUSMC
11-13-2012, 18:19
I dabbled with boutique specialty ammo as probably most have but finally realized that for the same expense I could find reliable and effective premium JHP self-defense ammo at half the cost. I know nothing about the Barnes bullets but I understand they're excellent.

Half the price as, say, Underwood? For 50?

chemcmndr
11-13-2012, 19:19
Have you run them through a chrony?

I ran a 10 shot string through a chronograph with a G17. (CorBon DPX 115gr load). Temp. was 91*F.

Avg. 1207 fps
E.S. 69 fps
Std. Dev. 19.57 fps.

unit1069
11-13-2012, 20:23
Half the price as, say, Underwood? For 50?

Underwood is the exception for hyper velocity boutique ammo from what I can tell. Their prices are still competitive with the large ammo companies the last I checked. I haven't tried Underwood because I have a good stash of self-defense ammo, but if I'm in the market for more and prices are still reasonable I'll go for it based upon what I know at this moment in time.

And from all I know about Underwood it seems that in 9mm I'd go for the 124-grain Gold Dot +P, which from Underwood's published stats is loaded about the same as Speer's comparable round.

There are quite a lot of positive testimonials for the Winchester 127-grain +P+ so I suppose the Underwood 124-grain +P+ would appeal to those same folks. Not a lot of added oomph for me to select that over the proven Speer +P and a few other rounds.

unit1069
11-13-2012, 20:28
I ran a 10 shot string through a chronograph with a G17. (CorBon DPX 115gr load). Temp. was 91*F.

Avg. 1207 fps
E.S. 69 fps
Std. Dev. 19.57 fps.

That's a pretty anemic round if your stats are any reliable indication of the light Cor-Bon round through a G-17. I thought Cor-Bon was supposed to be a "hot" round, given that the Speer 115-grain standard pressure Gold Dot reliably produces that same velocity, as confirmed by tnoutdoors through his G-19.

chemcmndr
11-13-2012, 21:37
That's a pretty anemic round if your stats are any reliable indication of the light Cor-Bon round through a G-17. I thought Cor-Bon was supposed to be a "hot" round, given that the Speer 115-grain standard pressure Gold Dot reliably produces that same velocity, as confirmed by tnoutdoors through his G-19.

Just taking a blind shot in the dark on this one, but it may have something to do with the fact that the Barnes 115 gr. copper bullet is much longer than your standard 115 gr. bullet, and as a result, the volume available for the powder is much less than a normal 115 gr. bullet. I've captured one of these rounds in a line of water jugs and it expanded to a decent size and had good penetration.

PghJim
11-13-2012, 22:36
The stopping power.net fprum guys swear by DPX.

I've read in the past that the 9mm DPX has worked well
in actual shootings.

I do know of one dynamic stop with the 125 Sierra
.357 SIG load from Cor-Bon.Those guys love CB and swear by DPX, as do some real world Experts ..
out there.

You are carrying the exact load that I'd use in a .45 ACP
these days.

Please tell more about the 125gr 357sig Sierra round shooting. I sometimes carry this bullet from DT at 1,500fps out of my 4.5" barrel.

SCmasterblaster
11-14-2012, 07:16
The Barnes is a promising load.

uz2bUSMC
11-14-2012, 13:58
I ran a 10 shot string through a chronograph with a G17. (CorBon DPX 115gr load). Temp. was 91*F.

Avg. 1207 fps
E.S. 69 fps
Std. Dev. 19.57 fps.

I was asking him about the DT ammo because I doubt you will see the advertised 1320 from them.

What was Corbon's advertised numbers for the 115grn?

SCmasterblaster
11-14-2012, 14:12
The original CorBon 9mm 115gr JHP would chrono out of my G17 at a reliable 1350 FPS.

clarkstoncz
11-15-2012, 21:33
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/index.php/13391/9-mm-doubletap-80-grain-tac-xp/

SCmasterblaster
11-16-2012, 11:24
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/index.php/13391/9-mm-doubletap-80-grain-tac-xp/

Good research work by the cartridge maker.

uz2bUSMC
11-16-2012, 13:49
The original CorBon 9mm 115gr JHP would chrono out of my G17 at a reliable 1350 FPS.

The DPX?

SCmasterblaster
11-16-2012, 14:39
The DPX?

No. The blunt-tipped Sierra bullet. :cool:

uz2bUSMC
11-16-2012, 14:54
No. The blunt-tipped Sierra bullet. :cool:

Gotcha.

SCmasterblaster
11-16-2012, 19:52
Gotcha.

One day I am going to get some of those Sierra bullets and reload them. But for now, I'll use the CorBon rounds.

Tiro Fijo
11-16-2012, 19:57
No. The blunt-tipped Sierra bullet. :cool:


Corbon hasn't used a Sierra bullet in their 9mm 115 gr. for years. They make their own proprietary bullet. They recently changed the design to give better penetration as well.

SCmasterblaster
11-16-2012, 20:06
Corbon hasn't used a Sierra bullet in their 9mm 115 gr. for years. They make their own proprietary bullet. They recently changed the design to give better penetration as well.

I didn't know this. It sure looks like a Sierra bullet!

clarkstoncz
11-21-2012, 14:15
I bought a few boxes of 125 gr. CB .357 SIG last year.

They look identical to the DT 125 gr. Sierras.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/DOUBLE%20TAP%20357%20SIG/DT-357-125.jpg
Whether or not CB has gone to a different design is unknown by me.

Although expensive, I still like my DT Barnes loads in all my current calibers that I use.

SCmasterblaster
11-21-2012, 15:53
I bought a few boxes of 125 gr. CB .357 SIG last year.

They look identical to the DT 125 gr. Sierras.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/DOUBLE%20TAP%20357%20SIG/DT-357-125.jpg
Whether or not CB has gone to a different design is unknown by me.

Although expensive, I still like my DT Barnes loads in all my current calibers that I use.

Your photo is very definitive - the Sierra 125gr JHP. Good velocity, also.

RYT 2BER
11-21-2012, 16:36
Although expensive, I still like my DT Barnes loads in all my current calibers that I use.

I think the problem isn't as much the cost as it is that their claimed velocities seem to be wildly overstated.

SCmasterblaster
11-25-2012, 18:05
The .357 Sig sure is a powerful cartridge!

clarkstoncz
11-27-2012, 20:25
Yes, I can agree with the velocity issue but have to say that not all companies making ammo are 100% correct with velocities.

Plus, I don't have to still be a cop to enjoy Enhanced Performance level ammo that some
still sell as LEO ONLY.

DT is faster than what I can buy from most places and with the exception of one single 9mm round (Gold Dot shedding jacket) has superb quality control and customer service in my experience.

Mike has also been crafting his ammo much longer than the smaller companies.
That others sell comparable ammo at lower costs, really doesn't affect the legion
of satisfied Double Tap Ammo fans and customers.

KEV
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/rami-1.jpg
Admitted Double Tap and High Noon cheerleader.

SCmasterblaster
11-29-2012, 12:15
Yes, I can agree with the velocity issue but have to say that not all companies making ammo are 100% correct with velocities.

Plus, I don't have to still be a cop to enjoy Enhanced Performance level ammo that some
still sell as LEO ONLY.

DT is faster than what I can buy from most places and with the exception of one single 9mm round (Gold Dot shedding jacket) has superb quality control and customer service in my experience.

Mike has also been crafting his ammo much longer than the smaller companies.
That others sell comparable ammo at lower costs, really doesn't affect the legion
of satisfied Double Tap Ammo fans and customers.

KEV
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb26/czrami/rami-1.jpg
Admitted Double Tap and High Noon cheerleader.

If I were an ammo manufacturer, and I provided velocity data to the buying public, I would clearly specify which gun and barrel length was used to get the velocity data. The buying public deserves fully-documented velocity data.

Little Joe
12-04-2012, 00:20
I ran a 10 shot string through a chronograph with a G17. (CorBon DPX 115gr load). Temp. was 91*F.

Avg. 1207 fps
E.S. 69 fps
Std. Dev. 19.57 fps.

TNOUTDOORS9 on youtube chronoed them at 1225 avg out of his G19.

Little Joe
12-04-2012, 00:29
What was Corbon's advertised numbers for the 115grn?

1250fps out of a 4" barrel. TNOUTDOORS9 on youtube got a 1225fps avg out of his 4" Glock 19.

chemcmndr
12-04-2012, 08:42
1250fps out of a 4" barrel. TNOUTDOORS9 on youtube got a 1225fps avg out of his 4" Glock 19.

The difference can probably be attributed to a combination of production lot of ammunition and environmental factors that day.

Little Joe
12-04-2012, 12:13
The difference can probably be attributed to a combination of production lot of ammunition and environmental factors that day.

Yep, most likely.

RYT 2BER
12-04-2012, 21:01
A)Yes, I can agree with the velocity issue but have to say that not all companies making ammo are 100% correct with velocities.

Plus, I don't have to still be a cop to enjoy Enhanced Performance level ammo that some
still sell as LEO ONLY.

DT is faster than what I can buy from most places and with the exception of one single 9mm round (Gold Dot shedding jacket) has superb quality control and customer service in my experience.

B)Mike has also been crafting his ammo much longer than the smaller companies.
C)That others sell comparable ammo at lower costs, really doesn't affect the legion
of satisfied Double Tap Ammo fans and customers.

.



Man, the above post is one giant epic fail.


A) great so you're saying some other manufacturers are full of crap so if double tap is full of crap it's ok. What fabulous thinking.

B) with all due respect the fact that he's been doing it longer only matters if he's doing it better which btw has basically been proven to be wanting in many cases (wrongfully advertised velocities, wrongfully advertised components, like bullets, etc). So in essence buyers have been basically LIED TO and you think that's just peachy keen... Wonderful .

C) MEGA wrong. My guess is that 98% of sales of people like Underwood, are directly taking away sales from doubletap. And for that matter as the word spreads, double tap will continue to shed sales until they get their act together. So even knowing all the facts, the lemmings keep lining up to pay top dollar cause their loyal to the company that's been bs'ing them for years... Wow..