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BlueEyeDevil
11-09-2012, 08:16
So I got my 1st AR-15. I got a few magazines, but I only have so many pockets in my pants.

Where is everyone putting their magazines? I see all types of kydex belt holsters, Chest rigs, belt set ups, it is all a bit overwhelming when you look at the price points on some of these.

I see the benifits of each of these styles, but I really don't want to buy one of each of these to find out which i like the most.

Help please....

MarkCO
11-09-2012, 08:59
If you want to shoot some tactical/3Gun type matches, you will be best served by the Kydex style. Safariland and Blade-Tech are probably the dominant ones used. If you just want a few on the belt for informal range sessions, the cloth pouches will be fine. If you want to play battle rattle, you got to get a vest.

There are some good range bags that have pouches for mags, as well as rifle cases with Molle pouches that might be suitable for just range days as well.

RatDrall
11-09-2012, 09:27
Blade Tech single magazine pouch, held on with a Teklok for fast on/off but super secure when worn.

As far as chest rigs, battle belts, etc. unless you are accompanied by highly trained friends, military tactics involving the expenditure of a dozen magazines in a firefight may not work so well.

Darkangel1846
11-09-2012, 10:07
The make these shoulder sling bags now that hold 6-12 mags, each pocket holds two mags(6 pockets) Just throw it over your shoulder when you go to the range.

BlueEyeDevil
11-09-2012, 11:23
Are there any brands to avoid because they will fall apart in less than a year?

I like the shoulder bag idea to hold them together. I don't see myself doing 3 gun anytime soon so I hope I will never have to "run" with my gun anytime soon.

RatDrall
11-09-2012, 12:59
Are there any brands to avoid because they will fall apart in less than a year?

I like the shoulder bag idea to hold them together. I don't see myself doing 3 gun anytime soon so I hope I will never have to "run" with my gun anytime soon.

There is a lot of cheap airsoft gear out there.

I've used magazine shoulder bags from Hawkepack, 5.11, and Maxpedition and can recommend any of the 3 makes.

LA_357SIG
11-09-2012, 13:46
I bought a US Peacekeeper Rapid Deployment bag. It holds 4 AR and 2 pistol magazines and a pistol (velcro straps to secure a holster inside a zippered compartment)... and a bottle of water. I have used it a few times and while the "made in China" tag has me concerned about quality, it has not shown signs of airsoft quality gear. It is quite comfortable with a full load and has a velcro belt loop to heep it from flopping around when you are on the move.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k252/chrisq_01/1283265740.jpg

MrMurphy
11-09-2012, 16:56
Check out Olangapo Outfitters.

He has a 'grab and go' sling-on bag made for cops and others for a lot of different rifles and shotguns. He's also a former Marine and it's quality gear for the purpose you're looking for.

FireForged
11-09-2012, 17:54
I dislike AR mags on a belt... I do like them on a vest or chest rig.

uplinker
11-09-2012, 18:12
I dislike AR mags on a belt... I do like them on a vest or chest rig.

I'm just the opposite. For my needs belt pouches are the ticket. I have two. BladeTech. Photo was taken a few years ago for color comparison.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/12fvss/DSC_0333.jpg

JBUS
11-09-2012, 18:15
For belt mounted I run Off the Grid Concepts for pmags.

Plate carrier for work: HSGI Tacos on PIG PC

Battle Belt for work: HSGI Tacos on HSGI battle belt.

Chest Rig: Esstac Bush Boar A1 or Original SOE micro rig.

It really all depends on what your specific needs are.

FireForged
11-09-2012, 19:04
for anyone that simply must have a belt pouch.. I know that bravo concealment has some very nice ones. If I were going to use one, it would probably be one of thiers.

Matthew Courtney
11-09-2012, 19:24
My next mag is in a butt pouch. The ammo cache is in a shoulder bag that rides in front of my left hip when I am standing. Here are a few:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/2-used-swedish-military-shoulder-bags-olive-drab-gray.aspx?a=884929

The above hold 4 30 rd AR mags

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/2-pk-of-used-british-canvas-shoulder-bags-olive-drab.aspx?a=956769

The above holds 4 ar mags each

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/5-used-french-military-shoulder-bags-olive-drab.aspx?a=545683
The above hold 5 30 rd Ar mags, 4 30 rd AK mags or 3 20 RD LR 308 mags each

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/repro-m1-ammo-carry-bag-tan.aspx?a=1009729

G21FAN
11-09-2012, 22:02
I prefer the ALICE suspenders setup.

TactiCool
11-09-2012, 22:31
My next mag is in a butt pouch. The ammo cache is in a shoulder bag that rides in front of my left hip when I am standing. Here are a few:

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/2-used-swedish-military-shoulder-bags-olive-drab-gray.aspx?a=884929

The above hold 4 30 rd AR mags

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/2-pk-of-used-british-canvas-shoulder-bags-olive-drab.aspx?a=956769

The above holds 4 ar mags each

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/5-used-french-military-shoulder-bags-olive-drab.aspx?a=545683
The above hold 5 30 rd Ar mags, 4 30 rd AK mags or 3 20 RD LR 308 mags each

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/repro-m1-ammo-carry-bag-tan.aspx?a=1009729

WWII was a long time ago. There are more effective solutions in the present day.

http://www.ctoms.ca/products/x-belt-qrps

http://www.skdtac.com/ITW-FASTMAG-p/itw.110.htm

http://www.skdtac.com/marz-tactical-gear-dump-pouch-p/mzt.116.htm

mjkeat
11-09-2012, 23:14
I prefer a padded belt. Much more comfortable and when the class breaks for lunch and I can drop my load w/ the tug of a strap. I've also started using a G-Code RTI holster. I can move the holster from padded belt to normal belt to a mount on the bed.

Just remember TACO, yummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! HSGI TACO pouches are great.

Matthew Courtney
11-10-2012, 05:22
WWII was a long time ago. There are more effective solutions in the present day.

http://www.ctoms.ca/products/x-belt-qrps

http://www.skdtac.com/ITW-FASTMAG-p/itw.110.htm

http://www.skdtac.com/marz-tactical-gear-dump-pouch-p/mzt.116.htm

Since the OP mentioned price, I suggested pouch options in the $3-$8 per shoulder bag range. While the suggestions you made appear to be quality gear, $310 to carry two magazines is 100 times what I have suggested. Top quality gear has its place, don't get me wrong. I usually suggest trying out durable, less expensive gear first, and then buying top end gear only after deciding which carry modes are most ergonomic for the shooting one is kitting up for.

TangoFoxtrot
11-10-2012, 06:31
WWII was a long time ago. There are more effective solutions in the present day.

http://www.ctoms.ca/products/x-belt-qrps

http://www.skdtac.com/ITW-FASTMAG-p/itw.110.htm

http://www.skdtac.com/marz-tactical-gear-dump-pouch-p/mzt.116.htm

Man that price for that belt is absolutely insane!!!!! I could buy a whole complete chest rig for that price.

RatDrall
11-10-2012, 09:53
Man that price for that belt is absolutely insane!!!!! I could buy a whole complete chest rig for that price.

Real gear is expensive.

Compromising with cheap crap is OK for things that don't matter, like 3 gunning or airsoft, but for real fighting stuff the extra money is well spent.

BlueEyeDevil
11-10-2012, 14:23
Thanks for all the responses, keep them coming.

I see the benifit in the kydex type holders for the belt. Will majority of them fit a normal belt as well as one of those larger "1st line" padded belts?

I like the look and layout of the Ten Speed chest rig, but I worry about living in Louisiana and how freaking hot it gets here, whether or not I would wear it.

http://www.blueforcegear.com/m4-chest-rig/
http://www.blueforcegear.com/product_images/attribute_rule_images/743_std.jpg

I might check out my local Army Surplus store for some bags that can tote the junk to the range bench. The old stuff has a cool look to it.

Matthew Courtney
11-10-2012, 16:05
Real gear is expensive.

Compromising with cheap crap is OK for things that don't matter, like 3 gunning or airsoft, but for real fighting stuff the extra money is well spent.

Money that one needs for other things may not be available to be well spent, no matter how great the gear. Practice ammo, training, optics, and slings all rate ahead of fancy mag pouches because 99.99% of the time, the issue will be resolved with the rounds in or on one's gun, or not at all.

Military surplus may be cheap, but calling it crap simply demonstrates that one is ill informed. If one can find a surplus product that is suitable, real gear becomes real affordable real quick.

If there were legal M4's being sold at the Army Navy store that had only been shot a few thousand times and had 20% of their finish remaining being sold for $900, the value of milsurp would be more clear. If you are willing to do some real digging, values can be found.

MarkCO
11-10-2012, 17:31
Real gear is expensive.

Compromising with cheap crap is OK for things that don't matter, like 3 gunning or airsoft, but for real fighting stuff the extra money is well spent.

Since you obviously don't shoot 3Gun, you probably have no idea that the average three gunner steps to the line with the best quality gear available.

People who do "REAL" fighting shoot 3 Gun BTW. Also, people who do real fighting don't buy their gear, it is provided by the LEA or DOD are other alphabet agency. :supergrin:

TangoFoxtrot
11-11-2012, 06:40
Real gear is expensive.

Compromising with cheap crap is OK for things that don't matter, like 3 gunning or airsoft, but for real fighting stuff the extra money is well spent.


Well if I were back in the sandbox perhaps, but those kind of prices for being a mall ninja is still insane. There are deals out there that don't carry fancy labels but still offer good quality.:upeyes:

mjkeat
11-11-2012, 10:42
I have a strict training/shooting budget and had to put in a lot of leg work when researching gear.

This is what I ended up with.
http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af98/mjkeat/2012-11-11_10-24-47_559.jpg

http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af98/mjkeat/2012-11-11_10-25-04_737.jpg

The entire set-up was fairly inexpensive.

Belt - $40
Inner Belt - $39
Tacos - $60
ESSTAC Dual Mag Pouches - $30
Holster - $90ish

Check out SKD Tactical, www.skdtac.com (http://www.skdtac.com) for great gear.

MarkCO
11-11-2012, 18:31
$60 worth of Tacos :supergrin: What's the shelf life on those?

mjkeat
11-11-2012, 18:35
$60 worth of Tacos :supergrin: What's the shelf life on those?

Shelf life doesn't matter. They're gone before the day is old. lol. Pass the green sauce, please.

fnfalman
11-11-2012, 21:05
Real gear is expensive.

Compromising with cheap crap is OK for things that don't matter, like 3 gunning or airsoft, but for real fighting stuff the extra money is well spent.

My cheap ass USGI issued ALICE gear lasted me eight years active duty and more than a few deployments.

But hey, you guys go on with your bad selves and $300 Gucci mag pouches.

mjkeat
11-11-2012, 21:42
My cheap ass USGI issued ALICE gear lasted me eight years active duty and more than a few deployments.

But hey, you guys go on with your bad selves and $300 Gucci mag pouches.

To help us understand just how durable that ALICE gear is please describe "more than a few" and the extent of your deployment.

fnfalman
11-11-2012, 22:46
To help us understand just how durable that ALICE gear is please describe "more than a few" and the extent of your deployment.

Oooh, you can't wait to take a dig at a fellow veteran, huh?

How about six months in the desert for Desert Shield/Desert Storm?

How about a month in the ice and mud of Graffenwehr (REFORGER).

How about a month in South Korea for Team Spirit?

JOTC in Panama. Sinai MOFO peacekeeping six months rotation. Arctic Warfare training in Alaska. More desert training at NTC. More desert training at Marine Corps 29 Palms AirGround Combat Center. Amphibious cross training with the Marines out of Camp Lejeunne.

I would count Operation Just Cause but it was barely a couple of weeks long.

BTW, do you youngbloods run around with $300 Gucci Gear belt? Is that what Uncle Sam issues you for use in combat?

mjkeat
11-11-2012, 23:31
Leave it to you to think such things.

I'm not much of a historian but aren't the majority of the events you listed training exercises? Not a big deal to me as I preferred deployment over training.

With the varying capacity of being "deployed" it is hard to understand just how much "deployed" counts as a qualifier. Or S-shops were basically deployed even though they never left their desks. They could claim their gear was like new after a deployment. They would be correct but it is misleading.

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fnfalman
11-11-2012, 23:45
Leave it to you to think such things.

I'm not much of a historian but aren't the majority of the events you listed training exercises? Not a big deal to me as I preferred deployment over training.

Excuse me. I apologize for our military back then was so badass that nobody dared to go to war with us.

With the varying capacity of being "deployed" it is hard to understand just how much "deployed" counts as a qualifier. Or S-shops were basically deployed even though they never left their desks. They could claim their gear was like new after a deployment. They would be correct but it is misleading.

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Okay, you're a bad mamajama with real fighting deployments...show me your deployment gears. Does it include $300 tactical belt?

fnfalman
11-11-2012, 23:48
And of course, you young GIs going in harm's ways in Afghanistan...you guys are outside the wire 24hrs/day x 7 days/week x 52 weeks/year right? Climbing up the mountains and scaling cliffs, crawling in caves non-stop, right? Your gears took more abuse than mine?

MrMurphy
11-11-2012, 23:54
My deployment gear was a full-up Eagle rig. If we'd paid for them, the full setup would have been around $300-400 per troop, knowing the individual line-item prices. The re-equip price for our squadron (400 troops) for that was around $1.5 million, that, new helmets and some other gear all purchased at once.

These days, individual unit commanders with an IMPAC card can order a lot of stuff. The Army issues the FLC as the basic load carrier (MOLLE replacement for the ALICE gear), but most combat arms units are using plate carriers or chest rigs if they're not using the IOTV, which i believe is the current issue armor and has mag carrying capability possibly built in.

The ALICE works, and it's cheap, but you'll never get mags out in a hurry from the old 3-mag pouches......those spawned the original MagPul (and the 550 cord equivalent) for a reason. I used them doing the ROTC thing, and also on active duty when they had to issue out the war reserves during exercises to arm the guys who got caught without their gear (off base/not at home) at times.

The per-troop cost for a deployed grunt in Afghanistan, for armor, plates, chest rig/plate carrier, helmet and assorted other bits is probably up into the $5,000+ range easily, even at gov't mass buy prices. That's NOT counting commo or weapon.

You'll still see some old ALICE gear in use, mostly among very rear area guys. I know our supply, intel, logistics, etc guys in the AF, if they had anything, had ALICE. Anyone deploying got whatever better was at hand.

2012 Afghan pics from online:
https://img.skitch.com/20120321-m4u6xri26abfbp582c9tcn6f75.jpg

Pretty common setup in any theater.

http://www.defense.gov/imgHandler.ashx?h=350&w=0&img=/dodcmsshare/photoessay/2012-04/hires_120330-A-8536E-867c.jpghttp://
Grenadier with the new M320, and probably an interpreter given the lack of weapon and helmet.

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/10/07/en_1007_dagata_480x360.jpg

This ANA troop has some old ALICE pouches for his M16A2.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-UVWGIXuveew/T8oNnWWgzoI/AAAAAAAAkok/yvVgUGlb9mY/s1600/photo%2B3.jpg

Two more troops, now in Multicam, with chest rigs or possibly plate carriers.

http://admatch-syndication.mochila.com/pimg/AgenceFrancePresse/AFPGlobalEdition/2012/06/14/photo_1339653082143_1_0.largeslideshow.jpg

Marines in Sangin.

Not everyone's on patrol or outside the wire all the time. But gear has certainly advanced from the state of the art in 1956 or so when ALICE first was a gleam in some dude's eye, to the 70s where it was standard issue.

Not surprisingly stuff sticks around. One of my bros went to Balad in 2007 with a canvas canteen cover marked 1956. He is currently in Bagram. Same canteen cover........

fnfalman
11-12-2012, 00:05
My deployment gear was a full-up Eagle rig. If we'd paid for them, the full setup would have been around $300-400 per troop, knowing the individual line-item prices. The re-equip price for our squadron (400 troops) for that was around $1.5 million, that, new helmets and some other gear all purchased at once.

Well, hell, I'm not surprised that the Air Force issues out $300 tactical belts. Don't you guys get cashmere sweaters and steaks & lobsters every night too?

These days, individual unit commanders with an IMPAC card can order a lot of stuff. The Army issues the FLC as the basic load carrier (MOLLE replacement for the ALICE gear), but most combat arms units are using plate carriers or chest rigs if they're not using the IOTV, which i believe is the current issue.


Granted that I am not "current", but somehow I think that company commanders or even battalion commanders would think twice before buying $300 tactical belts for their troops.

I could be wrong, of course, and I'd love to see Mjkeat's rig to see if it has any $300 tactical belt. After all, I'm sure that his rig was a "fighting" rig and my ALICE gear was just for the parade ground.

MrMurphy
11-12-2012, 00:12
We generally got screwed on gear, compared to the Army. The USAF would rather have golf courses than make sure their only ground troops had good gear. It took till 2007 before we started upgrading.

If you think the Army's got issues with throwing money around........look up the RFI program. The ENTIRE 101st Airborne for example, got issued a Surefire G2 per man. That $60 X a few thousand. And that's only ONE item on that list. Times 10 years of war, and who knows how many guys. I know commanders who either order and issue, or authorize, tons of personally owned gear. For E-4 and above, i.e guys with experience and some clue, spending $500 on your own load bearing gear is far from unheard of, and depending on unit commander and the unit, can range wildly from "all issued only" to whatever works.

It's not 1989 anymore. And most 'warbelts run about $60 bucks. Mag pouches, $30-40.
In 2006 some genius of a captain convinced our squadron commander to ditch our $100-per-vest Blackhawk Omega tactical vests ($100 X 450 vests) which we already had, and replace them with the $1.50-made-by-blind-guys LBV-88, which blew chunks.

He got a good OPR and we got screwed. After a bit, the word went out that as long as the colors matched woodland (ie, OD or woodland camo) personal gear was authorized. I had my own mag pouches, GP pouch, radio pouch and other stuff mounted to my armor within a day, and i didn't spend more than $150 doing it, for solid, quality gear (Tactical Tailor and TAG mostly), which got used for the next eight months till I deployed and we got similar quality Eagle stuff issued.

fnfalman
11-12-2012, 01:25
I just want to know which outfit and which fighting soldier uses this fancy $300 tactical belt/war belt/combat belt that Tacticool and Ratdrall talking about.

It's that simple. Show me some photos of fighting men wearing these Gucci gears.

I understand that in these protracted wars, GIs tend to get a bit more flexibility with gears than in my time (no difference from Vietnam vets wearing locally made tiger stripe fatigues), but I still like to know who buys these $300 belts and issues them to the troops.

We generally got screwed on gear, compared to the Army. The USAF would rather have golf courses than make sure their only ground troops had good gear. It took till 2007 before we started upgrading.

If you think the Army's got issues with throwing money around........look up the RFI program. The ENTIRE 101st Airborne for example, got issued a Surefire G2 per man. That $60 X a few thousand. And that's only ONE item on that list. Times 10 years of war, and who knows how many guys. I know commanders who either order and issue, or authorize, tons of personally owned gear. For E-4 and above, i.e guys with experience and some clue, spending $500 on your own load bearing gear is far from unheard of, and depending on unit commander and the unit, can range wildly from "all issued only" to whatever works.

It's not 1989 anymore. And most 'warbelts run about $60 bucks. Mag pouches, $30-40.
In 2006 some genius of a captain convinced our squadron commander to ditch our $100-per-vest Blackhawk Omega tactical vests ($100 X 450 vests) which we already had, and replace them with the $1.50-made-by-blind-guys LBV-88, which blew chunks.

He got a good OPR and we got screwed. After a bit, the word went out that as long as the colors matched woodland (ie, OD or woodland camo) personal gear was authorized. I had my own mag pouches, GP pouch, radio pouch and other stuff mounted to my armor within a day, and i didn't spend more than $150 doing it, for solid, quality gear (Tactical Tailor and TAG mostly), which got used for the next eight months till I deployed and we got similar quality Eagle stuff issued.

RatDrall
11-12-2012, 07:45
I just want to know which outfit and which fighting soldier uses this fancy $300 tactical belt/war belt/combat belt that Tacticool and Ratdrall talking about.


Why are you involving me in this? My post specifically advised against "cheap crap". I said nothing about soldiers, belts, or anything you mention in your post.

I certainly never advocated a $300 belt, only pointed out that modern, hard use gear is expensive. In fact, earlier in the thread I advised a single $30 magazine pouch.

Leave me out of this nonsense :whistling:

Here's the OP, narrowing his question in the third post:

I like the shoulder bag idea to hold them together. I don't see myself doing 3 gun anytime soon so I hope I will never have to "run" with my gun anytime soon.

He doesn't need a chest rig or war belt. In fact, he doesn't need anything, but what he wants is a way to keep a few magazines together.

He already answered his question perfectly, with a shoulder bag.

MrMurphy
11-12-2012, 08:49
The two guys in the Multicam pic are wearing around $600 of nylon each. Probably issued.


The warbelt, holster and extremely minimal gear in MJkeat's photo is less than $200, and for a lot of combat arms guys, consists of the bare minimum "walking around the FOB" setup, not including a chest rig or plate carrier.

I had a personally owned duty belt, holster, twin mag pouch and GP pouch for my M9 that cost me about $90 total. When I deployed I ended up using the twin mag pouch and the (by then issued) 6005 holster on a Wilderness 5-stitch as my bare minimum rig since we were rear area.

You're really getting your panties in a wad over nothing and showing your ignorance of current conditions. People these days are not willing to settle for crappy gear, and assuming they're motivated and trained, quite willing to buy their own stuff when necessary.

The gearmaker explosion first came about from the Gulf War (when Blackhawk, Eagle and others were founded) and Somalia, then with the current wars they just got even more diverse.

Matthew Courtney
11-12-2012, 08:50
Why are you involving me in this? My post specifically advised against "cheap crap". I said nothing about soldiers, belts, or anything you mention in your post.

I certainly never advocated a $300 belt, only pointed out that modern, hard use gear is expensive. In fact, earlier in the thread I advised a single $30 magazine pouch.

Leave me out of this nonsense :whistling:

Here's the OP, narrowing his question in the third post:



He doesn't need a chest rig or war belt. In fact, he doesn't need anything, but what he wants is a way to keep a few magazines together.

He already answered his question perfectly, with a shoulder bag.

Your reply to TangoFoxtrot that "real gear is expensive" was in response to his comment about the price on the $300 belt being "really insane" so you DID, in truth, advocate the $300 belt, even if you did not intend to. You can retract your advocacy, but denying that it happened is like an Obama enthusiast, it just isn't going to work!

Matthew Courtney
11-12-2012, 09:11
Thanks for all the responses, keep them coming.

I see the benifit in the kydex type holders for the belt. Will majority of them fit a normal belt as well as one of those larger "1st line" padded belts?

I like the look and layout of the Ten Speed chest rig, but I worry about living in Louisiana and how freaking hot it gets here, whether or not I would wear it.

http://www.blueforcegear.com/m4-chest-rig/
http://www.blueforcegear.com/product_images/attribute_rule_images/743_std.jpg

I might check out my local Army Surplus store for some bags that can tote the junk to the range bench. The old stuff has a cool look to it.

Our South Louisiana weather is part of the reason that I like a shoulder pouch more then a belt pouch. A shoulder pouch rides more loosely and does not prevent the area beneath it from breathing. In addition, a shoulder pouch can be repositioned quickly for different shooting positions, prone to rollover prone, etc.

Somebody mentioned the ease of dropping ones whole load by taking off their belt while taking a break. As convenient as that might be for 3 gun or carbine courses, it would not be a great habit in a post shtf environment. When one dives for cover, one only has what one dove with. Even if the belt is only 20 feet away, it is useless if it cannot be accessed from cover. That is another reason why I advocate one on the buttstock and a shoulder bag for the rest.

fnfalman
11-12-2012, 09:38
The two guys in the Multicam pic are wearing around $600 of nylon each. Probably issued.


The warbelt, holster and extremely minimal gear in MJkeat's photo is less than $200, and for a lot of combat arms guys, consists of the bare minimum "walking around the FOB" setup, not including a chest rig or plate carrier.

I had a personally owned duty belt, holster, twin mag pouch and GP pouch for my M9 that cost me about $90 total. When I deployed I ended up using the twin mag pouch and the (by then issued) 6005 holster on a Wilderness 5-stitch as my bare minimum rig since we were rear area.

You're really getting your panties in a wad over nothing and showing your ignorance of current conditions. People these days are not willing to settle for crappy gear, and assuming they're motivated and trained, quite willing to buy their own stuff when necessary.

The gearmaker explosion first came about from the Gulf War (when Blackhawk, Eagle and others were founded) and Somalia, then with the current wars they just got even more diverse.

So, nobody uses this $300 tactical belt that was posted by another poster?

I don't care about MOLLE vest, I don't care about Eagle Industries, I don't care about Tactical Tailor.

I just wanted to know about who uses this $300 Gucci Gear belt.

fnfalman
11-12-2012, 09:40
Why are you involving me in this? My post specifically advised against "cheap crap". I said nothing about soldiers, belts, or anything you mention in your post.
I think that Matthew Courtney had addressed your post quite well.

"Real gear" is expensive, indeed. 40-years of service for the ALICE gear across the five continents and seven seas. If that isn't "real gear" then I don't know what is. They may be obsolete but they served their purposes just fine.

John Biltz
11-12-2012, 09:47
So I got my 1st AR-15. I got a few magazines, but I only have so many pockets in my pants.

Where is everyone putting their magazines? I see all types of kydex belt holsters, Chest rigs, belt set ups, it is all a bit overwhelming when you look at the price points on some of these.

I see the benifits of each of these styles, but I really don't want to buy one of each of these to find out which i like the most.

Help please....
You want a bag you can lay beside your rifle and pick up with you rifle when you grab it. You want one of those even if you have full tactical rig as well because if you are investigating a noise your not going to take the the time to gear up nor are you going to want or need the weight of ten magazines. Your not in Afghanistan. You need a spare and probably want a couple spares even though you don't think you need it.

MadMonkey
11-12-2012, 09:48
I'm a big fan of HSGI Tacos on my war belt and chest rigs. I also have Safariland kydex for use on my regular belt.

fnfalman
11-12-2012, 09:51
You want a bag you can lay beside your rifle and pick up with you rifle when you grab it. You want one of those even if you have full tactical rig as well because if you are investigating a noise your not going to take the the time to gear up nor are you going to want or need the weight of ten magazines. Your not in Afghanistan. You need a spare and probably want a couple spares even though you don't think you need it.

Come on, man!!! You don't know if that noise could be a cat or it could be a bunch of jihadists invading the USA. You need to combat up: Plate carrier with ceramic hard plate FRONT AND REAR, Kevlar helmet (steel helmets when out with Dubya Dubya Deuce), titanium knuckle protector shooting gloves, elbow pads, knee pads, combat boots with steel toes (OSHA rated for safety). Don't forget your Gargoyle eye armor too. Oops, I mean Oakley eye armor. Gargoyles were tweny years out of date.

MrMurphy
11-12-2012, 09:53
Actually FALman, that rig MJkeat posted is pretty much what (in coyote) multiple Army friends of mine use as their first line aka "wearing nothing else' rig in Afghanistan, or a few years ago in Iraq. Sometimes different mag pouches, but the basic setup is no different.


As to the bag vs rig, for the initial poster, yes, a basic bag or the Olangapo type setup i recommended would do fine for you. If it comes down to needing a rifle in a hurry in the dark for most people if it's not on the gun right now, you ain't gonna have it.

I keep my chest rig set up and nearby on a shelf. Having thrown it on in the dark a few thousand times during rapid recalls or while switching weapons on duty, it's just as fast as a bag for me. Don't plan on using it these days, but if everything goes to hell, it's there.

And yes, FALMan, it's a TT MAV with a full load of Eagle pouches, a TAD GP pouch and a dump pouch from CSM. Total cost, around $250.....

fnfalman
11-12-2012, 14:59
And yes, FALMan, it's a TT MAV with a full load of Eagle pouches, a TAD GP pouch and a dump pouch from CSM. Total cost, around $250.....

It's a full rig that costs $250. Not a freakin' Gucci belt that costs $295.

mjkeat
11-12-2012, 15:09
fnfail, have you ever worn a padded belt like we are discussing?

MrMurphy
11-12-2012, 20:28
That, and the belt he showed AND listed a price for is under $100.

MOLLE section is about $40-50 and the inner belt, another $20-30.

The mag pouches and holster are independent, the holster alone is $100ish.

TactiCool
11-12-2012, 22:24
I just want to know which outfit and which fighting soldier uses this fancy $300 tactical belt/war belt/combat belt that Tacticool and Ratdrall talking about.

It's that simple. Show me some photos of fighting men wearing these Gucci gears.

I understand that in these protracted wars, GIs tend to get a bit more flexibility with gears than in my time (no difference from Vietnam vets wearing locally made tiger stripe fatigues), but I still like to know who buys these $300 belts and issues them to the troops.


To clarify, the CTOMS belt that I linked to is what one of my friends uses when he goes overseas for contracting work. Of course, he has a salary somewhere in the stratosphere, so he can pretty much afford any piece of gear that he wants.

Also, that belt is not just a 'battle belt' but also functions as a class II rappeling harness with a few add-ons. Show me another belt that does that.

No .mil unit that I know of issues that belt. Of course, SF uses gear in that price range and Crye precision and ops-core comes to mind.

John Biltz
11-13-2012, 01:58
Come on, man!!! You don't know if that noise could be a cat or it could be a bunch of jihadists invading the USA. You need to combat up: Plate carrier with ceramic hard plate FRONT AND REAR, Kevlar helmet (steel helmets when out with Dubya Dubya Deuce), titanium knuckle protector shooting gloves, elbow pads, knee pads, combat boots with steel toes (OSHA rated for safety). Don't forget your Gargoyle eye armor too. Oops, I mean Oakley eye armor. Gargoyles were tweny years out of date.
I'm not gearing up again unless its the inevitable zombie apocalypse. For everything else I'll use this. It cost $13.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/189814/midwayusa-4-magazine-pouch-ar-15-and-ak-47-rifle-nylon-olive-drab